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Ichingcarpenter

(36,988 posts)
Fri Aug 2, 2013, 07:11 AM Aug 2013

Mystery object falls from sky, area sealed off by military: 'Weather balloon', say officials

Simply nobody will be giving any credence to officials in America who have stated that a mystery object which fell from the sky this week - after which the surrounding area was evacuated and sealed off for some time by police and military personnel - was just a "weather balloon".

Reportedly, large numbers of government operatives from various agencies converged urgently on a residential neighbourhood in Norfolk, Virginia, on Tuesday night after an unidentified object fell from the sky there. News reports describe the object as "something odd", with some eyewitness accounts saying it resembled a balloon and others suggesting that the crashlanded artifact had a structure similar to "styrofoam". According to local TV news:



One person told authorities it was making a strange noise.


http://www.theregister.co.uk/2013/08/02/mystery_object_falls_from_sky_area_sealed_off_by_military_weather_balloon_say_officials/


http://www.wavy.com/dpp/news/local_news/norfolk/suspicious-package-investigation-underway


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Mystery object falls from sky, area sealed off by military: 'Weather balloon', say officials (Original Post) Ichingcarpenter Aug 2013 OP
Graphic missed out dipsydoodle Aug 2013 #1
The only thing that's missing is the chips and guacamole. Baitball Blogger Aug 2013 #40
DUZY !!! :) n/t Tx4obama Aug 2013 #50
That's a rather lurid condom....hope it wasn't made/dyed in China.... MADem Aug 2013 #51
I, for one, welcome our new Mystery Object Overlords Berlum Aug 2013 #2
Ah, it's the old weather-balloon-falling-from-the-sky trick! KansDem Aug 2013 #3
exactly heaven05 Aug 2013 #20
I suppose weather balloon is a limited hang-out for DOD surveillance blimp HereSince1628 Aug 2013 #4
Those are Barrage balloons Ichingcarpenter Aug 2013 #5
Well, if they ARE barrage balloons, apparently HereSince1628 Aug 2013 #6
either that or I fear the redcoats will try to burn DC again Ichingcarpenter Aug 2013 #10
Gordon? 1awake Aug 2013 #12
Aliens are more likely. Dash87 Aug 2013 #17
I won't half life 3 NOW. stonecutter357 Aug 2013 #18
If they do, let them win dammit..... Marrah_G Aug 2013 #44
No, no. no..... JimboBillyBubbaBob Aug 2013 #37
In 1968 the NSA was using a similar balloon in Viet Nam, it blew away, into Cambodia 1-Old-Man Aug 2013 #46
Domestic spy drone? Civilization2 Aug 2013 #7
Alls Well = That Roswell.......nt global1 Aug 2013 #8
DUZY! Demeter Aug 2013 #13
I for one welcome our styrofoam ship-piloting overlords (nt) Nye Bevan Aug 2013 #9
weather balloon? bullshit - it's swamp gas bowens43 Aug 2013 #11
Nah, a CIA spy balloon Archae Aug 2013 #15
This situation is easily handled VWolf Aug 2013 #14
Oh noes!!! Somebody call the "hair guy!!!" Brigid Aug 2013 #16
He's "not saying it was aliens but it was the aliens" Liberalynn Aug 2013 #29
They probably already have one on the way. Brigid Aug 2013 #32
It's not a balloon; it's an airship! Orrex Aug 2013 #19
When I checked the images intaglio Aug 2013 #21
But Wallops Island isn't that far from Norfolk, is it? n/t woodsprite Aug 2013 #25
Could have been from Wallops marions ghost Aug 2013 #42
Local news story it happen Ichingcarpenter Aug 2013 #28
Sorry, intaglio Aug 2013 #34
I have to ask, do meteorologists even use Weather Balloons anymore? 1-Old-Man Aug 2013 #22
Yes: muriel_volestrangler Aug 2013 #24
Thank you, but now I'm really confused. Why don't they come down all over the place every day? 1-Old-Man Aug 2013 #38
900 is the worldwide figure; 92 in the US and territories muriel_volestrangler Aug 2013 #41
Thank you very much for that. I had no idea. 1-Old-Man Aug 2013 #48
We found one as kids. hunter Aug 2013 #47
Yes, they do. Lots and lots. SheilaT Aug 2013 #27
smaller than an ice chest. Can really tell what 'homeland security' freaks out over these days. Sunlei Aug 2013 #23
Love that chart Liberalynn Aug 2013 #26
re Mystery object falls from sky, area sealed off by military: 'Weather balloon', say officials allan01 Aug 2013 #30
Well, 3rd row, 2nd from right Kelvin Mace Aug 2013 #31
Stupid weather balloon... NewThinkingChance40 Aug 2013 #33
"Take me to your block captain." librechik Aug 2013 #35
Love your graphic! MuseRider Aug 2013 #36
Meanwhile, 9-foot tall Beings land in Russia Berlum Aug 2013 #39
I hope for their sake edhopper Aug 2013 #43
Anyone seen balloon boy lately? TeeYiYi Aug 2013 #45
. Fawke Em Aug 2013 #49

