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The Straight Story

(48,121 posts)
Mon Jul 29, 2013, 09:00 PM Jul 2013

Former whistle-blowers struggling

WASHINGTON – The former high-ranking National Security Agency analyst now sells iPhones. The top intelligence officer at the CIA lives in a motor home outside Yellowstone National Park and spends his days fly-fishing for trout. The FBI translator fled Washington for the West Coast.

This is what life looks like for some after revealing government secrets — blowing the whistle on wrongdoing, according to those who did it; jeopardizing national security, according to the government.

Heroes or scofflaws, they had to get on with their lives — as Edward Snowden eventually will. The former NSA contractor, who leaked classified documents on U.S. surveillance programs, is now in Russia, with his fate in limbo. The Justice Department announced last week that it will not seek the death penalty in prosecuting him, but he is still charged with theft and espionage.
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Down a few pegs

Peter Van Buren, a veteran foreign service officer who blew the whistle on waste and mismanagement of the Iraq reconstruction program, most recently found himself working at a local arts and crafts store and learned a lot about “glitter and the American art of scrapbooking.”

“What happens when you are thrown out of the government and blacklisted is that you lose your security clearance and it’s very difficult to find a grown-up job in Washington,” said Van Buren, who lives in Falls Church, Virginia, and wrote the book “We Meant Well: How I Helped Lose the Battle for the Hearts and Minds of the Iraqi People.” “Then, you have to step down a few levels to find a place where they don’t care enough about your background to even look into why you washed up there.”


http://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2013/07/29/world/former-whistle-blowers-struggling/#.UfcP8hhEr2R

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Former whistle-blowers struggling (Original Post) The Straight Story Jul 2013 OP
Everyone should read this article. And to think it's only about a snappyturtle Jul 2013 #1
kick frylock Jul 2013 #2
Such is the nature of whistleblowing Skidmore Jul 2013 #3
And the powers that be want people to know, that not only is it possible to do hard prison time, louslobbs Jul 2013 #4
K & R !!! WillyT Jul 2013 #5
I lost my job because I blew the whistle OnyxCollie Jul 2013 #6
That truly sucks and I'm sorry it happened to you. kas125 Jul 2013 #7
I thought I could make a difference by speaking out. OnyxCollie Jul 2013 #8
Absolutely!! kas125 Jul 2013 #9
Absolutely!! kas125 Jul 2013 #10
Hi OnyxCollie Hula Popper Jul 2013 #12
Kick! nt snappyturtle Jul 2013 #11

snappyturtle

(14,656 posts)
1. Everyone should read this article. And to think it's only about a
Mon Jul 29, 2013, 09:30 PM
Jul 2013

handful of the known whistleblowers. It's a disgrace. Should be on
M$M but of course we know that won't happen.

Skidmore

(37,364 posts)
3. Such is the nature of whistleblowing
Mon Jul 29, 2013, 10:19 PM
Jul 2013

regardless of tbe system in which it occurs--large or small. The sysem preserves itself. I lost a career for whistleblowing. Shunning andisolatio followed by expulsion and blacklisting. All whistleblowers struggle to piece together their lives afterwards.

louslobbs

(3,235 posts)
4. And the powers that be want people to know, that not only is it possible to do hard prison time,
Mon Jul 29, 2013, 11:12 PM
Jul 2013

but they will also find themselves unemployable. And with only low level employment available, their standard of living suffers and they begin to struggle as most never have before. This is what the PTB want out there, do not even think of outing us, or we will destroy you. Keep your mouth shut, tow the line, hear no evil, see no evil and definitely, speak no evil, or we will destroy you. Fear is what keeps most people in line, specifically fear of the loss of a job in most cases and in the worst cases, fear of the loss of freedom. How many people really want to mess with the all powerful American government or on a lesser scale, mess with their employers? Go ahead, go out and protest something, somewhere, and let you employer find out that you were arrested for protesting......even if the charge in your arrest is bogus......see how well that goes.

Better yet, whistle blow on your boss about something you know about, and have proof of, that they are doing that is illegal. Give it a shot, and in my business, the minute the charge goes out, all of those who can't afford to lose their high paying entertainment positions, will close ranks in a minute and swear that nothing like that has ever happened and that you are nuts.........enter the black list and your ability to get a job in this industry will be zero to none..............I've seen it happen, and there are several people who tried to take a stand against a producer or director, who are very good at what they do, that I can never, ever employ under any circumstance. There are just no positions available to them. I hate it, I think it stinks, but that's the game with it's unwritten rules. You may very well be doing the right thing, but there will be a great cost for doing it.

