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ProSense

(116,464 posts)
Tue Jul 30, 2013, 10:51 AM Jul 2013

Howard Dean Has an Excuse. Allyson Schwartz Doesn’t.

Howard Dean Has an Excuse. Allyson Schwartz Doesn’t.

Posted on July 30, 2013 by Jon Geeting #

Howard Dean is getting paid by health care providers to say the Independent Payment Advisory Board won’t work. That is what he does for a living now: leveraging his credibility with liberals to get bad information about health care further past their bullshit detectors than a regular hospital spokesperson could. Jonathan Cohn reminds us what Howard Dean has been up to since leaving the DNC:

Since his career in politics ended, Dean has found a home in the K Street establishment he once held in such disdain. He’s a strategic adviser to McKenna, Long, and Aldridge, a major Washington lobbying firm whose clients have included health care and pharmaceutical companies. Dean has never registered as a lobbyist, as far as I know, but the distinction is largely illusory. In 2009, one CEO told the publication BioCentury that Dean was “very helpful” in their efforts to loosen federal regulations on drug development.” Another said that “Dean has been a great addition to our team.” It looks like he still is.

The reason the fight over the IPAB is so silly is because we already have a health care payment advisory board. It is called the Specialty Society Relative Value Scale Update Committee. That is who sets prices and reimbursement rates for Medicare and Medicaid now. But they are not a government board. They are a board at the American Medical Association, where they are not the least bit accountable to the taxpayers. Naturally, the prices they think providers should be paid are laughably high, but so far this has gone unchallenged.

So IPAB is an effort to bring in other stakeholders (insurers, providers, health economists, patient advocates, and other experts) to do the same basic thing and break the RUC’s strangehold. But in one of the more disappointing water-downs, Congress decided that this counterweight to the RUC would only come into being if the Affordable Care Act’s cost control targets weren’t being hit. And Congress is allowed to overrule IPAB if they can find equivalent savings.

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What is not clear to me is why Allyson Schwartz hates the IPAB so much, and wants to let the AMA set reimbursement rates for the public insurers. Though she recently voted with the Democrats against the latest Republican attempt to kill off IPAB, she keeps giving opposition quotes to reporters every time House Republicans go after this. And she is still introducing bills to increase the prices public insurers pay to providers in the country with the highest health care costs in the world.

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http://www.keystonepolitics.com/2013/07/howard-dean-has-an-excuse-allyson-schwartz-doesnt/


Howard Dean Sells Out: Monday Health Care Lobbyist Smackdown Weblogging

The government already sets rates for Medicare, through the RVS and the RUC process.

The Independent Payment Advisory Board--IPAB--is an attempt to set rates in a less-stupid and more evidence-based way.

Thus Howard Dean claiming that "the ACA's rate-setting won't work", thereby telling his readers that the creation of IPAB introduces rate-setting into some equilibrium of free-market prices for Medicare, is Howard Dean being mendacious to try to protect the profits of the clients of McKenna, Long, & Aldridge. It is not Howard Dean weighing in on public policy trying to make America a better place.

Shame on Howard Dean. Disgraceful.

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http://delong.typepad.com/sdj/2013/07/howard-dean-sells-out-monday-health-care-lobbyist-smackdown-weblogging.html

Dean is getting slammed for this bogus position.

Howard Dean Attacks Important Piece Of Obamacare (updated 3x)
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023364911

