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brentspeak

(18,290 posts)
Fri Aug 2, 2013, 10:06 AM Aug 2013

Most Of The New Jobs Were Part-Time

As the CNN report below the initial article demonstrates, the shift from secure full-time permanent jobs to insecure part-time temporary work has been the hallmark of the Bush/Obama era - and this trend is accelerating.



http://www.businessinsider.com/part-time-jump-in-july-2013-8

Most Of The New Jobs Were Part-Time
Steven Perlberg Aug. 2, 2013, 8:36 AM

According to the Bureau of Labor Statistics' household survey, part-time jobs jumped by 174,000 to 28,233,000 in July.

Full-time workers climbed by 92,000.

Full-time workers are down from the May jobs report while part-time workers are up for the same time period.

Workers are generally considered to be "full time" if they work over 30 hours per week.

Some economists have speculated the shift from full time to part time [link:http://www.businessinsider.com/ubs-obamacare-delay-brings-uncertainty-2013-7derives from the employer mandate in the Affordable Care Act]. Under the legislation, employers will be required to offer health insurance or face penalties (though the White House will delay enforcement until 2015). As a result, many companies have threatened to reduce full-time staff to below the 50-employee threshold for the mandate or scale back hours.

But the effect of the employer on today's part-time figures remains unclear. In fact, some economists were more optimistic when part-time workers surged last month, arguing that the ratio of part-time to full-time was seasonal and expected.


CNN Business' report on this issue is sobering. Check out the reader comments, too:



http://money.cnn.com/2013/08/01/news/economy/temp-jobs/

Want a job? Good luck finding full-time work
By Tami Luhby @Luhby August 1, 2013: 12:49 PM ET

More people are landing jobs these days, but they are often part-time or temp work.

The number of Americans finding part-time jobs has surged this year, with more than four times as many getting only part-time work as opposed to full-time jobs, according to Labor Department data. That's the opposite of what happened last year, when full-time hires far outstripped part-time ones.

At the same time, the ranks of temps has exploded: A record 2.7 million people held these positions in June, up from 2.5 million a year ago. It will be very interesting to see if this continued in July. The government will report the latest figures about the job market on Friday.
While companies have been beefing up their temporary and part-time payrolls in recent years, the trend has accelerated in 2013, with an especially large jump in part-time hiring in June.

There has been much speculation -- and some anecdotal evidence -- that employers are trying to keep their headcount down so they aren't subject to Obamacare rules. But economic uncertainty and a lack of consumer demand are still the predominant reasons why employers are shying away from hiring full-time workers, experts said.



