More and more, I'm seeing Huma Abedin as an abused wife

[cali]

It's sad that this accomplished woman is taking this kind of humiliation and degradation.

I honestly believe that men who treat women like Weiner does, have contempt for women.

And comparing your wife's genitalia unfavorably to your sexting "friend"? Hateful.

This is an insightful post and although the link is to the Daily Mail, there are screen shots.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1014&pid=546626

[VanillaRhapsody]

1. As a formerly abused wife....I find your assessment insulting...

This is like everyone calling things "rape" that are NOTHING like rape. This "diagnosis" is akin to the diagnosis of Terri Schiavo by video done by some Republican Dr....I forget which...

[cali]

7. As a former abused wife myself, tough.

I got it six ways from sunday, so I know where of I speak. I was hurt physically and emotionally, but the most painful was the emotional abuse.

[VanillaRhapsody]

16. You think I don't know that....

I was abused for 36 yrs...mentally, physically and sexually. How dare YOU diagnose this woman without knowing more about her. This is ridiculous. Any doctor would tell you this is not useful nor is there enough evidence to back it up. She is an educated woman with a career of her own. I find it rather insulting that you would think so little of her that she cannot possibly know what's best for her family. Because she is a female you automatically assume she is being abused? Come on...many many many people have sexual addictions including to porn and sexting....doesn't make them necessarily abusers.

[cali]

26. too bad, dear. First of all, I didn't diagnose her. I said that to me

she seemed like an abused woman. He humiliated and degraded her publicly- repeatedly. she's standing by his side. And no, it's not that she's female that she's looking like an abused spouse to me; it's that she's taking being publicly humiliated and degraded.


Is it possible she's not in an abusive relationship? Sure. I gave my opinion. And yes, dear, I dare. Don't like it? Oh well.

[VanillaRhapsody]

122. But this is ALWAYS assumed if a woman decides to stay with her man..

We don't know WHAT their marriage was about or WHAT their rules are. Perhaps she looked the other way if it was just sexting? Perhaps she does it herself...We don't know do we? If they want an open or even semi open relationship...how is that our business? We just don't know enough.

Dolly Parton said in The Best Little Whorehouse in Texas "Do you think the cow always minds when the bull goes over to another pasture"? I have known some women in my lifetime that really just didn't care about sex...and didn't care what he did about it within reason. Are they necessarily abused women?

[cali]

134. actually, we have a fairly good idea of what their "rules" are from his apology. duh.

Unless they're both lying to us.

wow. love your library of quotes: first Chris Rock and now Dolly Parton from a musical. Impressive.

[VanillaRhapsody]

137. Sometimes truth comes from surprising places huh?

[Drunken Irishman]

119. It's not a contest.

[Bonx]

133. Ha. It's almost always a contest. -nt

[Puzzledtraveller]

186. funny isn't it

I thought mostly men were that way.

[LanternWaste]

163. It's only a fallacy when Frist did it.

It's only a fallacy when Frist did it. Otherwise, our resident pretend-doctors may make implications about anyone's emotional or physical state without any real evidence other than supposition.

(And yes, I do agree with you that long-distance supposition predicated on abuse not merely illustrate the speaker as irrational, but also-- and more importantly, trivializes the all too many actual cases of abuse).

[VanillaRhapsody]

168. Thank YOU! Finally someone says it far better than I can.

[TreasonousBastard]

208. You'll find out that there is a large contingent here that truly believes it can judge...

pretty much anyone and read their motives from afar. It makes no difference that they don't know the players or all the details.

It's not just DU, of course, it's anywhere anonymity lends itself to snap judgments and digging in when confronted.

My personal, and quite cynical, view is that many couples have problems they manage to work out, and in this case working it out could lead to the Mayor's mansion, giving her every incentive to play the good wife.

We're not talking about the couples on Jerry Springer here-- these are sophisticated people with lives in the balance and are calculating the odds. At least she is.

But, that's just my initial guess and I'm not going to argue it into the ground.

[Just Saying]

182. You survived both!

Good for you for getting away from that with your life and your soul.

[Little Star]

200. Thanks! It wasn't easy with four little children and not a pot to piss in.....

But I met and married my second husband who was my wonderful husband of 30 years and the only father my kids ever acknowledge.
We loved him and he loved us.

[VanillaRhapsody]

202. Yes and as a survivor my self....I find this conversation about Huma's supposed abuse

to be distasteful and creepy.

[Little Star]

203. What you think people shouldn't be able to see that she is emotionally abused by his...

proud and public abuse? HAGN.

[VanillaRhapsody]

204. You have a picture of Hillary as your avatar and you make that statement?

hmmmmm funny!

[HappyMe]

20. ...

[gollygee]

35. Calling things rape that are nothing like rape?

What are you talking about?

[Aerows]

142. Agreed

What the fuck is that comment all about? Unwanted sexual advances and invasions are rape, end of fucking story.

