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http://thegrio.com/2012/08/01/florida-man-shoots-neighbor-in-the-face-and-tells-police-i-only-shot-a-ni-r/Walter Henry Butler, 59, was arrested by Gulf County Sheriffs deputies after shooting Everett Gant, who is black. Gant was shot in the face after he confronted Butler about using racial slurs to address children living in the apartment complex where the two men reside.
Deputies said Butler admitted to shooting the victim, and even called 911 himself to report it, after which he reportedly went back to cooking his dinner. According to reports, officers on the scene said Butler seemed annoyed by the arrest and told officers, I only shot a nir.
Butler was charged with attempted murder and a hate crime. He is being held at the Gulf County Jail. Gant is said to be in stable condition and is expected to survive.
woodsprite
(11,923 posts)Unfortunately, as many jails as the US has, I don't think we have enough to hold all those nutjobs.
RC
(25,592 posts)And women convicted of defending themselves.
gollygee
(22,336 posts)They had to be pressed into even arresting him.
This is very sad.
sakabatou
(42,170 posts)gollygee
(22,336 posts)Some of us talk about rape culture a lot and talk about examples of it. This is an example of another really ugly part of our culture. It's a real part of our society and it's built into our culture and is part of how we as a society live our lives. Even those of us horrified by this are a part of this culture. We still live in it.
LadyHawkAZ
(6,199 posts)We view our fellow humans as competition rather than companions. All violence culture springs from that simple principle.
DeSwiss
(27,137 posts)Fantastic Anarchist
(7,309 posts)If you ever have a chance, read anarcho-communist Prince Peter Kropotkin's "Mutual Aid: A Factor of Evolution" ... he wrote this at the turn of the last century in response to the "social darwinism" of the day, and to build upon Darwin's observations. He studied inter and intra-species cooperation versus competition from finks to humans, and came to the conclusion that cooperation was more of a factor of evolution than competition was, and that those societies that stressed cooperation over competition, tended to breed more offspring that were selected for cooperation; and also that these societies tended to prosper over their competitive counterparts. It's a very interesting read.
Excerpt from Wiki:
(Emphasis mine)
You can see our DU discussion in the Socialist Progressive Group.
I don't think this is an element of society that gets enough attention. The United States, as it becomes more engaged in war throughout its history, has tended to discard the more cooperative nature of ourselves, and as such, with each generation, war becomes more and more normal. Whereas, let's say, Sweden, for example; they tend to be a cooperative society because that is what is stressed.
Anyway, I'm glad you said what you said, because it gave me an opportunity to provide the above.
LadyHawkAZ
(6,199 posts)Fantastic Anarchist
(7,309 posts)I should have also pointed out that Kropotkin's book is available for free online.
Mutual Aid: A Factor of Evolution
calimary
(81,441 posts)"Competition" is what surrounds us in all things. Look at the race for money. Look at the race for beauty contest crowns. Look at the race for that glitter-ball trophy on "Dancing with the Stars." Look at "American Idol." Look at the race for ratings - ANYWHERE. Look at the Oscars, Emmys, Grammys, etc. Hell, ANY awards show including the freakin' Westminster Dog Show. Look at Vegas and the gambling industry. Look at the fashion industry - "Project Runway" and Fashion Week etc., which filters down to "who got the first new (fill in the blank here) whether Neiman Marcus or Target. Look at any state or county fair and the hard-on to win for best hog or best blueberry pie. Shit - even Aunt Bee on "The Andy Griffith Show" was into it. Look at the weekly box office results. Look at Wall Street. Look at a disturbing explosion of competition shows on the Food Network. Forcryingoutloud, LOOK AT SPORTS!!!
I swear - sometimes I just frickin' HATE it. I'm tired of always having that "GOTTA compete! Gotta ground the other guy into powder and leave him eatin' my dust! Gotta be Number ONE! GOTTA WIN!!!" mentality. It's like a drug. One win is never enough. Fucking competition for grades, the best schools, the hottest cars, the hottest babes, the biggest house, the best neighborhood, the biggest stock portfolio, the biggest client list, the biggest sales figures, the biggest merger/acquisition, the biggest write-off, even all the way to the biggest fuckin' funeral and biggest mausoleum.
