So is the govt recording lawful citizens phone calls without a warrant?

[boston bean]

Yes or no?

[think]

1. Why? What did YOU do?

[lapfog_1]

2. if both parties are US citizens

they say they don't.

Now, do you believe them?

[steve2470]

3. I think so, but 1- I can't prove it and 2- depends on the legal definition of warrant

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023382869#post4

My previous related answer above.

[Tx4obama]

4. In one word: NO

[think]

5. Are private contractors part of your interpretation of the govt?

serious question.

[ohheckyeah]

6. Of course they are.

Take what they have admitted to and multiply by 100 and that's what they are really doing.

[think]

7. Only if they find you annoying. But at this point

the shoe is on the other foot...

[ohheckyeah]

10. One of my biggest regrets in life

is having worked for Federal law enforcement. They found me annoying even then.

[winter is coming]

8. +100. n/t

[longship]

9. Nope!

One question. What the fuck would they do with it all?

This is nothing but tin foil hat stuff.

[ohheckyeah]

11. LOL....

they don't really have to need it for anything for them to do it. But, think whatever gets you through the night.

[longship]

17. It's a matter of practicality.

Have you any idea how many phone calls are made in the USA in one day? What purpose would there be to record them all.

Nota bene: this isn't meta-data that can be mined by a computer search algorithm. This is audio. A bit more difficult to handle.

But of course, the NSA is magic and they can do anything. Maybe they have millions of out-sourced employees to listen to all those recorded calls, or maybe their employees study at Hogwarts.


Those claiming that the NSA is recording our phone calls have a steep climb ahead of them to demonstrate that this is even possible let alone presenting documentation that it is.

If you have a well sourced document that this is happening, I will consider it. Otherwise all you have is paranoia, or possibly a Hogwarts story.

I despise this NSA stuff, but the last thing we should do is to start making shit up. It doesn't help us at all to do that.

So let's agree to check sources carefully and not make shit up.

Nobody is recording all our phone calls. It just isn't technically possible and even if it were, no organization would have the resources to handle all of that data. There's just too damned much of it.

[ohheckyeah]

18. Of course they are recording our phone calls.

It is most definitely technically possible and it can easily be turned into text. I never said they were sitting and listening to them - they don't need to.

They had the technology to build a dragon fly sized drone 40 years ago. You can't equate the technology available on the open market to the technology owned and used by the government.

You accuse others of making shit up when you are doing the same thing. You don't know for a fact they aren't recording all phone calls but you're eager to accuse others and make snarky, smart ass comments. That tells me all I need to know.

Bye!

[longship]

19. That's the point. Don't presume.

If you have a credible source that calls are being recorded, I will gladly admit that I was wrong. But I have only seen innuendo from sources which I would hardly call reliable.

Maybe you believe this is happening, but if you consider the sources and, above all, the technical plausibility of what you are suggesting, it frankly comes off as tin foil hat paranoia.

Again, my question is: What would they do with all of it? I'd really love to see what all those NSA analysts do with all the audio from all the phone conversations from USA's teenagers. I'm sure that they would provide a prolific target for international terrorism.

Alas! They are only gobbling up the meta-data. And that's bad enough. You shoot too high, you miss the target. The NSA isn't recording phone calls because it would cost them too much and would provide no value. Plus, it's not even possible, to say nothing about practical.

There is documentation about FISA and the meta-data being vacuumed up by the NSA. Congress has even admitted it. Isn't that enough to get you pissed off? Do you really have to make shit up to be against what is really happening?

Well, maybe not you, but somebody is making shit up. The NSA isn't recording our phone conversations because:

1. It would be technically impractical, possibly beyond technical abilities.
2. It would be extraordinarily expensive.
3. It would just add haystacks to the haystacks where the needle resides.
4. The meta-data provides what they want for much less cost. Plus, it is actually feasible. And it has been documented that the NSA is actually doing this.

Please don't shoot for Mars when we have the Moon in our sights.

The NSA is not recording phone calls because they don't have to. How can people not get this?

[Rosa Luxemburg]

12. We asked this question in 2002 and every year but there was no answer

[Gravitycollapse]

13. If the government said "no," would you trust their answer?

If your answer is no, then what does it matter what the rest of us think?

[boston bean]

14. Don't presume to know what I think.

I tend to think they are..

And the question was directed at DU to help me know if there is proof.

[Gravitycollapse]

15. I never presumed anything. I'm saying that if you don't trust the government...

any amount of proof will be irrelevant. That's an issue worthy of consideration even if you do trust the government. Which, you should not, by the way.

[jazzimov]

16. No.