[VanillaRhapsody]

146. Who got unwanted sexual advances?

I have had numerous unwanted sexual advances...no they weren't the same as rape...

[Aerows]

147. If you were forced to perform sexual favors

against your will, honey, that's rape.

[VanillaRhapsody]

150. Who did THAT happen to in this case?

Unwanted sexual advances is not the same as "forced to perform sexual favors" by the way.

[Aerows]

155. You know what?

I've explained myself, and I'm not opening this can of worms with you. I'm just not.

Feel free to have your opinion, and I'll have mine. Your comments took me aback, and I said so, but this is the end of this discussion I'm having with you, minus my other reply.

[VanillaRhapsody]

158. NO actually you didn't

I said Rape is Rape...there is nothing "like rape" or Rapish for that matter.....what are you going on about?

[godai]

126. But, this is not about you. n/t

[VanillaRhapsody]

139. No in fact it is not

but making the conclusion that THIS particular woman MUST be abused...is quite a jump!

[Aerows]

145. Rape is being sexually taken against your will

there is no "nothing like rape" if you don't want it, even if you somehow manage to be aroused by it (a physical reaction) or to orgasm from it (also a physical reaction).

Jesus Christ. I thought there were more people in this world that were aware of the fact that you can say "no" and still have an involuntary bodily reaction while desperately wanting it to stop.

[VanillaRhapsody]

148. Who got raped?

[Aerows]

152. Again, sexually taken

when you do not wish to have sexual relations. That's called rape. When it also includes threats of violence or harming you or your children, it's rape. When you are coerced into sex with threats of any kind and you don't wish to have it, that's rape.

[VanillaRhapsody]

154. WHO got sexually taken?

WTF are you talking about?

[Whisp]

2. I kinda agree with you.

just now they are talking like she was some heroine, how she was so strong... blah blah.

no, she was humiliated by her husband and there is no other answer. Painting her as some kind of heroine because she forgives her dickish husband is not good for women, at all. Some moron even said that women are supposed to be nice and forgiving and look after thier bad boys... some such nonsense on CNN about a half hour ago.

This whole thing stinks. I like Huma a lot less now than when I didn't know her.

[VanillaRhapsody]

22. Making broad brush statements for women's choices ALSO does them no good.

[VanillaRhapsody]

153. Wow....that's kinda harsh...sheesh....she didn't do what you expected..so she is "less" in your eyes

now...Wow...just WOW

[Whisp]

159. after today I will most likely forget about Huma and her idiot husband.

so don't fret. they are very forgettable.

[VanillaRhapsody]

161. to those that are disgusted by sexual matters I would guess so...

[MineralMan]

3. More and more, I'm seeing this as a private thing, except

that Weiner is running for office. Beyond that, it doesn't seem worth discussing. Weiner lost my respect when he lied about his nonsense the first time, only to finally admit it.

Does Weiner have contempt for his wife? I don't know, but he certainly has shown contempt for the truth in the past. I no longer trust him in any way. The voters of New York will have to make the decision, I guess.

[arely staircase]

24. I frankly still can't get past the fact this is happening to a guy named Weiner.

All the other more serious stuff like trust and privacy and respect in relationships etc, just gets left behind every time I think "and his name is Weiner."

I'm not particularly proud of that, but I will admit it.

[MineralMan]

29. Yeah, that's seems to be getting everyone.

Not me, because I know how to spell wiener, I guess.

The man, Weiner, has disappointed me before, and I hope he withdraws from the race and fades into obscurity. He deserves obscurity.

[polichick]

4. I just hope she wakes up and gets the hell away from the creep.

[Liberal_in_LA]

6. she looked so sad yesterday

[polichick]

8. I thought so too.

[MoonRiver]

21. Same here. And I saw some anger too.

Also, looking at her body language, she was pulling away from him as he spewed his mea culpa platitudes. She shook her head a few times when he spoke, subconsciously indicating she wasn't buying it. I have a hunch when this election is over she'll leave him. JMHO.

[anneboleyn]

74. Exactly. She also had a sadness in her eyes that many women will recognize

I don't think anyone is trying to claim that Weiner is a physical abuser -- but severe emotional abuse, which I think includes his callous, reckless, persistent treatment of his wife as worthless shit while courting STRANGERS online and promising political jobs to them if they can do special things for his junk, is damn abusive and seriously emotionally damaging in its own right.

[alarimer]

189. I think she should leave him now and let him lose.

But that's what I would do.

[arely staircase]

36. when she unfolded her little handwritten note and started reading it

it was like the essence of sadness. a sort of sadness concentrate. you would dilute that 1 part to a hundred to get actual sadness.

now I also remind myself that for all I know she is so tough Hillary Clinton had her kill Quadafy with her bare hands while seven months pregnant. She is a big time pol so maybe it is all an act who knows. but I did feel genuinely bad for her yesterday.

