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Are_grits_groceries

(17,111 posts)
Tue Jul 30, 2013, 03:14 PM Jul 2013

Russian lawmaker: We will arrest gay athletes, tourists at Olympic Games

'Gay propaganda' law co-sponsor says he is unconcerned about a US visa ban, saying: 'I've spoken to US politicians, and they support my stance'

A Russian lawmaker has said the ‘gay propaganda’ law will remain enforced during the Sochi Winter Olympic Games in 2014. Vitaly Milonov, co-sponsor of the ‘non-traditional relationships’ bill, said the government cannot decide when to selectively enforce the law.

It comes as the International Olympic Committee said the Russian government had ‘assured’ them all athletes and spectators will be safe from arrest.

Speaking to Interfax and as translated by GSN, Milonov said: ‘I have not heard any comments from the government of the Russian Federation but I know it is acting in accordance with Russian law.

‘If a law has been approved by the federal legislature and signed by the president, then the government has no right to suspend it. It doesn’t have the authority.’
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They better get their shite together.
This is an international incident waiting to happen.

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Russian lawmaker: We will arrest gay athletes, tourists at Olympic Games (Original Post) Are_grits_groceries Jul 2013 OP
Now the games are worth boycotting. Luminous Animal Jul 2013 #1
Russia was already worth boycotting, but this will surely give the boycott a boost MNBrewer Jul 2013 #21
Yep... PatrynXX Jul 2013 #39
Do it. Fucking do it and then see what happens. Brickbat Jul 2013 #2
my best bet is nothing will happen. if they imprison someone he will be released La Lioness Priyanka Jul 2013 #6
@#$% Russia. Scurrilous Jul 2013 #3
I am starting to wonder if the Russians want to call this Olympics thing off.... MADem Jul 2013 #4
I, sadly, share your "irritating fear." Behind the Aegis Jul 2013 #8
What better way to "up" the Russian medal count? MADem Jul 2013 #13
I wasn't even thinking of that, I was thinking more of... Behind the Aegis Jul 2013 #14
That too...but Pootie Poot's reputation is that he keeps a tight rein on his reign... MADem Jul 2013 #22
Perhaps we should call it what it reall is...a Progrom. Behind the Aegis Jul 2013 #24
Boycott the games... one_voice Jul 2013 #16
I was against a boycott, despite my feelings about the Russian law. Behind the Aegis Jul 2013 #18
I think you're expressing a very appropriate balance. While the hatred, violence, petronius Jul 2013 #32
Well the the Olympic Committee had another option davidpdx Aug 2013 #50
South Korea should be given the chance to do it right, like everyone else. MADem Aug 2013 #51
The only way splitting it up would work is among European countries davidpdx Aug 2013 #54
They have anti-gay laws on the books and Pootie is in favor of enforcement. MADem Aug 2013 #55
Yeah it is davidpdx Aug 2013 #56
So much for figure skating. TexasTowelie Jul 2013 #5
No Tchaikovsky at the skating rink either? BeyondGeography Jul 2013 #7
So they have GOP assholes there too. Rex Jul 2013 #9
wow? you think that mentality came about with the advent of the GOP? cali Jul 2013 #10
No, but I see they have the same stupid anti-human agenda as the GOP. Rex Jul 2013 #12
Well, thats one way... Lancero Jul 2013 #11
They should lose the bid to host future games then. Initech Jul 2013 #15
cold blooded Puzzledtraveller Jul 2013 #17
Well, it's a way to increase their medal count Warpy Jul 2013 #19
Russia should be banned from participating in the next Summer/Winter games (16'/18'). Dawson Leery Jul 2013 #20
Vitaly Milonov will get caught with gay prostitutes in 3-2-1... Archae Jul 2013 #23
Sometimes a cigar is nothing but a cigar...and... Behind the Aegis Jul 2013 #25
Every year some well-known and rabid homophobe gets caught. Archae Jul 2013 #26
And every year, we have rapid homophobes who aren't caught because they are heterosexuals. Behind the Aegis Jul 2013 #29
Hear, hear! theHandpuppet Jul 2013 #37
+1000! theHandpuppet Jul 2013 #36
Vlad, you idiot DonCoquixote Jul 2013 #27
You've got some SERIOUSLY funny GIFs there! burnodo Jul 2013 #28
is this the same one who called for Public Beatings of Gays ? JI7 Jul 2013 #30
As much as I like Stoli, it's on my boycott list until further notice. n/t backscatter712 Jul 2013 #31
kick Behind the Aegis Jul 2013 #33
boycott--the safety of the athletes must be the number one concern dembotoz Jul 2013 #34
I would think the next step for GOP is to arm the athletes functioning_cog Jul 2013 #35
Psssssst - hey Russia: Chipper Chat Jul 2013 #38
This isn't about the safety of gay Olympic athletes. It's about Russia's homophobic laws. YOHABLO Jul 2013 #40
It's interesting that the far right anti-gay civil liberties has ut oh Jul 2013 #41
How do Russians know who's gay or not ? Lugal Zaggesi Jul 2013 #42
Boycott it now. nt awoke_in_2003 Jul 2013 #43
Politicians pontificate. randome Jul 2013 #44
Oh damn ! dusty trails Jul 2013 #45
I think we should leave it up to the athletes. roamer65 Jul 2013 #46
Milonov is threating Putin's Olympics profits. I wonder how he likes his polonium with his cereal? TeamPooka Jul 2013 #47
The guy's got issues... Spitfire of ATJ Jul 2013 #48
BOYCOTT THE OLYMPICS blkmusclmachine Aug 2013 #49
K&R DeSwiss Aug 2013 #52
He's probably gay himself SummerSnow Aug 2013 #53

