The right-wing is scared shitless of Hillary Clinton.

[Archae]

Why else would they dredge up old discredited "scandals" that went nowhere?

Fox Turns To 20-Year-Old Debunked Conspiracy Theories To Smear Hillary Clinton

Fox News is using a planned Hillary Clinton miniseries and documentary to revive decades-old lies about the former Senator and secretary of state, reanimating phony 1990s "scandals" including Whitewater, Travelgate, and Filegate. Every so-called scandal Fox is pushing has been thoroughly discredited by numerous independent investigations.

http://mediamatters.org/research/2013/07/30/fox-turns-to-20-year-old-debunked-conspiracy-th/195136

[cantbeserious]

1. Always Stumped By This Perspective Since Hillary Is An Establishment Insider

eom

[Scuba]

2. Nah, it's a red herring. She's their girl.

[sufrommich]

16. Oh bullshit.The right absolutely hates her.nt

[Scuba]

18. You're confusing the rank-and-file with the ones who pull the strings.

[name not needed]

19. Which is why the ones who pull the strings are pulling out the old Vince Foster conspiracies.

[leftstreet]

25. But they're hoping to bring GOP voters out...

... to guarantee a GOP House and Senate

They don't have anyone who can beat Hillary, and they know it

[upi402]

21. Rupert Murdoch held a fundraiser for her

http://www.cbsnews.com/2100-250_162-1600694.html
She'll out-Bush even Obama imho

[leveymg]

47. But, they love her handiwork, particularly the religious wars raging across the Arab world.

Nice work, if you can get it. They just wish it was Condi who could take credit for regime change in Libya and the Syrian civil war.

[Segami]

28. +1000

[DCBob]

3. Even though Hillary is not my first choice as nominee I would absolutely love her to win..

if nothing else to just stick it to those RW fools!

[FiveGoodMen]

4. I don't think they are.

Based on her '08 campaign-trail comments, I think she's just as likely to give them everything they want while handing Democrats the blame as our current president is.

And I think they know that.

[DCBob]

6. You clearly do not understand RW mentality.

The simply cannot stand her or her husband or Obama. They would do anything to stop her from becoming President. Just listen to RW radio time to time.. you will get it.

[cascadiance]

22. The they must comparatively be SCARED TO DEATH if Elizabeth Warren were to win instead...

Ask yourself HONESTLY, who they (the CORPORATISTS) would vote for if they had to vote between Clinton and Warren for president?

It's pretty obvious to most of us. Miss H-1B expansion/Wal-Mart board member/DLC(Koch Brothers)member/attack Iran advocate!

[DCBob]

29. I dont think so.. they doubt she could win.

One of the main things they fear is the Clinton machine and her connections and name recognition. Warren has none of that.

[cascadiance]

31. That was NOT the question I posed! Arguably the corporatists WANT Clinton to be more "realistic"...

... than Warren.

IF Warren were to be the choice for Americans versus Clinton, they would spend TONS of money making sure that Clinton would get elected instead of Warren, because comparatively they would LIKE Clinton to be president more than Warren, and you all KNOW IT!

They try to manufacture these "conflicts" between Clintons/Obamas and the right wing Republicans to try to minimize this chance that they are DEATHLY AFRAID OF!

If you poll people on many issues that Warren would work for such as student loans, health care reform, etc., without the CORPORATE media filters as well as the Washington bought for political machine filtering it, they KNOW that most Americans would vote for Warren!

[DCBob]

34. Huh?? I am simply saying they fear Hillary more than Warren..

for the reasons stated in my previous post. Plus the fact they hate Hillary much much more.. why?.. who knows.. The RW brain works in mysterious ways.

[cascadiance]

37. My question is to make it clear, putting aside probabilities, who would they hate more?...

... Warren or Clinton? You can't evade that question! And if you answer it honestly, which you DO NOT want to do if you favor the DLCers, you'd know that the right would fear far more a Warren as president than Clinton!

We can have a difference of opinion on what their chances are of winning, but that again, is NOT the question I am asking. I'm trying to pinpoint which politician they are more philosophically aligned against. And that is a question that too many Hillary fans here don't want to answer. And they know why, because it doesn't sell her as the candidate we want in 2016.

[DCBob]

41. they dont think that logically.

All they know is that they hate hillary.

[cascadiance]

45. And the corporatists (both Republicans and Democrats) want to engender that...

... and not have people think about the REAL choices we need to make.

They want to make her being a candidate a "sporting event", where they focus on it just being a big hated rivalry, instead of looking at what the real game that we are fighting is about.