I realize it seems to be part of human nature. But it's SO FUCKING TIRESOME after awhile. And you never stay on top, no matter how long you compete or how many times you defend whatever title or gold star it is you won. It's so fleeting! It's so superficial! Today's winner is destined to be tomorrow's also-ran. Robert Downey Jr. said it best in what I think was either a Rolling Stone or Playboy interview, when he was asked to define "hot." His answer? "Destined to be cold."
And it just tires me out. I'm so fucking tired of it. Because you DO begin to view everyone else as an adversary. It begets this anti-social thinking that leads you to regard everybody else around you as not part of a community or a collective in which we band together and survive and thrive - all those other assholes are merely In Your Way. Even trash to be kicked aside while YOU forge ahead into the winner's circle. It even comes down to who gets to the light first, so they're first onto the freeway onramp, or first across the street before the damn bicycle rider and lady with the baby stroller. And forget the competition for parking spaces. So. Fucking. TIRESOME.
It reminds me of the time I took the kids to the neighborhood pumpkin patch before Halloween, one weekend. CRIMINY!!!!!!! There was this one woman who seemed hellbent on getting in front of me WHEREVER in the pumpkin patch we went, whether it was the line to get on the little pony ride or the line to buy the pumpkin. Everywhere we went, she popped up. "I was first." "I was here first." JEEEZ!!!
I just don't even play. I won't play the game. I refuse to give them the satisfaction. It won't be any fun to beat me because as soon as you suit up ready for battle, I'm gonna have something else much more interesting to go do. And you're gonna be sitting there, forced to get your jollies by competing with your own damn self. And hey, go knock yourself out.
It just does NOT foster any kind of sense of community or collegiality or working together - for ANYTHING. I just freakin' HATE IT.
nil desperandum
(654 posts)Agreed, when I consider competition and how we adore it I believe you are correct in that it is part of our nature. I believe it's no different for us than the lion who wants to lead the pride, or the buffalo who leads the herd. It always ends badly in the animal kingdom, and at some point with our larger brain pan I would like to believe that we will understand that while competition may indeed foster creativity and improvement for consumer products, cooperation with our neighbors improves our community.
Competition has been shown to be useful
up to a certain point and no further,
but cooperation, which is the thing
we must strive for today,
begins where competition leaves off.
― Franklin D. Roosevelt
calimary
(81,441 posts)Glad you're here! Yes, it's galling that competition is just part of life. I find it an increasingly problematic part of life. It's weary-making. Most of the time I just don't feel like competing anymore. I got out of broadcasting and retired awhile back, and I don't miss that part of it AT ALL. Even while we had a little radio group among the bunch of us in the local press corps that did believe in and practice cooperation.
I certainly saw cutthroat. LOTS of it. Was the victim of some of it, too. But our little radio group - people at ABC Radio, the BBC, what was then Mutual, what was then Westwood One, Premiere, some people from the local stations, a few syndicators, and myself at the A.P. - we pooled our resources. Nobody ever did without a mic cable or an extra set of batteries or spare cassette tape if we needed it. Someone among us would always share. We'd regularly save each other's asses that way. Somebody arrive late to the press conference? No matter. They could get a dub afterwards from one of us, or if they needed it immediately, one of us would always try to find the piece of tape and patch our machines together to feed it across to them. It was always so pleasant and not what you'd ordinarily expect. But we were all friends, and we all felt as though we were all in this together, even though we worked for competing operations. It made things a lot more pleasant than the alternative.
I've seen press conferences where some competitor yanked a competing network's mic cable out of the mixing board, equipment was found to be missing, or the record button was turned off. Or they'd hog one of the few phone lines (back before everybody had cells) set up to feed tape or talk to the studio and wouldn't let anybody else use them. Bookers from competing morning shows stealing guests before the guests could go on where they'd been booked. People who won't share or help out, for neither love nor money. People whispering in the boss's ear to turn that boss against the person with the job the rumor-spreader coveted. Stuff like that. Cutthroat. They usually wind up getting their comeuppance. But unfortunately, it too often comes long after you're not around to see it, much less enjoy it or watch it play out.
