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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsUltra-Orthodox protesters attack buses in Israel after woman refuses to move to back of a bus
JERUSALEM Israeli police say they have arrested an ultra-Orthodox Jewish man for demanding women move to the back of a bus, sparking protests that saw bus windows smashed.
Police spokesman Micky Rosenfeld says Wednesdays incident occurred in the devoutly religious neighborhood of Beit Shemesh. He says ultra-Orthodox demonstrators in the neighborhood smashed the windows of three nearby buses while protesting the arrest. There were no injuries and no further arrests.
Ultra-Orthodox practice forbids men from touching women, except for their wives, and calls for separating the sexes in public. In recent years, however, hard-liners in the insular ultra-Orthodox community have tried to forcefully impose their will on others.
The ultra-Orthodox represent less than 10 percent of Israels Jewish population, but they have tremendous influence in politics.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/middle_east/ultra-orthodox-protesters-attack-buses-in-israel-after-woman-refuses-to-move-to-back-of-a-bus/2013/07/31/9bd8a7be-f9f1-11e2-89f7-8599e3f77a67_story.html?Post+generic=%3Ftid%3Dsm_twitter_washingtonpost
Gravitycollapse
(8,155 posts)But these assholes deserve a serious ass whooping.
We will probably never gain their respect. But we might yet be able to have their fear.
Ron Obvious
(6,261 posts)A serious ass whooping by female soldiers. Hopefully someone would record it.
Gravitycollapse
(8,155 posts)Ron Obvious
(6,261 posts)By conscripted female soldiers with giant dildos, and with a grudge for having to serve in the first place while certain other ungrateful types are exempt.
Raksha
(7,167 posts)Every Israeli woman who rides the buses, whether she's a soldier or not, should carry a used sanitary pad in her purse and shove it in the face of any ultra-Orthodox asshole who tries to put her in her place, or what he thinks should be her place.
I made this same suggestion a few months back on a Jewish discussion board where I am a regular, in the presence of a couple of haredim (ultra-Orthodox). If these bastards want to use religion as a weapon in their war on women, well...both sides can play that game.
HiPointDem
(20,729 posts)veiling, for example, is promoted by women.
Eleanors38
(18,318 posts)longship
(40,416 posts)It can do good in the world, but it mostly does bad. These are the things that religion does which are extraordinarily bad.
HiPointDem
(20,729 posts)http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haredi_burqa_sect
The other haredi are fighting them; apparently women at the back of the bus is ok but veiled women are anathema. and the government is fighting them too. i can guess why.
Two Distinct Groups with Similar Goals
1.Women who wear shalim. Most of the women who wear them have been influenced by the books of Michael Uri Sofer, a rabbi from Bnei Brak. His wife wears neither a veil nor a shal, and I did not see shalim when I visited the clothing store that operates in his house. Sofer prohibits exposing the neck, wearing high heels, and talking on cellphones (all for women, of course). While the book doesnt advocate shalim, it praises them and recommends layers. Its likely that most of the pamphlets quotes and arguments come from Sofers books. Shalim are already common in certain parts of the country. I havent seen any pashkevilim condemning shalim, although I know many husbands dont like them.
2. Women who cover their faces with veils, wear shalim, and and have taken on additional practices that are in contradiction to Jewish law. These include not bathing more than one body part at a time, not using soap, not breastfeeding, and limiting sexual relations to fertile times (not during pregnancy, for example).
The two groups come from the same population, use similar language, and have similar motives and resources. They both proselytize via pamphlets and even home visits, and there may be easy passage from the first group to the second. But the veil-wearers have become a full-fledged cult with all that it entails. Perhaps the shal-wearers are headed in that direction.
The concept of tzniut has been drummed into the heads of these women with a hammer since they were children: tzniut is the most important commandment for women, it will bring the messiah, and so on. Both groups have taken the concept of tzniut (modesty) to its logical conclusion. Now the established community will try to stop a moving train that has long ago left the station.
http://www.amotherinisrael.com/is-hyper-tzniut-a-twisted-form-of-feminism/
The Straight Story
(48,121 posts)GreatCaesarsGhost
(8,584 posts)hobbit709
(41,694 posts)The only real difference is the name they call their god, the attitudes are identical.