Beyond his Moscow airport limbo, indignities await Edward Snowden

[ProSense]

Beyond his Moscow airport limbo, indignities await Edward Snowden

By Carol J. Williams

Invasive tests for the AIDS virus and other sexually transmitted diseases. A bed in a provincial refugee hostel and little prospect of a decent job. That is what NSA leaker Edward Snowden can expect if and when he is allowed out of Moscow's Sheremetyevo airport to await word on his application for temporary refuge, Russian media observed in a flurry of articles and commentaries Monday...Russia Today network and the official Itar-Tass news service were replete with admonition and doom-filled forecasts. The warnings seemed to suggest that Russian officials, rather than making a no-win decision between extraditing Snowden to Washington or granting him temporary asylum, are simply dragging their feet in hopes that the political albatross decides on his own to end his monthlong limbo in the bowels of Moscow’s main international airport.

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Snowden will have to register his whereabouts with police at all times and will probably be limited to finding a room in a processing facility for asylum seekers far from the capital.

“There are no such facilities in Moscow, and ones in the vicinity have been flooded with refugees escaping the Syrian conflict,” human rights lawyer Elena Ryabinina told the Gazeta.ru online newspaper. She said the nearest one with vacancy was probably Perm, 600 miles east of Moscow and the site of one of Russia’s most notorious prisons.

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“I don’t think it is good for Snowden to travel freely in Russia, as he is a wanted man,” said the migration service press secretary, Vladimir Volokh. He observed that outside of the airport, “his personal security cannot be guaranteed.”

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http://www.latimes.com/news/world/worldnow/la-fg-wn-edward-snowden-russia-indignities-await-20130729,0,7854604.story

Are they, the Russian media, trying to scare him?

When It Comes To Extraditions, Russia Often Cooperates
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023356456

[burnodo]

1. are you concerned about Snowden now?

Why, that's very nice of you.

[ProSense]

2. Are you? What do you make of the Russian articles?

I appreciate trying to shift the focus to me, but it really isn't necessary.

[Iliyah]

48. China = Hong Kong

Used Snowden to pour the idea of "freedom" against the USA all the while doing the opposite. China's government set up protest with newspapers gleefully tearing down America's democracy aided by some here in the US with certain persons backing them. China then sends Snowden to Russia which Russia knew his coming.

[Cha]

28. The article isn't about ProSense "guaranteeing his safety outside of Sheremetyevo

airport".. Snowden put himself in the position.

Newsflash.. PS had nothing to do with Snowden going to Russia. that's on snowden.

[BeyondGeography]

3. Those pesky resume points

“The risk of giving a job to Snowden is that he already showed his disloyalty to the employer once,” said Yelena Semenova, a deputy director for personnel management at the Informzashchita company, a name that translates as “information defense.”

Grim article. Russia has an extradition treaty; it's called Russia.

[msongs]

4. lol attack the messenger avoid the message nt

[ProSense]

7. LOL! [Insert irrelevant one-liner here]

[CakeGrrl]

56. Tell it to the author of the article.

The issue of NSA surveillance is going to be addressed when Congress gets off its ass, not here by people snarking on a message board.

As to the 'messenger', it's funny to see people go to such extreme lengths to protect him. He made his bed. Tough beans that some people actually notice that.

[delrem]

65. I think a lot of people are *thanking* the messenger.

They can't do diddly to "protect him". So there are no "extreme lengths" that they go to "protect him".\
But we fucking *CAN* thank him, as many do.

[JackRiddler]

5. Enjoying yourself, are you?

Did you do one of these schadenfreude threads describing the traitorous Manning's solitary confinement in a brightly lit cell without clothing or a sheet?

You must have done one all thrilled about Assange being stuck indoors for so many months, didn't you?

[ProSense]

6. Yes. It's not as hot as a week ago here. You? n/t

[Arctic Dave]

8. We can always count on you.

What? I like doin this. Aaaaaaaaaya

[ProSense]

9. I can always count on you kicking my threads.

Thanks.

[Arctic Dave]

12. They are a level teh sadz that everyone should see.

[ProSense]

15. And the self-portraits are priceless.

[ProSense]

19. You shouldn't admit that. Seems weird.

[Arctic Dave]

21. So says the GG obsessor.

Is this new or have you always had this thing for a while?

