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dipsydoodle

(42,239 posts)
Sun Jul 28, 2013, 06:24 AM Jul 2013

Special report: 'In vitro' beef - it's the meat of the future

A week tomorrow, at an exclusive west London venue, the most expensive beefburger in history will be nervously cooked and served before an invited audience. Costing somewhere in the region of £250,000, the 5oz burger will be composed of synthetic meat, grown in a laboratory from the stem cells of a slaughtered cow.

The scientist behind the "in vitro" burger believes synthetic meat could help to save the world from the growing consumer demand for beef, lamb, pork and chicken. The future appetite for beef alone, for instance, could easily lead to the conversion of much of the world's remaining forests to barren, manicured pastures by the end of this century.

The precious patty will be made of some 3,000 strips of artificial beef, each the size of a rice grain, grown from bovine stem cells cultured in the laboratory. Scientists believe the public demonstration will be "proof of principle", possibly leading to artificial meat being sold in supermarkets within five to 10 years.

Stem cells taken from just one animal could, in theory, be used to make a million times more meat than could be butchered from a single beef carcass. The reduction in the need for land, water and feed, as well as the decrease in greenhouse gases and other environmental pollutants, would change the environmental footprint of meat eating.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/special-report-in-vitro-beef--its-the-meat-of-the-future-8735104.html

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Special report: 'In vitro' beef - it's the meat of the future (Original Post) dipsydoodle Jul 2013 OP
If it tasted good, I'd buy it. MADem Jul 2013 #1
I eat it once a year Warpy Jul 2013 #26
I probably get it about four times a year! MADem Jul 2013 #30
Nope. My meat of the future grazes happily a mile from my door on nice open grassland. peacebird Jul 2013 #2
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I "shop" at my neighbors farm, buying half a cow and a quarter pig on the hoof once a year. peacebird Jul 2013 #13
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It's not a GMO Cirque du So-What Jul 2013 #9
I understand, but the "nutrition filled broth" reminds me of the pink slime we heard about recently peacebird Jul 2013 #14
Pink slime is the little teeny bits of meat stuck to bones, that is wrestled free MADem Jul 2013 #31
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I agree that creating GMOs is not inherently evil Cirque du So-What Jul 2013 #21
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Soon after the Big Invitro Mac debuts Skink Jul 2013 #3
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I think agriculture is responsible for 20% of GHG emissions. Amak8 Jul 2013 #5
You are correct Cirque du So-What Jul 2013 #10
Thrilled Happyhippychick Jul 2013 #8
I can't wait to see the TV commercials for this LastDemocratInSC Jul 2013 #11
i'll have to tell my vegetarian friends that won't eat "anything that thinks". stlsaxman Jul 2013 #12
They will undoubtedly agree that scientists need to start thinking Berlum Jul 2013 #15
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It depends on the cost Yo_Mama Jul 2013 #16
As a vegetarian I would eat it. RebelOne Jul 2013 #20
I think that is the view that many would take. dipsydoodle Jul 2013 #23
In vitro beef is grown from living animal cells aristocles Jul 2013 #28
Sadly, I think they are far, far off from that. flvegan Jul 2013 #29
To quote the great Lewis Black: Initech Jul 2013 #22
Food is already processed to the umpteenth degree. mick063 Jul 2013 #25
The issue is going to be texture SA-Bound Jul 2013 #27
No thanks. Although I DID have a yummy veggie hot dog today at kestrel91316 Jul 2013 #32
...until it gets infected with prions.... n2doc Jul 2013 #33

MADem

(135,425 posts)
1. If it tasted good, I'd buy it.
Sun Jul 28, 2013, 06:40 AM
Jul 2013

I'm not a big beef eater, but every once in a blue moon I enjoy a steak. If it's a fake steak grown in a lab, it reduces the guilt over killing the cute little cows...

Warpy

(111,367 posts)
26. I eat it once a year
Sun Jul 28, 2013, 06:09 PM
Jul 2013

during the first cold snap when I crave it. I ate a steak last year, prepared simply with a chipotle rub, pan seared and finished in the oven. It was grass fed beef so I couldn't cut it with the side of a fork, but it was good.

Still, if this goes into production, it's likely to produce very lean beef that is super tender without being loaded with an unhealthy amount of fat. The environmental impact will be lower and the suffering involved with becoming meat will not be an issue.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
30. I probably get it about four times a year!
Sun Jul 28, 2013, 06:20 PM
Jul 2013

Usually when some other sport is picking up the check! Heh, heh!

I hope they clone that kobe beef--that's some nice stuff, but crazy-expensive right now!

peacebird

(14,195 posts)
2. Nope. My meat of the future grazes happily a mile from my door on nice open grassland.
Sun Jul 28, 2013, 06:41 AM
Jul 2013

The whole Star Trek idea of replicator food makes me feel like gagging. We all know how "good for you" GMO crops are (not). Can't wait to read the unbiased scientific studies about this mess.

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peacebird

(14,195 posts)
13. I "shop" at my neighbors farm, buying half a cow and a quarter pig on the hoof once a year.
Sun Jul 28, 2013, 09:52 AM
Jul 2013

We don't eat beef or pork every day, and use the meat as a side dish or "condiment" to the grains and veggies. That said, I will still avoid petri-dish products just as I avoid grocery store pink slimed 'beef'.

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Cirque du So-What

(25,989 posts)
9. It's not a GMO
Sun Jul 28, 2013, 09:09 AM
Jul 2013
How do they make it?

Extraction: Dr. Mark Post and his team at the University of Maastricht in the Netherlands, take muscle stem cells from living cattle through biopsy.

