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reformist2

(9,841 posts)
Thu Aug 1, 2013, 08:50 AM Aug 2013

If McDonald's doubled their wages but raised prices, would it make you more or less likely to go?


I have to say, I think I would go more often! I'm not a fast-food person, maybe like one or two times a month, but the goodwill generated by a voluntary move to increase wages would definitely make me think better of the place, and make me more inclined to go there.

If enough of us did this, it could turn the fundamental economic concept of pricing and supply/demand on its head!

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If McDonald's doubled their wages but raised prices, would it make you more or less likely to go? (Original Post) reformist2 Aug 2013 OP
I avoid mcdonalds. their food makes me ill. Though we do go once in awhile. ejpoeta Aug 2013 #1
Greasy Gut Bombs warrant46 Aug 2013 #53
Please people - please don't hijack the thread! LOL reformist2 Aug 2013 #65
i was not soapboxing. i was stating that i don't go there because i get sick when i do. ejpoeta Aug 2013 #110
Sorry. I just replied to you because you were near the top and wanted people to see my post. :) reformist2 Aug 2013 #115
I hate the DU food police. Arrogant! n-t Logical Aug 2013 #121
McHeartburn.... Tikki Aug 2013 #70
It's not just McDonald's liberal N proud Aug 2013 #2
More Kingofalldems Aug 2013 #3
I don't eat there, except under duress, nothing is going to change that. nt bemildred Aug 2013 #4
I still wouldn't eat their crap (too many nutrition issues). . . DinahMoeHum Aug 2013 #5
Given the choice between fast food and a grocery store, kentauros Aug 2013 #6
I haven't eaten at McDonald's in decades. City Lights Aug 2013 #7
In-N-Out already pays much more than any of the other corporate waste merchants, Egalitarian Thug Aug 2013 #8
They don't charge less n't B2G Aug 2013 #37
Actually they charge basically the same price usGovOwesUs3Trillion Aug 2013 #54
Wish they were on the East coast :-( B2G Aug 2013 #72
Me too, had my first burger last week in Cali and it was awesome usGovOwesUs3Trillion Aug 2013 #88
Anything like a double-double at BK or McD is over four bucks. Egalitarian Thug Aug 2013 #91
Their store managers average 100k a year usGovOwesUs3Trillion Aug 2013 #55
Actually, when someone wants a fast burger, I (a vegan) take them to In-N-Out emsimon33 Aug 2013 #106
You don't eat fries? n/t Egalitarian Thug Aug 2013 #119
No fried food emsimon33 Aug 2013 #123
Thanks. No nutrition to speak of, but they are tasty. (Maybe the ketchup?) Egalitarian Thug Aug 2013 #125
I use their urinals often, and still would! Scuba Aug 2013 #9
ROTFLMAO warrprayer Aug 2013 #21
Those golden arches stand for something, you know. Scuba Aug 2013 #24
make me know it! warrprayer Aug 2013 #28
Yes McPotties are handy! n/t peace13 Aug 2013 #31
Don't you feel obligated to at least buy coffee for the service? reformist2 Aug 2013 #78
Nope, my taxes pay for the road to their place, their sewage disposal, police and fire ... Scuba Aug 2013 #80
Hmm, by those standards, you'd be entitled to use everyone's bathroom! reformist2 Aug 2013 #90
No, CostCo pays their own freight, as do other companies and individuals. Scuba Aug 2013 #94
I would be more likely to go A Little Weird Aug 2013 #10
McDonalds also makes me sick edhopper Aug 2013 #11
No I don't eat their crappy food newfie11 Aug 2013 #12
Haven't been to one in 30+ years michreject Aug 2013 #13
I wouldn't go there under any circumstances but if other fast food joints did tularetom Aug 2013 #14
No. I don't eat McDonald's ever for any reason. MrSlayer Aug 2013 #15
We avoid McDonald's. At others we seldom check prices rurallib Aug 2013 #16
I'm the wrong person to ask because I haven't eaten ANY fast food in several years Quantess Aug 2013 #17
Less... Pelican Aug 2013 #18
Well of course it's less. Kingofalldems Aug 2013 #27
Economics... Pelican Aug 2013 #52
Haven't been in a McD's in 25 years and I'm not about to start no matter what. hobbit709 Aug 2013 #19
I had breakfast at corporate Tiffanys warrprayer Aug 2013 #20
Wouldn't make any difference to me. I never go there anyway. n/t RebelOne Aug 2013 #22
I would not poison myself because the poisoner pays well. 1-Old-Man Aug 2013 #23
Less. GreenStormCloud Aug 2013 #25
Less Lee-Lee Aug 2013 #26
I don't eat there....pink slime! n/t peace13 Aug 2013 #29
I enjoy their grilled chicken ceasar salad - lynne Aug 2013 #30
OK, that's interesting to hear. Maybe customers are more price sensitive than I thought. reformist2 Aug 2013 #34
This is being hijacked into a "McDonald's is crap food" thread, LOL reformist2 Aug 2013 #32
I don't think raising the wages would increase the cost of their menu by a lot, i have dined there Thinkingabout Aug 2013 #33
How do you figure? B2G Aug 2013 #36
OR..cause the margins to slim or .. they stop paying their C levels 13;2oi1nj23 4o;123n dollars uponit7771 Aug 2013 #45
Overhead in buildings and property will not need to double, insurance etc will be the same, does not Thinkingabout Aug 2013 #98
Price increases over the years is not the same B2G Aug 2013 #99
