Rev Franklin Ghraham just got SKEWERED on MoJo!

[Atman]

I would guess because Joe wasn't there to stop his panel from asking questions. It was beautiful...Graham did his usual questioning of Obama's faith -- "I have to accept him at his word, but because his father was a Muslim, he is considered a Muslim under Islam." Obama doesn't stop the Muslims from bombing Christians. Finally, John Heilman, Barnacle, all of them, were jumping all over his hypocrisy for accepting anything Santorum says as a matter of faith, yes refuses to believe anything Obama says. There were even a few under-the-breath chuckles and harrumphs as Graham pontificated.

I wish I could offer a transcript. I hope it shows up on YouTube or MSNBC's web site.

[handmade34]

1. didn't see it but

Rev Franklin Ghraham deserves to be SKEWERED... the apple isn't even in the same geographical area as the tree in his case... say what you will; Billy Graham was ok! his son is NOT!

[Bluenorthwest]

10. Billy Graham was also a racist and was recorded with Nixon slading the Jews

This is on top of his raging hate of gay people. I do not agree that he was OK. Sorry.

[handmade34]

14. no need to be sorry...

the important thing is that Franklin Graham deserves to be discredited over and over until he has no relevance whatsoever...

[southernyankeebelle]

16. He is nothing like his father. I don't think his father tried to make problems. His son got the

job because of his daddy. He isn't a bright light. In fact I think he brings the family name down. I think he may shadie.

[mulsh]

36. But his dad was a very successful con man and grifter

and the son is following in dad's corrupt footsteps.

[southernyankeebelle]

37. You got me there. I can't disagree

[Sky Masterson]

2. I saw that

He knew without doubt that Newt was an Xtian but just had to take Obama at his word

[safeinOhio]

5. He also said he judge them on what they have done,

not what they say. Newts 4 marriages? He did say Mormons are not Christians.

[Graybeard]

3. They got rid of Buchanan but give him air time?

This Graham has said things a lot worse than Pat Buchanan. He is an ugly bigot and hypocrite.

[Gidney N Cloyd]

27. Yes, but it was defiinitely the kind of air time these types should get.

The panel did good today. Even Willie.

[PotatoChip]

28. I have a question on that.

Who fired Buchanan? The McLaughlin Group or something else? That is the only show that I am aware of him being a regular on. But I don't get cable news- just the 3 major networks, CSpan and PBN.

[LuvNewcastle]

33. He was a regular pundit on MSNBC.

I don't have cable, either, so most of what I know about it comes from DU. As far as I know, he'll still be on McLaughlin.

[PotatoChip]

35. Ok thanks.

I think it was on CBS where he was supposed to be interviewed about some book he authored and having been fired from his job, but I missed the entire segment. Wondered what 'job' they were referring to.

[MinneapolisMatt]

4. Graham was simply awful.

I was so glad they challenged him.

[realitythink]

6. Of course Joe isn't there

When the abusive Dad is around everyone is afraid to speak.

[edhopper]

7. Why is some one like this

allowed on the air in the first place?

[CTyankee]

9. that was my question! I turned the set off when I saw Franklin was going to be on...

but I think I'll go back and look at the segment on their website. I just love a good skewering of RW bastards...

[ecstatic]

18. +1 nt

[Aerows]

21. I wonder about that myself

It's like that Liz Trotta woman saying we shouldn't spend money on whining troop members that have been "raped too much".

Is there NO point at which the media will decide that some people are too toxic to be given attention?

[edhopper]

24. IOKIYAR

Liberal pundits are allowed to be banned for much less.

[eppur_se_muova]

39. "Let him rave, that men may know him mad." ...

... or from the other side, "know thine enemy".

[flpoljunkie]

8. An amazing exchange.

Graham says he does not question Santorum's faith because 'his values are so clear.' And, there's 'no question he's a man of faith.' It was encouraging to see Willie Geist, John Heileman and Alex Wagner point out Graham's hypocrisy.

Contrast this with Graham's repeated assertions that he has to take President Obama at his word that he's a Christian. On the other hand he feels in his heart that Santorum's a Christian. As for Romney's Mormon faith, obviously not so much.

[CAPHAVOC]

13. GOP attack

Looks like GOP is going to start attacking on religion. Graham also said Romney is a Mormon and they are not Christian. Then he said Obama favors muslims on Foreign Policy and is not helping the Christians minorities when the Muslims are killing them in Egypt and Sudan. Then Barnacle said that Graham has a lot of pages missing in his Bible. They appear to want to attack on Religion and Gas Price but not the economy. ???

[spanone]

11. give up your tax exemption or get the fuck out of politics graham

[get the red out]

22. Exactly

We are, in effect, paying shit-heads like him to campaign for corporate controlled jerks that would hapily bomb Iran in the morning and institute Xtian Sharia Law in the afternoon.