"They" is both the Republican Party servants of the corporatist 1%ers as well as the Democratic Party servants of the corporatist 1%ers.

Last election they wanted to make the Democratic Party nomination a way for people to vote for either a person of color, or a woman, or a person they knew had a past that they could (and DID) shut down at any time during the primary process so that they could keep someone like a Kucinich away from being a realistic part of the nomination process. Had there been two white males instead of Obama and Hillary Clinton running on corporatist (or at least not very detailed platforms), and an Edwards type of candidate was exposed before the nomination process started, I would warrant that someone like Dennis Kucinich would have had a far bigger chance at winning the nomination then.

Many of us don't want to have the primary process manipulated again this time around, and those that want substance to win out, and not just win a "football game" should also want to keep us from falling in that trap again.

[DCBob]

70. "Kucinich" "realistic part of the nomination process" Are you kidding?

[Walk away]

32. They definately hate Elizaabeth Warren but they aren't foolish enough to believe she...

would ever win the primary let alone the Presidency.

[MrSlayer]

5. So is the left wing.

I certainly am.

Mrs. TPP herself, no thanks.

[frylock]

14. ^this^

[Marr]

24. +1

[Puzzledtraveller]

27. I know

but so few actually care, it's just about winning, our team kicking the goal.

[matthews]

33. My thoughts exactly. nt

[MuseRider]

7. So am I.

I had hoped to be able to vote for a woman before I died but she has to be a liberal woman to get my vote. Sorry, I like many things about Hillary but I do not want another Clinton or a Bush to be in that office and would love to see someone who was not a DLC, corporate hawk.

[snot]

8. I wish they had reason.

[uponit7771]

9. FUD will try and convince moderate left that they want her in office just like Obama

[Just Saying]

15. What is FUD?

Or TPP?

Just curious. Some people here have their own language it seems.

[Scuba]

23. Fear, Uncertainty and .... Trans Pacific Trade

[meanit]

10. She does know how to fight

which would be sort of refreshing at this point.

[Th1onein]

11. So should be a large part of the leftwing.

I don't like Hillary. At all. She's too corporate for my tastes. Too status quo. I know that's not putting it well, but it's the best I can do on short notice.

I hope the Democratic Party nominates someone else, like Warren, or Conyers, or really, anybody but Hillary.

[functioning_cog]

12. I agree they have nothing new. She's been raked through the coals for decades...

so there's really nothing they can do about that. If they don't have a squeaky clean candidate in the center...they are pwn'd.

[Spike89]

13. Not going to push the needle too far, but

she can push the needle toward the left more than Obama has. She was just slightly to the left of Obama (on policy, but never in perception) during their primary race. I do think Hilary would be better at using the bully pulpit and I do think the Republicans would have more of a problem obstructing her.

I'd love to have a fire-breathing member of the progressive wing of the party as our candidate, but I'm not convinced we can get there without going through another left-center president. Again, I'd love to be proven wrong, but as it is, I'll gladly support Clinton if she's the nominee.

[upi402]

17. 6 years on Walmat's board...

and not a peep about their union abuses. Only spoke up to push for female managers, some environmental issues.

I'd love further info but that douses my fire for her. That and touting NAFTA.

[RedFury]

20. Scared of her?

She's the biggest hawk on the Dem side -- except perhaps Obama himself -- Bush III. If they are not to win, she's their best bet to continuing the Neocon policies.

So no, little to fear the RW from this particular over the top firebrand. Wouldn't be surprised if nukes came into play if/when she is in the WH. Surely she'd want to outdo Thatcher's "Iron Lady" legacy.

No thanks.

[Marr]

26. Hillary Clinton is another DLC 1%er.

She's practically indistinguishable from Obama on that score. Segments of the right-wing despising her doesn't make that any less true.

[cascadiance]

40. And the reason why the DLC has "died" is because it was discovered the Koch brothers funded it!

http://americablog.com/2010/08/koch-industries-gave-funding-to-the-dlc-and-served-on-its-executive-council.html

The Third Way and other entities that replace it try to avoid that reality of that history of their corporatist roots!

[Triana]

30. I know. I love it. Hahahaaa!

[Zorra]

35. Then they would be 1000 times more fearful of Elizabeth Warren. nt

[winter is coming]

48. ^^^ This. n/t

[LeftyMom]

36. A center right hawk who hangs out with The Family?

Pull the other one.

[AtomicKitten]

51. +1

[quinnox]

38. Indeed. Too bad she wasn't elected in 2008

[AtomicKitten]

49. *

[davidn3600]

39. I dont know why. She's a moderate that won't change anything.

[Thinkingabout]

42. All they have is trying to throw dirt on our party candidate. They have not had a good

Candidate for some years. I was a Hillary fan in 2008 but intend to be behind a Democrat in 2016.