Hey, you don't understand Thinkingabout Aug 2013 #120
I don't go now sabbat hunter Aug 2013 #35
I don't go there often because I usually feel sick afterwards NYC Liberal Aug 2013 #38
they'd have to change their menu on top of that and start serving real food...so, no more likely. Spider Jerusalem Aug 2013 #39
Double their wages and cut CEO salaries, NOT raise prices! Greybnk48 Aug 2013 #40
I only go if I forgot to pack a lunch Puzzledtraveller Aug 2013 #41
Dare I say it would have no effect on how much it makes me go Capt. Obvious Aug 2013 #42
Their food is still shit Champion Jack Aug 2013 #43
I like McDonalds for one reason and one reason only Orrex Aug 2013 #44
Their food does suck, but their restrooms are clean, so I stop there to piss when I'm on the road. 1-Old-Man Aug 2013 #48
Same here HarveyDarkey Aug 2013 #67
Ever been to the McDonalds in Yerington, NV? Pelican Aug 2013 #73
McDonalds was a fun, cheap novelty for a long time.. mountain grammy Aug 2013 #46
Most fast food customers are extremely price sensitive jmowreader Aug 2013 #47
What kind of changes are we talking in terms of customers? 10% variations? reformist2 Aug 2013 #50
I'd probably go more Xyzse Aug 2013 #49
NO. The food is crap. n/t Avalux Aug 2013 #51
No JustAnotherGen Aug 2013 #56
Don't eat beef. No. WinkyDink Aug 2013 #57
depends on the price raise alc Aug 2013 #58
I haven't eaten at a McDonalds in over 20 years HarveyDarkey Aug 2013 #59
I don't like to eat there as it is, but it would make me go even less. GalaxyHunter Aug 2013 #60
I only eat at McDonald's when I'm on the road and there are no other options. AndyA Aug 2013 #61
They have tried that over the years lawwolf Aug 2013 #108
After all the negative publicity, it's probably time for a new outlook AndyA Aug 2013 #109
When I have the rare yen for McD's, price is of no concern, so I'm in favor of MotherPetrie Aug 2013 #62
It depends how much they raise prices PowerToThePeople Aug 2013 #63
I'm over fifty. Once every couple of months is enough, if not too much. Iggo Aug 2013 #64
I'd pay $0.68 more for a big mac if it meant $15/hr for workers laundry_queen Aug 2013 #66
They are meticulous about their meat, but most just enjoy bashing them closeupready Aug 2013 #81
10 years ago I used to get the Big Mac meal for $2.99.. Today it's $6.39. tridim Aug 2013 #68
McDonald's could double wages and lower their prices Brother Buzz Aug 2013 #69
Neither... pipi_k Aug 2013 #71
More KamaAina Aug 2013 #74
More likely, of course. closeupready Aug 2013 #75
not really. the only time i eat that stuff is at the rest stops on long road trips dionysus Aug 2013 #76
I know it's awful for you, but I actually love the food. I avoid it now, but would go more Squinch Aug 2013 #77
False Premise 4Q2u2 Aug 2013 #79
I never eat there...I also don't own a TV. ileus Aug 2013 #82
There's an article for you in post # 18. nt msanthrope Aug 2013 #112
The same either way. Morning Dew Aug 2013 #83
The rare occasion I go is for the fish sandwich 2 for 1 special DainBramaged Aug 2013 #84
Currently there's 0 chance I will eat at McD MrNJ Aug 2013 #85
Not a big McD fan but keeping with the thought of this thread... JustFiveMoreMinutes Aug 2013 #86
Yayayay! reformist2 Aug 2013 #100
I read that the cost UglyGreed Aug 2013 #87
yes, although there are very few thing I like at McDonald's arely staircase Aug 2013 #89
No. But I haven't been in a McDonald's in at least 10 years. And I believe I got sick... spin Aug 2013 #92
I am still allergic to their food...so no nadinbrzezinski Aug 2013 #93
The only thing I like there are the smoothies murielm99 Aug 2013 #95
I still wouldn't eat that crap. Vashta Nerada Aug 2013 #96
It's the franchisee's option, isn't it? Buns_of_Fire Aug 2013 #97
A rough tally indicates 20% would go more often, 10% less, and 70% say the food there is crap! LOL reformist2 Aug 2013 #101
I'd still go. McDonald's, though, can be cheap... Drunken Irishman Aug 2013 #102
In theory, yes! Scootaloo Aug 2013 #103
Compared to many other national fast food chains their prices are already high DJ13 Aug 2013 #104
I would probably go in support but more healthy alternatives without GMOs would make me a regular emsimon33 Aug 2013 #105
It would depend on how much they raised prices lawwolf Aug 2013 #107
Much more likely bhikkhu Aug 2013 #111
More likely. The dog loves one menu item. My 10 year old loves another single menu msanthrope Aug 2013 #113
more often newcriminal Aug 2013 #114
Would make no difference cause I never eat that crap. MoonRiver Aug 2013 #116
More likely. Prices for food there won't change much. But I would want the bluestate10 Aug 2013 #117
Doubling wages would not affect my decision to go or not go maui902 Aug 2013 #118
I just can't stomach any fast food anymore... WCGreen Aug 2013 #122
How can N & OUT Burger charge less for their Burgers.. kalisto2010 Aug 2013 #124
possibly DonCoquixote Aug 2013 #126
Truthfully, I'm not going anyway BainsBane Aug 2013 #127
Personally, I wouldn't eat there more often, Blue_In_AK Aug 2013 #128
I would probably make a point to go there Union Scribe Aug 2013 #129
I would go on purpose. bravenak Aug 2013 #130