MADem

(135,425 posts)
51. That's a rather lurid condom....hope it wasn't made/dyed in China....
Sat Aug 3, 2013, 03:31 AM
Aug 2013

That coloring rubbing off could scare the living snot outta a person!

HereSince1628

(36,063 posts)
4. I suppose weather balloon is a limited hang-out for DOD surveillance blimp
Fri Aug 2, 2013, 07:48 AM
Aug 2013

Pentagon to deploy huge blimps over Washington, DC for 360-degree surveillance now being tested over DC and adjacent areas.
http://rt.com/usa/army-raytheon-jlens-blimps-594/


Ichingcarpenter

(36,988 posts)
5. Those are Barrage balloons
Fri Aug 2, 2013, 07:57 AM
Aug 2013

they help us defend ourselves from the Nazi blitz.


Geez we're at war or haven't you heard?


HereSince1628

(36,063 posts)
6. Well, if they ARE barrage balloons, apparently
Fri Aug 2, 2013, 08:01 AM
Aug 2013

US HSD doesn't want us to know we need them in the air over Virginia, and prefers us to think of them as Weather Balloons.


Do you suppose that the Army of the Potomac is getting ready to invade NE Virginia again? I've noted that the US Army has gone all retro with "blue coats" in recent years.

Ichingcarpenter

(36,988 posts)
10. either that or I fear the redcoats will try to burn DC again
Fri Aug 2, 2013, 08:23 AM
Aug 2013

Or the aliens...or

We need this surveillance to protect us from
Gordon Freeman.

JimboBillyBubbaBob

(1,389 posts)
37. No, no. no.....
Fri Aug 2, 2013, 10:03 AM
Aug 2013

.....this was over Norfolk. This means it must be a replay of the Peninsular Campaign. After all, Fort Monroe was closed a couple of years ago.

1-Old-Man

(2,667 posts)
46. In 1968 the NSA was using a similar balloon in Viet Nam, it blew away, into Cambodia
Fri Aug 2, 2013, 01:25 PM
Aug 2013

and I can assure you all hell broke loose to get it back - which we did/

 

Liberalynn

(7,549 posts)
29. He's "not saying it was aliens but it was the aliens"
Fri Aug 2, 2013, 09:44 AM
Aug 2013

Wonder how quick History 2 can get a crew out to Virginia?

intaglio

(8,170 posts)
21. When I checked the images
Fri Aug 2, 2013, 09:31 AM
Aug 2013

Before reading this I said, "That is styrofoam insulation surrounding a balloon instrument package,"

If course there is no large weather dependent organisation that operates from Norfolk that might have a remote sensing device aloft ... is there?

Sorry, this needs to be in creative speculation or better on the Fortean Times board.

marions ghost

(19,841 posts)
42. Could have been from Wallops
Fri Aug 2, 2013, 10:27 AM
Aug 2013

but there are other major military installations in SE Virginia. Accurate to say it is one of the most heavily militarized zones in the country, if not the most.

intaglio

(8,170 posts)
34. Sorry,
Fri Aug 2, 2013, 09:51 AM
Aug 2013

There's so much errr challenging (yes, thats a good word, challenging) material on DU at present.