[realitythink]

12. Wait till the end

He is completely discredited and it's wonderful!!!!

[flpoljunkie]

15. Video of Franklin Graham on Morning Joe now up on MSNBC!

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3036789/ns/msnbc_tv-morning_joe/

Heated exchange begins at 11:43 on the video.

[flpoljunkie]

17. Note Franklin Graham says at the beginning, 'I cannot answer that question for anybody.'

The question was whether Franklin Graham would say President Obama is a Christian. Later Franklin Graham says Santorum's a Christian 'because his values are so clear' and 'no question he's a man of faith.'

Graham also added he 'thinks Newt is a Christian' and he thinks President Obama is 'more concerned about Muslims than he is about Christians being murdered in the world.'

Loved John Heilemann's pointing out Graham's 'amazing double standard' regarding his decisions about who's a Christian and who's not.

[Samantha]

30. It is not Franklin Graham's right to judge who is Christian and who is not

The Bible is very clear on this concept. Judge not lest ye be judged. He should abide by the principles outlined in the Bible if he wants to purport that he himself is a Christian, not re-write them.

God gives us all free will. We can become followers; we can become disbelievers -- whatever we feel is the right decision for us as individuals. And under much Protestant philosophy, it is God's job to judge us, not man's. Franklin Graham knows this but chooses not to abide by it. It is pretty disingenuous.

So this raises the question, if God allows man the right of free will, why can't Republicans?

Sam

PS In this Country we do not abide by Islamic law. If that culture dictates that the child of a father who is a Muslim is in fact a Muslim, the individual has the right to embrace or reject that concept as his gift of free will bestows that prerogative upon him.

[yellowcanine]

32. Also begs the question of who is Franklin Graham to judge who is a Christian or not?

Very unChristian of him to do so, I would say since Christ himself said, "judge not, lest ye be judged", and "let he who is without sin cast the first stone." etc.

[Atman]

19. Consider posting this as a separate thread.

Thanks! It needs to be seen, as the religious right begins its full-fledge assault on freedom and common sense.

[flpoljunkie]

20. Just posted.

[Fortran]

25. Gee, thanks. Now I get to go bleach my eyes and ears...

[ChairmanAgnostic]

38. It is worth watching. Frank is a creep. period. But

He does have a few followers.

[Fortran]

40. Yes, I did watch it...hence the bleach.

Yikes

[ChairmanAgnostic]

41. and yet, there are hundreds of people who donate their $$$ to him.

for no other reason than he told them to give him cash so they can go to heaven.

[Fortran]

43. Long ago, I worked for a buy who was a total letch and horndog. He exploited his employees

for years and became obscenely wealthly. A few years after I managed to get away from that job, I learned he had given several million dollars to a well-known televangelist shortly after being diagnosed with terminal something-or-other...in an apparent last-minute hope of rising instead of descending. If I weren't an atheist, I'd pity him.

[PotatoChip]

26. Wow. Franklin Graham had to backtrack all over the place.

I'm glad they called him on it.

Thanks for the link.

[spanone]

23. when joe gets back, he'll set the panel straight and apologize to the 'reverend'

[yellowcanine]

29. "he is considered a Muslim under Islam." - I thought Christians such as Mr. Graham did not accept

religion by inheritance. Individual salvation and all that. Mr. Graham is attempting to carry on Billy Graham's ministry which was based entirely on individual salvation so it is extremely ironic to say the least that he would be spouting "Obama is a Muslim because his father was a Muslim" nonsense.

[MoonRiver]

31. It was great!

You could hear "wow" in the background after each of Graham's blatantly hypocritical, double-standard comments. Obama "says" he's a Christian, so I guess I believe him, but Santorum is definitely a Christian, don't need to just take him at his word. OMG!

[DemocratSinceBirth]

34. A Few Random Thoughts

1) What Billy Graham said about Jews was despicable but it is mitigated, somewhat, by the fact that he apologized and he was in the presence of the evil one.

2) As to glbtq issues, Billy Graham's thoughts, sadly, are boilerplate for main line Christians. I read an interview where he said he wouldn't oppose civil unions and he didn't go out of his way to attack them. He's no Rick Santorum.

3) Even during Jim Crow Billy Graham refused to preach to segregated audiences and he was friends with Dr. King.

4) Franklin Graham is much more right wing and partisan than his father.

5) And most importantly and as a Christian, a lapsed one at times, what he said about Presdent Obama being a Muslim is patently offensive to me. A Christian is anybody who accepts Jesus Christ as his savior, whether he be Jew, Greek, or gentile. I'll add anyhthing else.

[vssmith]

42. Do you remember the parable of the Pharisee and the Publican that Jesus told?

Franklin Graham could play the part of the Pharisee