ejpoeta

(8,933 posts)
1. I avoid mcdonalds. their food makes me ill. Though we do go once in awhile.
Thu Aug 1, 2013, 08:54 AM
Aug 2013

It's like you forget. Then you eat there and your stomache starts getting sick. I wouldn't feel so bad about going there on the rare occasion that I do.

warrant46

(2,205 posts)
53. Greasy Gut Bombs
Thu Aug 1, 2013, 11:04 AM
Aug 2013
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=gut%20bomb

From The Urban Dictionary "Gut Bomb"

A usually very tasty super-sized fast food or greasy spoon diner food item that, when ingested, immediately explodes in your gut, decimating your stomach lining. The item usually has a very short (but painful) residence time in your digestive tract before performing a rapid exit to the outside world, and being released back into the wild (e.g., the toilet).

reformist2

(9,841 posts)
65. Please people - please don't hijack the thread! LOL
Thu Aug 1, 2013, 11:24 AM
Aug 2013

We all know how gross and greasy it is, but there are some of us who like it from time to time. This thread is about people who go there, not an opportunity to soapbox about how gross it is and how nobody should go there!

ejpoeta

(8,933 posts)
110. i was not soapboxing. i was stating that i don't go there because i get sick when i do.
Thu Aug 1, 2013, 06:44 PM
Aug 2013

that is not a soapbox. that says nothing about anyone else but myself and why i do not go there much now. and why i probably would not go there more if the workers were paid a decent wage.

liberal N proud

(60,334 posts)
2. It's not just McDonald's
Thu Aug 1, 2013, 08:55 AM
Aug 2013

Buger King, Chicken for Jesus and all of them do the same thing.

Minimum Wage Hikes Do Not Cause Inflation

This fear of inflation from the minimum wage is not based on any reasonable description of how these minimum wage hikes will likely impact businesses, or the economy more generally. The potential impact of minimum wage hikes on the overall price level is simply too small to have any appreciable impact on inflation.

One way to assess the threat of inflation posed by a minimum wage hike is to estimate directly how much it could raise businesses’ costs. This would give us a sense of what the potential impact of a minimum wage hike would be on prices, assuming businesses would pass these costs onto their consumers. Of course, there are other ways firms can adjust, aside from raising prices. For example, employers may experience some labor-cost savings as their higher wages lower turnover rates and motivate greater worker productivity. But for the sake of simplicity, let’s assume that firms pass the entire cost increase from a minimum wage hike to consumers.

Past research on how business costs rise with minimum wage hikes indicates that a 10-percent minimum wage hike can be expected to produce a cost increase for the average business of less than one-tenth of one percent of their sales revenue. This cost figure includes three components. First, mandated raises: the raises employers must give their workers to meet the new wage floor. Second, “ripple-effect” raises: the raises employers give some workers to put their pay rates a bit above the new minimum in order to preserve the same wage hierarchy before and after minimum wage hike. And third, the higher payroll taxes employers must pay on their now-larger wage bill. If the average businesses wanted to completely cover the cost increase from a 10-percent minimum wage hike through higher prices, they would need to raise their prices by less than 0.1 percent.[1]A price increase of this size amounts to marking up a $100 price tag to $100.10.

http://www.truth-out.org/news/item/14050-minimum-wage-hikes-do-not-cause-inflation

DinahMoeHum

(21,784 posts)
5. I still wouldn't eat their crap (too many nutrition issues). . .
Thu Aug 1, 2013, 08:57 AM
Aug 2013

. . .but I am for workers there getting a living wage.

Heard at a fast-food worker's strike:
"Mickey D, what's the deal? Pay me more than a Happy Meal"


kentauros

(29,414 posts)
6. Given the choice between fast food and a grocery store,
Thu Aug 1, 2013, 09:00 AM
Aug 2013

I'll pick the latter every time. The choice for pre-made meals is greater, and especially if you want to go a la carte, and do so in a healthy way. Speed in a grocery store can be as fast as fast food, especially if you know the store and where to go.

And most groceries pay their employees better than fast food establishments

 

Egalitarian Thug

(12,448 posts)
8. In-N-Out already pays much more than any of the other corporate waste merchants,
Thu Aug 1, 2013, 09:02 AM
Aug 2013

yet they serve both much better food and charge much less for it.