As I sit here and type, I know of a director who has gotten several of his family members into the various unions, he hires them for his productions, they collect union paychecks from which ever show we are currently working on, but you never see these people doing any work during the production. Imagine the wife of the director getting $3500 per week and having the title of Post Production Supervisor doing no work at all and every time you go up to their house during the workday to pick up something the director sent you up there for, she's out by the pool sunning herself and getting her nails done by the side of the pool.

Imagine the director, who controls the budget of a particular show, hiring his buddy who is an IT person and paying him $5000 per week to head up the IT department on a certain production. Imagine that IT person creating invoices, allegedly for things related to the production but they're really not, and the director submitting these invoices for payment from the production budget that he controls for these fake items and no one calling him out on it ever, for fear of losing their well paid union positions.

Most of the people I work with, can earn between $1750 -$10,000 per week depending on the production and their position on staff for that production. I generally earn between $5000-12,500 per week as production supervisor or unit production manager depending on the show and deal memo signed for that production. How likely am I to open my mouth about any of the theft I witness by those who employ me.............not likely, in fact, it will never happen........I'm not willing to throw 27 yrs. of hard work down the drain, and so I remain silent about the theft I know about, so that I don't find myself on a blacklist and unemployable. And so sadly, I am part of the problem. I wish that we would all just say enough and strike, but that's not really practical since for every job opening, hundreds appyl.....Scabs gotta Scab and for people who haven't worked in a while, they'd be happy to jump in and save the day for the employers and themselves, however, that would destroy any impact that a general strike could have.

So sadly, we know the game, and we play by their rules if we want to keep our jobs. Do I wish it weren't like this......yes.......I couldn't even join the march for Tray von recently for fear of getting involved in something that might get me arrested and of course, someone would out me to my boss...........and though I don't think he would fire me, he would definitely remind me, about how fast I could lose all that I have worked so hard for all these years........and I'd know exactly what he was implying.

So I sneak on to DU during late hrs at work as a lurker, and on my own time, I log in to comment and support this community wherever and whenever I can. And yet the voice in my head still reminds me of the things I know and out of fear, will never disclose.......and I just have to find a way to be with that every single day of my life in order to protect my livelihood and it really fucking sucks.
Lou

 

OnyxCollie

(9,958 posts)
6. I lost my job because I blew the whistle
Mon Jul 29, 2013, 11:36 PM
Jul 2013

on my boss's reckless and unethical business practices. It was the highest paying job I ever had.

I can relate.

kas125

(2,472 posts)
7. That truly sucks and I'm sorry it happened to you.
Tue Jul 30, 2013, 12:00 AM
Jul 2013

I don't know you, but I want you to know that what you post here makes me know that you are a good person and someone I'd be proud to call a friend in real life. Sometimes having scruples and doing what's right isn't appreciated or rewarded, but at least you can live with yourself and be proud of who you are, which is a lot more than the people you blew the whistle on can do.

 

OnyxCollie

(9,958 posts)
8. I thought I could make a difference by speaking out.
Tue Jul 30, 2013, 12:12 AM
Jul 2013

But, similar to Edward Snowden's fear, nothing changed.

My boss was still an asshole and my coworkers were still miserable. Eventually he got fired when his life fell apart, but I had no part in that.

Years later I saw someone who looked like him walking across a parking lot in a different part of town. When mentioning it to a former coworker, I was told that he had moved to that area, and that could have been him. Had I known that, I probably would have tried to run him down with my car.

Still want to be my friend?

kas125

(2,472 posts)
10. Absolutely!!
Tue Jul 30, 2013, 02:25 AM
Jul 2013

There have been people that I'd have probably run over with my car if I'd had the opportunity, although the when my ex did something absolutely horrible (kidnapped our kid and disappeared to another state) and bikers offered to kill him for me, I said no, please don't, I couldn't live with that. But I did have to consider it before deciding....

 

Hula Popper

(374 posts)
12. Hi OnyxCollie
Tue Jul 30, 2013, 02:23 PM
Jul 2013

I did the same regarding environmental violations. Job Termination. After 35 years in an industry I loved. Couldn't get an interview. 3 years of extending court and I finally gave up. Unemployed since '98, 15 years of no interviews. Yes , highest paid job ever had.
I'll ride as passenger when you see your old boss. I'll pick songs, you control volume!!!!!!
Its interesting that sociopaths rule, while sad though.

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