REP
(21,691 posts)I hope he makes a complete recovery to excellent health. Mr Gant has my best wishes.
The asshole can rot in hell.
backscatter712
(26,355 posts)And better yet, he can be the key witness for prosecuting that racist would-be-murderer.
If Florida brought back the electric chair, it should be for this racist bastard! RIDE THE LIGHTNING!
heaven05
(18,124 posts)they had gone to court, he would've got to walk.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)QC
(26,371 posts)His mother, who teaches in the local high school, makes some interesting remarks about Port St. Joe in that article:
When people read about this they might think this is the most awful community, Gloria Gant said. But it is not. This is the warmest, most generous community and we cant thank everyone enough for their support. We would not be getting through this without that support.
We have just been amazed with all the people who have reached out. We have been amazed by the number of people Everett has touched. I know my son and he is just a gentle boy. The family thanks the community for everything and hopes the community will keep Everett in their thoughts and prayers.
Chemisse
(30,816 posts)movonne
(9,623 posts)him out in a month for good behavior...
kelliekat44
(7,759 posts)Downtown Hound
(12,618 posts)I wonder how he's going to feel about spending his old age in the slammer. Hmmm...that thought actually makes me happy.
movonne
(9,623 posts)kind of stuff...
Squinch
(50,993 posts)in right wing media, who joined together to bring us all of the bullshit laws that allow people to give free reign to all their worst prejudices and most groundless fears.
AlbertCat
(17,505 posts)We don't need South bashing. Kinda like regional bigotry, isn't it?
Do you think AZ, ND, SD, WI, KS, OK, AK politicians are all just hunky-dory?
In this century, if you think the South is the problem, you are not paying attention.
just us
(105 posts)I live in NW Florida. The low income and poor here are as racist as they come and yet every thing they project on to the black race is their own short falls. I think they can't stand being the lowest on the pecking order.
To them "cracker" is as profane as "n...r", They don't know the origin and have made it their come-back to using the "n" word.
A "cracker" is anyone with the racist mentality. "Crack the Whip"
tblue
(16,350 posts)I thought it was the color of a saltine cracker. Not sure why I thought that. I never knew. Thanks for the info.
And WELCOME TO DU!!!
KamaAina
(78,249 posts)to talk a lot or tell a story.
Cirque du So-What
(25,970 posts)After all, how many slaves knew Gaelic?
RC
(25,592 posts)Words can have more than one origin. In fact the same word or word part can have totally different meaning depending on the language it came from. This is English, after all.
Bluenorthwest
(45,319 posts)early users it refers to their bragging and colorful language. The word goes back to the 1500's meaning 'rustic loudmouth', it's in Shakespeare and the works.
Cracker Cowboys in Florida and Georgia have a history, the word is more like 'Sooner' than it is a slur. It's a nickname.
1monster
(11,012 posts)a large cattle state, second only to Texas. The cattle drovers were referred to as "crackers" because of the sound the whip (a la Indiana Jones) makes when cracking over the cattle which was used to keep them moving in whatever direction.
"Cracker" in northeast Florida means the same thing that "cowboy" meant in Texas and other western states. In fact, Cracker Day is held every year in Elkton, Florida. It more of a rodeo than anything else:
http://www.floridashistoriccoast.com/listings/view/21614
(on edit: Anyone wanting a history of cattle droving in Florida might want to read Patrick Smith's A LAND REMEMBERED. It is an excellent novel that is used by many Florida teachers to illustrate Old Florida.)
In other states, the term cracker may have referred to slave overseers.
Historic NY
(37,452 posts)When people get together its said they're be having a crack tonight, typical associated with loud boisterous pub activity.
DeSwiss
(27,137 posts)Ian_rd
(2,124 posts)A corn-cracker is someone who makes moonshine out of corn. "Cracking corn" is slang for making the moonshine. It's a term that was meant to apply to poor rural whites. Well-off whites would use it to deride poor whites.
Remember that old song: Jimmy crack corn and I don't care ...