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Most Of The New Jobs Were Part-Time (Original Post) brentspeak Aug 2013 OP
part-time, no benefits, and how many of them were of that horrid "on-call" variety? niyad Aug 2013 #1
One DUer said that many places only schedule you a few hours, expecting you to be 'on call' CrispyQ Aug 2013 #7
And no compete clauses itsrobert Aug 2013 #11
Welcome to the new slave economy, I guess. AngryOldDem Aug 2013 #30
thats horrible Liberal_in_LA Aug 2013 #70
The REAL unemployment rate comes from the U6 figures matthews Aug 2013 #17
You just provided a government number. nt Lucky Luciano Aug 2013 #18
Yeah I did. The REAL one they should be using matthews Aug 2013 #29
yeah kardonb Aug 2013 #34
bright side? warrprayer Aug 2013 #40
If you only clap hard enough, Tinkerbell doesn't DIE!!! bvar22 Aug 2013 #42
What bright side? tumtum Aug 2013 #43
Are you nuts? People who are living these statistic have no bright side to look at. matthews Aug 2013 #48
"you folks" Skittles Aug 2013 #50
certainly you forgot the sarcasm icon, because you could not possibly have posted this seriously. niyad Aug 2013 #57
How about some compassion for the millions who are condemned to Yo_Mama Aug 2013 #58
the poster demonstrates a complete lack of compassion niyad Aug 2013 #66
Monty Python summed this up pretty well neverforget Aug 2013 #68
Even the U6 figures are undercounted by 50%. leveymg Aug 2013 #55
I'm sure the U6 undercounted, I just wouldn't have any idea by how much matthews Aug 2013 #56
Here's a BLS paper that describes the undercounting of the long-term unemployed. leveymg Aug 2013 #61
To be fair, part-timers will have Obamacare David Krout Aug 2013 #49
Yep, that fact is always ignored by Neo-DU. nt tridim Aug 2013 #53
If they can afford it Yo_Mama Aug 2013 #59
but that isn't an actual benefit of the job. enjoy your stay. niyad Aug 2013 #62
OP said no benefits David Krout Aug 2013 #65
oh, dear, having a bit of difficulty following, are we? the post to which you were replying was niyad Aug 2013 #67
AND they'll be eligible for Food stamps! Vanje Aug 2013 #69
Off to greatest with you! Anyone who's been paying attention to the job market raccoon Aug 2013 #2
That second article is exactly what my daughter was finding. snappyturtle Aug 2013 #3
And these temp jobs shanti Aug 2013 #32
+1....Amazon here I come! Safetykitten Aug 2013 #4
The 'Walmart-ization' of our economy. earthside Aug 2013 #5
This has been happening for many years. And even many of the full-time jobs are contract work. SharonAnn Aug 2013 #6
And our party want even speak of the issue. nt awoke_in_2003 Aug 2013 #36
The trend is due to the fact that they can. lumberjack_jeff Aug 2013 #15
Ronnie Raygun is the blame dicksmc3 Aug 2013 #16
reagan made greed and idiocy fashionable Skittles Aug 2013 #52
Obamacare is just the latest excuse. AngryOldDem Aug 2013 #28
Yes, now this is correct as they have their 2015 gig now. But greed works off the clock. Safetykitten Aug 2013 #38
DURec leftstreet Aug 2013 #8
One day in the future, one of our DU people will have a visit from HR.... Safetykitten Aug 2013 #9
7.6% - 7.4% = +0.2% millennialmax Aug 2013 #10
please expound on this Sheepshank Aug 2013 #13
My applause was sincere. I'm pleased with this news. I'm not sure why you think it was a slam. eom millennialmax Aug 2013 #14
I apologize for misunderstanding Sheepshank Aug 2013 #39
.... warrprayer Aug 2013 #41
kick Safetykitten Aug 2013 #12
The first quarter of 2013 AgingAmerican Aug 2013 #19
The employers who are offering only part time work Shadowflash Aug 2013 #20
Why do you think they give even a little tiny shit about that? TheKentuckian Aug 2013 #22
So now they are free... awoke_in_2003 Aug 2013 #37
I don't think business executives give a shit about what happens next quarter. winter is coming Aug 2013 #46
Typical corporate corner cutting. alp227 Aug 2013 #21
K&R MotherPetrie Aug 2013 #23
An old scam that worked well under Reagan. Take away good jobs, replace them with bullshit Catherina Aug 2013 #24
That's why I can't stand up and cheer at this news. AngryOldDem Aug 2013 #25
You see, there are the people still with full time jobs that post here. They don't get it. Safetykitten Aug 2013 #26
Oh, they get it. They just don't care. Skeeter Barnes Aug 2013 #54
And they pay less too! Welcome to the new economy. nt limpyhobbler Aug 2013 #27
Another thing shanti Aug 2013 #31
People with the jobs apparently do not see the ages of the people that wait on them, or help them.. Safetykitten Aug 2013 #33
That's IF you are over 55 and can even FIND a job at all. n/t duffyduff Aug 2013 #64
I substitute for a school district, both certified and classified employment, duffyduff Aug 2013 #63
Relatively speaking, that's a good thing... relatively speaking uponit7771 Aug 2013 #35
Another thing these companies are doing is bigdarryl Aug 2013 #44
The creation of part-time jobs is a big concern, ProSense Aug 2013 #45
That sucks but Im actually a bit surprised there were as many as 92,000 full-time jobs. DCBob Aug 2013 #47
The largest food company in the world told it's employees to get a second job. Rex Aug 2013 #51
You see the Daily Show last night? GiaGiovanni Aug 2013 #60

CrispyQ

(36,454 posts)
7. One DUer said that many places only schedule you a few hours, expecting you to be 'on call'
Fri Aug 2, 2013, 10:40 AM
Aug 2013

for periods of time, making it difficult to commit to another part time job. I had not heard of this before.

