Oh Noes...the 'story' of the Zimmerman crash is falling apart at the seams..

[HipChick]

Less than one mile from where George Zimmerman killed 17 year-old Trayvon Martin, a new debate has erupted after a reported car crash involving an SUV carrying 4 family members flipped over and ‘George’ as Juror B37 fondly calls him, put on his Superhero cape, then came out of hiding — miraculously he happened to be at the right time and right place — to save the trapped family. The responding officer who to went to the scene also happens to be a vocal George Zimmerman supporter on his Facebook account: Patrick Rehder.

Stay with me here, because the story gets really interesting.
NewsBall.com has a very detailed report
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Newsball continues, “The plot thickens as there is NO mention of Officer Rehder meeting George Zimmerman at the crash scene anywhere on his facebook, despite the July 17th incident being sandwiched in between continual support of George Zimmerman both before, & from the aftermath of the trial.”

Who else did not mention the accident? The people involved in the accident. Also, there are no pictures or videos of said accident. And the mother involved in the supposed crash deleted her Facebook page after being asked about the authenticity of the incident.

NewsBall.com reports further:

Longtime supporter (& one source still being investigated by NB is claiming friend) of George Zimmerman, Officer Patrick Rehder’s cell phone records reveal a text or call to George Zimmerman right after the 5:47 PM crash was called in. This tipped Zimmerman off to the car crash accident & to get there to assist the family before Officer Rehder arrived. Zimmerman, still hiding out in the same neighborhood that he killed Trayvon Martin in, was less then a mile away to jump into action & be a hero with his passive aggressive approach KNOWING that his name on the police report would eventually be made public. We didn’t give Zimmerman enough credit – he had a larger role in orchestrating this then we thought was possible.

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The family isn’t talking, but Sanford Police Capt. Jim McAuliffe told reporters that Zimmerman, 29, was identified by Mark Gerstle as the man who pulled him from the mangled vehicle last week. “George Zimmerman pulled me out,” firefighters were told.
The sheriff’s stated that the driver & passenger have expressed they are not interested in speaking with the media about this incident. They also never talked about it on their facebook walls. Nor did their family members. Nor did the responding office. Despite lots of talk of Zimmerman before & after the incident. & no pictures exist of the crash. Neither Mark or Dana Gerstle had a comment to NewsBall by the time of this publication.

UPDATE 7/23: Instead of a response from either parent from the emails we sent them, Dana Gerstle’s facebook has suddenly disappeared a day after we took all of her pictures from it:but her brother Joey Muffoletto & sister Angel Muffoletto Thurlow still remain on facebook – never mentioning anything about their sister’s car accident on their walls. Let’s say that ‘George’ did rescue a family of four. Why couldn’t he defend himself against a 17 year-old during a fight? I’d love to see the insurance reports and pictures of the accident in question.

Mark Gerstle the driver involved in the alleged accident, refuses to speak of the dynamic rescue by Zimmer Man. The family cancelled their scheduled Press Conference. Zimmerman defense team is now speaking on behalf of the family? Really? Why is that?

http://freakoutnation.com/2013/07/24/its-a-bird-its-a-plane-its-zimmer-man-but-his-reported-rescue-of-the-car-crash-seems-to-be-falling-to-pieces/

[NightWatcher]

1. So a cop gets to the scene, texts Zim, then waits for him to show and pull them out?

Good thing nothing happened while they all waited on zimmy. I hope those cops get fired.

[HipChick]

6. Collusion with police is evident

That's why he didn't get arrested when he murdered TM

[Blue_Tires]

48. +1

[Junkdrawer]

219. +2

[Igel]

18. Not even the claim.

The claim is that the site has the cop's cell phone records and it shows a text right after the dispatcher was notified of the crash. (He has no evidence, but a nice claim.)

So the cop texted GZ who was closer and raced over to rescue the family of 4. The first responders reportly arrived after GZ had pulled the family out and left.

But did he do this?

Because in all the indifference shown by the media to GZ, nobody posted anything about this to any public space like FB. So it mustn't have happened. (Silence, after all, is an argument. Argumentatio ex silencio is the highest form of something or other.)

Then the family refuses to talk about it in public or post the pictures that you just know they were taking.

Why, you'd almost think they didn't want to be stalked by a news site. But they were: FB pictures from their page and the cop's, anything that can possibly be dug up. (Did you know that the father is from Buffalo, but they leave near Dayton; he was a pharmacist.)

What's funny is that the site doesn't think itself obsessive-deranged. All the media attention, all the probing and digging and insults and badmouthing are not because the media and staunchly-GZ people must dig up dirt on them because, well, GZ might look less than reprehensible; no, it's all GZ's fault for being involved with them. Assuming, of course, that anything actually happened. It took the site in question research to satisfy itself that the family of 4 actually did exist, and the police report to prove that an accident actually happened.

Such is the level of distrust and ill-will--shall we use the current word for such things, "hatred"?--that the obviously unbiased site shows to a family which, by all reports, had a fairly serious car crash last week. No victim is too traumatized to be persecuted, apparently, if the intention's right.

[cheapdate]

53. I'm sorry but this is very funny.

A blogger at Newsball.com couldn't find a single Facebook update or tweet to corroborate the story, therefore it may not have actually happened. Welcome to the future of American journalism.

[Soundman]

216. Zimmerman Derangement Syndrome

It seems to have made otherwise rational people crazy.

[caseymoz]

77. What's wrong with saying the story is fishy?

When I heard GZ was involved in a real rescue, my exact thought was, "GZ better not have pulled a hoax, because if he did, people will find out."

Well, they haven't proved it's a hoax, but I'd be prepared for it if I were you. The lack of postings of any pictures by anybody in this day and age is suggestive (that it didn't happen) especially when it was Zimmerman at the scene in broad daylight less than a mile from the shooting, and with his face fresh off the TV.

I wonder if the NSA could settle this . . .

[cynzke]

238. Missed Opportunity

to make some money/sell video to the press. Very fishy!

[caseymoz]

267. Retched business strategy then.

No, they have to really think he probably hoaxed this, and I would look into it because there was a Zimmerman guy in my neighborhood, and (profiling a little) it's just the sort of idiocy he would have tried to counter an "image problem."

[MrMickeysMom]

244. The hell with the NSA... why don't we just follow "curious George" around?

Seems the best way to track said super hero is to start a few "man in the hood" interviews... "Look! Up in the window getting off his cell phone from a text... It's a bird! It's a plane! ... "

[Voice for Peace]

254. Probably there are people keeping an eye on him.

I hope there's an organized effort... to keep him
out of trouble, I mean. Teamwork on behalf of
the departed.

[Lionel Mandrake]

264. Argumentatio ex silentio

means the attempt to draw a conclusion from an author's silence on a particular topic.

Far from the highest form of anything, it is a particularly weak form of argument.

[daybranch]

65. read again

The Officer texted Zimmerman who was closer to the scene so Zimmerman was there when the officer arrived.
If I am in the predicament these people were in the crash I hope the officers recognize and take an opportunity to get help there faster whether the good samaritan is named Zimmerman or not.
Open your eyes and read with your intelligence.

[yardwork]

83. Great idea! The police always call random neighbors to respond to car crashes

before police or emergency personnel can arrive. I mean, that's standard operating procedure, right? Calling a random civilian to get to the scene of the accident because they are closer?

See post #82. http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=3334558

Your post is the funniest thing I've read in a while.

[anneboleyn]

99. Yes. Always call non-professionals with NO medical knowledge to drag

possibly injured persons out of a crashed vehicle (extreme sarcasm). What police dept. would do something like this when they know that it is *crucial* that medical personnel stabilize persons who may have spinal injuries?