And no, I can't eat any of their swill as I've lost resistance to the chemicals that they use and it makes me sick.

 

usGovOwesUs3Trillion

(2,022 posts)
54. Actually they charge basically the same price
Thu Aug 1, 2013, 11:04 AM
Aug 2013

Which I consider to be less since their quality is so much better.

 

usGovOwesUs3Trillion

(2,022 posts)
88. Me too, had my first burger last week in Cali and it was awesome
Thu Aug 1, 2013, 12:42 PM
Aug 2013

Everything was so fresh, even the fries, it was great!

But now I'm back east with no in-n-out (burgers anyway)

 

Egalitarian Thug

(12,448 posts)
91. Anything like a double-double at BK or McD is over four bucks.
Thu Aug 1, 2013, 01:10 PM
Aug 2013

In-N-Out charges less than three (although I believe they are raising their price to $3.20.

emsimon33

(3,128 posts)
106. Actually, when someone wants a fast burger, I (a vegan) take them to In-N-Out
Thu Aug 1, 2013, 04:10 PM
Aug 2013

While they have nothing I can eat, I trust their food more than I trust other fast food burger places and I believe that their workers are better compensated than most.

reformist2

(9,841 posts)
78. Don't you feel obligated to at least buy coffee for the service?
Thu Aug 1, 2013, 12:32 PM
Aug 2013

They make great rest areas on long trips, but I'd feel funny using them like that.
 

Scuba

(53,475 posts)
80. Nope, my taxes pay for the road to their place, their sewage disposal, police and fire ...
Thu Aug 1, 2013, 12:34 PM
Aug 2013

... protection, healthcare for their employees, etc. My conscience is clear.

A Little Weird

(1,754 posts)
10. I would be more likely to go
Thu Aug 1, 2013, 09:06 AM
Aug 2013

I know it's healthier to eat home-made food but I often find that I don't have the time or energy and end up getting fast food - especially for lunch. McDonalds is usually my last choice but I would go there more often if they treated their workers better.

edhopper

(33,573 posts)
11. McDonalds also makes me sick
Thu Aug 1, 2013, 09:09 AM
Aug 2013

I eat occasionally at Five Guys, which makes real burgers and fries and not chemical factory products like McD.
I think they pay slightly above mim wage.
I would still go there if they paid more and the prices raised 5% (which seems to be the increase needed)

tularetom

(23,664 posts)
14. I wouldn't go there under any circumstances but if other fast food joints did
Thu Aug 1, 2013, 09:26 AM
Aug 2013

I would be more likely to patronize them.

 

MrSlayer

(22,143 posts)
15. No. I don't eat McDonald's ever for any reason.
Thu Aug 1, 2013, 09:27 AM
Aug 2013

Nor do I eat at any of those places. They sell poison.

rurallib

(62,406 posts)
16. We avoid McDonald's. At others we seldom check prices
Thu Aug 1, 2013, 09:28 AM
Aug 2013

so I doubt it would stop us.
Actually I would probably be more likely to go to a place if I knew they raised prices specifically to raise wages.

Quantess

(27,630 posts)
17. I'm the wrong person to ask because I haven't eaten ANY fast food in several years
Thu Aug 1, 2013, 09:38 AM
Aug 2013

with the exception of McDonald's coffee.

I have never in my life been a regular consumer of fast food, but it has plummeted to never. Nothing's going to change that.

 

Pelican

(1,156 posts)
18. Less...
Thu Aug 1, 2013, 09:40 AM
Aug 2013

Also, everyone proclaiming their disdain for fast food reminded me of this fine fellow...

http://www.theonion.com/articles/area-man-constantly-mentioning-he-doesnt-own-a-tel,429/

CHAPEL HILL, NC–Area resident Jonathan Green does not own a television, a fact he repeatedly points out to friends, family, and coworkers–as well as to his mailman, neighborhood convenience-store clerks, and the man who cleans the hallways in his apartment building. Jonathan Green, who tells as many people as possible that he is "fully weaned off the glass teat."

"I, personally, would rather spend my time doing something useful than watch television," Green told a random woman Monday at the Suds 'N' Duds Laundromat, noticing the establishment's wall-mounted TV. "I don't even own one."

According to Melinda Elkins, a coworker of Green's at The Frame Job, a Chapel Hill picture-frame shop, Green steers the conversation toward television whenever possible, just so he can mention not owning one.

"A few days ago, [store manager] Annette [Haig] was saying her new contacts were bothering her," Elkins said. "The second she said that, I knew Jonathan would pounce. He was like, 'I didn't know you had contacts, Annette. Are your eyes bad? That a shame. I'm really lucky to have almost perfect vision. I'm guessing it's because I don't watch TV. In fact, I don't even own one."

hobbit709

(41,694 posts)
19. Haven't been in a McD's in 25 years and I'm not about to start no matter what.
Thu Aug 1, 2013, 09:41 AM
Aug 2013

The food tastes like crap. Until they do something about that, forget it.

warrprayer

(4,734 posts)
20. I had breakfast at corporate Tiffanys
Thu Aug 1, 2013, 09:42 AM
Aug 2013

... this morning. A slight hike in prices wouldn't make much diff in my going there.