Heartless, cruel bastards.

AngryOldDem

(14,061 posts)
30. Welcome to the new slave economy, I guess.
Fri Aug 2, 2013, 12:31 PM
Aug 2013

I've never heard that before.

Everyday I am just more and more amazed at what this society is willing to lie back and tolerate.

 

kardonb

(777 posts)
34. yeah
Fri Aug 2, 2013, 01:06 PM
Aug 2013

you folks just revel in doom and gloom stuff , dont'cha ! Try to look on the bright side occasionally , you will feel better and stop your eternal whining . THAT does not improve things !

bvar22

(39,909 posts)
42. If you only clap hard enough, Tinkerbell doesn't DIE!!!
Fri Aug 2, 2013, 03:16 PM
Aug 2013

Its damned difficult to listen to the 1% celebrate Wall Street Records,
and the White House proclaiming a "Recovery"
when you can't find a job that pays enough to feed your kids.

Jobless Recoveries and Transfer of Wealth to the 1% don't happen by ACCIDENT.
They are the result of careful planning, Economic Policy, Massive Marketing Propaganda, and buying the right politicians.

 

matthews

(497 posts)
48. Are you nuts? People who are living these statistic have no bright side to look at.
Fri Aug 2, 2013, 04:27 PM
Aug 2013

Eternal whining?

I hope you end up finding out what it's like. I know that you're not supposed to wish bad things on people, but in your case it's would provide a valuable lesson that you dearly need to learn.

Skittles

(153,142 posts)
50. "you folks"
Fri Aug 2, 2013, 06:08 PM
Aug 2013

WTF is that supposed to mean? We the THINKING, CARING PEOPLE actually GIVE A DAMN which direction America is heading. YOU NEED TO TRY IT SOMETIME.

niyad

(113,251 posts)
57. certainly you forgot the sarcasm icon, because you could not possibly have posted this seriously.
Fri Aug 2, 2013, 06:36 PM
Aug 2013

but, in case you really are that lacking in any sort of comprehension, empathy or sense of connectedness, may you receive everything you deserve.

Yo_Mama

(8,303 posts)
58. How about some compassion for the millions who are condemned to
Fri Aug 2, 2013, 06:41 PM
Aug 2013

part-time employment with fluctuating hours, no security, very low pay and subsistence living?


For these people, there is just not a recovery. Last year things were getting better. This year "living wage" jobs seem to be in short supply:


And other posters are correct. Many of these part time jobs have constantly shifting hours - it is difficult to go to school or get another job with them. This is a harsh break with the past. It destroys family and social life.

leveymg

(36,418 posts)
55. Even the U6 figures are undercounted by 50%.
Fri Aug 2, 2013, 06:18 PM
Aug 2013

Probably one-in-three people who want a full-time job in America is either out of work, or working P/T, or only sporaticallly. Most self-employed "contactors" and "consultants", as well.

 

matthews

(497 posts)
56. I'm sure the U6 undercounted, I just wouldn't have any idea by how much
Fri Aug 2, 2013, 06:31 PM
Aug 2013

and I don't have anything (data, articles from reputable sources, etc.) with which I can back any idea of what I think it really is. And face it, that's the closest 'official' count we've got. I'm surprised that we're still privy to that kind of info, if you want the truth.

 

David Krout

(423 posts)
49. To be fair, part-timers will have Obamacare
Fri Aug 2, 2013, 05:35 PM
Aug 2013

Because of their low income. So we can't say they have "no benefits".

Yo_Mama

(8,303 posts)
59. If they can afford it
Fri Aug 2, 2013, 06:44 PM
Aug 2013

You try living on part-time work at very low hourly wages. Shit, you can hardly afford to get to work.

That's the type of comment I expect from a Barbara Bush, not a DUer!

Our country is being hollowed out, slowly but surely.