Cultivation: The cells are placed in nutrient broth-filled petri dishes that help the cells to grow.

Expansion: The cells are attached to biodegradable scaffolding platforms where they are “exercised” to promote bulk growth and are then stretched upon Velcro boards.

Combination: The 3000 muscle strips and approximately 200 fat strips are minced together to created synthetic hamburger meat.

http://www.pbs.org/newshour/extra/2013/04/ill-have-the-test-tube-burger-please/

Nothing in there about modifying the DNA whatsoever.

peacebird

(14,195 posts)
14. I understand, but the "nutrition filled broth" reminds me of the pink slime we heard about recently
Sun Jul 28, 2013, 09:57 AM
Jul 2013

Did't the industry have a nice healthful sounding description for that as well? And inChina some enterprising souls found they could add melamine to milk so it tested as higher in protein... Sadly plastic 'protein' didn't work out so well for the babies who drank it.

Let's just say I do not trust corporations (who *will* put profit margins above safety), and who will be determining how to produce this "meat" at the lowest possible cost.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
31. Pink slime is the little teeny bits of meat stuck to bones, that is wrestled free
Sun Jul 28, 2013, 06:23 PM
Jul 2013

by tossing an ammonia product on 'em, and then whirled in a blender and mixed up with lips, noses and arseholes and other unsavory chunks.

It's not stem cells in a nutrient base.

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Cirque du So-What

(25,989 posts)
21. I agree that creating GMOs is not inherently evil
Sun Jul 28, 2013, 05:18 PM
Jul 2013

but I accept the possibility of some modifications causing health problems, even after clinical trials show no ill effects from consuming them. It's the effects that may not show up for years which concern me. Yes, there's far too much woo out there regarding GMOs, but as the technology advances, it's increasingly likely that Big Ag will become more cavalier with their modifications.

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Cirque du So-What

(25,989 posts)
10. You are correct
Sun Jul 28, 2013, 09:14 AM
Jul 2013

Consumption of water resources and pollution of those same waters must also be considered.

LastDemocratInSC

(3,652 posts)
11. I can't wait to see the TV commercials for this
Sun Jul 28, 2013, 09:39 AM
Jul 2013

Instead of dusty, tired cowboys grilling steaks around the chuck-wagon after a long day of cow punching ... geeks in lab coats sitting around a table eating from petri dishes with pickle forks.

stlsaxman

(9,236 posts)
12. i'll have to tell my vegetarian friends that won't eat "anything that thinks".
Sun Jul 28, 2013, 09:49 AM
Jul 2013

this stuff will never have been consiousness.

not to rub their faces in it but to honestly ask how they feel about this.

Response to Berlum (Reply #15)

Yo_Mama

(8,303 posts)
16. It depends on the cost
Sun Jul 28, 2013, 10:27 AM
Jul 2013

If they can't make it cheaper than "real" meat, this isn't going anywhere.

US per capita meat consumption has been declining for years now, and the projection is for a continued decline (second to last page in this USDA outlook):
http://www.ers.usda.gov/media/949018/ldpm221.pdf

Most of that is because households can't afford to buy as much.

RebelOne

(30,947 posts)
20. As a vegetarian I would eat it.
Sun Jul 28, 2013, 03:28 PM
Jul 2013

I do not eat anything with hair, fur or feathers and would welcome synthetic meat. I have had a desire for a good fillet mignon and it would be nice to have it when if I knew that the animal was not killed.

flvegan

(64,419 posts)
29. Sadly, I think they are far, far off from that.
Sun Jul 28, 2013, 06:16 PM
Jul 2013

In vitro burger is one thing (thousands of beef "rice pellets&quot mashed into a burger like ground chuck. A "cut" of meat, with marbling and whatnot...I don't know about that. Hopefully, if this goes over well, they will go further with it and eventually they get it right for all beef from burgers to ribeyes.

I don't think I would eat it, regardless. The thought turns my stomach. No in vitro swordfish? Let me at it!

Initech

(100,107 posts)
22. To quote the great Lewis Black:
Sun Jul 28, 2013, 05:26 PM
Jul 2013

"I've seen how this ends. And it ends with Charlton Heston running down the street screaming SOYLENT GREEN IS PEOPLE!!!!!!!"

 

mick063

(2,424 posts)
25. Food is already processed to the umpteenth degree.
Sun Jul 28, 2013, 06:02 PM
Jul 2013

And I have been eating it. I would prefer to go back in time and eat a Wendy's or KFC from the 70's, but those days are long gone. You young folks would have died for a 1976 Wendy's burger. I lived off of them.

I'll eat these stem cell burgers as well. I'm hoping they don't get mixed into pink slime.

 

SA-Bound

(13 posts)
27. The issue is going to be texture
Sun Jul 28, 2013, 06:10 PM
Jul 2013

I have no doubt that they can "grow" a substance that tastes like beef and has the same nutritional statistics.

We're used to eating muscle fiber, even when it's ground up. I think this is where they're going to have the greatest issues.

 

kestrel91316

(51,666 posts)
32. No thanks. Although I DID have a yummy veggie hot dog today at
Sun Jul 28, 2013, 07:53 PM
Jul 2013

Slaw Dogs. But there is no pretense that it is actually meat.

You can keep your laboratory-grown Soylent Petri.

n2doc

(47,953 posts)
33. ...until it gets infected with prions....
Sun Jul 28, 2013, 08:06 PM
Jul 2013

viruses, and bacteria. I know what to expect from big ag/big meat.

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