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Wearing hijab helps body confidence
British Muslim women who wear the hijab feel generally better about their body image than those who dont wear the hijab suggests research published in the British Journal of Psychology today.
The research, conducted by Dr Viren Swami from the University of Westminster and colleagues looked at body image issues amongst British Muslim women.
Dr Swami explained: In the West anxiety about body image, for women, is so prevalent its considered normal. This study aimed to explore how these attitudes differ within a British Muslim community.
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Participants undertook a number of questionnaires that asked them to rate their own feelings of body dissatisfaction, how much pressure the media put on them to be attractive and how religious they were. They were also asked to match their own figure to a set of female silhouette images that ranged from emaciated to obese.
The results showed that women who wore the hijab generally had a more positive body image, were less influenced by the medias beauty ideals and placed less importance on appearance.
http://www.bps.org.uk/news/wearing-hijab-helps-body-confidence
cali
(114,904 posts)kestrel91316
(51,666 posts)Hijab does not cover the body. I guess that doesn't matter to the knee-jerk anti-muslim crowd.
These pictures will clue you in:
https://www.google.com/search?q=hijab&um=1&ie=UTF-8&hl=en&tbm=isch&source=og&sa=N&tab=wi&ei=Ce37Uf7JNub6igLWjYCYDg&biw=1366&bih=643&sei=Iu37UdWUGqGCiwLt5oHgCA
Hijab is a HEAD SCARF that also covers the neck and in some cases the upper chest.
riderinthestorm
(23,272 posts)your body.
Its part and parcel of observing that religious practice on covering for females.
You would never see an observant Muslimah in a hijab and bathing suit. Or shorts. Or just about anything but long sleeves and pants.
I'm pretty sure Cali knew what she was talking about. Wearing hijab also means your body is fully covered.
Lizzie Poppet
(10,164 posts)Oh, wait...
MADem
(135,425 posts)Young ladies in Iran get in trouble all the time for their form-fitting manteaus. In summer they DARE to show their arms from the elbows down--at no small risk to themselves.
The manteau is a newer form of covering, like a "car coat" -- it is supposed to be worn with pants, and it is supposed to be loosely tailored and hit around the knee or sometimes a bit lower, but the young in Tehran wear them tight and short, with skin tight pants and high, high heels.
They're only doing that in northern Tehran, in packs, in the expensive areas, where the baseej are less likely to make a stink, but they're doing it. They're pushing the envelope, and they aren't fans of hijab. The young kids want to wear whatever they'd like and not be forced into a "street uniform" by stupid old men with issues. They even hassle the boys for wearing tee shirts, so it's not just the girls who get a bit of guff, though the girls get the bulk of it.
A variation of the old "transparent chador" (made of material from India/Pakistan, very gossamer) is the "transparent hijab." You see those now and again, of course, women are taking a bigger chance with those--if they're smart they'll have an opaque backup in their pack or purse.
What the ulema want (but cover that damn hair!!!)
What the young girls wear when the baseej aren't chasing them around beating on them.
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What the brave fashion-forward young ladies are wearing....
arely staircase
(12,482 posts)I see the hijab/tight jeans and t-shirt look every time I go to the nearest State U.
Lizzie Poppet
(10,164 posts)Always good to have more information!
Definitely more form-revealing than I'm used to seeing here in Portland - where there are more Muslims than one might imagine, including a lot of students at PSU, etc. (it's a pretty diverse city, which I enjoy). You seldom see the full burqa here, but it's most common to see the hijab paired with loose, fairly form-obscuring clothing.
Again, thanks to ya both!
MADem
(135,425 posts)What passes muster in Pakistan would get a young girl beaten on the street in Teheran or Jeddah!
Happy to help!
arely staircase
(12,482 posts)I have seen tons of Muslim exchange students wearing the hijab and tight jeans and a t-shirt. not revealing by our standards, but way over the sexy line by muslim fundie standards (I assume these young women are non-fundie muslims).
Mosby
(16,297 posts)it can mean a headscarf
or
"the practice of dressing modestly"
MADem
(135,425 posts)treestar
(82,383 posts)There's no way to publicly compare women and their bodies, or even their faces. So the standards don't emerge - like we have here.
kestrel91316
(51,666 posts)Response to kestrel91316 (Reply #10)
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BainsBane
(53,029 posts)wear tight fighting long skirts as well as head scarves. I wear Maxi skirts too, only they aren't tight, and I don't wear a scarf. There is no question their clothing is more form fitting than mine.
