Now that Russia has granted Snowden asylum..

[one_voice]

I look forward to Glenn Greenwald hopping a plane to Russia and getting the first face to face exclusive interview with him. Glenn is the one that should/has to be the one to do this since he's the one that 'broke' this story.

It will be interesting to hear what Snowden has to say about his new 'hero' status among some people.

Let Snowden get settled in and get a taste of real freedom and then do the interview.

I can't wait! I really hope Glenn doesn't flake on this, he's been so vocal and such a supporter of Snowden it would be such a shame not to go get this exclusive now that Edward is free.


edited for spelling.

[backscatter712]

1. That may be against the conditions of his asylum.

IIRC, Putin gave the condition that Snowden stay quiet and not discuss the criminal acts he exposed with his whistleblowing, in order to stay in Russia.

OTOH, Greenwald did not disappoint yesterday!

[one_voice]

3. Speaking about...

generalities.

How he feels, what it like to be in Russia (he should get settled first), how he feels about being called a hero. That kind of stuff. Nothing too detailed.

[sabrina 1]

65. You seem to think that Greenwald wouldn't be willing to do that?? Is that the point you

are trying to make?

Why would you think that a journalist who KNEW Private Security Corporations were bidding on 'smear campaigns' against him, ignored that information and continued to do what apparently made him a target of the Big Wall St. Banks wouldn't do something as easy as interview Snowden wherever he is, so long as that country allowed it??

Cleary you have underestimated the man.

Just adding, that this was the conclusion of HBGary when they were preparing the smear campaign against Greenwald, that 'these types', meaning journalists like Greenwald, would not stand up to the pressure of the attacks.

How wrong they were. You are of the same wrong opinion as HBGary. My feeling about Greenwald is he would very much love to conduct an interview with Snowden and would jump at the chance. But then I'm not HBGary who so underestimated him as he has been subjected to the smear campaign exposed in those emails, and it hasn't stopped him at all.

[one_voice]

66. No. The point I'm trying to make is exactly what...

I said.

I'd like to see a human interest story. Is that clear enough?

[sabrina 1]

68. Yes, very clear, I just wanted to be clear before deciding how wrong you are.

[MotherPetrie]

2. Trying to make Snowden and Greenwald look bad doesn't make Obama's NSA look good.

[one_voice]

4. What?

defensive much?

[MotherPetrie]

6. Not at all. Just commenting on your post.

[one_voice]

9. No you're not..

because my post said nothing about Obama or the NSA.

And in no way tried to make Snowden or Greenwald look bad.

You're seeing things that aren't there.

Stop making things up.

[MotherPetrie]

14. I will continue to comment as I see fit. If it violates the rules, feel free to alert on it.

[one_voice]

18. Cool..

and I will continue to point out when you make stuff up. There's another word for making things up...

[MotherPetrie]

20. If I lied, then you'd better alert on me.

[one_voice]

21. I don't alert..

unless it's completely over the top.

I'll leave it there. I mentioned nothing about Obama or NSA. I did not disparage Greenwald or Snowden.

End. Of. Story.

[MotherPetrie]

25. So because you didn't mention them, I couldn't? It doesn't work that way.

[one_voice]

28. Sure you can..

but don't accuse me of doing something I didn't do.

I make Greenwald and Snowden 'look bad' trying to make Obama and the NSA look good.

If you think that my OP--which thinks an interview not about the NSA but a personal one--is making them look bad....that's a problem..imo.

If you have a need to go putting words in people's mouths, you're right I can't stop you, but I will point it out.

[MotherPetrie]

41. I think that's exactly what you were doing, and you won't change my mind about that.

[L0oniX]

53. You alerted on Cali ...dincha. n/t

[one_voice]

55. no I didn't...

where are you talking about? What post?

edited to add: never mind I see now.

I did not alert on that. If I were going to alert I would have done back when I made the comment not all this later.

Like I said, I don't alert.

[L0oniX]

57. Yea ok ...you and the alerter both use the term "nasty" then. n/t

[one_voice]

58. Believe what you want...

I have no reason to lie.

I'm certainly not gong to come back to a thread 7 hours later and alert on something. Shit just isn't that important to me.

[RetroLounge]

26. +1000

RL

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

5. Well, if Snowden was here, in the lap of "freedom", Greenwald would have to interview him in prison.

But, I guess, he would be getting a "real taste of freedom" here.

[one_voice]

8. Was he not...

sort of a prisoner of the airport? He's now free from a airport terminal, no?