[yardwork]

100. Somebody dumb enough to believe Zimmerman's defense stories, that's who.

What's hilarious is that there is somebody on DU in complete agreement with the idea!

Now this is taking Zimmerman-the-boy-wonder-neighborhood-watch-superman-dude to new heights.

[Crunchy Frog]

202. Somebody who's not worried about lawsuits.

[Starry Messenger]

108. That would be a lawsuit waiting to happen

Of course, they own the courts down there too, so...

[Myrina]

229. ^^ THIS!!! ^^

[cynzke]

239. And.....

If the accident was serious enough, why hadn't anyone else stopped. Further, only trained medical personnel should be moving the injured. Broken neck, spinal injuries, etc., you don't call a "yahoo civilian".

[Progressive dog]

269. ^^Winner^^ nt

[CakeGrrl]

112. Srsly?

So, the police should call Joe Blow to come help because they're close.

All it proves is that the police are thick as thieves with wannabe-cop Zimmy.

As was said above, that's why they didn't want to arrest their buddy for murder in the first place.

They're a cesspool of collusion.

[Jerry442]

249. You don't really need elaborate scenarios and theories.

The simple fact that the police didn't detain Zimmerman while Martin was lying there dead from a bullet from Zimmerman's gun tells you all you need to know.

[Sheepshank]

148. How did the officer know Zimmie was closer?

And in case of extreme danger and dire emergency, you should TEXT a non professional, and just assume they got the message ASAP?


Your apologist stance sounds pretty silly

[Cronus Protagonist]

197. The officer is probably his paid bodyguard

And the owner of Zimmer Man's secure lair. (living in the cop's pool house) Gotta launder that "charity money" somehow...

[katmondoo]

150. Yeah,Yeah,Yeah!!!!

[vaberella]

165. I don't know what to say. A professional calls a non-professional to do his job?! Really now?!

Bless. I have no words.

[AlbertCat]

235. If I am in the predicament these people were in the crash I hope the officers recognize and take an

Are you kidding?
Just what we need...untrained yahoos taking care of serious accidents. Perhaps you'd like the Paramedics to rely on some strange neighbors to help you if you need it. Then they can finish their lunch before they arrive.

Besides...Zimmerman doesn't always do what the police tell him to do, now does he?

[Gormy Cuss]

245. Open your own eyes and your nostrils

This story stinks to high heaven.

[Doremus]

260. Do you really want a responding police officer to stop driving & start texting his buddies

to see if any are closer than he is?

The idiocy that gets posted here sometimes is incredible.

[maindawg]

270. daybranch= mole

noted

[SummerSnow]

73. Those cops are in love with zimmy

[dusty trails]

111. Surely, your joking ?

I hope those cops get fired.

Your talking about Sanford, FL ~ the town that didn't even want to arrest GZ for murdering an unarmed kid.

[freshwest]

129. They had to get permission from their future police chief. Just sayin'

[bigwillq]

2. Stop being such a Crasher

BWAH

edit to add link

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023333749

[HipChick]

5. Birthers and Crashers

[Cali_Democrat]

15. LOL

[BumRushDaShow]

3. He and all around him are psychotic. nt

[Incitatus]

4. Even if he did, so what?

Where they going to die if they had to wait 2 more minutes for first responders to show up?

Run into a burning building and help some people to safety before firefighters can get there, then I'll say you rescued someone.

[PotatoChip]

45. Yes, I thought of that too.

Last edited Thu Jul 25, 2013, 06:32 AM - Edit history (1)

In fact, it is my understanding that no one should ever attempt to move an accident victim (as long as they are in no further imminent danger, such as fire ect,). One is supposed to just keep them as calm as possible and try not to let them move. Unless of course the are truly uninjured...

This would be in case there might be some type of (not obvious) spinal injury.

I had basic first aid training years ago for a job I was working, and definitely remember this rule.

On Edit: The purpose of this post was to point out further the implausibility of the "heroic" Z Man story. Non-medical personnel are not supposed to interfere w/accident victims other than (at most) to help them stay calm and to try to keep them from moving.

Does not mean I believe the story... (just so we're clear)

[arcane1]

81. My ex's nephew learned that the hard way.

He and his buddies were driving around drinking beer, and crashed into a pole. One friend was gashed into the metal, and suffering terribly. They just immediately pulled him out. Doing so opened the wound, and he ended up bleeding to death, because they didn't wait for the pros.

[PotatoChip]

203. Ugh! How awful!!!

The nephew will probably never forget how horrible that was. Watching the friend die that way. I feel so sorry for him.

[caseymoz]

80. But the point is . . .

. . . there's some doubt he rescued anyone.

[Nanjing to Seoul]

114. He "saved" four people. That excuses him from responsibility of murdering one!

Case closed! Zimmer Man is a God among men.

[Puzzledtraveller]

163. close enough to my sentiment

which is, who cares, for people who loathe zimmerman some seem to to be obsessed with him.

[Scuba]

7. I suppose he didn't really deliver the royal baby either.

[KansDem]

41. Of course he did!

The baby was named after him!

George Alexander Louis

[elehhhhna]

52. DUZY DUZY DUZY

so deadpan, so perfect.

[Hubert Flottz]

206. Or leap tall buildings in a single bound!

And he got there faster than a speeding locomotive, or the Sanford PD.

Was he disguised as a mild mannered news reporter, or was he suited up in his leotards and cape?

ZimmyPoo could probably parallel park a speeding locomotive. I'll bet he said, "Stay thirsty my friends."

Edit to add...Lucky there wasn't a bag of Krypton in the trunk.

[Jackpine Radical]

8. I just read in another thread that I'd have to be a crazy CT type

to believe that GZ, Superhero was a setup.

So what is it, HipChick? Too much acid in the old days?

(Of course the critic in the other thread was thinking about the difficulty of setting up the whole accident, etc., rather than just waiting for the right opportunity to piggyback Gorgeous George onto.

[HipChick]

16. I don't know...I've never inhaled..

but I don't think a setup is out of the question..I think it would be pretty easy..

I live a stones throw away from a cop station and a fire station...due to community projects, I have dropped off stuff like a box of DD doughnuts for them...since I've got to know them on a personal, there is nothing I would put past them. I don't care for cops..BTW

[elehhhhna]

54. i never exhaled!

[hopemountain]

281. but the cop called zimmboy from his cell phone

before going to the scene!! why, why, why would he do this? unless...

i inhaled, exhaled and ingested.

[matthews]

9. I didn't believe it in the first place. I know there's such a thing as coincidence.

But this struck me as being too too co-inky-dink, as Michael Harris would have said,

[LittleBlue]

10. ...

[reformist2]

11. Well, this is embarrassing.

[Hoyt]

12. Heck, every witness for defense lied for georgie.

Like the martial arts guy who Zman went to for training in how to kill someone while they are down - learned to carry gun in case beating wasn't working.

[hrmjustin]

13. Ok every person who said I was wrong yesterday and the day before needs to read this post.

This post should be pinned.

[CatWoman]

22. well

I'm keeping this fucker kicked to the top

who's with me?

[hrmjustin]

24. Me to.

[arely staircase]

36. recommended nt

[CatWoman]

40. and again

[calimary]

193. and again.

I'll help you, CatWoman! Just too many holes in this story. The same as with his story the night he murdered Trayvon Martin.

[SalmonChantedEvening]

250. One more. :)

[calimary]

277. And yet again!

[yardwork]

82. I'll help out. This thread is full of win.

My favorite post so far is the one that says that he hopes that if he is in an accident the police will call a neighbor or somebody to arrive at the scene even more quickly than the police.