[Cha]

80. ProSense exposes Greenwald for the fucking Idiot he is..

he's made himself the news.

You are weirdo obsessed and insulting to a long time member who you don't agree with.. spewing out bully taunts like you're on some play ground.

[flamingdem]

10. Russians seem to be flailing about on Snowden decision

Looks like they want to keep their options open a tad longer.

http://www.voanews.com/content/russian-migration-official-says-snowden-may-be-in-danger/1712091.html

MOSCOW — A Russian Federal Migration Service official said he believes it's best that former U.S. National Security Agency contractor Edward Snowden remain in Moscow's Sheremetyevo Airport because he is a wanted man and is safer there. The United States has promised Russia it will not seek the death penalty if Snowden is returned to America to face espionage charges.

Former NSA contractor Edward Snowden has been holed up in Sheremetyevo Airport for more than a month as he awaits temporary asylum in Russia.

Snowden’s lawyer says his application for asylum has been submitted to Russia’s Federal Migration Service, or FMS, and it’s now a wait and see situation.

Vladimir Volokh, head of the FMS's public council, said if Snowden leaves Sheremetyevo, Russia can’t guarantee his safety.

"I don't think it is good for Snowden to travel freely in Russia, as he is wanted now," Volokh said, adding that he thinks the safest area for Snowden is to remain in the transit area at the airport or in areas under the jurisdiction of the FMS.

* aw they wanna keep Eddie safe so thoughtful.. yet somehow claustrophobic..

[Cha]

30. hell, it could be safer for Snowedem in the "bad ol USA".. but, I don't

think eddie wants to come back with his tail between his legs.

[flamingdem]

42. The dude is in deep do-do

That much seems certain!

[Cha]

59. Deep do-do of his own making.. Ripley's Believe Or Not

Award for "Just how much Hypocritical Propaganda can one Libertarian hacker/leaker flaunt before his motives are suspcious?"

Oh, and he could "spy on POTUS" but, it's all POTUS' fault?

[treestar]

11. He didn't have to register with the government here

That is before he decided to sell our information behind our backs.

[flamingdem]

14. There's no reliable explanation for why he gave hacking intel to

the Chinese. What did he hope to gain? Greenwald said he did it to ingratiate himself with them. Uh, what! They didn't really want him hanging around anyway.

[Mojorabbit]

58. I am sure you can back up your assertion that he has sold information.

I can't imagine you would just make that up and post it on this board. I would love to see your resource for that statement.

[flamingdem]

68. You know he told the Chinese newspapers about hacking in Beijing and in

Hong Kong right? That is public knowledge.

[Mojorabbit]

70. The poster said he sold information. nt

[treestar]

96. I can just say it like posters here keep using the word "spying"

and claiming all the phone lines are wiretapped when they aren't. Exaggerate for effect. Turnabout is fair play. He's getting a hotel room at the very least. What's he given in return? And he keeps threatening.

[Mojorabbit]

97. So you made it up. nt

[Gravitycollapse]

13. Cha-ching.

[ProSense]

16. Bada-bing!

Whee!

[Gravitycollapse]

20. ProSense anthem: C.R.E.A.M by Wu Tang Clan.

[ProSense]

34. Really, that's lame. Give it up. n/t

[Cha]

31. Jury results of a similiar stupid reply to ProSense's OPs..

"How much do you get paid for these posts?"

Over-the-top accusation the OP is paid to post on DU. This accusation is repeatedly hurled at Prosense (and not at others who post just as much and sometimes more). If anyone has proof that this is true I'd like to see. Otherwise it's a baseless, rude lie. Please hide. Thank you.

A randomly-selected Jury of DU members completed their review of this alert at Thu Jun 27, 2013, 04:28 PM, and voted 6-0 to HIDE IT.