GreenStormCloud

(12,072 posts)
25. Less.
Thu Aug 1, 2013, 09:49 AM
Aug 2013

I almost never go there as it is. Higher prices would be a greater barrier. Face it, lots of folks aren't rich enough to laugh at higher prices.

 

Lee-Lee

(6,324 posts)
26. Less
Thu Aug 1, 2013, 09:54 AM
Aug 2013

Double the price and I can go to a sit down place and get a far better burger for the same money. I would rather budget an extra 15 minutes of my time to eat a better burger or the same money.

lynne

(3,118 posts)
30. I enjoy their grilled chicken ceasar salad -
Thu Aug 1, 2013, 10:02 AM
Aug 2013

- and find it convenient to pick one up on the way to work. Right now I'm paying about $5. for it. The salad is something I'd eat elsewhere but I pick it up at McDonald's as it's close to my work and it is within my price range.

It depends on how high the prices go. If they increase by 10%, then no problem. By 25%, then there might be an issue. I have to make sure that whatever I'm buying fits into what I can comfortably spend based on my part-time work hours and there's not much wiggle-room.

At 25% I'd be bringing a sandwich from home. A shame, too, as I enjoy that salad. And the yogurt parfait, too.

reformist2

(9,841 posts)
34. OK, that's interesting to hear. Maybe customers are more price sensitive than I thought.
Thu Aug 1, 2013, 10:08 AM
Aug 2013

When I go, I usually do coffee and the dollar menu items (I'm a cheapskate), so I'd have no problem paying $1.25 for a McDouble cheeseburger and $1.75 for coffee.

But if the meal you like went from $8 to $10, I can see that adding up over time.

reformist2

(9,841 posts)
32. This is being hijacked into a "McDonald's is crap food" thread, LOL
Thu Aug 1, 2013, 10:04 AM
Aug 2013

I guess what I was really wondering was this: If fast-food restaurant ____________ (insert one that you actually go to) were to raise their prices, but also raised the wages of their employees, would the higher prices make you go less, or would the higher wages make you go more?

Thinkingabout

(30,058 posts)
33. I don't think raising the wages would increase the cost of their menu by a lot, i have dined there
Thu Aug 1, 2013, 10:05 AM
Aug 2013

And other restaurants which pays minimal wages.

 

B2G

(9,766 posts)
36. How do you figure?
Thu Aug 1, 2013, 10:17 AM
Aug 2013

Doubling your expenses will cause the cost of your product to rise *significantly*.

Their target customer base would not be able to afford it.

Thinkingabout

(30,058 posts)
98. Overhead in buildings and property will not need to double, insurance etc will be the same, does not
Thu Aug 1, 2013, 03:31 PM
Aug 2013

Have an influence on menu items, there are many more items which does not depend on wages to determine. Over the years their prices have increased over the years and there are customers who still frequent the restaurant.

 

B2G

(9,766 posts)
99. Price increases over the years is not the same
Thu Aug 1, 2013, 03:36 PM
Aug 2013

as sudden, sharp increases due to doubling their payroll expense.

Greybnk48

(10,167 posts)
40. Double their wages and cut CEO salaries, NOT raise prices!
Thu Aug 1, 2013, 10:25 AM
Aug 2013

Then I would go in for an occasional happy meal with my grandson.

Puzzledtraveller

(5,937 posts)
41. I only go if I forgot to pack a lunch
Thu Aug 1, 2013, 10:27 AM
Aug 2013

I can only afford two items on Dollar menu, I get a plain mcdouble and small fry, comes to $2.32 here. I would probably just not go if prices went up.

Orrex

(63,203 posts)
44. I like McDonalds for one reason and one reason only
Thu Aug 1, 2013, 10:42 AM
Aug 2013

The predicatable parade of knee-jerk disgust any time the establishment is mentioned is hugely entertaining.

Ronald McDonald himself could cure cancer and elminate the deficit, and the first reply would be "their food sucks."


This pleases me greatly.

1-Old-Man

(2,667 posts)
48. Their food does suck, but their restrooms are clean, so I stop there to piss when I'm on the road.
Thu Aug 1, 2013, 10:54 AM
Aug 2013
 

Pelican

(1,156 posts)
73. Ever been to the McDonalds in Yerington, NV?
Thu Aug 1, 2013, 12:21 PM
Aug 2013

Nastiest public bathroom in a restaurant I've seen in America...

mountain grammy

(26,619 posts)
46. McDonalds was a fun, cheap novelty for a long time..
Thu Aug 1, 2013, 10:52 AM
Aug 2013

45 cents for a three course meal.. burger, fries and shake. That was back in the sixties when the closest McD's was 10 miles out on the highway and most Americans weren't fat. Now, we have corporate fast food on every corner with drive thru's so we don't even have to get out of our cars.
Sometimes I think it's impossible for us to get out from under the thumb of corporate America. People used to get crazy about government fluoridating the water but no concern at all about our corporate fast food nation and how we got here.

jmowreader

(50,555 posts)
47. Most fast food customers are extremely price sensitive
Thu Aug 1, 2013, 10:52 AM
Aug 2013

The reason the Hardees Ripoff Burgers are no longer on the McDonalds menu, is the price. McDs customers didn't want to pay that much for a burger, and anyone who really wanted such a sandwich could and did head to Hardees or Carls Jr.(OTOH, the fake Big Mac Hardees created to retaliate against McD for ripping them off is very good.)