I imagine getting the squeal while sitting around on a Sunday afternoon, having another cup of coffee. The phone rings.

Me: "Hello."

Police Officer who is Unknown to Me: "Ma'am, you don't know me, but there's an accident on the highway about a quarter mile from your apartment and I wondered if you would mind responding to the scene? Just to help out, you know. Until a police officer or emergency vehicle can arrive? Like, we're hearing that an SUV has overturned and might be on fire, so could you, you know, pull the family trapped in the vehicle to safety? Just til we can get there? Thanks so much."

[City Lights]

106. I know, right?

That post was solid gold!

[Sheepshank]

154. This is so freaking real.....

I'll NEVER answer my phone if caller ID reveals the call is from 9-1-1.

I mean, I've no formal training in medical care. What if I'm not strong enough to lift the truck off a person, what if there is a head wound? What if I let someones head drop on the pavement? What if I start puking at the sight of the blood because of some PTSD?

[Judi Lynn]

199. Well worded. A call FROM 9-1-1 to a resident

asking him/her to run outside to handle a car crash outside the house could startle, traumatize, shock him/her so much he/she might faint, and fall, hitting his/her head, accidently killing him/herself.

Unless you have emergency medical training, don't answer a 9-1-1 call to your house!

[cynzke]

241. Maybe, thanks to government funding cutbacks......

Local municipalities fire their EMT's and just phone the closet civilian to the accident scenes.

[Sheepshank]

246. Hey...the GOP answer to everything

Privitize (as in use private citizens).

[calimary]

194. Yeah. All cops have that instruction, don't they?

[raccoon]

208. you should write movie scripts! nt

[Oilwellian]

122. Kickity Kick

If this story is true, it sheds new light on George's manipulative skills. Hmmm.

[life long demo]

253. Another one

[Blue_Tires]

57. amen to that shit...

So far I've supposedly been:

A hate-filled, obsessed loon

No better than the freepers

No better than the birthers

No better than the 9-11 truthers

Blinded by my hate for Zim

Butthurt about the verdict

and the list goes on...


It's like no one can even ask a fuckin' question about a news story on this site anymore...

[amuse bouche]

14. Good grief

This is absurd

[HipChick]

17. If he can rescue Snowden from outta Russia...

then I might be swayed..

[msanthrope]

123. Can Snowden find out who B37 is? Be useful? nt

[CakeGrrl]

19. Desperate murderer is desperate.

Poor Zimmy, trying to wash the blood off his hands.

It ain't comin' off.

[HipChick]

25. That about sums it up..

[calimary]

195. That is a GREAT way to sum up this mess.

EXCELLENT post. And you're correct, CakeGrrl. That blood won't every come off his little hands. They'll never be sweetened again. No matter how much he tries to launder them.

[freshwest]

20. FAKE! FAKE! FAKE!

Someone had to say it. You can always count on me to 'go there.' Thanks, HipChick.

[SunSeeker]

94. LOL! A classic! nt

[grantcart]

175. "We got a chocolate malted here".

[Kingofalldems]

21. Uh oh Zimmy's little gun pallies not liking this one.

[anneboleyn]

179. I know. That is why Fox hasn't been on it 24/7. Because they would be on it nonstop

IF they did not appear to have questions/concerns about the incident. In fact the relative silence of Fox on this story (Fox has been all about "evil black men and the evils of black violence" the past week or so) is rather striking.

[Starry Messenger]

23. Joe the Rescuer

This smelled like an attempt to make him some right-wing Everyman hero.

[Skittles]

31. the first rule they should have observed

is don't set it up until you're done dancing on Trayvon's grave

[Starry Messenger]

49. Look how many right wing nuts here lapped it up?

They must have figured the fan base would believe anything.

[daybranch]

76. I am not right wing at all

But I sometimes use my head not my emotions. Some of the posters here remind me of the idiots who want to believe the smallest kid in the class can beat up the school bully because all bullies are cowards right. Sort of like Bush calling the Saudis who flew into the World Trade Towers, cowards. Deranged, evil, stupid, but certainly not cowards.

[Skittles]

87. Zimmerman is a coward

PEOPLE WHO AMBUSH AND KILL INNOCENT PEOPLE ARE COWARDS TOO

[Starry Messenger]

107. Like I said honey

[Zoeisright]

186. If you used your head you would know that asshole is guilty as sin.

http://www.revcom.us/a/310/zimmermans-lies-a-brief-recap-en.html

READ that. Then start using your head.

[edgineered]

278. I was the smallest kid in school

once I got tired of the bullies I DID beat their asses, one by one. I'm not so small anymore, nor will I ever do that anymore, but you better believe I was one tough son of bitch with the fastest punches in town.

There are always exceptions. Zimmerman is no exception from being a racist, bigoted, hating murderer. Getting out of his truck with a loaded gun makes him guilty of 1st degree murder in my mind - jury decision can go to hell. 1st degree murder.

Face it - 1st degree

[truebluegreen]

63. Look! Up in the sky! It's Zimmer Man!

[AsahinaKimi]

146. I guess you have seen this..

[truebluegreen]

230. No, missed that one

but it sure fits the narrative these people are selling.

[xfundy]

26. Clearly a cheap PR move.

I suspected as much when I first heard about the "story."

"Don't you go telling stories," my mother always said. In other words, don't lie.

The timing was very suspicious, and now with a complete lack of evidence, it stinks like a corpse flower.

[Moses2SandyKoufax]

27. Kick n/t

[JI7]

28. i could smell shit just reading the headline about the so called rescue

and the press conference was supposed to be in front of o'mara's law office ????????

[Moses2SandyKoufax]

32. Careful,

in the minds of DU's chapter of the GZ fan club, doubting this story makes you just as bad as a 9/11 truther. Only a crazy conspiracy theorist (or non racist) would doubt the claims of George Zimmerman.

[HipChick]

37. The trial is over...so why is O'Mara still involved?

[JI7]

68. probably having trouble cashing in over the fame from the trial

the fact that he defended a guy who killed a teenager doesn't help. so if he can try to make the guy he defended into a heroic figure it could help him.

[JBoy]

79. That was my first thought.

Why the fuck is this guy front and center? Too convenient that he's so "available".

[sigmasix]

159. the right wing money machine

paid for more than a defense for Zimmy the babie murderer and cousin molestor. The right wing pockets behind the defense of Zimmy's cowardly murder of an unarmed child are paying for media and social rehabilitation for the NRA's posterboy chock full o' racist murder lust. This lawyer and the stanford police are just doing what their partisan commanders pay them for.
Why do teabaggers hate America so much?

[calimary]

237. Attempted perception management.

Obviously he's either still on the case voluntarily because he sees a need to keep defending his precious Georgie, or somebody else does and is bankrolling him (or maybe it's somebodies) to retain his services because they fear "the job isn't finished." O'Mara is obviously trying to seal the deal in the public perception. Perhaps he anticipates another trial, a civil action or something, and he's trying to stack the deck in advance - any way he can to influence the public perception of his seriously damaged and compromised client, and somehow try to turn him into some Captain America type.

One way or another he appears to have concluded that this isn't over, and his services are still needed, and he still has work to do to rehabilitate his client in the public eye. Why? Because the reaction from coast-to-coast has NOT been favorable, and a large swath of the public watching the trial was not swayed by his fancy arguments and cardboard cutouts and histrionics with a slab of concrete and a bunch of hardly-unbiased witnesses who waxed nearly poetic about dear sweet innocent "Georgie." Maybe muddying the waters of a second potential jury pool - so it can then be claimed that poor dear sweet innocent "Georgie" can't get a fair trial and, well, there's just no reason to proceed...