[Liberal_in_LA]

191. she married badly and she knows it.

[MoonRiver]

192. yes

[cali]

11. me too.

[Puzzledtraveller]

187. ditto

[Whisp]

5. ''And comparing your wife's genitalia unfavorably to your sexting "friend"? Hateful. ''

ow, Did he actually do that?
wait, I don't want to know.

yes, I do.

[cali]

9. yes. he did.

[arely staircase]

41. wow

just wow.

[DCBob]

129. what an ass.

it just gets uglier and uglier.

[BainsBane]

12. Now I'm sick

[geek tragedy]

15. Here's the language (get a barf bag ready)

'Omg. I didn't think I could get any harder. That is a perfect p***y. I'm not used to such a perfect p***y. Baby you're beautiful.'

Yeah, this is totally a case of "What's she doing with him?"

[VanillaRhapsody]

17. THAT is what you are talking about???

That is the kind of thing men always say as pillow talk because they project....its what they want to hear about THEIR genitalia and they project that woman want to hear that too

come on....be serious

[polichick]

23. "Oh Anthony, you're such a perfect dick."

[VanillaRhapsody]

25. Makes better sense than this "diagnosis" of abuse....

[Trajan]

42. You keep digging a hole with this diagnosis crap ..

It wasn't a diagnosis but an opinion ....
It wasn't a diagnosis but an opinion ....
It wasn't a diagnosis but an opinion ....
It wasn't a diagnosis but an opinion ....

there ... is this getting through yet?

[VanillaRhapsody]

47. Abuse is a Medical condition

someone abused needs medical treatment....either physically or mentally. YOUR opinion IS a diagnosis in this case....would you also give your "opinion" about cancer or a broken arm this way?

[gollygee]

55. You've just become a parody of something

No, being abused is not akin to having a broken arm. And if someone saw something that looked like a broken arm, they might very well say, "Oh wow, that arm looks broken to me."

[VanillaRhapsody]

59. But THAT is not what you said....is it?

[gollygee]

61. That's basically what she said

It wasn't me, but she said, "I'm seeing her as an abused wife" and not "she is an abused wife."

[LanternWaste]

169. Much as Frist merely allowed his opinion about Mrs,. Schiavo rather than giving a medical diagnosis?

Much as Frist merely allowed his opinion about Mrs,. Schiavo rather than giving a medical diagnosis?

[gollygee]

170. When Cali wins a public office and wants to pass a law regarding her opinion, call me. n/t

[cali]

178. uh no.

abuse is not pvs or cancer. it has nothing to do with a diagnosis. humiliation and degradation can very much be part of an abusive relationship.

[cali]

64. really? you're going to compare a layperson diagnosing cancer

to someone saying they think that a person might be abused. Pathetic and wrong.

keep digging, nilla.

[VanillaRhapsody]

67. That is NOT what was said is it...cali?

[cali]

132. why, yes. yes, it is.

[geek tragedy]

28. Let's flip it around and ask "what if the husband read it"

Wife to long distance paramour:


"oh baby, that is one big, hard c@ck. I'm not used to such a big, hard c@ck."

[VanillaRhapsody]

30. and?

So what are you trying to say? You think men wouldn't want to hear that?

[geek tragedy]

45. Not if they're the husband being cuckolded.

If I ever found a text like that from my wife to another man, it would be instant divorce, no potential of trying to save the marriage. Not even on the table.

Fortunately, I made a much better choice than Huma Abedin did.

[cali]

31. wow. maybe spending 35 years in an abusive marriage skewed your perspective

and no, pillow talk is NOT THE SAME THING as sexting.

[polichick]

19. Wonder if Huma read this before standing with him yesterday.

[JVS]

48. I don't consider that such a big deal. It's only implicitly insulting, and it might be...

comparing the complimented p***y to any number of p***ies that he has seen. I'd guess that this man looks at several p***ies each day before lunch.

[geek tragedy]

51. Implicitly insulting his wife's genitalia makes him an irredeemable pig nt

[JVS]

65. Yeah, I'm sure that's the kicker. Making a statement that leaves open the possibility..

of interpreting it as saying that her holiest of holies is not the most wondrous of all holiest of holies that he has gazed upon is the real deal-breaker in this relationship. If only he had told the woman "It's not as nice as my wife's but looking good." then he'd be husband of the fucking year.

[geek tragedy]

69. It reflects a fundamental lack of respect for his wife. nt

[JVS]

77. You don't think that lack of respect is fully evident without his comment?

[geek tragedy]

81. Takes it to a new level.

One thing to get caught up in a moment, go all hormonal, feel chemistry with another person. Just about everyone's had that temptation, even if most don't succumb to it.

Quite another to sit there and comparison shop another person's sexual organs along with your spouses. Shows a calculation, an awareness, a certain level of comfort with what's going on.