He'd be in prison here because according to our laws he's a criminal. That's not what my OP was a about, I'm not debating that. I was merely saying it would be interesting to hear what he'd have to say on how he's gone from a 'nobody' to 'hero' status.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

13. Your rather blatent inference was that he would be better off in "the land of the free".

He is deservedly a hero to many who value the right to privacy and detest the surveillance/secret state.

[one_voice]

16. I didn't say...

anything remotely close to this:

Your rather blatent inference was that he would be better off in "the land of the free".

This is what I said:

Let Snowden get settled in and get a taste of real freedom and then do the interview

I would consider it free if I'd been holed up in an airport terminal for a month.


You read something into it that wasn't there. I can't help you with that. But I never said anything about being better off anywhere. That is a flat out lie.

I don't like people that lie.

Have a nice day.

[cali]

49. uh, no. he was in legal limbo, dear. hardly the same thing

and guess what? He is not a criminal according to our laws. basic, basic stuff and your fail hugely. sad that you're that uninformed. Under our laws, someone is not a criminal until they've been adjudicated as such. Go back to 3rd grade.

[one_voice]

50. Why are you always

so nasty?

What did I do to deserve that nastiness?


edited to add: I said 'sort of a prisoner' meaning metaphorically, not literally. But I'm sure you knew that, but any opportunity to be nasty, right?

[L0oniX]

54. Cali was snooped on by the NSA & tortured but was given a trial. Jury results here...

ALERTER'S COMMENTS:

This person is a nasty piece of work.

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Thu Aug 1, 2013, 06:38 PM, and the Jury voted 3-3 to LEAVE IT.

Juror #1 voted to HIDE IT and said: The alerter is correct. Cali poster NEVER avoids an opportunity to be absolutely as insulting and condescending as humanly possible. Awful attitude and I wish the Admins would have a chit chat with her/him.
Juror #2 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE and said: Oh nice. Alert on someone then call them a "nasty piece of work"
Juror #3 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE and said: No explanation given
Juror #4 voted to HIDE IT and said: personal attack laced with a heaping helping of flat bullshit
Juror #5 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE and said: I've been called MUCH worse here!
Juror #6 voted to HIDE IT and said: I do not think reverting to name calling and inappropriate and unsubstantiated claims about others are appropriate. While I do not comment on whether the poster was uninformed it is not productive to make claims that someone needs to go back to the 3rd grade. I suggest we conduct ourselves with greater civility and maturity.

As for the person who sent the alert, your comments are totally inappropriate. You do not comment that someone is a "nasty piece of work". That suggests you are unable to communicate in clear, engaging and productive dialogue.

[Historic NY]

7. He may have left the airport, but is he really free?

[MNBrewer]

10. Are any of us?

[Enrique]

11. this doesn't make sense

it seems to be using this latest development to mock Greenwald in some way.

[one_voice]

12. You're accusing me of mocking

Greenwald, but you don't know how? Seriously?

What part don't you understand? I think Greenwald should go to Russia and do the first interview with Snowden.

[Enrique]

15. why couldn't he have interviewed him in the transit zone?

[one_voice]

17. I guess he could...

have. But it would be a better interview to be able to say; You were in the airport terminal for a month and you've been out able to walk around shop etc how does it feel? How did it feel when you where stuck? etc.

Better interview in my opinion.

[KharmaTrain]

19. Now His Sentence Begins...

...while "free", surely Mr. Snowden will be watched very carefully by his new homeland. He'll have to adapt to a totally different lifestyle, culture and language. Plus he's now half a world away from where his information could do the best good...as part of an investigation.

Seems like this Harry Shearer goody gets more relevant as this story goes along:

[former9thward]

31. This is 2013 not 1953.

It is not a "totally different lifestyle, culture and language". Especially among Russians Snowden's age. I have been to Russia twice (once by myself and once with a friend - no tour group) and had no problems doing anything I wanted or going around the country. Plenty of young Russians know some or a lot of English. Their attitudes and desires are the same as young people in the U.S.

[KharmaTrain]

38. He's Still In A Strange Land...

...and not there by his choosing. There were reports he'd have to live in some kind of relocation center or he'll have to find someone who will pick up the bill for finding some kind of living accommodations. It's one thing to visit...another to be exiled and not able to leave.

No this isn't 1953 but if you think Putin is some kind of progressive, I'd think on that one. As long as Snowden remains in the public eye, he's sure to be watched closely. I'm betting the government will want to know where he lives and if he travels. From what I'm reading he's only being granted asylum for one year...then what?

[former9thward]

43. I think he will be there far less than a year.

Now that he is out of the airport he is free to travel to embassies of friendly countries that might give him asylum. He will be able to make proper applications and get the proper paperwork. Figuring out how to get out is trickier but certainly not a Mission Impossible. He will have issues and problems as we all do but it is certainly better than the alternative.