Only problem with that, it would seem, is that the trial of public opinion will then be the last word. The hatred of this monster, across the country, and the knowledge MANY of us are left with - STANDS: that he got away with killing an unarmed kid after stalking him and picking a fight with him, having prejudged and racially profiled him in his own cock-eyed paranoid racist mind (note that he never said anything like "these fucking crackers, they always get away&quot and anointed himself judge/jury/executioner, taking the law into his own hands. And with no badge and no formal deputizing from any legitimate law enforcement organization. There are many of us, myself included, who don't give a rat's ass whether "Georgie" single-handedly saves the whole world and personally finds a cure for cancer and a solution to the national deficit in the next year-and-a-half. He still was allowed to get away with a rather cold-blooded MURDER.

[Baitball Blogger]

29. Hey, it's Seminole County.

You're suppose to swallow what they feed you.

In this county when someone whines, "Why are we being treated like stepchildren?" What they really mean is: If state and county politicians can get away with cheating, why can't they?

[Boom Sound 416]

30. Keep scratching

[Bjorn Against]

33. I love how the people who scold "conspiracy theorists" claim to be critical thinkers

Yet they simply buy what the Sanford Police Department without asking any questions. They pretend that the only way this story could possibly be false is if the accident were staged, because that scenario is not plausible they act as if any dispute of the Sanford Police story is not plausible.

The fact they don't want to acknowledge however is that they don't need to stage an accident, they only need to lie about what happened at the scene of the accident. Considering the only witnesses either are employed by the very same department that was heavily criticized for giving Zimmerman preferential treatment in the past or are not talking should be a huge red flag to anyone who is a critical thinker, but those bashing "conspiracy theorists" are not the critical thinkers they claim to be.

There is not one witness who is talking that does not have a connection with an organization criticized for their handling of the case and not one single photo of Zimmerman at the scene of the accident, yet we are supposed to just buy the story that Zimmerman is a hero without question. Sorry but the people telling us to use critical thinking skills are the ones who are really lacking critical thinking skills themselves.

[Moses2SandyKoufax]

38. People who buy what the SPD, and GZ claim aren't critical thinkers,

just racist gun-nuts.

[Bjorn Against]

39. Agreed.

[Boom Sound 416]

60. now thats critical thinking

(picture a little sarcasm thingy here)

[Boom Sound 416]

58. as far as i can tell

"Considering the only witnesses either are employed by the very same department that was heavily criticized for giving Zimmerman preferential treatment in the past"

those who criticized SFD are the same who are upset with the verdict are the same people who don't believe the accident story.

as far as photographic evidence. is that all one needs for truth, proof or at least critical thinking?

[Bjorn Against]

67. We have good reason not to trust the verdict or the Sanford Police

Whether photographic evidence would be all one needs for proof can not be answered until that photographic evidence is produced and we can examine the quality of it. Right no there is zero physical evidence to back up the Sanford PD story and there is not one single witness, at least not one who is talking, aside from the same police department that mishandled the case against George Zimmerman.

[nenagh]

234. "Di Miao says he believes Zimmerman's nose was broken and that either Zimmerman or

someone on scene could have popped it back into place. Di Maio says that if it was just swelling on Zimmerman's, it shouldn't have gone down in only four hours." From CNN transcript. (2:17 pm) There seems to be a word missing.

I always thought that was a statement that should have been followed up.

Wonder how true to life that Zimmerman bloody nose photo was... I don't understand photography... But Di Maio's testimony, I thought was honest about the speed of swelling reduction..as too rapid unless the nose was 'popped back into place'

If it were broken, that is, which Di Maio assures us it was. (Of course going by the photo)

[heaven05]

90. you

really need to check yourself. geez

[EOTE]

233. Why can't you be a critical thinker?

And realize that two or more people have never gotten together and conspired to commit a crime. That's loony "grassy knoll" type thinking there.

I agree, the ones who dismiss any kind of discussion of CTs as loony are pretty damned loony themselves.

[awoke_in_2003]

34. I onced pulled people out of a flipped SUV...

but if I track down and kill an unarmed black male I am still an asshole.

[Boom Sound 416]

72. We're their any cameras there

[heaven05]

91. you

REALLY need to check yourself. geez

[Boom Sound 416]

96. No disrespect, just making a simple point

[heaven05]

102. yeah

sure. No cameras around when he was murdering Trayvon, but many supporters on this site still claim zimPIG was in danger. This whole scenario is the fucked start of some kind of zimPIG rehabilitation in the public eye. NOT GOING TO EVER HAPPEN!!! This murderer shall have blood on his hands and what little conscience he has till the day he dies.

[Boom Sound 416]

110. Their are two camera at the mailbox area

Where Trayvon was hanging out on the phone.

The security company rep testified that both were malfunctioning and not recording that night.

1-I'm curious if you knew that
2-was the security company in on it too
3-had they been working, what would be their significance
4-I'm curios to what other CT's you might believe or not based on a single camera. 9/11, gulf oil disaster, TWA 800, Waco, Pearl Harbor.

[heaven05]

116. like

I said, you zimPIG supporters should REALLY check yourself out in your ability to hate Trayvon and make his murder justified. . You're no better than that murderer you support. No conspiracy, it was murder and your sad, really sad and stupid attempt to make me some kind of nut, shows you up for what you are. Smell anything?

[Boom Sound 416]

126. Now I'm confused

Where was the part I wrote about hating Trayvon

Lets be clear. You hate Zim. That's pretty well stated. But I don't know how you feel about Trayvon other than he is a murder victim. But, how do you know what might feel about either of them personally.

Yes, I believe (for now) the accident story is credible. I've made that pretty clear

From that you call me racist and am no better than a murderer myself.

You need to check the fuck out of yourself. You call me a murdering racist from a computer screen. What the fuck do you know sunshine. What's makes you so brilliant that nobody connected gives a fuck what you think.

I could tell you how I feel about Trayvon and Zim and the whole fucked up situation, but you are clearly a person who has no intent of broadening their narrative. Or maybe you would have just asked.

[heaven05]

147. I

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don't need you to tell me what you think about Trayvon Martin and your hero zimPIG, you've made that abundantly clear. Well, sunshine, back at ya. Why don't you go to zimPIGS site and talk to him. He would appreciate your transparent , bullsht outrage much more than I. If you supported zimPIG, you felt the murder of Trayvon Martin was justified. Simple as that sunshine. You give a fuck about your support of zimPIG and what that says about you and your thoughts on a young life cut short by a cowardly racist or your bullshit protest wouldn't be so transparently LOUD. Have a good life. I'm finished with you, zimPIG supporter.

[Boom Sound 416]

151. Transparent outrage

Is exactly what I'm looking at

[Progressive dog]

271. Have you ever looked at opaque outrage? nt

[Boom Sound 416]

272. Well, I've certainly seen through it

[Progressive dog]

273. I don't know how to answer that

but I find it amusing.

[Boom Sound 416]

274. I'll accept that

[7962]

136. Dont be so quick to lump in Flight 800

with all those others!

[Boom Sound 416]

141. The list is for effect

But why not so quick?

[7962]

207. I never believed the story from the start simply because i saw those pictures of the streak

from the ground. NEVER seen anything like it before. Then lately these guys who were involved in the initial investigation have come out with a lot of stuff too.
But on the other hand nothing irritates me more than the 9/11 "truthers" (i prefer to call them idiots). With disappearing passengers and planes to planted explosives (which would take 100s to stay quiet) and all that. Oh, yeah, and a missile that would scoot across the ground too. The perfection of the plot itself would be impossible.