Creepy.

[arely staircase]

52. the humiliation is just mind blowing

I can only hope that their whole relationship is some sort of wierdfest and she gets off on all this and is in on it. the alternative is this skeevy little perv is putting his wife through unfathomable humiliation.

[Puzzledtraveller]

10. kick

pisses me off, the jerk

[LittleBlue]

13. Sounds like it to me

He seems like an out-of-control sexual maniac. Masturbating in the toilets? Clearly he has huge issues.

It's almost like the thrill for him isn't the sex, it's the chance of getting caught.

[VanillaRhapsody]

18. You don't know many men do you?

[cali]

34. I do.

lots of them. Sad that your experience with men appears to have been with creeps.

[VanillaRhapsody]

38. not well enough apparently

sadly...your bar for creeps seems to be mighty low....Men are men...it is what it is. I suggest reading some Master's and Johnson for a start towards enlightenment.

[leftstreet]

46. So you're saying men are creeps in general?

[VanillaRhapsody]

49. Saying....sexually....men are well....

pretty much...lets just say horn dogs! How bout that....does that phrase upset your sensibilities?

[cali]

60. lol they may all be horn dogs, but they sure as shit don't all

act the same.

do you think all men act like Weiner? Poor you.

[VanillaRhapsody]

92. Have I EVER said ALL?

Poor you....bad reading comprehension!

[MoonRiver]

118. In addition to very poor taste in men,

you seem to have some extreme anger issues. Sorry about that.

[anneboleyn]

91. I honestly think this undersells men. My husband, and many male relatives and friends

(including gay male friends so not just "evil hetero men&quot think his behavior is appalling. He is publicly humiliating his partner. That is shitty. And please don't start claiming that I just don't know my husband, etc. People on the outside have no idea what we do or what we discuss. And of course women can be as raunchy as any man. My girlfriends frequently are FAR more graphic in their fantasies/desires than their male partners.

[VanillaRhapsody]

95. BUT the part yu are discounting is ONLY She can decide whether he has overcome that problem

only SHE can make that decision to forgive him for past transgressions. To take away her own ability to make the judgement is to diminish her. I do not appreciate that assumption of this accomplished woman.

[LittleBlue]

111. I think I understand what you're saying now

And I agree somewhat. What women think of as perverted are normal fantasies for men. Some will admit that their fantasies can become quite dark.

The whole 'pretty p*ssy' thing is mild for men, I agree. It's a nothing phrase that many men say at certain times. But wanking in the public toilets... well, I don't do it, and if my male friends do it, they don't admit it. When I call him a sexual maniac, it's not his desire for sex that shocks me, which is common in men. It's the fact that he can't control it, and a willful recklessness despite holding a public office. You'd think he could at least stop doing it for a time after being caught and publicly humiliated, at least until he got elected to a new office.

[VanillaRhapsody]

116. You see...even men in positions of power..

cannot control the little head any easier than everyday folk? Its that simple...

[VanillaRhapsody]

120. Yes I think you do understand what I am saying now...

thank you for being honest about the differences when it comes to what is fantasy and what is perverted between men and women. I just don't think that even men with lots to lose can control their.....um...thoughts. We women seem to think that the stories we hear about how much men even think about sex is an exxageration....LOL!

[LittleBlue]

130. I don't think they can either, to be honest

There are probably lots of progressive male heroes who have private thoughts or even private actions that would shock us. Weiner is one of the few whose actions have been laid bare.

[cali]

57. bwahahahaha. first you ream me about for

"diagnosing" her, then you turn around and make judgments about me regarding stuff you know jackshit about. fairly amusing..

I've read (enough) Masters and Johnson. It's hardly the be all and end all and it doesn't really address this shit in any case.

Men are men is a silly and none too bright statement.

You really might consider that staying in a marriage where you were being badly abused for over 35 years has warped your perspective on men rather badly.

Talk about a low bar. You wouldn't even stumble of your bar for men.

[VanillaRhapsody]

62. I wasnt abused for 35 yrs...

I am not that old....I was married 16 yrs...

You want to diagnose me now too?

[VanillaRhapsody]

66. Again....I must say....you really really must not have "known" in the biblical sense

many men! THEY ARE horndogs...just ASK them! They will tell you that themselves!

[gollygee]

71. This is a stereotype

Some men have high sexual needs, and some don't so much. Some women have high sexual needs, and some don't so much. But certainly the vast majority of men don't behave the way Weiner has. This is very much not a case of "boys will be boys" and if you think this is how men behave, I am wondering about what kind of men you know. If this is what men you've dated/married are like, then I wonder about your choices.

[VanillaRhapsody]

108. Saying the she MUST be an abused wife is ALSO a stereotype....That was my point!

Not talking about sexual needs by the way....its not about quantity or quality...