PatrynXX

(5,668 posts)
39. Yep...
Wed Jul 31, 2013, 12:15 PM
Jul 2013

I hate boycotting the games but if they do this they'll leave other countries with no choice. if anyone shows up

 

La Lioness Priyanka

(53,866 posts)
6. my best bet is nothing will happen. if they imprison someone he will be released
Tue Jul 30, 2013, 03:29 PM
Jul 2013

after some bargaining.(i say he as more than likely it will be a gay man and not a woman). nothing will change with the law itself and no nation will interfere in this.

the best thing that could have happened is if we boycotted but that too won't happen

MADem

(135,425 posts)
4. I am starting to wonder if the Russians want to call this Olympics thing off....
Tue Jul 30, 2013, 03:26 PM
Jul 2013

Being abusive so that no country with a halfway decent human rights record (and their "friends in commerce" who may not be quite so inclusive but who understand which side their bread is buttered on) will want to send their people to the Games for fear of arrest, is one way of getting the thing cancelled.

The Russians (read: Pootie Poot) might just tell the Olympic committee, "Fuck it, go to some other country that built up for the Olympics in years past, no one wants to come to our party!"

It will be interesting if we gradually learn there is more unrest in the Sochi region than we're learning from Pootie's "fair and balanced" Big Green RT.

I have an irritating fear that Sochi is a nightmare waiting to happen. People keep referencing BERLIN '36, but my mind keeps drifting towards MUNICH '72...but with extra-special 21st Century horror.

Behind the Aegis

(53,957 posts)
8. I, sadly, share your "irritating fear."
Tue Jul 30, 2013, 03:29 PM
Jul 2013

If this article is correct, then I would support a boycott of the Olympics. As it stands, I do not. The Olympics are not supposed to be about politics, but if our (really, any gay athletes/spectators) are at risk, then it should be yanked from Russia or suffer a worldwide boycott.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
13. What better way to "up" the Russian medal count?
Tue Jul 30, 2013, 03:46 PM
Jul 2013

Just arrest any competitor in a close contest on "suspicion of being gay."