[Skittles]

109. del

[raccoon]

211. I think heaven meant you're grammatically challenged. nt

[Boom Sound 416]

227. I would like to think so

But I think it is more a assumption of an evlolutionary challenge

[mercuryblues]

201. I once

left a father and son in a flipped truck. I felt bad doing it, but the kid was complaining his legs hurt. I convinced the other bystanders to leave him in there, as none of us had training on how to remove him without causing further damage to his legs. The Dad wouldn't leave his son in there alone. I told the dad to keep him calm and keep him talking. If he stopped talking or seemed like he was in shock, we would pull him out.

EMt's came, used a tool to push the dash back, splinted the leg, It took 4 guys to pull the kid out safely.

They thanked us. When we saw them weeks later they thanked us again. The son's right leg was badly broken and moving him would have made it worse.

I will add, I did that without a call from the police to rush to the scene for them. I was actually behind them when they got t-boned by a car that ran a red light.

this is why I have a problem with flim zim man's story. Unless accident victims are able to move on their own leave them where they are. (Unless of course leaving them is more dangerous.) Talk to them to keep them calm and watch for signs of distress. Therefor he did not 'save' them as many headlines suggest.

[cynzke]

243. Broken Bone Shards

can sever arteries!

[malaise]

35. Delish

I called this BS from day one - it did not happen.

[HipChick]

43. I know when I smell BS

and this stunk to high heaven

[malaise]

46. From day one - we were right

These are first rate scumbags. This is really nasty stuff. I have bad news for him and his goons. Nothing will wash the blood of Trayvon Martin off his hands - nothing. He murdered that kid in cold blood. Keep trying scumbags.

[HipChick]

71. The first time I heard the story..it reminded me of those carefully crafted Palin PR snowjobs

[lolly]

143. Or the backwards "B" lady

In fact, there have been a number of nutjobs in both of the last 2 elections who staged attacks at the hands of scary black people, IIRC.

Fortunately, they were all really stupid about it and the stories unraveled after a few hours of questioning.

Didn't stop the wingnuts from trumpeting their outrage all over FB and the right wing media.

So, yeah, this fake hero stuff seems cut out of the same cloth as the fake assault stuff.

[sheshe2]

42. K&R!

[olddots]

44. How insanely dumb could they be if this was faked ?????????

oh I forgot they're all good god fearing reblicants .

[HipChick]

47. As dumb as B37 juror

[brush]

153. Right! Makes you wonder what's going on

I'm starting to wonder . . . no, I'm way past wondering about the gene pool down there. B37 thought she could quickly influence the jury to find zimmy not guilty so she and her hubby could immediately cash in on a book deal obviously arranged while the jury was in deliberation and no one would think anything of it.

The Sanford cops thought they could let a black kid's body just lie in the morgue without even trying to contact his parents and it wouldn't matter because he was just a black kid.

They also thought letting zimmy go was okay too.

Now zimmy, his officer pal, and his attorney think it's a good idea to pull this apparently staged PR rehab of zimmy's reputation and we would all be gullible enough to just buy it.

What are they drinking down there in Sanford? Or better yet, who are they mating with down there because they need to stop it immediately.

Yo, Stanford, the IQ level down there seems to be cratering. Please stop coming up with this all this stuff that would be laughable if it wasn't so dangerous, damaging and tragic (SYG included).

[CatWoman]

50. ....

[BlueJazz]

51. At the risk of sounding like an Ass....I knew absolutely, positively this whole "Accident/Hero..

...stuff was a load of bullshit stack as high as a cloud.

Everything was (as church Lady would say) "mmm, How ConVeeeniant.."

[DeSwiss]

55. So, are you saying that the lying-ass liar, lied?

- Surprise, surprise.

K&R

[jtuck004]

56. There was a report from the scene, showed some skid marks, nothing else, said the

SUV was on its side.

Having attended to a fair number of wrecks when I was a medic, we never called helping someone stand up after they got out of their car a "rescue". Typically that involved equipment to do what humans couldn't, or at least fire, none of which appears to be involved here.

For such a serious crash there appears to be no medical report, no hospital, no ambulance, no...well, not much. Kinda like GZ ol' "life-threatening injuries".

Something sounds phony down in Racistville/Sanford. Again.

[GiaGiovanni]

59. No falling apart at any seams, yet. And as to the accident victims speaking to the media,

maybe they don't want to be in the middle of a media blitz. If it were me, I'd bow out too.

[HipChick]

62. ah... a Zimmerman apologist...smell that?

Big pile of steaming poo-poo

[GiaGiovanni]

66. Not an apologist. Look at my post history, HipChick

But I will say that you strike me as someone who speaks without knowing enough facts. That is my opinion based on your OP and your attack on me.

[HipChick]

69. Sorry...but I'm not one for making a habit of stalking one's post history..

[GiaGiovanni]

74. You don't have to "stalk"; you were invited to look.

That's quite a bit different.

[heaven05]

98. and

you're someone who buys into any fact as long as it fits your 'cultural' leanings. Don't throw stones while living in a glass house. geez

[GiaGiovanni]

192. And, you're basing this on what, exactly?

Give me a fact.

[heaven05]

223. no posts

in journal. nothing, nada, zero! fact.geez

[ksoze]

103. Ah, using the apologist defense when questioned

Used liberally here when ones does not being questioned about their wild, unsubstantiated, idiotic conspiracy posts.

[LanternWaste]

221. unsubstantiated, idiotic conspiracy posts about how Zimmerman attempted to illegally transfer money?

"wild, unsubstantiated, idiotic conspiracy posts..."

Much like wild, unsubstantiated, idiotic conspiracy posts about how Zimmerman attempted to illegally transfer money from his jail cell using a poorly made code a third grader would laugh at...?

Crazy talk, man. It's all just crazy talk...

[heaven05]

228. ohh

I wouldn't put anything past the idiot racist murderer called zimPIG.

[John2]

61. Why don't

we just start with square one? Why did this vehicle turn over? Was it mechanical failure, weather conditions or the driver's fault? Just begin with that and maybe we can find out the Truth. In order to do that, the driver and passengers need to answer some questions, as well as the police officers arriving on the scene. I guess that would include any medical personnel. I don't know what it has to do with O'Mara? Why is he involved? His services are no longer needed. Is he still on the payroll?

[Little Star]

64. Yay for our MSM! They always get their story correct, not!

[Scurrilous]

70. K & R

[Kingofalldems]

78. You anti-Zmmerman people are all emotion!

Just like Rush says.

[heaven05]

105. and

all the prozimPIG supporters are full of shit. Like I say, fuck the limpdick. His opinion holds about as much water as a bullet riddled canteen. geez

[Kingofalldems]

115. Just in case---it was sarcasm.

[heaven05]

118. 10-4

[Liberal_Stalwart71]

259. You're defending Rush Limbaugh? Wow, I know where you

stand.

[Kingofalldems]

263. Ah, read up a few posts.

OK don't. It's called sarcasm.

[McPops]

84. Not buying it just yet

"Longtime supporter (& one source still being investigated by NB is claiming friend) of George Zimmerman, Officer Patrick Rehder’s cell phone records reveal a text or call to George Zimmerman right after the 5:47 PM crash was called in."

Something doesn't sound quite right here. Who did the cell records search? And how did they get into his records?

Most importantly, how do we know that such a cell records search was performed in the first place? Because someone named Anomaly posting on Freakoutnation says so?

Face it, anyone could have completely fabricated this story and posted it on the Web.

I'll wait some more before passing judgment.

[McPops]

85. One more thing

From the article:

"Let’s say that ‘George’ did rescue a family of four. Why couldn’t he defend himself against a 17 year-old during a fight? I’d love to see the insurance reports and pictures of the accident in question."

