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The Straight Story

(48,121 posts)
Tue Jul 30, 2013, 10:59 AM Jul 2013

Ark. district arming more than 20 teachers, staff

CLARKSVILLE, Ark. (AP) — As Cheyne Dougan rounded the corner at Clarksville High School, he saw three students on the floor moaning and crying. In a split-second, two more ran out of a nearby classroom.

"He's got a gun," one of them shouted as Dougan approached with his pistol drawn. Inside, he found one student holding another at gunpoint. Dougan aimed and fired three rounds at the gunman.

Preparing for such scenarios has become common for police after a school shooting in Connecticut last December left 20 children and six teachers dead. But Dougan is no policeman. He's the assistant principal of this school in Arkansas, and when classes resume in August, he will walk the halls with a 9 mm handgun.

Dougan is among more than 20 teachers, administrators and other school employees in this town who will carry concealed weapons throughout the school day, making use of a little-known Arkansas law that allows licensed, armed security guards on campus. After undergoing 53 hours of training, Dougan and other teachers at the school will be considered guards.

http://bigstory.ap.org/article/ark-district-arming-more-20-teachers-staff

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DreamGypsy

(2,252 posts)
3. It's not entirely clear from the article, but the "shooting" described is a training scenario...
Tue Jul 30, 2013, 11:26 AM
Jul 2013

...not something that actually happened.

From the USA Today report on the subject:

Recent training included a mock shooting in which Cheyne Dougan, assistant principal of Clarksville High School, pulled his 9mm handgun and fired three times to bring down a student holding a fellow classmate at gunpoint.




A photo of the exercise is available here:
A Clarksville schools faculty member, wearing a protective mask carries a practice handgun during an active shooter drill in the city's high school in Clarksville, Ark., as students portray victims.
 

nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
4. 53 hours of training...
Tue Jul 30, 2013, 11:31 AM
Jul 2013

Well it is better than none.

Nope, I can't imagine what could go wrong, and I hope it never does.

 

Lizzie Poppet

(10,164 posts)
8. That's not an inconsiderable amount.
Tue Jul 30, 2013, 11:45 AM
Jul 2013

However, it wasn't clear how much of that training was in marksmanship and other tactical elements and how much was training in the law, etc. Federal Air Marshals (the standard to which I think educators should be trained, given the close, crowded confines of a classroom) get two weeks of training in law and procedures, then another two weeks of tactical training...then have to pass a very difficult combat marksmanship test.

This is my biggest issue with arming educators. How many have the inclination and the time to attain that level of skill and to maintain it with consistent, regular practice? For most people who do that, it's a full time job.

 

Politicalboi

(15,189 posts)
5. Yes, he carries the gun till
Tue Jul 30, 2013, 11:32 AM
Jul 2013

10 or 20 students tackle him and take it. What could go wrong. I would take my kid out of schools that allow such insanity. Guns DON'T belong in school.

denverbill

(11,489 posts)
10. I hope none of the folks who support this are outraged when the first accidental killing occurs.
Tue Jul 30, 2013, 12:13 PM
Jul 2013

Maybe a kid who finds an unattended weapon, or a teacher who reaches into her purses and accidentally fires the gun.

It isn't a question or if, it's only when.

meow2u3

(24,764 posts)
11. I can see disaster in the making
Tue Jul 30, 2013, 12:18 PM
Jul 2013

Worst-case scenario:

Teacher: Sit down and do your classwork.
Student: Hell, no, teach, I won't.
So teacher pulls out a pistol and plugs the student right in front of classmates.

 

kestrel91316

(51,666 posts)
12. I cringe to think that they will be "responsible" gun owners like so many others and leave
Tue Jul 30, 2013, 12:47 PM
Jul 2013

loaded weapons where minors can get to them.........

 

rdharma

(6,057 posts)
13. There is bound to be an "accidental discharge" involving one of these nimrods sooner of later.
Tue Jul 30, 2013, 07:29 PM
Jul 2013

Let's hope it's not a fatal one.

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