Juror #1 voted to HIDE IT and said: Yeah, I know it won't be hidden. I'm consistently voting to hide these though.
Juror #2 voted to HIDE IT and said: ProSense should get paid for these posts. She puts a lot of work into the research so I don't have to. So, Hide the personal attack and pay ProSense.
Juror #3 voted to HIDE IT and said: No explanation given
Juror #4 voted to HIDE IT and said: This kind of baseless accusation adds nothing to the conversation.
Juror #5 voted to HIDE IT and said: Too strong of a personal attack. Suggesting that the op is being paid to post on DU is very offensive.
Juror #6 voted to HIDE IT and said: The constant picking on ProSense is what is pathetic. I find the blind adoration of Snowden pathetic. I also find it pathetic when people stifle freedom of speech with ridiculous accusations.

Thank you.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023112872#post9

[usGovOwesUs3Trillion]

40. maybe times are a changing

[Cha]

45. Nope. It's still a stupid bully taunt.

[Pretzel_Warrior]

18. Notice nothing in the way of substantive comments aboutnLA Times article

What is hilarious are Snowdenites in the thread who say people are attacking the messenger instead of dealing with the message, but virtually every post where ProSense links to a news source advancing the story, they attack the messenger.

[ProSense]

22. LOL!

They likely don't think they're obvious.

[Gravitycollapse]

24. If I give you my resume, can you forward it to your people? I need some extra income.

[msanthrope]

25. They already know all about you. They are monitoring this thread, right now! nt

[Gravitycollapse]

26. Oh good. So should I just expect a call?

[msanthrope]

27. You gotta do some work on spec, first. nt

[mindwalker_i]

36. I've never commented on such a thing

But in this case, there seems to be one message that stays the same regardless of any new information. That message is some variant of Snowden sucks, people who like Snowden suck, people who like what Snoden did suck and besides we knew everything anyway.

[Cha]

32. Mix Snowed'em hypocrites with ProSense and

Hilarity ensues. rofl

[4bucksagallon]

33. Bingo! That's what I have noticed too.

[Scurrilous]

81. Hah!

Excellent observation!

[muriel_volestrangler]

88. What is there 'substantive' to say about it?

It's an insubstantial article. How, in any way, does this 'advance the story'? It tells us nothing about the NSA, what Obama proposed to do about it, how allied countries are involved in the surveillance, or how they are being spied on. It is, instead, at the level of a gossip column - what Snowden's lifestyle will be like if he leaves the airport. It's yet another filler article - both for the LA Times, and ProSense, who seems to have a quota of Snowden stories she has to post here each day. If only she cared about the NSA as much as she cares about Snowden.

That you recommended the lifestyle article shows your judgement of worthwhile reading is lacking.

[ucrdem]

29. An object lesson in futility.

Also in teabaggerism: GG got his book deal, RW pundits hit scandal paydirt, fake-left pundits have been dining out on NSA rage for two months, and Snowden sits like abandoned luggage in a Moscow airport. That's Libertarianism for ya. Strange and sad.

[Cha]

35. "Press Blamed Obama for NSA Spying, But Snowden Claims He Had Authority to Spy on POTUS"

So, either PBO is a very bad "dictator" or Snowden's lying.. oh wait. rofl

That may seem like a strange segue.. but, I'm filing it under "nsa fake rage"..

http://www.politicususa.com/2013/07/28/greenwald-confirms-snowdens-claim-authority-spy-president.html

Libertarianism.. they got theirs Screw everyone else.

[ucrdem]

62. ODS knows no rhyme or reason.

The attacks on ProSense are just one bizarre example. Day in, day out, for posting the best info on the web. In any case the entire spy scandal fell to pieces that first night that Verizon warrant flew around the net. A warrant for metadata collected from business customers is not and never was "spying" or illegal. From thence forward it was always all about Snowball and GG, period. Silly story when you think about the attention it's received, but then Benghazi was overblown too.

[Cha]

78. Poors things are scared of the info getting out on Precious

St Snowed'em, the Martyr.. so they attack ProSense. They stupidly accuse her of getting paid for posting 'cause that's all they can come up.

But, snowden's history and his flighty hypocritical record since abscounding to China is.. Off Limits!!11, they squeal.. "don't attack the messenger111!!" as they're fucking attacking the messenger. rofl

[Number23]

82. I know this might sound like a bit of a platitude but the attacks on Prosense say a HELL of alot mor

about her attackers than her.