Perhaps because fighting skills and pulling people out of cars are two different things.

I have never understood this logic.

[Skittles]

93. Zimmerman targeted, stalked and KILLED a teen who was simply walking home from the store

he is a paranoid racist gun humping KILLER - forever GUILTY

[McPops]

104. Don't forget "baby killer" and "cannibal"

Might as well throw everything in that we can. (Although I have no idea how this has anything to do with my post.)

[CakeGrrl]

124. Actually, "cousin-molester" and "domestic abuser" are accurate.

Let's just throw in what the murdering loser actually IS. No need to embellish.

[McPops]

132. Has he even been arrested for molesting anyone?

???

[Zoeisright]

185. Statement to the police here:

http://blackamericaweb.com/146032/george-zimmerman-molestation/

Read it and learn something, if you're capable of that.

[Skittles]

145. we already know what YOU think

[brush]

156. He is a killer you know

Found not guilty or not, staged PR stunt or not, he's still a killer, and one with EXTREMELY bad judgment.

If you're a zimmy supporter I bet you yourself don't want him with that hair-trigger temper and hair-trigger trigger finger living anywhere close to you.

[McPops]

161. Yes, we all know he is a killer

No one is doubting that.

[heaven05]

86. ????

zimPIGman, the hero? geez what bullshit is this?!?!

[Politicalboi]

88. Unless the car was on fire

Why would the cops or EMT's want an inexperienced asshole to touch victims by pulling someone out, you could make it worse. And what if the family had been black? Why terrorize them by sending GZ to their rescue.

[arely staircase]

89. a black family trapped in a car with zimmerman approaching

like a horror movie scene.

[yardwork]

92. OMG! I feel terrible that I laughed but I did. Like the guy in Texas Chainsaw Massacre.

I can see Zimmerman approaching the car, chainsaw held high.

[arely staircase]

95. menacingly holding one of those jaws of life car cutting things

that he bought off the internet and keeps by his scanner.

[yardwork]

97. Stop.....this is killing me......

[freshwest]

117. Here it is:

That goes for me, too. Keep that... entity away from me!



P. S. No, I am not gonna be nice.

[Nanjing to Seoul]

101. Call Stan Lee. We have our new superhero: Zimmer-man

Mild mannered HOA watchman by day. . .but at night, a vicious weapon in the war against "injustice."

Watch Zimmer Man pull out his Freedom Pistol against "Skittles Boy" and then blow him away in the name of SYG. Then marvel how the forces of "Good" work to destroy Skittles Boy and free Zimmer Man from his arch-nemsis, Karma!

In the next daring episode, Zimmer Man is called by a police officer to help rescue a bag of kittens in an overturned vehicle. . .even though Zimmer Man has no training in this area. Zimmer Man arrives, saves the kittens and then pulls out his trusty Freedom Pistol and asks the cop if he can stand his ground and shoot the kittens for being "%$&@ punks. These @ssholes always get away."

ZIMMER MAN!!! FIGHTING FOR TRUTH, JUSTICE and the ability to cap people to death if a fight he provokes goes south!

ZIMMER MAN!!! The newest weapon in the never-ending fight against truth, justice and everything decent!

[REP]

131. You're 40 years too late

Though the original Zimmerman wasa Bob Dylan joke in National Lampoon:

[brush]

158. I like. I like! nt

[southernyankeebelle]

113. I feel bad for this family being put in a middle of the crap. When it comes to Zimmerman

everything he does from now on is questionable. Why all the hush hush.

[rainy]

119. Will we ever get to the bottom of this? I'd sure like to know and if George didn't really help

I hope it gets huge news coverage.

[Cha]

120. There was graphic here yesterday that stated something like..

So zimmerman Was Able To Rescue a Family of Four but wasn't able to Defend himself from a Teenage Boy?!

The Family was white, yeah. I'm not making it about Race.. it already is.

Regardless of whether it was staged or not. Either way zimmerman's no fucking "hero". Not even a good try at trying to redeem your fucking image.. zimmer man.

[McPops]

127. If he pulled a family of four out of an SUV all at the same time...

... then, yeah, that would be pretty hard to believe.

One at a time? I see no reason that would be physically impossible to pull off.

And didn't he have someone with him helping?

[hrmjustin]

130. How come the family won't go on the record. And the cop at the scene is a big supporter and never

said anything about his hero on facebook even though he was talking about him all of last week.

[Pelican]

200. At a guess...

... the "Death to Zimmerman" crowd comes off a bit crazy and probably not a group to be associated with.

They probably would rather have stayed in the truck...

[Bjorn Against]

210. I am not aware of a "Death to Zimmerman" crowd

I do know of a "Death to Trayvon Martin" crowd however and they are a bunch of racist child murderer supporting assholes.

[Pelican]

213. I just go by what I see...

[ksoze]

214. When you remove your blinders, it will be obvious

[Cha]

134. It doesn't matter.. like I said..

it's a lame attempt to redeem his image as a stalking murderer.

[LanternWaste]

222. Maybe his wife? She seems predisposed to assisting him...

"And didn't he have someone with him helping?"

Maybe his wife? She seems predisposed to assisting him... whether it's heroically rescuing a family of four from a blazing wreck, or simply helping him in his attempt to illegally transfer money while in jail, it appears she's quite the sidekick...

[brewens]

121. A buddy and I were first at the scene once. It wasn't a real bad crash but we did have

three people injured. Two not bad but bleeding a little and a woman in the passenger front seat with an injured back and neck. I turned off the motor and my buddy grabbed his fire extinguisher and stood guard just in case. We smelled gas but didn't see any obvious leak.

I was telling the lady still in the car to just stay still and assured her the car wasn't going to blow up like on tv. If we did have a fire start I'd help her out and she would be okay.

The cops got there and took charge and I being the mastermind told my buddy, lets just take off. Then if they come looking for us, we can play the reluctant heroes! Much better than sticking around and taking bows right? That was the way my mind worked back then. Well we did and they didn't. There was a mention of two guys helping in the blurb in the paper but no real glory.

[McPops]

128. I don't recall Zimmerman publicizing this event.

So what is your point?

[brewens]

160. I guess we'll see, won't we? Someone put it out there for a reason. It seems a little too

convenient for me.

[McPops]

164. I thought it sounded too convenient too.

But the opinions that refute the story are even wilder. So what to believe?

[1StrongBlackMan]

125. Does anyone know ...

this site's reputation?

I think I'll wait until more comes out.

[McPops]

135. Ha! Here is Freakoutnation's disclaimer

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http://freakoutnation.com/about/

Oh yeah, a trusted source! (Amazing how someone can post any fool thing on there and get everyone worked up over it.)

EDIT: Here's more:

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[greiner3]

133. LOSER!!!!

[Kingofalldems]

137. Keep kicking until Zim's friends give us all the facts.

[hrmjustin]

140. LOL! you know they are hiding now.

[Rex]

176. They are busy looking for a new hero imo.

I hear Ted Nugent is available. Right up their ally.

[blkmusclmachine]

138. DRAMA !! Like Reality TV. And probably faked, too...

IMO

[ELI BOY 1950]

139. the sanford police department should be investigated

[wercal]

142. I sure 'Newsball' has access to the officer's phone records

And knows he called Zimmerman because (unlike any other media outlet) they have his number.

Alcoa stock is up!

[McPops]

144. Yeah, a whole lot of logical leaps being made...

... based on an anonymous blog.

I don't get it. This forum usually has some fairly intelligent posters, but somehow the Zimmerman story just sucked all rhyme and reason out of their brains.

