In Libya the chaos, bloodshed, detention and torture continue on

[Bonobo]

Many of us were against the UN "intervention" (a polite word for bombing the shit out of people no longer on "our side) because we have seen enough to mistrust not only the motives of the "interveners" but to know that this type of thing usually leads to just more chaos and bloodshed.

Some posters swore they would be forthcoming with an apology when it was shown to be a mistake. They were certain that the weapons were being "rounded up" and that a peaceful situation was right around the corner. Wishful thinking at best...

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Equally troubling for countries that supported the rebels was the ongoing widespread detention of individuals and the use of torture in the new Libya.

An estimated 8,500 men, women and children are still being held in detention centres run by various militias. Navi Pillay, the United Nations High Commissioner for human rights, reported that the detainees were being tortured and that both male and female prisoners were being raped.

In January, Medecins sans Frontieres pulled its medical staff from detention facilities in Misrata after they determined more than 100 people had been tortured. The group's doctors were being asked to keep prisoners alive so they could be tortured again.

Around the same time, Amnesty International reported that up to a dozen people had been tortured to death by Libya's new National Military Security agency. In early February, came the news that Libya's former ambassador to France, Omar Brebesh, had been killed shortly after being arrested by a militia group. According to the autopsy, he died after suffering "multiple bodily injuries and fractured ribs."

http://www.montrealgazette.com/news/Libya+continues+several+fronts/6178586/story.html

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Dark-skinned Libyans are especially threatened. Thousands in Tawargha and elsewhere were forcibly displaced. They still can’t return, and their homes were looted and burned. As a result, those not held captive are in “poorly resourced” camps in Benghazi, Tripoli and elsewhere.

Many other Mshashiya and Qawalish tribe members, as well as Sirte, Bani Walid, and other residents, remain threatened by killer gangs. Revenge killings and other abuses continue. However, Green Resistance struggles to liberate Libya and restore Jamahiriya rule.

They visited 11 detention centers in central and western Libya under insurgent gangs control. In at least 10, detainees were tortured and mistreated. AI interviewed them, those released, facility administrators, doctors and other hospital staff, relatives of people killed in custody, militia members, and NTC officials.

Exact numbers of detainees held and mistreated aren’t known. However, thousands remain imprisoned. ICRC representatives said they “visited over 8,500 detainees in about 60 places of detention.” Most were held in and around Tripoli and Misrata.

http://uprootedpalestinians.blogspot.com/2012/02/out-of-control-violence-in-libya.html

[Bonobo]

1. Kicking to remind people of the Law of Unforeseen Consequences

You can unleash a whirlwind but you can never be sure which way to will go.

[eridani]

2. If members of some clans or tribes are in power and favor their relatives--

--over people from other groups, those groups are going to resent it. Given a chance to turn the tables, they are going to go for revenge. This was utterly predictable. Outside intervention almost always makes a bad situation even worse.

[Amonester]

3. Maybe if you send it to the UN...

Something will be done.

They did 'vote' for it, didn't they?

They own it now.

[Amonester]

4. Still...

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While trust in the NTC will be welcomed by Western backers - 81 per cent of Libyans expressed faith in the new administration that helped defeat Colonel Gaddafi - 16 per cent said they were ready to resort to violence for political ends.

"Militias in Libya are largely out of control and the blanket impunity they enjoy only encourages further abuses and perpetuates instability and insecurity," said Amnesty's Donatella Rovera. ""Militias with a record of abuse of detainees should simply not be allowed to hold anyone and all detainees should be immediately transferred to authorised detention facilities under the control of the National Transitional Council."








Libyan street gangs need to be controlled and prosecuted, like everywhere else.

[tiny elvis]

6. can you construct something meaningful from that 1st sentence?

While trust in the NTC will be welcomed by Western backers -
16 per cent said they were ready to resort to violence for political ends.

are faith in the new administration and resort to violence opposing answers in a poll?
is there any answer between faith and violence?
the word while suggests that the 16 per cent is not included in the 81 per cent
obviously, the resort to violence for political ends cannot distinguish anyone from those who trust in the NTC

i understand you only wanted to bold the numbers,
but that writer has some aversion to plain speaking and clear thinking
always a bad indication

[Bonobo]

5. So is this all just imaginary violence?

Or is it Islamophobia?