For someone who "lacks credibility" and is a "paid shill" she turns these people into panicking fools tripping over themselves to attack her in EVERY SINGLE THREAD that she posts. So much work put into putting down someone with "no credibility." Looks to me that she's got quite a bit of a it and the folks doing the attacking damn sure know it.

[delrem]

37. You seem deliciously happy about all that!

But then, you've gone totally off the rails in your hatred of Greenwald and Snowden, and your desire to be monitored in every detail from birth to death.

You're a real humdinger, that's for sure.

[ProSense]

39. You seem angry that I posted this article.

Snowden decided to go to Russia. You can be upset about the Russian media reports, but I have nothing to do with them.

[ProSense]

43. Oh well. I hope you're able to get over it. n/t

[delrem]

47. I won't.

[ProSense]

51. Try not to let it eat at you. That's not healthy. n/t

[delrem]

53. You aren't a big thing on DU. People have it figured.

Believe me, our nourishment comes from elsewhere.

[ProSense]

54. Doesn't bother me. Not a life's goal.

Seriously, don't let anger consume you.

[delrem]

57. not about me.

You are a leading light! Just note how famous you are on DU.

I mean w.r.t. anger vs G&S.
Not about anything sensible.

You're blowing that anger down the toilet.
You hammered W. for what you're defending now.
Cognitive dissonance is you.

[ProSense]

60. It's about the anger you admit you harbor.

"You are a leading light! Just note how famous you are on DU."

No, a bunch of people who can't stand that others disagree with them and obsessing loudly over it isn't about being "famous."

I'm here posting like everyone else.

[delrem]

64. I'm not angry about you.

I'm aware of you, your posts as "ProSense", and like others I have reactions based partially on the fact that you're *very* prolific. And you have a following of dittoheads. Or, as some call it, "personas". One commonality belonging to all those personas is an equal inability to address the issue of NSA spying. Yours in an entirely ad hominem design.

[ProSense]

66. You're

"I'm aware of you, your posts as 'ProSense', and like others I have reactions based partially on the fact that you're *very* prolific. And you have a following of dittoheads. Or, as some call it, 'personas'. One commonality belonging to all those personas is an equal inability to address the issue of NSA spying. Yours in an entirely ad hominem design. "

...clearly dealing with some issues.

[delrem]

73. OK - I think that's covered.

[Number23]

84. Damn. One post from one poster with a clear agenda about "personas" and you guys are literally

breaking your legs running into threads to toss your new insult around.

I mean this in all honesty -- you guys are absolutely HILARIOUS.

[JI7]

69. and you accuse prosense of being the angry one ?

[delrem]

71. Did I do that? When?

[RetroLounge]

38. indignities?

What, are they making him read your posts?





RL

[delrem]

46. There's something really wierd going on with

the anti-Greenwald, anti-Snowden posters.

They don't even pretend to put up an argument.
It's total ad hominem, lying hatred.
If you disagree, show me an instance when it is not.
They don't present *any* honest account of the actual issues being discussed, even though Obama said he welcomed such a debate. They agree with Michelle Bachmann. The last thing they can do is to explain that. So instead, they get on Michelle's fucking bandwagon and spew hatred of the folk who're telling us the truth.

[usGovOwesUs3Trillion]

44. TORTURE and IMPRISONMENT vs temporary "indignities" hmmm, decisions, decisions...

Edward Snowden is a modern day Paul Revere with a thumb drive full of news that Tyranny is coming!

Edward Snowden's Dad Calls Him 'Modern Day Paul Revere'
http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/edward-snowdens-dad-calls-modern-day-paul-revere/story?id=19554337

Hmmm... who knew who influential a DU meme could be

[flamingdem]

49. Then he took a wrong turn and wound up in Russia!

[usGovOwesUs3Trillion]

50. Edward Snowden is a modern day Paul Revere with a thumb drive full of news that Tyranny is coming!

Edward Snowden is a modern day Paul Revere with a thumb drive full of news that Tyranny is coming!

Edward Snowden's Dad Calls Him 'Modern Day Paul Revere'
http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/edward-snowdens-dad-calls-modern-day-paul-revere/story?id=19554337

Hmmm... who knew who influential a DU meme could be

[MisterP]

52. one day this will happen

[Pretzel_Warrior]

55. I believe you are right

Funny, crazy stuff.