[Dagny_K]

149. Woman "rescued" is daughter of cop who organized citizens' policing

I think the woman "rescued" by George Zimmerman is likely the daughter of a formerly high-profile Daytona Beach cop who organized citizens' policing groups. He called them "the first line of defense against crime."

I grew up in Daytona Beach. Everybody in town knew Lt. Joe Muffoletto. He would go around to all the schools and pitch "Police Explorers." He organized citizens policing before there was "neighborhood watch." He was just the kind of cop George Zimmerman would love to know. And Georgie just happened to pull this cop's daughter out of an overturned car? This particular cop???

I've seen online that Dana Gerstle's maiden name is Muffoletto, she has a brother named Joey, and she's from Daytona Beach. The coincidence is just too weird. She's got to be his daughter.

Read this article and think how much Zimmerman would love this cop:
[link:http://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=1873&dat=19780712&id=C_IpAAAAIBAJ&sjid=DNMEAAAAIBAJ&pg=3801%2C4567002http://|

[libodem]

155. Thank you for the info

Welcome to DU.

[McPops]

166. Info?

She claimed that the woman IS the daughter of a police officer, but then later states her belief is only conjecture.

And I fail to see the big coincidence. The odds are not that wild, if you think about it. (I happen to be the uncle of a police officer myself.)

[libodem]

173. Look we both know

Zippy has the strength of a wet noodle, don't think he could open a truck door without snapping his dainty little wrist. His hands would be all black and blue trying to grab some one. And IF that truck was on fire he would have started his baby wailing screaming cuz he's such s scaredy cat. He's no hero. He's a putz.

It was a set up. Start to finish. It's another line of his bull shit lies.

[McPops]

181. But wasn't there someone with him?

*

[libodem]

183. No

The crashers told the LEO Zimmerman saved them. Wonder if they were speeding, drunk or inattentive? Probably not investigated?

[Dagny_K]

182. My theory

You're right. I need to provide more info. And I have a theory.

Daytona and Sanford are just about a half hour apart so we're talking about the same general geographical area. Also in this area are Ormond Beach and Port Orange.

Checking Zabasearch, there is one Joseph Muffoletto, 72 years old, in Daytona, and one Joseph Muffoletto in Ormond, 47 years old. Father and son, don't you think?

I'm seeing information online that Dana Gerstle has identified herself in many places, like her Pinterest page, as Dana Muffoletto Gerstle. She's described as from Daytona and has a brother named "Joey." The Gerstles now live in Port Orange.

Zabasearch lists "Dana Michelle Muffoletto" age 41, at the same Port Orange address as "Dana Michelle Gerstle" also age 41.

Her maiden name is Muffoletto and there is exactly ONE Muffalotto family in the Daytona area. What do you think?

So how could Zimmerman know her? Her father devoted his career to advocating citizen policing. He was extremely high-profile in Daytona for decades. He was THE face of the DBPD. I chose that 1978 newspaper article because I think what he says is chilling. Citizens are the first line of defense while police take a secondary role because criminals now have more rights than citizens. AND HE SAID THAT IN 1978!!!! He could be a freakin' NRA member saying that TODAY. Zimmerman would eat that shit up with a spoon.

After he retired from the police, Muffoletto was the criminal justice coordinator for a Daytona college. He's listed in the yearbook as recently as 2010. I think it's very likely he continued to give presentations and talks in the area and being that citizen policing was his life's work, if Zimmerman heard about a presentation like that, he'd be in the front row and want to meet the speaker afterward. Probably REALLY want to be his new best friend. I think that could have happened at some point during Georgie's law enforcement studies.

My theory on the crash. I think Zimmerman knew the family and they were going somewhere together in their own cars when the accident happened. Zimmer Man rushed to help his friends, having regained a normal man's strength now that the trial is over, and he did them a favor by ducking out when the police showed up, so as to avoid too much attention drawn to himself. 'Cos he's such a caring guy.

[McPops]

191. How does that change his persona?

I fail to see how knowing the occupants changes anything. If they had turned over the SUV and he really helped, he still helped.

And even if he knew Lt. Muffoletto, that doesn't mean he knew Dana.

And if Zimmerman was really that interested in citizen policing, then that is probably a mark in his favor. Just about every community wishes they had more people lining up to volunteer as citizens police. Most cities suffer because they can't get anybody to do it.

Was he overeager? Maybe. But, it certainly wouldn't paint Zimmerman as evil, which so many in here think.

[JustAnotherGen]

204. It's okay to think

Zimmerman is evil. I'm sorry - but the First Amendment gives us the right to think and say what we want about him. No one is yelling "Zimmerman has a gun!" in a crowded movie theater here. And at this stage - you aren't going to change the minds of anyone who believes he is too low to kick, and too wet to step on. He's been on display - and he is going to have to live with people having negative opinions of him. He's a big tough guy and can handle it.

Let him fight his own internal battles.

[JustAnotherGen]

265. And I can think

You are a evil indieteapublican who has only been a member here since Tuesday who has devoted every post to defending Zimmerman.

Because I can *think* perhaps the lady or the 'pops' doth protest too much with the reasonable and logical slam.

That's okay - I've been here loooong before you at DU - and I'll be here looooong after you're gone.

[calimary]

280. Kicking!

The details in your thread, below, are fascinating!

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023336325

[Nevernose]

152. How did Zimmerman "rescue" someone?

Was the car on fire? Did he perform CPR or apply a tourniquet?

Assume there's no conspiracy and everything is accurate as reported: there is still no story. George Zimmerman saw a flipped over car, pulled over, and unbuckled someone's seatbelt. There was no "rescue," there was no heroism. It's a bullshit story not because it didn't happen, but because it is meaningless.

[McPops]

167. It shows a concern for others and a willingness to help.

A good samaritan effort.

But I agree, the impact of his aid is overblown. But that's not his fault.

[Nevernose]

168. I never bought the "secret sociopathic murderer" theory

I always thought "cowardly wannabe-cop with a gun, with a healthy dose of dipshit" was far more likely.

It really is kind of his fault, though. The family didn't go to the press, the police didn't go to the press: his attorneys went to the press.

[anneboleyn]

177. He was accused of molestation by a relative, so I wouldn't dismiss "predatory."

[Skittles]

174. concern for others?

HE IS A KILLER

[McPops]

187. And he was on neighborhood watch

because he was trying to help his neighbors. Maybe too hard.

[Skittles]

190. LOLOL aren't you the naive one

[Starry Messenger]

225. I guess if you call killing a neighbor helping...

[Starry Messenger]

258. Oh "we" know

[Starry Messenger]

266. Were you?

Hur Dur, George was helping the neighborhood. Braindead.

[BainsBane]

275. Doesn't make an unarmed teenager any less dead

[FiveGoodMen]

242. Give it up, George. You're not fooling anyone.

[JustAnotherGen]

205. O'Mara works for him - as does West

They went to the media with this. It is his fault for not pulling in his lap dogs and letting him live in quiet peace, out of the spotlight of media glare.

[Historic NY]

157. We had people set fires and pretend to find them and call the FD...

they are called hero-fire setters, same applies here the hero want-to-be, even assisted by the police. I suggest someone check into his history to see what he has reported or stumbled upon.

[McPops]

169. You have got to be freakin' kidding me

Are you suggesting that he somehow managed to turn the SUV over in an effort to save the people inside? Exactly how does one do that?

The most likely scenario is that he was driving around and listening to his scanner (and he would be a fool not to own one at this point) and heard about the accident. He thought he could go and see if he could help.

Not the stuff of Tarzan. But the act of a good citizen nonetheless.