McDonalds used to sell a double cheeseburger on its dollar menu. When food prices went up so did the price of this burger...and it died.

There are mass-market chains (McD and Burger King), midrange chains (Hardees/Carls Jr and Wendys), high-end chains (Five Guys) and casual dining restaurants (the Bennigans-style places). If McD prices itself into the midrange it will die even if it brings its food into the midrange because people expect McD food at McD prices rather than Wendys food in McD wrappers.

I only eat their food about once a month unless they have McRibs so them raising prices wouldn't bother me, but a lot of people would stop going.

If Mc

reformist2

(9,841 posts)
50. What kind of changes are we talking in terms of customers? 10% variations?
Thu Aug 1, 2013, 10:58 AM
Aug 2013

I think it should be kept in mind that just because these restaurants make certain actions (e.g., removing an item from the dollar menu) doesn't mean they weren't profitable - it just means they weren't maximizing profits, at least according to their models.

It seems to me that if they would only relax their insistence on maximizing profit, they could do a lot more for both their workers and customers and still maintain a decent profit.

Xyzse

(8,217 posts)
49. I'd probably go more
Thu Aug 1, 2013, 10:56 AM
Aug 2013

Especially if it means it goes to their employees. Still, they have to improve their food as well.

JustAnotherGen

(31,813 posts)
56. No
Thu Aug 1, 2013, 11:06 AM
Aug 2013

I haven't eaten at a McDonalds since I was diagnose with Ankylosing Spondylitis in July 2009. There is nothing of core nutritional value or with healing (non toxic no antibiotics whole food) properties on their menu.

alc

(1,151 posts)
58. depends on the price raise
Thu Aug 1, 2013, 11:07 AM
Aug 2013

At one point I only bought big macs when there was a $2 deal. I recently paid almost $4 but rarely get them any more even though I still like them as much and a long time ago had one for lunch once or twice a week (when they were always under $2).

I've seen a wide range of estimates on price increases and feel pretty confident that both ends are exaggerated (or at lest pulled out of the asses of people with different agendas). There is a lot more to employee cost than hourly rate. So you can't simply divide that by the items sold in an hour. The actual cost depends on many things such as training costs which depends on turnover and on employee efficiency. Will those be better with double wages? Probably yes on both. Definitely yes on both if McDonalds is paying 2x any competitors. Less so if they are still paying the minimum wage and everyone else is too.

 

GalaxyHunter

(271 posts)
60. I don't like to eat there as it is, but it would make me go even less.
Thu Aug 1, 2013, 11:09 AM
Aug 2013

If I have to pay more for a shitty burger, I'd rather go to a sit down restaurant and get something that taste good.

AndyA

(16,993 posts)
61. I only eat at McDonald's when I'm on the road and there are no other options.
Thu Aug 1, 2013, 11:13 AM
Aug 2013

If McDonald's did the right thing and started paying their employees a living wage, I might go more often just to support the company, since they did the right thing.

They really should improve their menu with healthier options--veggie burgers and things like that.

lawwolf

(58 posts)
108. They have tried that over the years
Thu Aug 1, 2013, 04:24 PM
Aug 2013

And they have always been spectacular flops. As society changes though, maybe it is time for them to try it again.

AndyA

(16,993 posts)
109. After all the negative publicity, it's probably time for a new outlook
Thu Aug 1, 2013, 06:37 PM
Aug 2013

Pay employees a living wage, which will make them happier in their jobs. Customer service will improve, and lots of people who normally don't frequent McDonald's might give it a try.

With that, they could roll out new menu items and perhaps spruce up the restaurants a bit. Healthier choices--and more of them--not just a couple, would be an improvement.

When I think of McDonald's, I think of dirty restaurants, slow service, unhealthy food made with zero care, unhappy employees who are overworked and underpaid...not much incentive to go there.

 

MotherPetrie

(3,145 posts)
62. When I have the rare yen for McD's, price is of no concern, so I'm in favor of
Thu Aug 1, 2013, 11:14 AM
Aug 2013

raising prices to enable employees to be paid a doubled wage.

 

PowerToThePeople

(9,610 posts)
63. It depends how much they raise prices
Thu Aug 1, 2013, 11:19 AM
Aug 2013

I rarely go McDs now. But I used to when I worked near one. Free internet got me there. I mostly ate from the dollar menu. I think my total price was just under 5$ for two sandwiches, small fry, and large drink.

It certainly isn't healthy, I could tell when I had eaten more than a couple days in a row there.

But, they only reason I would eat there is cheap food. If I can get a 5$ subway (healthier) why would I pay more or even the same for McDs gut bombs?

laundry_queen

(8,646 posts)
66. I'd pay $0.68 more for a big mac if it meant $15/hr for workers
Thu Aug 1, 2013, 11:29 AM
Aug 2013

That's what they figure the price raise would be on CNN. 68 cents more.