[gollygee]

113. You don't seem to understand what "stereotype"

"This woman looks like she's abused to me" is a judgement about one person.

"All men are horndogs" is a stereotype.

[VanillaRhapsody]

144. Women who stay with a husband who cheated MUST be abused

is a stereotype...Yes I KNOW what the word means...

[gollygee]

149. Did anyone say that?

I only saw "she looked like an abused wife to me."

[leftstreet]

78. Is that a typo? Did you mean 'hotdog?'

I'm so confused

[AtheistCrusader]

87. Much more alertable than the OP, just sayin'.

Juror #5 checkin' in.

[Raine1967]

166. +1

#2...

[cali]

88. in the biblical sense?

let's just say I knew more men than I could count.

You excel at missing the mark, vanilla dear.

[LittleBlue]

40. I am one

Not sure what you mean by that.

[B2G]

14. He's scum and she needs to leave him

This man has some serious psychological issues.

[Whisp]

27. What a low life.

Boney little pukeshit, I bet he's lousy in bed too.

[MoonRiver]

32. Yep, that would explain why he has to compensate with those vile sex texts.

[VanillaRhapsody]

33. that may be true...

but it doesn't make him an abuser or her an "abused" woman. I find this to be rather sexist myself....its only being said because she is a woman...its pathetic. It's HER life....who the F are we to judge?

[cali]

39. uh, grab a clue. public figure mean anything at all to you?

sad that you think all men are like that piece of crap.

[VanillaRhapsody]

54. I say MOST ARE horn dogs!

even Chris Rock says...."men are only as faithful as their options"

[gollygee]

72. He's a comedian making a joke

and he isn't actually a sociologist or anything like that where he's qualified to make a sweeping statement and be treated as an expert.

[VanillaRhapsody]

160. Okay do we need to look up Master's and Johnson to know what mens fantasies are

and to know that many have them that many women would find distasteful or perverted? Do we really need to go there?

[cali]

173. M&J is horribly outdated

and has been discredited on several fronts.

what? YOU didn't know that?

[VanillaRhapsody]

174. It was a joke....but the sentiment remains...

or are you still denying that many men are to repeat a term I used "horndogs" and think with the little head a bit too often? Might want to check out ChatRoulette for a taste of what I am saying! LOL yourself!

[VanillaRhapsody]

175. Ask Dr Ruth...Dr Phil..Dr Spock. Dr Oz.any one you can think of and they will tell you I am correct.

[cali]

176. ack. seriously? you're embarassing yourself. you seem to have a flair for it.

carry on.

[VanillaRhapsody]

177. No actually the opposite is true....see post number 168 (to get schooled)

to see why....

but do go on madame or sir...

[Butterbean]

184. Wow. Men thinking about sex often? Normal, yes.

Men texting pictures of their penises to women who aren't their wives when their wives are pregnant and/or newly postpartum, or jacking off in a public restroom? Not normal, no. Nope. Not even close.

It's one thing to have sexual thoughts, fantasies, and urges. Those things are normal. It is quite another to have such a lack of impulse control that you cannot even keep your hands off your penis long enough to make it home to sexually satisfy yourself, or to have such a lack of common decency as to refrain from sending pictures of your genitalia to strange young women on the internet while your wife takes care of your newborn in the other room.

I find it quite insulting to men as a whole, and to all the men I love and respect in my life to state that because they were born with a y chromosome they simply lack the capacity to conduct themselves like decent human beings instead of like dogs in heat, humping everything they come in contact with. Men are better than that.

[VanillaRhapsody]

188. that is not what I am saying...and who said anyone humped anyone in this case?

again...you need to have some deep conversations about men with men....they aren't "just thoughts fantasies and urges" Who the hell do you think looks at all the porn? Do you even know that the Internet is and always has been driven by porn? All kinds of porn. How you have missed the proliferation of what we women would consider "perverted" porn?...

Delusional is all I can say.

[Butterbean]

201. It's clear you've had horrible experiences with men, and that's sad.

It's also sad that your opinion of men is so low that you say I am "delusional" because I assert that men are more than just their baser instincts wrapped up in skin and an erection.

We'll just have to agree to disagree on this one, because you clearly are very hostile towards men for whatever reason, and that's something that won't be solved on a message board. *shrug*

[B2G]

50. Ever heard of emotional abuse?

If this doesn't qualify, I don't know what would.

[VanillaRhapsody]

58. Yeah as a matter of fact....I have received treatment for such...

so yeah....I know EXACTLY what that is...and NO we don't know whether this is or not. Its a very incendiary thing to say about someone's marriage.

[B2G]

85. Talking about your wife's hoochie online to another woman

is emotionally abusive.

How do you think she's feeling?

Abuse comes in various degrees and in many different forms, but it's abuse just the same.