[Historic NY]

198. No I just suggesting being there to play the hero.

[Sheepshank]

162. World net Daily weighs in...with a follow up questionnaire

Do you think George Zimmerman would have helped the trapped family if they were black?

1-No, he's clearly a racist
2-No, he would have left them to die or find another good Samaritan
3-No, and I'm pretty sure he staged the rescue to redeem himself. He probably forced the car off the road first
4-No, and it doesn't change the fact that an innocent teenager is dead as a result of Zimmerman's misconduct and stupidity
5-No, he might have feared for his own life approaching a vehicle with blacks
6-Maybe, but only to make a point
7-Probably, but he would have reported their race to 9-1-1
8-I don’t know
9-Yes, he would have been even more zealous to help a black family, to show everyone he's not racist
10-Yes, and now that a jury has given Zimmerman a second chance, I hope life will present him with many future opportunities for redemption
11-Yes, and they should have an award ceremony for Zimmerman to present him with a brand new gun
12-Yes, there's not a doubt in my mind
13-Yes, he's been helping black people, living with them, dating them and working with them all his life. Of course
14-Yes, Zimmerman is a hero. The only possible verdict in his trial was 'not guilty' of all charges
15-Yes, George Zimmerman is the definition of someone who is not racist at all
16-Yes, of course. Zimmerman is a good and decent man
17-Other

Read more at http://www.wnd.com/2013/07/zimmerman-to-rescue-george-saves-trapped-driver/#1LYXoVK7VqYXxMbL.99


Question #5 sounds a little off...or is it just me?

[ChiciB1]

170. Commenting To Check This Out Tomorrow...

Been waiting for something to pop.

[lamp_shade]

196. Ditto

[Blue Owl]

171. Where's that grumpy cat meme saying "Good."?

n/t

[pitchforx]

172. Carl Hiaasen would be proud

nothing is quite like it appears in Fla-la land

[HiPointDem]

178. did i call it, or what?

http://sync.democraticunderground.com/10023314319#post25

[McPops]

188. Has it been established?

Even if true, it was hardly a profound idea. Frankly, I think George may have already been driving around and heard the report on the scanner.

[Junkdrawer]

218. Sure did...

As said above "thick as thieves"

[Tutonic]

180. Can we use giant saws to cut off Florida?

Please! For the love of God, at least surround it with man eating shark infested waters.

[cpwm17]

279. So now you're going there?

All over some made up CT that some gullible folks have fallen for?

[Zoeisright]

184. Not surprising at all.

The murderer is a confirmed liar. Everything he says is a lie.

[McPops]

189. What exactly did he lie about and how was it confirmed?

Not necessarily doubting it. Just curious.

[SwissTony]

212. Zoeisright posted a link upthread.

I'll repost (thank you, Zoeisright).

http://www.revcom.us/a/310/zimmermans-lies-a-brief-recap-en.html

[HappyMe]

215. Well, well.

I'm not surprised. This whole thing was oh so convenient. Welcome to Narnia: the Cops, the Lawyer, and The Killer.

[Demonaut]

217. how did "they" get access to the officers cell phone records?

[ksoze]

220. Stop talking sanely - you'll spoil the fun!

[kentauros]

224. What I find so mind-boggling about this whole "story"

is that they seem to be exceptionally naive as to think their story wouldn't be investigated. How stupid do they think we are?!

[alsame]

226. As stupid as

Juror B37. She totally believes this story, every word. Georgie has such a good heart!

[mockmonkey]

231. Anyone know?

What happened to the other person that assisted at the accident site? News reports suck and the police report is kind of sparse.

[toby jo]

232. Hope this goes down like OJs'. Missed the kill, got him on theft (?). In jail where he belongs.

[HipChick]

283. Yep

[blackspade]

236. The story was bullshit from the start.

Honestly, there is nothing Zimmerman says that I would believe without some proof.

He's a liar and a murderer.

[TreasonousBastard]

240. Well, that settles it. Any more questions on anything and...

I'll be sure to check out newsball and freakoutnation for the facts.

Meanwhile, I'm back to not giving a shit about Zimmerman any more.

[Botany]

247. + 1

n/t

[ajk2821]

248. It has begun...

Here comes the George Zimmerman for some elected office campaign. He has name recognition and if this story holds up (or is propped up enough), he will have some positive spin too. Don't be surprised if the GOP isn't trying to get him to run for something small to begin with and then state level or higher soon after.

[Rex]

255. The Zimmerman apologists are going crazy over this!

Clearly, this is far more important then anything else!

[Skittles]

276. they want it known that Georgie is a swell guy

you know, when he's not out hunting black folk

[Jerry442]

268. Here is a copy of the Traffic Incident Report.

Couldn't find an official source, but it's identical to the one linked to by the Newsball site.

http://www.actionnewsjax.com/media/lib/1/3/c/7/3c73213c-4cac-446d-bea8-810f0a79f7aa/I4_SR46VehicleCrash.pdf

Zimmerman is not mentioned. It is stated that the vehicle rolled over. It is not stated that there was a fire, nor is it stated anywhere that the occupants were transported to a medical facility. It is stated that the owner of the vehicle requested that it be towed. Michelle Gerstle and Mark Gerstle are the only ones listed as occupants of the vehicle. There is no mention of how the occupants exited the vehicle.

Just the facts, ma'am.

[HipChick]

284. Just the facts

[JustAnotherGen]

286. Needs its' own thread

So reports of a burning vehicle were false eh? Hmmmmm . . . See - I guess we should always trust police reports. Like Georgie's supporters told us to. Like the cuts on his head. The police would never lie - so says Team Georgie.

[Pretzel_Warrior]

282. your post had to have been linked to other sites. 13K views? Impressive

[gvstn]

285. One thing I find interesting

Is that initial reports stated that the officer talked to GZ. Now the sheriff's office is saying it was Mr. Gerstle that told the firefighters it was GZ. Almost like he is trying to say "We never said it was GZ".

Also wouldn't a cop make note of someone's name when they had pulled someone from an accident? Just in case there were questions later? Perhaps not. I know when I was in an accident several people stopped to assist. I doubt the cops wrote down everyone's name unless they actually saw the accident.

Anyway I just wanted to point out that there was a further update and they found the mother's twitter account and she mentioned the crash on the 18th. So we can put that part of the conspiracy to rest.



http://newsball.com/exclusive-pictures-of-the-family-that-george-zimmerman-saved-from-a-burning-car-or-was-it-staged/

[JustAnotherGen]

287. The car wasn't burning

Headline from the article you linked to: EXCLUSIVE PICTURES of the white family that hero George Zimmerman “SAVED” from a car in flames – or was it STAGED?



See Jerry442's post - link to the police report.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=3340802

Release Date: Receipt#:
PCN:
NIC: Clearance: 7 Inactive
NARRATIVES Reporter: 113023 Rehder, Patrick
Nar. Type: O On 7/17/13 at 1747 hours, I was dispatched to S.R. 417 and S.R. 400, Seminole County, FL, in reference to a vehicle accident.
Rpt Date: 7/17/2013 19:30 Mod By: SCSO\prehder
Mod Date: 7/18/2013 01:14 Related Case Number:
The driver of V1 was traveling northbound on the off ramp of S.R. 417 at S.R. 400. V1’s driver then lost control of the vehicle.
This caused the vehicle to go off road and roll over.
V1’s tires and brakes were not worn and were not an influence in the accident. The vehicle also did not have any airbag deployment.
V1 was towed by Miranda's Towing at the request of the owner

Seems pretty inconsequential to me. Staged? Nope. The whole damn thing about Georgie rescuing people (saving lives????) from a burning SUV is hooey hooey hooey.