We know they cheat, they were famous for juicing back in the day.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
22. That too...but Pootie Poot's reputation is that he keeps a tight rein on his reign...
Tue Jul 30, 2013, 04:57 PM
Jul 2013

You have to wonder if he doesn't "allow" some crime to happen. I know I do. I don't think all this "homophobic law" talk AND violence against the Russian LGBT community are happening in isolation from one another. It doesn't seem coincidental to me at all--it seems orchestrated.

Kind of like a warning shot on the one hand, and a teapot whistling on the other...gotta let the thugs blow off a little steam, and maybe even tell them how to do it...?

Behind the Aegis

(53,957 posts)
24. Perhaps we should call it what it reall is...a Progrom.
Tue Jul 30, 2013, 05:11 PM
Jul 2013

At least that is how I am feeling about recent events regarding the GLBT community in Russia.

Behind the Aegis

(53,957 posts)
18. I was against a boycott, despite my feelings about the Russian law.
Tue Jul 30, 2013, 04:29 PM
Jul 2013

The Olympics should not be about politics, it should be about friendly competition and ability. That said, if the Russians are going to arrest gay athletes/spectators, then the games should be yanked or boycotted. Given the recent violence against gays (especially gay youth) in Russia, I really do fear something very nasty could happen.

to you! Been thinking of you!

petronius

(26,602 posts)
32. I think you're expressing a very appropriate balance. While the hatred, violence,
Tue Jul 30, 2013, 05:55 PM
Jul 2013

and bigotry bubbling up in Russia are far from trivial, the Olympics ought to be an event distinct from internal and international conflict. However, if the Russian government allows the event to be coopted by the anti-gay elements - as is seeming to be the case - then it should be boycotted.

At this point, given the public statement from someone in the government, I'd expect a very clear expression from a higher level that the safety, comfort, and dignity of all participants will be strictly respected at the games (back-channel "assurances" don't cut it)...

davidpdx

(22,000 posts)
50. Well the the Olympic Committee had another option
Thu Aug 1, 2013, 12:54 AM
Aug 2013

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when they voted for Russia. Yet they still the site. Pyeongchang (South Korea) lost by four votes and will be hosting the Winter Olympics in 2018. I'm wondering if they shouldn't be speeding up the infrastructure projects in case Russia's plans fall apart. One of the largest projects is a high speed rail line between Seoul and the site in the east.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
51. South Korea should be given the chance to do it right, like everyone else.
Thu Aug 1, 2013, 01:27 AM
Aug 2013

I'd rather see them split up the events if they couldn't fit it all in one place; like say, have the ice skating in Norway, and the skiing - luge stuff in Canada, and the gymnastics any-old-where, rather than give Pootie the play. They could do a huge TV ceremony, with big screens at the different locations--it would be a tech challenge, but interesting nonetheless.

The venues they would choose would have to be "equality friendly" of course!

davidpdx

(22,000 posts)
54. The only way splitting it up would work is among European countries
Thu Aug 1, 2013, 03:58 AM
Aug 2013

since so many sit close together. It would be hard to make it economically feasible with sites too far away from each other. The host countries already spend way too much money as it is.

We get our chance 5 years from now and I may take the train out and go to one event just to be able to say "I've been to the Olympics".

As far as "equality friendly" I find it ironic the country that people have been praising for its treatment of Edward Snowden want to arrest anyone they think is gay at the Olympics. The Olympics is suppose to be a politically free environment, yet Putin has refused to observe that tradition. I'd think this would be a legitimate reason for a boycott of the games given any gay athlete would be in fear they'd be thrown in jail. Then again, maybe it's just Putin shooting his mouth off and he'll back down under pressure before the games.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
55. They have anti-gay laws on the books and Pootie is in favor of enforcement.
Thu Aug 1, 2013, 05:12 AM
Aug 2013

I think it's just a horrible situation. Unacceptable, really.

davidpdx

(22,000 posts)
56. Yeah it is
Thu Aug 1, 2013, 05:23 AM
Aug 2013

I can't fathom how the Olympic Committee would allow the games when athletes could be in danger. It's pretty stupid.