The older Somali women wear loser fitting, more modest clothing. Of course some dress in Western style.
kestrel91316
(51,666 posts)like I am some skank 'ho or like I'm at the beach is not ok. American society frowns on medical professionals dressing too casually or showing up naked.
The observant Jewish women in my community always wear long sleeves, ankle length dresses or skirts, and a HEAD SCARF (though it is wrapped a different style) and I don't hear anybody bitching about how oppressive that is.
ENOUGH with the anti-muslim bigotry.
Yo_Mama
(8,303 posts)The kicker is, he was Jewish! He was the only one who had a problem, but he was the big boss so she didn't move on in the job application process.
I think that anti-Muslim prejudice extends to other members of non-popular sects, and vice-versa. People who are willing to make stereotypes against people who don't dress "normally" are rather bigoted, in my view. It's nobody else's business if a woman wants to wear a head scarf or looser garments.
MADem
(135,425 posts)They are bald under those wigs because their faith requires them to shave their heads after marriage.
And there is some talk of repression of women in that community. They even made a movie about it.
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0120793/
And one of those repressed women wrote a pretty scathing book about it:
http://shine.yahoo.com/love-sex/unorthodox-womans-journey-repression-freedom-201000868.html
At 17, Feldman's grandparents pushed her into an arranged marriage with a virtual stranger, but she had never even heard the word "sex" spoken or learned about the very basics of human reproduction. Once married, she was expected to shave her head and wear a wigsomething she rebelled against after a year because she found it so depressing. Seven years later, despite the fact she knew she would be hated as a pariah, she abandoned her community and started life over.
You might be surprised that Feldman didn't grow up in a far away country with repressive laws against women, but in an ultra-conservative Jewish enclave in New York City. "They've passed more laws from out of nowhere, limiting womenthere's a rule that women can't be on the street after a certain hour," Feldman told the New York Post describing the Hasidic Satmar community in which she was raised. "We all hear these stories about Muslim extremists; how is this any better? This is just another example of extreme fundamentalism."
Feldman explained the roots of Satmar Hasidism to the Daily Mail. She describes a Jewish sect that has largely turned its back on the modern word, which she says is, "a reaction to the atrocities of Holocaust." Most of the members are descendants of Holocaust survivors who fled from Hungary and Romania during the Second World War. She continues, "Hasidic Jews in America eagerly returned to a heritage that had been on the verge of disappearing, donning traditional dress and speaking only in Yiddish, as their ancestors had done." The community emphasizes family life and reproduction in order to, as Feldman puts it, "replace the many who had perished and to swell their ranks once more. To this day, Hasidic communities continue to grow rapidly, in what is seen as the ultimate revenge against Hitler."
A rather famous Jewish celebrity quite recently had something to say about subjugation of women by the orthodox (hate this word because it is over-used, but it fits) patriarchy:
http://www.csmonitor.com/World/Latest-News-Wires/2013/0618/Barbra-Streisand-Women-shouldn-t-sit-in-back-of-bus-in-Israel-video
American entertainer Barbra Streisand on Monday took a swipe at Orthodox Jews in Israel who compel women to sit in the back of buses and assault them for following religious rituals traditionally reserved for men.
"It's distressing to read about women in Israel being forced to sit in the back of a bus or... having metal chairs hurled at them when they intend to peacefully and legally pray. Or women being banned from singing in public ceremonies," she said. .... A public bus system operating in some Israeli cities forces gender segregation in deference to ultra-Orthodox rabbis who have long wielded political power in the Jewish state.
Some of these clerics are also battling against a women's prayer group seeking to liberalize worship at the Western Wall, one of Judaism's holiest sites. The women wear prayer shawls and read aloud from the Jewish scriptures there, defying a tradition that only men should do so.
Streisand starred in a 1983 film "Yentl" which explores the yearning of Jewish women for religious equality with men.
The Catholic Church also discriminates against women by not allowing them to be priests--something the Pope recently said is "non-negotiable."
Religion, in general, wants women to put a nickle in the box so they will be saved, but if they aren't doing that, they want them to shut up. It's an unfortuate reality and it does not matter if you are talking about the ulema, the rabbis, or the priests.
This isn't just a Muslim problem, but they do have the worst track record--no doubt. They still continue to push back against/ignore laws against child marriage; it's one of the (many) reason that people are annoyed with the MB in Egypt.
To get back to the larger issue of clothes, though, I think people should wear what is comfortable within the bounds of taste. I don't want to see acres of skin on ANYONE, male or female, except at the beach. A lot of times, despite all this talk about "low self esteem" and "body shame," there are plenty of people out there who think they look better than they actually do, and they should put some damn clothes on.