PotatoChip
(3,186 posts)Correct me if I am wrong, but it certainly sounds that way, based on this:
The low income and poor here are as racist as they come and yet every thing they project on to the black race is their own short falls
I don't see a lot of racism in my area, since there is just not a lot of racial diversity here. But classicism is quite common, and pretty ugly in and of itself...
jtuck004
(15,882 posts)Maybe it's the racism that leads to "not a lot of racial diversity. So maybe if one is immersed in it, it's harder to see.
PotatoChip
(3,186 posts)Some of the cities in this state have, in the past 20 years or so, taken in a lot of Somalian, among other refugees. And the cities of Portland and Bangor are slowly becoming more diverse. People there have been welcoming AFAIK.
But I don't live in either of those places, so the subject of race rarely comes up. The bigotry I commonly hear is of a classicist variety... Which brings me back to the Q I asked of the other poster.
Alameda
(1,895 posts)between someone from Somalia and a American black slave descendant. Those from Africa have in their memory cultural knowledge and pride. Those who came from a US slave background were robbed of that. Read 20 years a Slave by Solomon Northrup, it will give you a graphic picture of the dehumanization process they went through.
http://docsouth.unc.edu/fpn/northup/northup.html
PotatoChip
(3,186 posts)an education in the "graphic picture" of which you speak:
... I asked a question of someone who appears to claim that racism is just another ignorant manifestation of poor people. I beg to differ. Racism may be more obvious and/or more poorly hidden among the impoverished classes of our collective American society, however, I truly believe that unfortunately, racial bigotry pervades all economic classes.
What makes you (and apparently others) assume that I don't see the disgusting truth of racism in America by asking this question of that poster?
Is it because I mentioned the fact that I don't see it overtly happening here where I live?... Because if that is the case, let me just take this opportunity to say that these (collective) assumption(s) are wrong...
If there was more racial diversity here (which I would welcome btw), I'm 100% sure that I'd see racial bigotry in action among the local populace, just as seems to be the case everywhere else. Possibly even among people I would not have dreamed held those views.
But the original point of my question to the poster seems to be lost in all of this... Why does he or she think that only poor people are the only ones to hold these racist views? I'd love an answer. Unfortunately, it does not appear that I will get one.
Alameda
(1,895 posts)the dehumanization process of US slavery. It was unique, and the fall out is still falling. In regards to your mentioning of class, the dehumanization of black Africans was a process of stripping them of any class. IF you would take the time to read the link I posted, you would see how "upper class" black folks were stripped of any pretense of class by the enslavement process.
Of course, class prejudice is a serious matter. No money means you can't go to the dentist, so your teeth look funky, you can't go to get a snazzy haircut, you can't get a good education, your time is filled with survival tactics for you don't have a lot of time to polish your thoughts, and it goes on and on.
A look at the likes of the Jerry Spinger show gives us a look into "class". However, it has been easier for White people to escape their designated class, but all but impossible for the descendants of African slaves.
noiretextatique
(27,275 posts)since we've been here longer than many other groups. i have relatives who came here as free people from madagascar.
bobalew
(322 posts)Racism is a Subset of class-ism, they are NOT separate issues. Class-ism stems from the belief that one is better than others because of 1: Economic position
2: Superior upbringing & culture
3: Superior education
And 4: (This is the Racism Category) Superior Genetics
All of which is false Bulls**t, because one cannot exist on one's own merits, and MUST make OTHERS look inferior to make oneself Superior.
It's amazing just how many subscribe to this philosophy, and how many have tried to separate out the two constructs.
They are essentially the SAME.
PotatoChip
(3,186 posts)I bet that very often all 4 of the above examples you gave work in tandem with each other.
While I'm sure that most of the time, racism and classism go hand-in-hand, it's entirely possible for a person to be classist w/out being racist or vice versa....
In the case of classism-only, take for example a very remote area, w/an entirely homogeneous population... Who are the bigoted people among them going to pick on in their need to feel superior? In this case, I don't see how #4 could possibly apply, while #'s 1, 2, and 3 certainly could.
HiPointDem
(20,729 posts)institution to enforce such distinctions economicially, politically, legally & via policing.
HiPointDem
(20,729 posts)tblue
(16,350 posts)I hope he's there for the rest of his natural life.