[VanillaRhapsody]

89. Thats man talk

they want to be told their "hoochie" is the BEST ever....and they wrongfully assume women need to hear that too!

[cali]

94. bullfuckingshit.

that's just a stupid insulting generalization. ugh.

[VanillaRhapsody]

96. Watch the Chris Rock video....

and ask around....

bullfuckingshit my eyeball!

[cali]

107. stop digging. gad. do you think Chris Rock is the inviolate word of truth on the matter.

pathetic.

[VanillaRhapsody]

127. No but he lays it out pretty well doesn't he?

That is a man saying it like it T.I. Is!

[cali]

138. not even a little interested.

a joke may well have a GRAIN of truth to it. hardly authoritative.

[VanillaRhapsody]

141. Not interested.....hmmmmmm that figures!

jumping to conclusions is not surprising.

[cali]

151. yes, I always come to serious conclusions based on a comedian's routine.

er no, unlike you, I don't.

[leftstreet]

106. OMG I miss you already newbie!

"man talk" ??

Are you shitting me? Are you for real?

[Trajan]

63. We judge every fucking day

nearly everything ....

I am learning quite a bit about you today .... it's not good ....

[VanillaRhapsody]

98. Yeah but you are judging HER incapable of making her own judgements about HER husband...

that diminishes her...

[cali]

121. yeah, but her own husband publicly degrading and humiliating her? No problem.

er, no, a discussion on DU doesn't diminish her. And of course she's free to make her own judgment. duh.

[VanillaRhapsody]

124. It would be publically humiliating and degrading to you...

but that is an assumption that it did so to her. They may have had a different kind of relationship...it is not for us to judge. I have said for years that I thought Hillary looked the other way. Some women really don't care if a man strays. That I know for a fact. Not many women but I have known some.

[cali]

128. critical thinking is not your forte, eh?

you make these huge sweeping generalizations about men, but something that the vast majority of people in a marriage/relationship would obviously find degrading and humiliating is off base?

[smirkymonkey]

190. I just don't get it. He is one ugly SOB.

Why any woman would want to be with him is baffling to me. His wife can do SO much better.

[flamingdem]

37. Abused or ambitious

I'm not sure but she doesn't seem to be thinking straight.

[VanillaRhapsody]

43. Wow....did you all say this about Hillary?

They are still a "happy couple" Did you accuse Hillary of being "an abused wife"?

He never even HAD sex with these women....suddenly he goes from that to a Wife Abuser? Sheesh...

[polichick]

44. Hillary was her mentor, people have said...

Could be that Huma is making a big-picture career decision, as Hillary seemed to make more than once.

[VanillaRhapsody]

70. Right and its her life and her decision to make...

calling that decision "an sign of an abused woman" is sexist if you ask me!

[polichick]

76. If she is abused I hope she leaves...

but I can also see how it could be a career move - which still makes me feel bad for her. I felt bad for Hillary always putting her husband's career over her own career and over herself.

[VanillaRhapsody]

84. BUT as it turns out....Hillary didn't put her career second did she?

She is the front runner for the next Presidency. I'd say that woman was pretty smart.

[polichick]

90. She could've been president long ago if not for putting Bill first...

Remember, SHE was the star at law school and he was thrilled that she noticed him.

[HockeyMom]

97. A woman could never have been elected President in those days

but she can NOW.

[flamingdem]

82. Not at all. Just read up on being the partner of a sex addict

There might be abuse involved.

[VanillaRhapsody]

86. Don't have to read...walked a mile in those shoes...

difference is...unlike her...I didn't have many options. AND THAT is the part some here seem to be discounting as a technicality and its sexist.

[flamingdem]

101. But that kind of enabling can happen to a man or a woman

As in the Al anon people can suffer worse than the drinker.

They're in their own kind of cycle with the perpetrator, from what I gather.

[VanillaRhapsody]

104. Yeah as a child of alcholic parents....I KNOW that too...called Codependency

I HAVE seen this stuff first hand. Give this woman the benefit of the doubt that SHE knows what is best for her...THAT is the best thing anyone could have ever done for me!

[HangOnKids]

114. Wow You Have All The Anwers

Because NOBODY else in this entire thread has a fucking clue.

[Whisp]

53. some were saying how upset she looked yesterday

while singin' Stand By Yer Man.

She did not look stressed or upset to me and that was weird. It was almost treated as a joke or something, the look on her face was not of a wronged and/or distressed woman.

Something too odd about all this.

[VanillaRhapsody]

73. Me either....she looked quite like a woman who knows her mind and can "run her life well by herself

thank you very much". Suggesting she is "abused" because she made that decision is just clear cut sexism.

[arely staircase]

171. who knows

like I said in another post, she was just so incredibly sad to watch reading her folded handwritten note like a little girl whose puppy died, but for all I know she is the toughest woman on earth, moving in the circles she does. I imagine this woman has been in meetings where drone targets were picked. So who knows. I did feel really bad watching her yesterday.