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Howard Dean Has an Excuse. Allyson Schwartz Doesn’t. (Original Post) ProSense Jul 2013 OP
Kick! n/t ProSense Jul 2013 #1
horseshit. cali Jul 2013 #2
Saying "horeshit" doesn't change the fact that Dean is siding with Republicans on a BS proposal ProSense Jul 2013 #4
Having a similar opinion does not mean "siding with" GiaGiovanni Jul 2013 #10
He specifically ProSense Jul 2013 #11
Stating a fact doesn't mean "siding with" GiaGiovanni Jul 2013 #12
Calling for the repeal of the panel is bogus. It's based on mischaracterizations and RW spin. n/t ProSense Jul 2013 #13
I will never understand the mentality behind extremie partisanship. cali Jul 2013 #3
What does that have to do with the fact that Dean is wrong? n/t ProSense Jul 2013 #6
because YOU say so? lol, pro. cali Jul 2013 #8
No because he's siding with Republicans on a bullshit repeal. ProSense Jul 2013 #9
Howard Dean has become a lobbyist mick063 Jul 2013 #5
it's a damn shame :( AtomicKitten Jul 2013 #24
Kick! n/t ProSense Jul 2013 #7
This is disingenuous Bunnahabhain Jul 2013 #14
Nonsense ProSense Jul 2013 #16
Indeed, Nonsense. You seem to specialize in it. Bunnahabhain Jul 2013 #18
It's really hard ProSense Jul 2013 #20
+100 nt Mojorabbit Jul 2013 #28
barack obama "sides with republicans" quite often yet you never criticise him lol. nt msongs Jul 2013 #15
Do you support the repeal of the panel? ProSense Jul 2013 #17
Obama's personal pockets aren't lined with cash from Big Pharm nt geek tragedy Jul 2013 #27
I'm at a loss because it looks like the learned Dr. Dean doesn't even know how the IPAB works. great white snark Jul 2013 #19
It's spin. n/t ProSense Jul 2013 #21
Interesting to see the Greenwald fan club also defending Dean in this. pnwmom Jul 2013 #22
Yet this is a RW effort. n/t ProSense Jul 2013 #23
This is really disappointing. AtomicKitten Jul 2013 #25
this is kinda of weird.. I remember Cha Jul 2013 #26
Tweet from Jon Chait on Dean Cha Jul 2013 #29
Horsehockey. 30+ years in healthcare administration at not-for-profit hospitals .... Scuba Jul 2013 #30

ProSense

(116,464 posts)
4. Saying "horeshit" doesn't change the fact that Dean is siding with Republicans on a BS proposal
Tue Jul 30, 2013, 11:27 AM
Jul 2013

He's misrepresenting the IPAB.

 

GiaGiovanni

(1,247 posts)
10. Having a similar opinion does not mean "siding with"
Tue Jul 30, 2013, 12:28 PM
Jul 2013

unless you're so partisan that you can't see how good Democrats could disagree.

ProSense

(116,464 posts)
11. He specifically
Tue Jul 30, 2013, 12:31 PM
Jul 2013

"Having a similar opinion does not mean 'siding with'"

...mentioned the Republican efforts in Congress to repeal the panel.

His mischaracterization mirrors the Republicans'.

 

GiaGiovanni

(1,247 posts)
12. Stating a fact doesn't mean "siding with"
Tue Jul 30, 2013, 12:34 PM
Jul 2013

Until they're breaking bread together and sharing the same funding streams, I'll hold off on accusations. You should too.

 

cali

(114,904 posts)
3. I will never understand the mentality behind extremie partisanship.
Tue Jul 30, 2013, 11:27 AM
Jul 2013

I keep thinking it can't be possible to have such a simplistically bifurcated mind.

Evidently it is.

ProSense

(116,464 posts)
9. No because he's siding with Republicans on a bullshit repeal.
Tue Jul 30, 2013, 12:10 PM
Jul 2013

Do you support repealing this panel?

 

Bunnahabhain

(857 posts)
14. This is disingenuous
Tue Jul 30, 2013, 12:40 PM
Jul 2013

The RUC does not set rates but rather makes recommendations to CMS. CMS sets the rates. The new IPAB would have the force of law behind it.

This is a huge distinction and to represent a special committee from the AMA as the same as a governmental panel with the power of law behind it is just plain lying.

ProSense

(116,464 posts)
16. Nonsense
Tue Jul 30, 2013, 12:47 PM
Jul 2013

"The RUC does not set rates but rather makes recommendations to CMS. CMS sets the rates. The new IPAB would have the force of law behind it."

The IPAB would perform the same function with Congressional oversight.

"This is a huge distinction and to represent a special committee from the AMA as the same as a governmental panel with the power of law behind it is just plain lying."

Not only is that an inaccurate claim based on the OP (which states, "But they are not a government board&quot , but it also makes no sense. You seem to be opposing the IPAB because it will have the "force of law behind it."



 

Bunnahabhain

(857 posts)
18. Indeed, Nonsense. You seem to specialize in it.
Tue Jul 30, 2013, 12:53 PM
Jul 2013

From the OP:

The reason the fight over the IPAB is so silly is because we already have a health care payment advisory board. It is called the Specialty Society Relative Value Scale Update Committee. That is who sets prices and reimbursement rates for Medicare and Medicaid now. But they are not a government board.