[LuvLoogie]

43. A. Elizabeth Warren will not run against Hillary Clinton

B. HRC will have the complete support of Barack and Michelle Obama...AND Liz Warren

C. HRC will be the best candidate to bring in other women and progressives/liberals/dems/people that don't suck
down ticket.

[Niceguy1]

44. they should be

She is the one. With her leadsmership we might be able to win back the house and actually get something done.

[Cha]

46. Yes, they are.. and, they're scareless of Obamacare and anything

Americans like that doesn't include their rw destructive ideology.

[delrem]

50. Seems that a good portion of the left-wing is scared shitless of Hillary Clinton.

Maybe the left/right wings are scared shitless for different reasons.
Left-wing: her economic/foreign policy perspective.
Right-wing: her social rights perspective.

She's a 3rd-way star.

[cascadiance]

55. And ask yourself which of these two categories the CORPORATIST 1% cares about!...

... and then figure out how those Democrats support her are being USED by them!!!

[delrem]

59. Yes, that's the question with the awful answer.

[demosincebirth]

56. Some are too far to the left, and they meet the far right.

[delrem]

61. trite meme. nt

[cascadiance]

62. So how is being against H-1B "indentured servant" program being "far left"!!

I and many IT workers think it is pretty MAINSTREAM that we don't like this! But this is what those corporatists DLC types want just like Orrin Hatch and the Republicans want!

Why do we keep wanting to call those that support corporatists "Democrats" and those that don't support corporatists "far left"? Answer? The corporatist drones here all want to have us labeled "far left" when most of the country is "far left"! It's just hard to know when most of the country only hear a corporatist media that also tells them the same thing.

[delrem]

63. +1

"Why do we keep wanting to call those that support corporatists "Democrats" and those that don't support corporatists "far left"? Answer? The corporatist drones here all want to have us labeled "far left" "

you pinpoint it well, my friend.

[DonCoquixote]

52. Has no one ever considered

That the GOP wants Hillary to win the nomination because they know the worst case is that she gives them what they want, the best case for them is that the Liberals just give up and vote Third party, which for the GOP, is as good as a vote for them?

[dembotoz]

53. why the hell can't we ever get a progressive?????????????????

republicans would love hrc because it would turn their fundraising into a midas gold machine.

republicans hate Clinton almost or perhaps more than they hate obama

[c588415]

54. President Hillary Clinton

Pres. Hillary Clinton 2016 !

[Fumesucker]

57. That makes Hillary a pefect candidate because the left is scared of her too

[cascadiance]

64. Yea, for the corporatists! Most of us will tell them to F off!

The corporatists have been playing this divide and conquer game for years! And it is really sad to see that if some here aren't really trolls that they let this game continue to be played with them!

[mick063]

67. I abstain

from Hillary

[KentuckyWoman]

60. Rupert and Hillary are friends

Both are corporatists who will gladly use Fox to keep us all busy staring at the shiny thing of the week while they help the 1% bleed us dry.

[AtomicKitten]

65. I don't agree with the characterization that

the GOP is afraid of her. That's what HRC advocates claimed the last time and she ended up making a fool of herself in the primary, running a terrible campaign. She raised and blew $100 million by the end of 2007, and didn't bother to plan after Super Tuesday. The GOP has a warehouse full of material to use against her and are concocting a new batch of slime with Benghazi.

Bill Clinton is as always the wild card. HRC had her own people investigate him during the early part of her 2008 campaign finding he was in a "sustained romantic relationship." here: http://thehill.com/capital-living/in-the-know/75363-new-book-claims-bill-clintons-affair-plagued-hillarys-2008-campaign I don't know anybody that wants to go through that soap opera again.

I sincerely hope someone like Al Gore or Howard Dean or Elizabeth Warren throws their hat into the ring.

[Mike Nelson]

66. Clinton-Warren 2016!

Warren/Obama 2024!

[Metric System]

68. Opening thread. Seeing the usual suspects. Closing thread. Blood pressure normal. eom

[PennsylvaniaMatt]

69. The right-wing went absolutely ape-shit when President Obama used the phrase "phony scandals"

...in his speech last week.

They found that would be the perfect opportunity to bring up, among other things,......BENGHAZI!

[B Calm]

71. Their hatred started when Bill was president and she tried to

get National Health Care to pass. They have hated Hillary for a long time.

[Scurrilous]

72. K & R

[woo me with science]

73. Oh, please. She would continue all their policies. nt