[GlashFordan]

61. Propagandic dribble

Snowden will have government overseers ans security. He will get a cushy "no-show" job at some Russian company where Snowden will be seen as a rockstar by some pro-Kremlin oligarch.

He will have a rockstar life there and will live in Moscow or St Petersburg.

Remember it's important for the Russian government to make it appear everything is rosy for Snowden.

[ucrdem]

63. So news is propaganda now?

Come on. You're getting it for free so try to be gracious.

[ProSense]

67. .

[CakeGrrl]

74. When it doesn't pay homage to the greatness

that is the heroic Snowden, it's all drivel/propaganda/b.s.

(Otherwise known as an unpleasant dose of reality. The U.S. is so oppressive? Then welcome to Russia.)

[usGovOwesUs3Trillion]

79. most of the time

and definitely this hit piece

[Socal31]

76. Quite the imagination you have.

The Rooskies want nothing to do with him. I can back that up with statements by the Russian government. What do you have to backup your nonsense?

[Scurrilous]

86. Rockstar life?

[snooper2]

91. And after a week the Russian mafia will pick him up

[CakeGrrl]

72. So, the reality of where he IS is being acknowledged

While people cheer him on from the comfort of an internet forum in a country whose government increasingly repulses/shames/frightens them by the day...but not yet so much that THEY feel the need to seek asylum from the tyranny, though some say they trust NO representative of said government.

Okey doke.

[darkangel218]

75. LMAO!!

Another Snowden thread??

[DevonRex]

77. Those reports are happening for a reason. Two choices.

Either they want him to move on, as in this is his cue to leave soonest.

And/or they're setting up the cover for his disappearance from the sparsely populated region around Perm.

To be in a processing facility away from Moscow is to be unsafe. He would do well to remember his history, as recent as 2003.

[JI7]

83. i'm pretty sure they want him gone, if Putin didn't hate Obama i think they

would already have sent him back . they had some fun sticking it to Obama and i'm sure took whatever was in his computers and now he has overstayed .

[Number23]

85. Putin has been really open about the fact that he wanted nothing to do with Snowden

He hates America but this situation would be a nightmare for any country.

And I agree they probably took every bit of info they could from Snowden's computers. Russia may be a lot of things, but stupid ain't one of them. You don't get to be KGB if you're stupid.

[DevonRex]

98. Putin

will have to put the fear of the KGB in Snowden at some point along the way. It might have been done right after he turned down their first conditions for asylum. Since Snowden seems to have changed his tune after that. But Vlad doesn't give second chances often. To an American he can't trust? Well...

To that point, Snowden's fate is in the balance. Surely he wouldn't be stupid enough to exact revenge on Russia similar to the way he did to us. If so, he's a dead man.

[cali]

87. what's, er, interesting is the relish some take in the prospect

of Edward Snowden suffering.

[ProSense]

89. Did

"what's, er, interesting is the relish some take in the prospect of Edward Snowden suffering."

...those cheering the fact that he voluntarily fled the country and then flew to Russia care about "prospect" of him "suffering"?

I mean, I would have advised him against doing so.

[cali]

90. Judging from their comments, yes. yes, pro, they did.

of course, you would have, but not to spare him any suffering. far from it, as YOUR comments make crystal fucking clear, pro.

[ProSense]

92. Oh please

"Judging from their comments, yes. yes, pro, they did. of course, you would have, but not to spare him any suffering. far from it, as YOUR comments make crystal fucking clear, pro."

...spare me the fucking self-righteous act. Cheering his flight to Russia was naive.

[reformist2]

93. Would it kill you to post something POSITIVE about Snowden???

Your negativity towards him is actually getting to be pretty amusing.

[ProSense]

94. You post it, and stop worrying about what I post. n/t

[reformist2]

95. I'm not worried - I find it highly amusing.

[Brickbat]

99. Many of those "indignities" are standard for any foreigner who is there longer than 90 days.

If you're working or studying there, you need an HIV test and, like all residents of Russia, have to register your papers with the local police.