Link Speed
(650 posts)The "rest" of his natural life can probably be measured in weeks.
Tommy_Carcetti
(43,191 posts)Not even close to being just a Florida problem.
Baitball Blogger
(46,757 posts)Let's see them weasel out of that one.
BainsBane
(53,056 posts)That's why certain elements so anxiously awaited a Zimmerman acquittal.
And it's not just in Florida.
dusty trails
(174 posts)Rush and Fox News will say this is case of Obama injustice!
HillWilliam
(3,310 posts)"...only shot..."??? What other poison lurks in Butler's soul (if he has one)?
Pardon me while I go puke.
I hope they throw the key away.
My prayers for Mr Gant and his family.
CakeGrrl
(10,611 posts)Why do people keep shoving this race stuff in everyone's faces?
Flatulo
(5,005 posts)Hopper plays a southern bigot who guns down an entire black family while trying to collect a few dollars in rent.
When the police come to arrest him, he asks, genuinely puzzled, "Is there some kind of fine I gotta pay?"
Common Sense Party
(14,139 posts)KamaAina
(78,249 posts)Fairly or not, that's where the spotlight is right now as far as race issues go.
It turns out that this story is actually a couple of years old.
Common Sense Party
(14,139 posts)Egalitarian Thug
(12,448 posts)Common Sense Party
(14,139 posts)noiretextatique
(27,275 posts)pretty much.
southernyankeebelle
(11,304 posts)A Simple Game
(9,214 posts)southernyankeebelle
(11,304 posts)Gus Lammas
(61 posts)Flaccid at that!
indepat
(20,899 posts)wannabees? The assailant seemingly reacted as if to query "whats the big deal?"
mindwalker_i
(4,407 posts)Dick Cheney?
ZombieHorde
(29,047 posts)How can a person in a modern-day, first-world country think shooting someone in face is cool because their skin color is different than their own?
Faygo Kid
(21,478 posts)That makes it all OK to Blimpy.
Hugabear
(10,340 posts)'Why should we arrest him? He only shot a n-----r teenager'
Alameda
(1,895 posts)I did a brief Google search and didn't see any trial date, and this was quite a while ago. ???
hfojvt
(37,573 posts)Hopefully he has spent the last year in jail.
rl6214
(8,142 posts)And I say this having never lived in Florida or having any ties to that state.
WCLinolVir
(951 posts)Not that it isn't heinous, but without dates it seems like it just happened.
You are correct. Mr. Gant died later from his injuries.
Fantastic Anarchist
(7,309 posts)As a white guy, this makes me sick. I can't fathom this kind of mentality.
Fucking burn him at the stake.*
*I'm not really advocating that, but I'm just furious about hearing these stories. Elsewhere, there are people of all different walks of life trying to get along, and come together for a common purpose, and these fucking fucks ruin it for the rest of us. I'm sorry to say, but there is no place like these pricks in my world, on my earth. Hope they all die out soon so we can commence to working together to solve the problems we all face, regardless of background.
Caeser67
(156 posts)oneshooter
(8,614 posts)Do not pass "go", do not collect $200. Just sit and rot.
Edit to add: This is a reference to the game of Monopoly. If you landed on a "jail" space you when there and did not cross the "get $200" square. Added because I am old and many have never played the game.
krispos42
(49,445 posts)"Now I can have a GOOD look at you; and, laws-a-me, I've been hungry for it a many and a many a time, all these long years, and it's come at last! We been expecting you a couple of days and more. What kep' you?--boat get aground?"
"Yes'm--she--"
"Don't say yes'm--say Aunt Sally. Where'd she get aground?"
I didn't rightly know what to say, because I didn't know whether the boat would be coming up the river or down. But I go a good deal on instinct; and my instinct said she would be coming up--from down towards Orleans. That didn't help me much, though; for I didn't know the names of bars down that way. I see I'd got to invent a bar, or forget the name of the one we got aground on--or--Now I struck an idea, and fetched it out:
"It warn't the grounding--that didn't keep us back but a little. We blowed out a cylinder-head."
"Good gracious! anybody hurt?"
"No'm. Killed a nigger."
Yay progress.