[KharmaTrain]

46. The Alternative...

...would be to return and help unmask all the abuses he claims he witnessed. Not much he can do from half a world away or sitting in some embassy waiting for a freighter to sneak him out. I would imagine his father and Bruce Fein are also working on some deal for his return. By him running away he will soon fade away and with it the attention he's drawn to the NSA...

[former9thward]

47. The NSA is the issue not Snowden.

If people who are concerned with NSA abuses let it slide because Snowden is not on the front pages then shame on them. Snowden sitting in a solitary confinement jail cell for the next 30 years would not be able to unmask anything.

[Tarheel_Dem]

51. YAY Russia! How about these young people, and their "lifestyle, culture and language"?

Apparently, you don't do irony.



http://www.cnn.com/2013/08/01/world/europe/russia-gay-rights-controversy

[former9thward]

52. Apparently I don't.

And I don't know what your point is. The poster I was replying to suggested Snowden would find it uncomfortable in Russia because of culture, language and lifestyle. I said that is not true.

[Tarheel_Dem]

56. Oh, I think he'll fit RIGHT in.

[disidoro01]

22. Everything Snowden had

is in the hands of Greenwald and a few others. An interview isn't needed nor would it be valuable.

[one_voice]

29. Not that kind of interview...

a more personal one.

One that talks about how it felt to be 'trapped in an airport', how it feels to have 'hero status' that kind of stuff.

I think it would be nice to know who he is, how he's doing. that kind of stuff.

I don't fall into the hero camp, but I would like to know how he's doing.

[disidoro01]

36. That

sounds like fanboy stuff.
I don't know why a Guardian reporter would travel to Russia for a fluff piece. The locals can do a piece like that. Probably a satellite interview would work best.

[one_voice]

39. Glenn broke the story...

he helped Snowden, he should close it out, imo.

[disidoro01]

44. Sure

That's why I threw the satellite interview option. It seems pointless to travel all of that way. What's the point of having this technology? Every Sunday I watch tons of satellite interviews on the talk shows. Seems to be this is where it fits in, especially since you want a human interest piece.

[WilliamPitt]

23. Greenwald probably shouldn't go to Rusia. n/t

[randome]

32. Maybe if he's discreet.

[one_voice]

33. Why not?

[randome]

40. Because 'the gays' are unwelcome in Russia.

[one_voice]

42. Yeah...

I was figuring since two high profile people they wouldn't dare do anything.

Maybe that was giving them too much credit.

I answered in post 37.

[snooper2]

24. They can have some vodka and talk about which actors will play them!

Maybe tour some old Soviet era housing complexes?

Snowy can show him his signed Putin picture!

[RetroLounge]

27. And so it begins, er, continues...

RL

[one_voice]

30. So I'm a bad person..

for wanting to know how he's doing? Got it!

[RetroLounge]

59. FOr hoping a gay man goes to russia?

Yeah, I would say so.

oh, and just for your post

RL

[one_voice]

61. I hope you remember to open..

your mouth while your doing all that puking.

[RetroLounge]

63. Oh, I think the open mouth issue is obvious here...

RL

[randome]

34. You've been doing a lot of that lately. Might want to see a doctor.

[RetroLounge]

60. awww, your concern is noted

RL

[riverbendviewgal]

35. Glenn Greenwald is a gay man

and you know he would be imprisoned in Russia.. Is this what you would like to see?

[one_voice]

37. No, I would not...

But I figured he's as high profile as is Snowden, and they wouldn't dare do that. It would be a win win for them. They've already scored points with people with allowing Snowden asylum it would be a huge win allowing the interview.

I'm offended that would even ask if that's something that I'd want to see. Clearly you're not familiar with my positions.

just as an aside: maybe those people praising Russia and thanking them might want to take into consideration their position on gay people.

[disidoro01]

45. Wow

I didn't even think of that.
One Voice what an awful person you are if this even crossed your mind.

[Fumesucker]

62. Read the OP again, it's obvious that's where it was going

That was pretty clumsily done.

[Behind the Aegis]

64. Interesting, you didn't think of it, yet assume one_voice did?

What a nasty assumption on your part. This I know for FACT, one_voice has been an outspoken member for GLBT rights ON THIS BOARD...yet, I don't recall your name or the person who asked the question in threads regarding GLBT rights. Funny, that?

[one_voice]

67. .

[Harmony Blue]

69. Some people are really evil

and have black hearts.

[reformist2]

48. This thread is a trainwreck! lol