Documents Show NSA Violated Court Orders (Back to sleep America, nothing to see here)

[kpete]

Documents Show NSA Violated Court Orders
http://www.mcclatchydc.com/2013/07/31/198229/documents-show-nsa-violated-court.html#.UfpkRNJzGpB


One of the key deflections over the ethical questions related to domestic spying by the government is “it’s legal.” Stated ad nauseum this defense was supposed to reduce violations of Fourth Amendment protected privacy to technical misunderstandings. But it turns out the NSA did, in fact, go beyond technical limits by violating court orders. http://www.mcclatchydc.com/2013/07/31/198229/documents-show-nsa-violated-court.html#.UfpkRNJzGpB

National Security Agency officials violated secret federal court orders authorizing the daily collection of domestic email and telephone data from hundreds of millions of Americans, according to previously top-secret documents made public Wednesday by the Obama administration.

The documents didn’t disclose specific details of the violations. But they said that the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court imposed temporary restrictions on the programs after it learned of the violations until it was satisfied the NSA had revamped its procedures to conform to court requirements.

http://news.firedoglake.com/2013/07/31/nsa-and-fisa-court-documents-to-be-selectively-declassified-to-win-back-public-suppport/

The NSA could not even comply with a secret court that rarely, if ever, does not grant the government’s request to transgress on Constitutionally protected liberties.The information comes from the selectively declassified documents on the NSA spying program.

The letter, one of the three documents that the administration declassified and released on Wednesday, revealed that an undisclosed number of “technical compliance problems and human implementation errors in these two bulk collection programs were discovered as a result of Department of Justice reviews and NSA oversight.”

“Neither the Department, NSA nor the FISA court has found any intentional or bad-faith violations,” the letter said.

Don’t panic. The secret Unconstitutional program the NSA is running that is overseen by a secret panel of right-wing judges only had a few technical compliance problems. Back to sleep America, nothing to see here.

http://news.firedoglake.com/2013/08/01/documents-show-nsa-violated-court-orders/



a little more here:
NSA and FISA Court Documents To Be Selectively Declassified To Win Back Public Support
http://news.firedoglake.com/2013/07/31/nsa-and-fisa-court-documents-to-be-selectively-declassified-to-win-back-public-suppport/

[ProSense]

1. Completely

"Documents Show NSA Violated Court Orders"

...bogus title. The documents release showed no such thing.

The documents didn’t disclose specific details of the violations. But they said that the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court imposed temporary restrictions on the programs after it learned of the violations until it was satisfied the NSA had revamped its procedures to conform to court requirements.

[bowens43]

3. LOL!! Really? You're still trying make a silk purse out of this pigs ear?

[ProSense]

6. It's a bogus headline for a poorly written article. n/t

[Nuclear Unicorn]

8. It says there were violations, it just didn't detail the nature of those violations.

But they're still violations. Your own citation says as much --

The documents didn’t disclose specific details of the violations. But they said that the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court imposed temporary restrictions on the programs after it learned of the violations until it was satisfied the NSA had revamped its procedures to conform to court requirements.

[ProSense]

9. I read the documents. Here,

from the 2009 release:




http://www.dni.gov/files/documents/2009_CoverLetter_Report_Collection.pdf

All documents: http://www.dni.gov/index.php/newsroom/press-releases/191-press-releases-2013/908-dni-clapper-declassifies-and-releases-telephone-metadata-collection-documents

[Downwinder]

14. So, if I inadvertently get into your car and if the key fits,

I can keep it and use it.

[David Krout]

18. Or if I inadvertently commit a traffic speeding violation

Can I tell the cop that I was distracted therefore it cannot be a violaion? The examples can be numerous.

[David Krout]

16. Did you read the documents?

I've been trying in vain to find a pdf.

[randome]

2. Are we supposed to point to evidence that the system works as evidence that it does not work?

Courts rein in law enforcement all the time. That's how the system is supposed to work.

[JoePhilly]

4. So what the article says (sans the hyperbolye) is ... oversight worked.

This is exactly why you have oversight.

People screw up. Accidentally, or on purpose. If you have oversight, you identify the problems, and you fix them. Which is what the article says happened.

Now, if the article said that people broke the rules (accidentally or on purpose), and those violations were identified, and then nothing at all was done about it ... then there's a major problem.

In any bureaucratic process where you have people involved, you will have instances in which some of those people violate the rules (intentionally, or by accident). That's just a fact.

One of the arguments we hear often with regard to the NSA is that there is NO OVERSIGHT. That claim gets made over and over.

This article appears to refute that claim. There were violations, those were identified via actual oversight, and then the procedures were corrected.

[randome]

5. The very FISA court that is railed against is held up as evidence that the NSA is out of control.

When, as you pointed out, obviously it has oversight.

[David Krout]

15. "there were violations," you said. But Prosense showed above that there's no evidence of violations

Make up your minds people.

[DirkGently]

20. Sans NSA ass-covering, it says unspecified violations were dealt with in unspecified ways.

Would you be happy with a letter from your bank telling you it had made unspecified errors in handling your account, and had taken steps to correct them?

Or from your doctor, saying she had made unspecified mistakes in handling your child's kidney transplant, but had discussed them with hospital and made sure they were addressed?

Does anyone ever believe this secret self-regulating bullshit, really?

[JoePhilly]

21. The OP says this report is evidence of wrong doing because the NSA actually admited to

violations ... BAD NSA.

You claim that the report about the violations is bogus ... BAD NSA.

What we've essentially established with those 2 views is that no matter what happens ... its evidence of ... BAD NSA.

[Enrique]

7. the documents show "the system worked"

which is why they were released.

This selective declassification is being done with one thing in mind: PR. They want to keep that security state money machine humming.

[JoePhilly]

10. They are so tricky.

[onyourleft]

17. Selective is...

...the operative word.

[David Krout]

19. Whose opinion are you quoting?

Did some impartial entity say the system worked? Are you perhaps quoting a member of the Obama administration? Just a wild guess.

[Octafish]

11. Good to see some progress in restoring Democracy.

Sad to note most of the criminality is yet to be exposed.

[MotherPetrie]

12. K&R.