Although I don't eat Big Macs, they make me sick. But I'll eat a quarter pounder. Or a cheeseburger. And I'd pay a few cents more if it meant living wages for everyone.

Can you believe it? 68 FUCKING CENTS.

BTW - McDonalds is one of the only fast food places I eat at - I had a friend who worked in the meat rendering plant that supplied McDonalds and that's the only fast food place he eats at too - he said they are meticulous with their meat.

But, geez, 68 cents. Not triple the price, not double the price. 68 fucking cents.

 

closeupready

(29,503 posts)
81. They are meticulous about their meat, but most just enjoy bashing them
Thu Aug 1, 2013, 12:35 PM
Aug 2013

and their food as being "shit" and "McCrap" so nobody here will hear of it. LOL (Which is fine with me since they are clearly a Republican-leaning organization.)

But yeah, I eat there sometimes. I actually like most of their items, though as with others, I can't eat too much of it. I think it has less to do with the hamburger and more to do with whatever it is they put into the buns.

tridim

(45,358 posts)
68. 10 years ago I used to get the Big Mac meal for $2.99.. Today it's $6.39.
Thu Aug 1, 2013, 11:40 AM
Aug 2013

I already stopped going because the prices have more than doubled while wages stagnated.

Brother Buzz

(36,416 posts)
69. McDonald's could double wages and lower their prices
Thu Aug 1, 2013, 11:46 AM
Aug 2013

Offering a living wage would attract competent employees that could multitask; they could reduce their crew from, say, twenty, to six like the independently owned drive-in two blocks from my house, and they make real milkshakes.

I'll return to McDonald's when they introduce a quality hot dog.

pipi_k

(21,020 posts)
71. Neither...
Thu Aug 1, 2013, 11:53 AM
Aug 2013

no more or less likely, actually.

I avoid the place whenever I can. Maybe eat there two or three times a year, if that.

 

closeupready

(29,503 posts)
75. More likely, of course.
Thu Aug 1, 2013, 12:23 PM
Aug 2013

People who are struggling, though, or who are unemployed - they may answer differently.

But as for me, yes, I would def go more.

Squinch

(50,949 posts)
77. I know it's awful for you, but I actually love the food. I avoid it now, but would go more
Thu Aug 1, 2013, 12:29 PM
Aug 2013

if they increased wages and prices.

 

4Q2u2

(1,406 posts)
79. False Premise
Thu Aug 1, 2013, 12:34 PM
Aug 2013

That is the false premise that we have to dismiss. It is not either or. CEO's and top executives want you to think like that so they can continue to enrich themselves at unreasonable levels. Pay can go up without prices going up. Short term profit margin can be scaled back on compensation and pay. The good will it produces should in the long term keep profits flowing for a longer time frame.

Someone also mentioned that this would amount to a 68 cent increase in the Big Mac. I would say most would pay that.



http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/04/12/mcdonalds-ceo-pay_n_3070833.html

Morning Dew

(6,539 posts)
83. The same either way.
Thu Aug 1, 2013, 12:36 PM
Aug 2013

I wind up at MickeyD's on occasion, it's never my first pick.

This would have been fun as a poll.

MrNJ

(200 posts)
85. Currently there's 0 chance I will eat at McD
Thu Aug 1, 2013, 12:39 PM
Aug 2013

If they raised prices, the chance of me eating there will double.

JustFiveMoreMinutes

(2,133 posts)
86. Not a big McD fan but keeping with the thought of this thread...
Thu Aug 1, 2013, 12:40 PM
Aug 2013

... I am dropping my Sams Club membership and going to Costco.....

UglyGreed

(7,661 posts)
87. I read that the cost
Thu Aug 1, 2013, 12:41 PM
Aug 2013

of a Big Mac would go up 68 cents. Even though I can't even stand the smell of the special sauce but it would not stop my wife from buying one. It's a lousy 68 cents, let be real here, I rather have the workers be able to live a decent life and afford a burger at a good hamburger joint themselves.

arely staircase

(12,482 posts)
89. yes, although there are very few thing I like at McDonald's
Thu Aug 1, 2013, 12:42 PM
Aug 2013

fries are obviouly good, the new chicken wraps and the salads are OK. But even in this podunk town I can go to three or four mom and pop joints to get a way better burger.

spin

(17,493 posts)
92. No. But I haven't been in a McDonald's in at least 10 years. And I believe I got sick...
Thu Aug 1, 2013, 01:22 PM
Aug 2013

the last time from the greasy food.

murielm99

(30,735 posts)
95. The only thing I like there are the smoothies
Thu Aug 1, 2013, 01:58 PM
Aug 2013

and the coffee. I have gotten those when someone else drove through. I haven't eaten their food in almost twenty years. I have had Wendy's a couple of times in the last year.

Buns_of_Fire

(17,175 posts)
97. It's the franchisee's option, isn't it?
Thu Aug 1, 2013, 02:47 PM
Aug 2013

So long as the parent corporation is getting their monthly license fees and the like, I wouldn't think that they would care much about what the employees of any specific franchise are getting paid.

I'm not defending or deriding McDonald's or their food, I just wonder if they're being blamed for something that perhaps they have no control over.