[bettydavis]

56. Huma is not abused she is either stupid or...

...like I suspect Hillary was, an opportunist with her own political agenda and aspirations. He is clearly a sleezoid weirdo. Huma is trying to use him as a step twd her own political ambitions, although I think that plan is pretty much ruined now. You cannot love a man like this. Hillary couldn't love Bill. She knew she was going to run for office and being first lady aint bad to have on the resume. She liked the status Bill gave her. You cannot love someone who clearly is not inlove with you. She thinks she's getting something out of it. Huma knows he's a sleeze just like Mrs. Sandusky knew her husband was a molester but didn't leave. maybe she didn't want to be embarrassed in front of friends and family, again a status thing, or maybe just didn't want to move out of her nice comfortable house or just didn't want to try to make her dreams come true on her own. But she was getting something out of it. Women are not perpetual victims. Huma is not a child. She's a grown woman and a pretty smart one at that. Do not pity Huma. She clearly has her own agenda we just don't know what it is. If WE know he's a pig she surely knows.

[polichick]

68. Except Hillary might have been president already if she hadn't put...

her cheating husband's career over her own. SHE gave him status initially - SHE was the star back then.

[leftstreet]

83. +1

I remember thinking she should have thrown his shit out on the WH front lawn

Probably wouldn't have happened, but I never understood why they stayed married unless she calculated it was more useful than not. I think she miscalculated though

[polichick]

93. I think she miscalculated too.

[VanillaRhapsody]

100. Her relationship to Bill wasn't the problem

her stance on the Iraq war WAS!

[VanillaRhapsody]

99. Okay...that is really going out on a limb projecting now....

come on...

[polichick]

103. It's true - he has said it himself. SHE was the star when they met...

He was surprised she gave him the time of day.

[VanillaRhapsody]

105. That is projecting to the max....

OF course he said that! Jeebus on a Cracker. That doesn't mean that HE believes she would be President Now....Come on!

[polichick]

109. Actually, it's an opinion.

[VanillaRhapsody]

112. and an opinion based on what evidence?

little to none doesn't count.

[polichick]

117. I saw the film about them, where they talk about meeting...

and how Hillary actually had more experience and star power than he did.

I said she "might" have been president already...

It's an opinion based on their own story.

It's simply that and nothing more.

[cali]

136. lol.

"only hypocrites cannot forgive hypocrisy"

I'll try to keep it in mind in regard to YOU. And no, it's neither Chris Rock or Dolly Parton

[VanillaRhapsody]

79. Was Bill Clinton a "sleezoid weirdo"?

after all he actually put a "cigar in one" among other things....this man has done nothing of the kind.

[bettydavis]

102. Bill is absolutely a sleezoid weirdo..

I was in college when Monica happened and defended Bill at the time. too young to understand it. reeeeally think about that $hit. Can you imagine Barack gettin his d sucked in the oval office. Think of the hubris that takes. waaaaay worse than Weiner's lil texts. he was the FUCKING PRESIDENT and let some little girl (21 is a little gilr I don't' care what anyone says) do that to him. BUT THEN the pig lets her get fed to the lions while he lies about it to the world! What sort of mind does that?! A sleezoid weirdo's mind. I'm still pissed about Glass/Steagall...muthaf*c%a...

[Proud Liberal Dem]

209. Maybe that was what Justin Bieber was pissed off about

When he decided to curse Bill Clinton and pee in a bucket mop in the kitchen of a restaurant not too long ago. Glass-Steagal, I mean.

[applegrove]

75. She's Hillary Clinton's other daughter.

She's getting advice from the Clintons. And remember Hillary stayed with Bill because the one long conversation that was their marriage was so interesting. Huma did not look like she wasn't doing her own thinking during the press conference. She could have desires of her own like maybe she wants to have his kids even if the marriage doesn't work out in the end. We just don't know. That being said the fact that he did it again after he must have hurt her so much the first time doesn't bode well for the future.

[VanillaRhapsody]

80. "She didn't look like she was doing her own thinking"

Excuse me? THAT is the most sexist thing I have heard here yet! OMG....that is an educated and fine upstanding woman with her own career. WTF....people people people. We are supposed to be the party that accepts peoples choices for what they are. This was her choice. I don't for a moment think she is not capable of making such a decision....as some here seem to!

[applegrove]

110. I'm sorry. I'm on my cell phone. I forgot

to put the "not" in there. My point was just the opposite. She seemed really heartfelt and vested in everything she said.

Edited to add I did put the "not" in there. You read my my double negative wrong.

[VanillaRhapsody]

125. Okay thanks for the clarification....

I accept that!

[boston bean]

115. I'm going to as a question.

I wonder if she stays with him due to her religion. A woman can't ask for a divorce, the man has to. And that fucking weak creepy ass sicko hasn't asked for one.