Rebellious Republican
(5,029 posts)This article is old news and only came to the surface as a result of the Zimmerman case in Florida, otherwise it would have gone unnoticed. How about some recent articles and some little unnoticed facts, kinda like the one above?
Florida does not rank as the highest state with the most hate groups and hate crimes.
Florida comes in with 59 hate groups
California- 82
Texas- 62
New Jersey- 51
Pennsylvania- 35
Ohio- 36
http://www.splcenter.org/get-informed/hate-map
http://www.wired.co.uk/news/archive/2013-05/14/hate-map/viewgallery/304101
Well you guys get the picture I am sure. How about some more up to date news articles involving hate and racism.
Davis, CA
A gay man was allegedly beaten on the street by a man who yelled anti- gay slurs. Clayton Daniel Garzón, 19, was charged with battery with serious bodily injury, assault with means of force likely to produce great bodily injury and threats to commit a crime resulting in great bodily injury.
Type: Assault
Reported: 03/20/2013
Oakwood, OH
Swastikas and the words `Go away Jew` were painted on a Jewish family's residence in the second incident in three weeks.
Type: Vandalism
Reported: 03/08/2013
Green Bay, WI
A convenience store owned by a Sikh American was set afire on the seven-month anniversary of a deadly shooting at a Sikh temple in Oak Creek. James Parrish, 53, faces charges of arson with a hate crime modification, first-degree recklessly endangering safety and carrying a concealed weapon.
Type: Arson
Reported: 03/05/2013
Hillsboro, OR
A man walking with his boyfriend and their pink poodle was allegedly attacked by a man who yelled anti-gay comments. George Allen Mason Jr., 22, was arrested for investigation of second-degree intimidation, second-degree assault, unlawful use of a weapon and reckless driving.
Type: Assault
Reported: 03/02/2013
Maple Shade, NJ
The letters `KKK` were written in chalk on a black family's residence.
Type: Vandalism
Reported: 02/27/2013
Eric "The Butcher" Fairburn
Intelligence Files » Profiles
Eric The Butcher Fairburn was among the founders of the Vinlanders Social Club, a racist skinhead group formed in 2003. He was a particularly violent participant in the skinhead movement until after a stint in prison for beating a homeless black man in Indianapolis he walked into a police station and confessed to a 2004 murder. He is now serving life in prison.
Prison Break
Intelligence Report » Summer 2013
The execution-style murder of the Colorado prisons chief was almost certainly the work of a white supremacist prison gang member. Was he operating on orders?
http://www.splcenter.org/get-informed/hate-map
http://www.wired.co.uk/news/archive/2013-05/14/hate-map/viewgallery/304101
Deep13
(39,154 posts)Rebellious Republican
(5,029 posts)And look at the follow up stories where he died.
Deep13
(39,154 posts)otherwise, i'm not sure what your point is.
oneshooter
(8,614 posts)Dagny_K
(39 posts)I'm from Daytona Beach, Florida, a short drive from Sanford. My father's family goes back about as many generations as a Central Florida family can. I've been proud to be a graduate of the University of Florida.
But good god my home state disgusts me anymore! I haven't lived there since 1983. People have always said to me it must be cool to have grown up in a famous beach town with a famous racetrack but now if I admit where I am from I would expect they would say that Florida is where you can get away with murder, oh and isn't Daytona near where the Casey Anthony and the George Zimmerman trials were? Why yes it is.
I've lived in Chicago for the past 23 years. Our President was my Senator. Last year I didn't see a single Romney bumper sticker anywhere in my neighborhood. My voting precinct had five Democrat poll workers and one very bored Republican. People think blood runs in the streets here and that I'm risking my life going anywhere without a gun. Chicago deals with specific neighborhoods plagued by extreme crime rates---and severe poverty. But I've been told, by people who don't live here of course, that Chicago's homicide problem is because the city won't let "honest people" have guns.
My neighborhood in Chicago might as well be another planet from Auburn Gresham or Englewood. I feel more concerned when I visit my parents in Daytona as I do not know how many people around me at any given time are making use of their conceal carry permits. Given the paranoia level you need to think it's necessary to be armed at all times, I never know what could set somebody like that off.