1-Old-Man

(2,667 posts)
22. I have to ask, do meteorologists even use Weather Balloons anymore?
Fri Aug 2, 2013, 09:33 AM
Aug 2013

And just how does one end up over Norfolk undetected, one of if not the most militarized cities in the United States? One would expect that these days we would have some idea of what was flying around our skies.

muriel_volestrangler

(101,262 posts)
24. Yes:
Fri Aug 2, 2013, 09:40 AM
Aug 2013
Twice a day, every day of the year, weather balloons are released simultaneously from almost 900 locations worldwide! This includes 92 released by the National Weather Service in the US and its territories. The balloon flights last for around 2 hours, can drift as far as 125 miles away, and rise up to over 100,000 ft. (about 20 miles) in the atmosphere!



Weather balloons are the primary source of data above the ground. They provide valuable input for computer forecast models, local data for meteorologists to make forecasts and predict storms, and data for research. Computer forecast models which use weather balloon data are used by all forecasters worldwide, from National Weather Service meteorologists to your local TV weatherman! Without this information, accurate forecasts beyond a few hours would be almost impossible!

http://www.wrh.noaa.gov/vef/kids/wxballoon.php

1-Old-Man

(2,667 posts)
38. Thank you, but now I'm really confused. Why don't they come down all over the place every day?
Fri Aug 2, 2013, 10:13 AM
Aug 2013

You would think that just about everyone in the country would have seen one come down sooner or later if that many are being launched - and I have no reason at all to think otherwise what with the information you've provided.

Let me see. 900 a day for 365 days would come out to about 328,000 per year and making what is undoubtedly a mistaken assumption I'll say that they are evenly distributed so that would come out to about 6,500 taking off from and landing in each state per year. That might make them pretty rare to see in Texas but in a little state like West Virginia you'd think they'd be a foot deep on the ground. So why don't we see the things falling like snowflakes?

muriel_volestrangler

(101,262 posts)
41. 900 is the worldwide figure; 92 in the US and territories
Fri Aug 2, 2013, 10:25 AM
Aug 2013

but more than just the National Weather Service release them (universities, perhaps?) so 75,000 are released each year in the US. And 20% are returned, so they are often found.

Map of the NWS sites releasing them:

http://www.ua.nws.noaa.gov/nws_upper.htm

hunter

(38,301 posts)
47. We found one as kids.
Fri Aug 2, 2013, 01:51 PM
Aug 2013

My parents made us return it, but it was an interesting experience. They did let me unfold it so I could see how it worked.

Since before I could speak I'm always on the lookout for free electronics.

I'm not sure I could trust myself to return a government spy drone or similar equipment.

Some individual's remote control flier, sure, some Weather Service radiosonde, sure.

Something paid for in the black budget, maybe not... A little jet engine or high resolution spy cams would be too tempting...






 

SheilaT

(23,156 posts)
27. Yes, they do. Lots and lots.
Fri Aug 2, 2013, 09:41 AM
Aug 2013

According to Wikepedia about 800 weather balloons are launched twice a day around the world. Sometimes additional balloons are launched if there's a need to get information on weather.

So there's always a degree of plausibility in any "weather balloon" explanation, simply because there are so many of them out there.

Sunlei

(22,651 posts)
23. smaller than an ice chest. Can really tell what 'homeland security' freaks out over these days.
Fri Aug 2, 2013, 09:38 AM
Aug 2013

bet it won't be to long before balloons of all types are banned in only America. Homeland security gets another couple billion to regulate balloon users.

allan01

(1,950 posts)
30. re Mystery object falls from sky, area sealed off by military: 'Weather balloon', say officials
Fri Aug 2, 2013, 09:45 AM
Aug 2013
http://www.wrh.noaa.gov/vef/kids/wxballoon.php

yes. nooa still uses weather ballons for observations . sometimes even have a device called a snode for data aqasition.. they are used for uper atmosphere readings.
 

Kelvin Mace

(17,469 posts)
31. Well, 3rd row, 2nd from right
Fri Aug 2, 2013, 09:46 AM
Aug 2013

has to be swamp gas.

The primary hull is round indicating a 22nd century Constitution class starship, but the engine nacelles are from a 23rd century Galaxy class cruiser.

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