[Avalux]

131. None of us know what goes on between them in private.

But from what we know, it certainly isn't a healthy relationship. I did notice during the press conference that she looked disheveled and the stress was evident on her face. I can't say she's abused based on that, but she certainly didn't look good.

All the while, he's acting as if everything is fine. Not good.

[MrSlayer]

135. What if she's into what he does?

What if she's right there with him while he does it?

What if they're just freaky and she gets off on all of this stuff too?

Could she admit that publicly? Would she? Would that change people's opinion of the actions? Them as a couple? She as a wife? As a public figure?

I don't know but I'm sure it's safer to play it this way. She obviously loves him, you could see it on her face when she looked at him and smiled at him. I wonder what it would be like of she just came out and said that she digs it.

[cali]

140. what if the moon is made of blue cheese?

[MrSlayer]

165. We know for a fact that it isn't.

I'm not picking a fight with you, I generally agree with you. I'm just throwing out an alternative scenario. It's not implausible, lots of people swing and swap and kink out.

[cali]

181. I'm just saying that it appears rather unlikely in this case.

it's not impossible. it is unlikely.

[MrSlayer]

183. It IS kind of a stretch.

It's something we aren't likely to ever find out.

[Agschmid]

143. Or what if they have an agreement...

Cali seems to think she is right in the bedroom with them!

[cali]

156. uh no. I read his apology and her interview. they say as much.

bzzzt. fail, but do feel free to try again.

bonne chance.

[Agschmid]

157. People lie.

bzzzt. fail, but do feel free to try again.

[cali]

162. why yes, honey, yes they do.

but do you have any reason to believe that they did in this case? I have some evidence* at least. YOU? sorry, total fail, including the sad little copycat routine.

*His going off to sex addict recovery camp thing, her history and background, the fact that most people don't care to risk being publicly humiliated.

You're just pulling shit out of your.... hat.

[AtheistCrusader]

167. There is no such thing as sexual addiction.

Sexual addiction recovery camp is about as 'effective' as the pray the gay away gay recovery camps. Meaning, totally ineffective and possibly incredibly harmful.

http://losangeles.cbslocal.com/2013/07/18/ucla-study-suggests-sexual-addiction-isnt-a-real-disorder/

http://tv.msnbc.com/2013/06/20/christian-ministry-that-backed-gay-therapy-apologizes-shuts-down/

[u4ic]

193. Why did she need all the therapy and then make a tough decision to stay?

HER words. Doesn't sound like someone who was in to what he did.

[MrSlayer]

195. It might not be true.

We really don't know what is and what isn't. Other than Mr. Wiener is proud of his peacock.

[u4ic]

197. "It took a lot of work and a whole lot of therapy to get to a place where I could forgive Anthony"

Her quote.

[MrSlayer]

198. Yeah, and?

Just because people say things doesn't mean they're true. Particularly when you don't want to reveal that you may be even kinkier than the guy that got caught.

I mean, he said he was done with it when he got caught originally but he wasn't. Chimp said Saddam had nukes. Clinton said he never had sex with that woman. Nixon said he wasn't a crook. Milli Vanilli claimed to have sung those songs. etc. etc.


You never know and probably never will.

[u4ic]

199. The moon landing was faked

Obama is Kenyan and aliens have visited earth and the earth really is flat....

[MrSlayer]

207. There are lies and there are lies.

I'm not saying she is lying. Just that she could be. She's probably not but one never can tell tell in these matters.

[Cleita]

164. She certainly seems to lack self-esteem.

I might be able to forgive some juvenile behavior, because a lot of this is what it is. But to have to endure this humiliation in public would have sent me to packing his bags, making a hotel reservation for him and handing him my lawyer's card, which I would have requested that he contact me through in the foreseeable future.

[flamingdem]

172. +1

[Aerows]

180. Things we can agree on.

I'd definitely be packing his bags, now.

Actually, his crap would be in the street and he could find it and the suitcase.

[Pretzel_Warrior]

185. Tell it to HRC. Her supposed abused wife syndrome turned her into US Senator and

Secretary of State. It is blind ambition that causes these women to stick with their husbands.

[opiate69]

194. ...

[DCBob]

196. I dont think so in the traditional sense.

I think she is more like a trapped wife who put her future in this guy's hands and now is stuck with a rotten tomato and now trying to make the best of a horrible situation.

[PoliticAverse]

205. The Good Wife - By Huma Abedin

http://www.harpersbazaar.com/magazine/feature-articles/huma-abedin-defends-anthony-weiner-in-nyc-mayor-race-2013

[southernyankeebelle]

206. Here is the thing cali. She is a grown woman and she stood right there with her husband.

She didn't have to do that. I am having doubts now if it is a good idea he stays on. It is a distractions. Somewhere along the line she has to take responsibility for her own actions.