 

David Krout

(423 posts)
65. OP said no benefits
Fri Aug 2, 2013, 07:49 PM
Aug 2013

Dont add to the original comment. He implied no health insurance as opposed to full time.

niyad

(113,251 posts)
67. oh, dear, having a bit of difficulty following, are we? the post to which you were replying was
Fri Aug 2, 2013, 11:11 PM
Aug 2013

mine, not the OP (which stands for original poster, as in, the person who started the thread). a BENEFIT, as referenced in MY post, refers to something actually connected with the job. but, again, enjoy your stay. you have given me the best laugh I have had all night.

snappyturtle

(14,656 posts)
3. That second article is exactly what my daughter was finding.
Fri Aug 2, 2013, 10:19 AM
Aug 2013

So many of the jobs...my guess is about three quarters
were temporary....and not even temp to hire. I was helping her and was
amazed. She's in the Minneapolis area.

earthside

(6,960 posts)
5. The 'Walmart-ization' of our economy.
Fri Aug 2, 2013, 10:25 AM
Aug 2013

Some of this may be attributable to Obamacare ... but probably not much.

Most of this trend was happening before the ACA.

This is the mostly result of corporate greed and globalization.

And this 'you should be happy to get even these scraps from the table' attitude from the tea party Repuglicans and corporate elites is going to wreck this country.

I find little to be happy about these 'employment' numbers ... I just don't think they reflect the real state of the economy. So, sorry, I don't think a two-tenths of a drop in a statistic is some kind of proof that Obamanomics is a success or that we are in a 'recovery'.

I know way too many people who are earning much less than they did ten years ago, if they even have a full-time job.

SharonAnn

(13,772 posts)
6. This has been happening for many years. And even many of the full-time jobs are contract work.
Fri Aug 2, 2013, 10:29 AM
Aug 2013

The worker can be terminated at any time.

 

lumberjack_jeff

(33,224 posts)
15. The trend is due to the fact that they can.
Fri Aug 2, 2013, 11:19 AM
Aug 2013

The labor market is too weak to give labor any leverage... which is exactly the way that people like Larry Summers wants it.

dicksmc3

(262 posts)
16. Ronnie Raygun is the blame
Fri Aug 2, 2013, 11:34 AM
Aug 2013

You are dead on with your comment. And, if others find it hard to see the reason, they need to look no farther than the administration of the FAIR-HAIRED CLOWN RONNIE RAYGUN!!! His policies are still hurting after 30+ years.

AngryOldDem

(14,061 posts)
28. Obamacare is just the latest excuse.
Fri Aug 2, 2013, 12:23 PM
Aug 2013

Companies will ALWAYS have some kind of reason why they can't hire permanent, full-time employees. I don't know who they think they're bullshitting, though, because their true reason is so damned transparent.

 

Safetykitten

(5,162 posts)
9. One day in the future, one of our DU people will have a visit from HR....
Fri Aug 2, 2013, 10:42 AM
Aug 2013

"Well, you are going to have to go part-time or contract."

Moment of realization.

 

Sheepshank

(12,504 posts)
13. please expound on this
Fri Aug 2, 2013, 11:18 AM
Aug 2013

you newly arrive at a Dem site to slam the President? Do you have a few choice words for Congress too perhpas?

Shadowflash

(1,536 posts)
20. The employers who are offering only part time work
Fri Aug 2, 2013, 12:00 PM
Aug 2013

to avoid giving benefits are shooting themselves in the foot.

This forces people to buy insurance independently, from an exchange, and without the benefits to tie people to their shitty jobs, why would anybody stay at these jobs? I know people who say, all the time, I'd leave my job to go do this or that but I need the insurance for my family.

TheKentuckian

(25,023 posts)
22. Why do you think they give even a little tiny shit about that?
Fri Aug 2, 2013, 12:16 PM
Aug 2013

There are plenty more drones chomping at the bit to replace such folks and they probably can be had at a fair discount over the established person.

winter is coming

(11,785 posts)
46. I don't think business executives give a shit about what happens next quarter.
Fri Aug 2, 2013, 04:11 PM
Aug 2013

Long-term consequences don't seem to be a factor anymore. It's all about pinching pennies in the here and now to up your bonus.

alp227

(32,015 posts)
21. Typical corporate corner cutting.
Fri Aug 2, 2013, 12:08 PM
Aug 2013

Enabled by ObamaCare too. SINGLE PAYER NOW.