 

Drunken Irishman

(34,857 posts)
102. I'd still go. McDonald's, though, can be cheap...
Thu Aug 1, 2013, 04:01 PM
Aug 2013

As a kid in college, who's always balancing finances, McDonald's sometime was the only fast food I could afford (after Little Caesars) - mostly because it was cheap and I could stock up. What I mean by that is I can hit up a McDonald's, order six or so cheeseburgers and a couple large fries and have it all come in under $10. Then I'd have dinner, maybe a snack later and some lunch for the next day. Not healthy, but when you're on a budget, that isn't a priority.

To put that into context, if I went to Carl's Jr. and just got a combo meal (let's say, Double Western), it'd push $10 with far less food.

I'd keep going, though, because I do like their burgers.

 

Scootaloo

(25,699 posts)
103. In theory, yes!
Thu Aug 1, 2013, 04:02 PM
Aug 2013

In practice, there's no McDonalds around my area, and the food is vile anyway

So as a principle, I'm more likely to do business with a buisiness that treats its employers well, but in this specific example, I don't give the place my business anyway

DJ13

(23,671 posts)
104. Compared to many other national fast food chains their prices are already high
Thu Aug 1, 2013, 04:04 PM
Aug 2013

Most chains sell their marquee 1/4 pound burgers for $3 (+/-), McDonald's sells the Big Mac, which is only two 1/10th of a pound patties, for > $4.

Ingredient costs should make it a lot cheaper than the competition's marquee burgers.

They must be making higher margins than the other chains already.

emsimon33

(3,128 posts)
105. I would probably go in support but more healthy alternatives without GMOs would make me a regular
Thu Aug 1, 2013, 04:08 PM
Aug 2013

I do support companies that pay a fair wage over those who do not.

However, as a vegan, McDonalds would have to offer a GMO-free alternative (which I would be happy to pay a higher price) in order for me to become a regular: No vegan substitutes made from isolated soy protein, but real whole foods that are NOT GMO! In fact, I would love a fast food alternative that serves such food and I would be willing to pay at least double the regular cost for well paid employees with health insurance (a living wage and good health insurance, even for part-time workers) and real, non-GMO whole healthy food and organic, non-treated with chemicals to increase shelf-life potatoes! We need a Trader Joe's of fast food (I mean FAST and drive through--not Panera).

lawwolf

(58 posts)
107. It would depend on how much they raised prices
Thu Aug 1, 2013, 04:19 PM
Aug 2013

With the rare exception of when I have a craving for a Big Mac the only time I go there is when I need something cheap and quick because I'm on the run (and their McDouble and Fries fit the bill). If it was no longer cheap compared to other places (Hardees, Burger King) where I think the cheeseburgers are better I would likely go to those other places in those circumstances.

bhikkhu

(10,715 posts)
111. Much more likely
Thu Aug 1, 2013, 06:48 PM
Aug 2013

any fast food place that paid a living wage would be a place that I would want to see do well. As it is, I avoid them like the plague.

 

msanthrope

(37,549 posts)
113. More likely. The dog loves one menu item. My 10 year old loves another single menu
Thu Aug 1, 2013, 06:56 PM
Aug 2013

item. I'll drink the coffee, if I can find nothing else.




bluestate10

(10,942 posts)
117. More likely. Prices for food there won't change much. But I would want the
Thu Aug 1, 2013, 08:06 PM
Aug 2013

price increases go to salaries and benefits, not into McDonald's profit.

maui902

(108 posts)
118. Doubling wages would not affect my decision to go or not go
Thu Aug 1, 2013, 08:16 PM
Aug 2013

Historically, the only establishments I've refused to do business with are those that adopt policies that I cannot support, especially those who go public with their support of those policies. Example: my son loves Chick fil A, and we used to go there from time to time, but ever since they took the fairly public stand against gay rights, they've lost my business. But I can't support forcing a business to pay higher than minimum wage for their workers; the focus should be on creating a work force and work environment where businesses have to pay more to attract employees due to market conditions. That's what we've lost over the last three decades.

WCGreen

(45,558 posts)
122. I just can't stomach any fast food anymore...
Fri Aug 2, 2013, 01:59 AM
Aug 2013

The closest I come to is a subway sandwich once and awhile...

kalisto2010

(64 posts)
124. How can N & OUT Burger charge less for their Burgers..
Fri Aug 2, 2013, 02:40 AM
Aug 2013

And pay their workers a starting wage of 11.25 per hour? On top of they, they taste a lot better.

Blue_In_AK

(46,436 posts)
128. Personally, I wouldn't eat there more often,
Fri Aug 2, 2013, 05:02 AM
Aug 2013

although they really should pay their employees better. I just don't eat fast food.

Union Scribe

(7,099 posts)
129. I would probably make a point to go there
Fri Aug 2, 2013, 05:06 AM
Aug 2013

I usually don't (I'm fat enough as it is lol) but if they decided to treat their workers with dignity I'm all for rewarding that in language a company can understand: $.

I'd love for what you're talking about to happen, where companies would en masse learn that being fair to their workers is good for their business as well as their employees.

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