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kentuck

(111,092 posts)
Wed Jul 31, 2013, 11:48 PM Jul 2013

A serious problem with Congress.

How is it that our elected representatives are sworn to silence on issues that they think are illegal or, at best, inappropriate?

Senators Udall and Wyden said they tried every way in the world to tell the people that something was wrong at the NSA and with the spying on the American people but they were forbidden to talk about the actual details.

How is it that our elected officials are intimidated by the leaders in the House and Senate and by House or Senate rules to abide by such a code of silence? There is something wrong with this picture.

It seems our Congress was coerced into silence? Perhaps they were threatened in some manner or other by the leadership? Perhaps they would not get the committee assignment they wanted? Perhaps they would not get their bill brought to the floor? Perhaps they were threatened with the charge of treason?

But, for whatever reasons, our Congress was prohibited from following their conscience and speaking up about what they thought were clearly questionable practices by our intelligence departments. Only those select few on the intelligence committees had access to the holy grail. Everyone else was more or less excluded. If they were told anything, they were sworn to secrecy.

From the comments by several in the House and Senate, one might think most of the Congress has been held prisoner by the defense and intelligence agencies of our government. It appears that most of the Executive Branch and the leaders of both Parties are nothing more than water carriers for the Defense Department and their related intelligence apparatchik.

One wonders who is really calling the shots? We can hope that the Congress is energized by the exposure of recent information and will stand up for the principles of democracy and for our Constitution. That would be an encouraging sign.

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A serious problem with Congress. (Original Post) kentuck Jul 2013 OP
Who IS in charge? montanacowboy Jul 2013 #1
Cheney Rosa Luxemburg Aug 2013 #4
The Carlyle Group/Booz-Allen are bigger than Cheney. nm rhett o rick Aug 2013 #5
Don't know for sure, but I'm 100% positive that they are 1% filthy rich. nt Zorra Aug 2013 #9
My understanding is as follows.... Swede Atlanta Jul 2013 #2
It's all secret? avaistheone1 Aug 2013 #11
Hmmmm . . . you might want to underthematrix Aug 2013 #3
The only recourse against a member of Congress tritsofme Aug 2013 #6
Anthrax for starters n/t countmyvote4real Aug 2013 #7
I wonder what you would classify our government because it is not a democracy. liberal_at_heart Aug 2013 #8
Plutarchy, also known as Plutocracy Zorra Aug 2013 #10
Secret government, secret laws, secret courts, secret spying ... what a democracy. Scuba Aug 2013 #12
Our Congress, of which Udall and Wyden are members, Skidmore Aug 2013 #13

montanacowboy

(6,085 posts)
1. Who IS in charge?
Wed Jul 31, 2013, 11:52 PM
Jul 2013

that is the question - who manipulates and controls - we don't even know the half of it

 

Swede Atlanta

(3,596 posts)
2. My understanding is as follows....
Wed Jul 31, 2013, 11:56 PM
Jul 2013

When you have been selected to "serve" on certain Congressional committees, you must swear and sign that you will never, ever disclose anything you learn as a result of your service on the target committee if in private session and preferably not in public session.

So our elected representatives have had their nads and tithes constrained by these rules. I'm sorry but these rules are the anti-thesis of an open and transparent democracy.

Our elected reps need to be able to share anything they learn with us because it is only when we the people know what shit our elected leaders and the instruments of government are doing that we can say NO and HELL NO.

Government pricks like to think they are "special" and are not subject to the people. We frigging pay their salaries and lavish benefits. We should of course know what they are doing in our name.

We are in George Orwell's 1984 now...Up is Down, etc.

 

avaistheone1

(14,626 posts)
11. It's all secret?
Thu Aug 1, 2013, 02:44 AM
Aug 2013

Heavens! congressional offices have been found to do insider trading!

That's how they handle secrets.

underthematrix

(5,811 posts)
3. Hmmmm . . . you might want to
Thu Aug 1, 2013, 12:01 AM
Aug 2013

start watching SCANDAL. Season 3 begins Oct. 3rd on ABC. By the way, the NSA is not spying on American citizens. However, they be spying suspected terrorist (international and domestic) who may be American citizens.

tritsofme

(17,377 posts)
6. The only recourse against a member of Congress
Thu Aug 1, 2013, 12:30 AM
Aug 2013

that reads classified information into the congressional record is loss of future access. The other retaliatory options you list are always available to leadership to deal with recalcitrant members. The Speech and Debate clause gives members legal immunity for their actions in Congress.

Zorra

(27,670 posts)
10. Plutarchy, also known as Plutocracy
Thu Aug 1, 2013, 01:43 AM
Aug 2013
Plutocracy (from Greek πλοῦτος, ploutos, meaning "wealth", and κράτος, kratos, meaning "power, dominion, rule&quot , also known as plutonomy or plutarchy, is rule by the wealthy. Its first known use was in 1652.[1] Unlike systems such as democracy or anarchism, plutocracy is not rooted in an established political philosophy and has no formal advocates. The concept of plutocracy may be advocated by the wealthy classes of a society in an indirect or surreptitious fashion, though the term itself is almost always used in a pejorative sense.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plutocracy
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