This is inaccurate. They do not set the rates now. The make suggestions to CMS and CMS modifies the suggestions per their own discretion. Also, it is inaccurate to say the RUC sets Medicaid rates as this is done on a per state basis by the states themselves.

Right now we have a board of specialists making suggestions to a government entity that makes the final decision regarding CPT codes. The new plan is for a panel of government appointees to set the rates. This is clearly not the same and the OP clearly portrayed them, per my above quote.

After reading your posts yesterday I know you are immune to facing your own mistakes in accuracy so I'll pre-emptively wish you a great day!

ProSense

(116,464 posts)
20. It's really hard
Tue Jul 30, 2013, 01:00 PM
Jul 2013
From the OP:

The reason the fight over the IPAB is so silly is because we already have a health care payment advisory board. It is called the Specialty Society Relative Value Scale Update Committee. That is who sets prices and reimbursement rates for Medicare and Medicaid now. But they are not a government board.

This is inaccurate. They do not set the rates now. The make suggestions to CMS and CMS modifies the suggestions per their own discretion. Also, it is inaccurate to say the RUC sets Medicaid rates as this is done on a per state basis by the states themselves.

...to take you seriously. You previously claimed:

"This is a huge distinction and to represent a special committee from the AMA as the same as a governmental panel with the power of law behind it is just plain lying."

As the snip shows, the OP didn't make that claim.

You're also trying to use semantic to make a distinction. The AMA board and the IPAB both make recommendations. The IAPB will be more accountable because, as you acknowledge, it will have the "power of law behind it."

Why do you object to the IPAB, but not the AMA entity?

great white snark

(2,646 posts)
19. I'm at a loss because it looks like the learned Dr. Dean doesn't even know how the IPAB works.
Tue Jul 30, 2013, 12:59 PM
Jul 2013

Bad understanding, bad position, bad all around.

 

AtomicKitten

(46,585 posts)
25. This is really disappointing.
Tue Jul 30, 2013, 01:32 PM
Jul 2013

I appreciate you posting the facts on this. It is what it is ... truly unfortunate. I was hoping he'd take another shot at the WH.

Cha

(297,274 posts)
26. this is kinda of weird.. I remember
Tue Jul 30, 2013, 03:08 PM
Jul 2013

back in the day, Pro.. during the primary fights of 2004, when you were a Kerry supporter and I was a Deaniac. And, now I'm all about supporting Kerry's efforts and I'm wondering wth with Dean.

From your kos link..

That, Brad Delong lamented, "is Howard Dean being mendacious to try to protect the profits of the clients of McKenna, Long, & Aldridge." As Jonathan Cohn made clear in the New Republic:

It was a ridiculous accusation. As a briefing from the Kaiser Family Foundation explains, Obamacare explicitly prohibits IPAB from "submitting proposals that would ration care, increase taxes, change Medicare benefits or eligibility, increase beneficiary premiums and cost-sharing requirements, or reduce low-income subsidies under Part D."




Cha

(297,274 posts)
29. Tweet from Jon Chait on Dean
Tue Jul 30, 2013, 09:16 PM
Jul 2013

Jonathan Chait ✔ @jonathanchait

Howard Dean: Don't call me a shill just because I'm paid by clients to take their side on policy. http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2013/07/howard-dean-i-am-not-a-shill.html

Howard Dean is miffed that his Wall Street Journal op-ed calling for the repeal of the Independent Payment Advisory Board, part of Obamacare, has made him the subject of scorn from people like me. Dean is a lobbyist — sorry, a “lawyer” — for McKenna Long & Aldridge, a K Street lobbying firm that represents numerous health-care interests. The former populist tells Kate Pickert that it’s unfair that critics would assume he’s taking this position because his clients are paying him to, merely because he happens to have a job that consists of taking positions his clients want him to take in return for money.

http://theobamadiary.com/2013/07/30/chat-away-208/#comments
 

Scuba

(53,475 posts)
30. Horsehockey. 30+ years in healthcare administration at not-for-profit hospitals ....
Wed Jul 31, 2013, 08:00 AM
Jul 2013

... tells me Dr. Dean is right and ProSense is misguided on this issue.

Improving the ACA is the goal, and it certainly needs lots of improvement.

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