Also I wonder if "letting the free market decide" caused this rise in part time hiring.

Catherina

(35,568 posts)
24. An old scam that worked well under Reagan. Take away good jobs, replace them with bullshit
Fri Aug 2, 2013, 12:19 PM
Aug 2013

and claim the unemployment numbers are going up while workers sink even deeper into poverty and corporate profits go up.

AngryOldDem

(14,061 posts)
25. That's why I can't stand up and cheer at this news.
Fri Aug 2, 2013, 12:21 PM
Aug 2013

Quality means as much as quantity, at least to me.

I am a temporary, full-time employee who is currently "on vacation" until October. My freelance work, which I considered a nice security blanket, has evaporated because the publishing house I work for has now outsourced all that work, so I don't know where exactly that leaves me. (I guess freelancers don't deserve the same courtesy of explanation that any other "real" employee would get).

This is scary. I can rationalize it and think as positively as I want, but that does not mask the reality that I am not working full time permanently, and have to pay my own health insurance expenses.

And it's only going to get worse....



shanti

(21,675 posts)
31. Another thing
Fri Aug 2, 2013, 12:39 PM
Aug 2013

about part time jobs as opposed to full time, is than now EVERYONE is competing for the part time jobs. By everyone, I'm referring not just to the general adult population, but also the teens and the seniors, the age groups that typically only want a part time job. These two groups often are already covered by Medicare or their parents' ( in the teens case) insurance.

We're all fighting over the scraps!

 

Safetykitten

(5,162 posts)
33. People with the jobs apparently do not see the ages of the people that wait on them, or help them..
Fri Aug 2, 2013, 12:49 PM
Aug 2013

like the 85 year old at Home Depot and the other over 60 people, or the huge amount of people that my buddy sees at his phone center job that are over 60.

But no matter...

 

duffyduff

(3,251 posts)
63. I substitute for a school district, both certified and classified employment,
Fri Aug 2, 2013, 06:58 PM
Aug 2013

and you wouldn't believe how competitive even the part-time, no benefits jobs are. The district COULD make fewer jobs and have them full-time, but with classified staff they've decided they don't want to pay for benefits--especially PERS. There could be a couple of dozen people inside the district as subs competing for these lousy-paid jobs because they want to be able to have a shot at the few full-time jobs.

 

bigdarryl

(13,190 posts)
44. Another thing these companies are doing is
Fri Aug 2, 2013, 03:39 PM
Aug 2013

Discriminating against older people in there 50's they seem to want to hire young kids

ProSense

(116,464 posts)
45. The creation of part-time jobs is a big concern,
Fri Aug 2, 2013, 04:08 PM
Aug 2013

"As the CNN report below the initial article demonstrates, the shift from secure full-time permanent jobs to insecure part-time temporary work has been the hallmark of the Bush/Obama era - and this trend is accelerating. "

...but what the hell does this have to do with Bush, who created zero jobs in his two terms? The Clinton boom was also based on a lot of part-time jobs and low-wage jobs.

Still, you're comparing apples and oranges related to the jobs numbers. From the OP.

According to the Bureau of Labor Statistics' household survey, part-time jobs jumped by 174,000 to 28,233,000 in July.

Full-time workers climbed by 92,000.

That's a total of 266,000 full- and part-time jobs. There were only 162,000 jobs created. The reason is that information you cite is from the Household Survey, which determines the unemployment rate. The Establishment Survey determines the number of jobs created.

http://www.bls.gov/news.release/empsit.nr0.htm

DCBob

(24,689 posts)
47. That sucks but Im actually a bit surprised there were as many as 92,000 full-time jobs.
Fri Aug 2, 2013, 04:15 PM
Aug 2013

That does give some hope.

 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
51. The largest food company in the world told it's employees to get a second job.
Fri Aug 2, 2013, 06:10 PM
Aug 2013

Sign of the times we live in.

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