If DUers are really for human rights they'll support a complete boycott of Russia until they repeal the laws.

We'll see how the wind blows now that this information is out.

 

cali

(114,904 posts)
10. wow? you think that mentality came about with the advent of the GOP?
Tue Jul 30, 2013, 03:32 PM
Jul 2013

It didn't. Not even close.

 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
12. No, but I see they have the same stupid anti-human agenda as the GOP.
Tue Jul 30, 2013, 03:34 PM
Jul 2013

IOW, there are assholes in all countries more concerned about how you look and your sexuality, then say unemployment or the ever decreasing value of the dollar for average workers.

Lancero

(3,003 posts)
11. Well, thats one way...
Tue Jul 30, 2013, 03:34 PM
Jul 2013

To increase the odds of a Russian athlete winning a event.

Instead of better training for the athlete, just arrest some of the competition.

Initech

(100,076 posts)
15. They should lose the bid to host future games then.
Tue Jul 30, 2013, 04:20 PM
Jul 2013

Until these ridiculous draconian laws are repealed. Let's see how much tourism money they lose.

Warpy

(111,264 posts)
19. Well, it's a way to increase their medal count
Tue Jul 30, 2013, 04:43 PM
Jul 2013

Arrest any foreign athlete deemed to be a threat to Russian wins on the suspicion that s/he is gay. Don't turn him/her loose until after the event.

Honestly, I don't see how any country with gay team members can possibly expose their people to this sort of danger.

Behind the Aegis

(53,957 posts)
25. Sometimes a cigar is nothing but a cigar...and...
Tue Jul 30, 2013, 05:13 PM
Jul 2013

...a heterosexual homophobe is nothing but a heterosexual homophobe.

Archae

(46,328 posts)
26. Every year some well-known and rabid homophobe gets caught.
Tue Jul 30, 2013, 05:18 PM
Jul 2013

I seriously doubt the Russians will be any different.

theHandpuppet

(19,964 posts)
37. Hear, hear!
Wed Jul 31, 2013, 12:08 PM
Jul 2013

Time that people stopped blaming gays for their own victimization. I'm sick of it. Hate crimes just don't happen because the perp identifies with the victim. Yep, there really are heterosexuals that hate GLBTs that much. Face it, people.

DonCoquixote

(13,616 posts)
27. Vlad, you idiot
Tue Jul 30, 2013, 05:21 PM
Jul 2013

You had a golden chance to make the West look bad, thanks to the fact you and your pet Edward Snowden exposed what was hiding under Uncle sam's trousers, but then you go and remind us why people used to fear the Soviets, and also reminded us that Modern Russia is now the Soviet Union without all that egalitarian, leftist, atheist, good stuff.

dembotoz

(16,806 posts)
34. boycott--the safety of the athletes must be the number one concern
Wed Jul 31, 2013, 10:17 AM
Jul 2013

sound like the russkies don't want to ensure that

ut oh

(895 posts)
41. It's interesting that the far right anti-gay civil liberties has
Wed Jul 31, 2013, 02:04 PM
Jul 2013

comrads in Russia...

They're going to love that.

 

randome

(34,845 posts)
44. Politicians pontificate.
Wed Jul 31, 2013, 06:49 PM
Jul 2013

This is no more valid than a Congressman calling Snowden a traitor. They all love to shoot their mouths off.
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roamer65

(36,745 posts)
46. I think we should leave it up to the athletes.
Wed Jul 31, 2013, 08:26 PM
Jul 2013

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Do like Britain did for the 1980 Moscow games. British athletes were allowed to go under the Olympic committee flag they chose. Since we cannot guarantee the safety and well-being of our athletes, it should be their choice. Then we will get to see exactly where each athlete stands on the issue.

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