That said, in a professional setting, such as a medical facility, a certain type of clothing (too little, too sloppy, too "unique to show my special PERSONALITY" tends to make one think that the wearer is either excessively self-involved or unserious.
kestrel91316
(51,666 posts)is done so they don't have to wear a head covering, because the wig IS the head covering. My college BF, who was Jewish, explained all this to me. When they wear a scarf or hat it is to cover their REAL hair.
The head shaving and wigs is most closely associated with the HASIDIC Jews who are ultra-conservative Jewish fundamentalists. They are mostly back in NYC as part of the Lubavitch community, IIRC. THEY oppress their women.
MADem
(135,425 posts)She wears the wig (which is kind of obvious and way too dark for her age and stage) with a scarf on it. She also wears long straight skirts, shirts and long cardigan-style sweaters, and thick socks and flat shoes.
Pretty much every one of her friends wears the same uniform. They look like old USSR era agricultural workers. It's not a good look...
kestrel91316
(51,666 posts)to look fashionable. But yeah, it's a uniform.
MADem
(135,425 posts)They have this vibe going on, only with long sleeves :
Interesting article on the whole modesty topic, here, very much worth a glance:
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/12/16/nyregion/16shun.html?_r=0
According to the police, Mrs. Greenberg said she was singled out because she chose to wear denim skirts, long, natural-looking wigs made of human hair, and stockings without a visible seam traditionally worn because they show that womens legs are not bare.
The incidents offered a rare glimpse into the strict social dynamics that govern life in this village of 20,000 people, an hour from Manhattan and not far from West Point. It is a place where television and the Internet are forbidden and women do not drive, restrictions intended to provide a haven from the temptations of the outside world.
Occasionally someone defies the social mores whether it is a young man frequenting bars in the nearby village of Monroe or a woman dressing inappropriately or flirting. That is when the vaad hatznius, the rabbinically appointed modesty committee that enforces the villages rules of behavior and appearance, intervenes.
If we find they have a TV or a married woman wont wear a wig, we will invite them to speak with us and try to convince them its unacceptable, or next year we will not accept their children into the school system, said David Ekstein, the vice president of the villages leading congregation, Yetev Lev, and one of eight men who make up the committee, hand-picked by Rabbi Aaron Teitelbaum, the towns spiritual leader.
treestar
(82,383 posts)Only your hair is hidden. OK, nice. That alone gives a woman more confidence? What's the link?
kestrel91316
(51,666 posts)all this poutrage is directed against Muslim women and not one iota is directed toward orthodox Jewish women or Amish women or other fundamentalist Christian women, most of whom also wear conservative dress and various head coverings.
They are ALL following their own religions of their own free will, and in the United States we have freedom of religion and freedom of conscience. If you don't like that, you need to find somewhere else to live because nobody gets to tell these women they cannot wear the clothing in question.
If there is some public safety issue such as driver's license photos when a woman wears a niqab or burqa, that is different.
IOW, people need to mind their own damned business.
Yo_Mama
(8,303 posts)And not always from the people you'd expect.
I would know. I come from a Mennonite background, and that's the way I was raised. It's nothing extreme, but some people knew about it and I took guff from one teacher in elementary school because of it.
I have personally seen several female job applicants get ruled out for their religious beliefs. And as I wrote in another post above, one of them was an Orthodox Jewish woman (interviewing for a programmer's positiion), and the person who didn't want her employed was a Jew himself, but not Orthodox.
I totally agree with you - people should mind their own business. As long as it's basic attire suited to the workplace, wearing longer sleeves, a head covering or looser clothing should have nothing to do with people getting hired or not.
treestar
(82,383 posts)more confidence in their bodies.
This could be cultural.
Nobody said anything about not wearing them. People are so sensitive around here. The topic of this post was a survey showing those who wore them had more confidence in their bodies.
liberal_at_heart
(12,081 posts)I have pictures of my mother wearing a scarf over her hair. It used to be fashionable. What is considered acceptable changes over time. What doesn't change is people's judgments of others. People will always justify feeling superior to others and feeling like they have the authority to tell people what they should and should not be doing.
treestar
(82,383 posts)this kind of restriction for women runs against their equality? Over time, those restrictions have been lifted.
In fact in Muslim countries, the more liberal countries are the ones that lift these requirements.
So it goes against the grain they feel better about their bodies, or, we can see a dichotomy between freedom for women and what they wear and the fact that more exposure of the body results in more judgment of it, more comparisons, and thus feeling worse about it due to some flaw that the various religious get-ups that hide more, hide. The woman doesn't have to deal with public judgment of it.
The extreme, chador, or the term for the ones that cover up everything - no public showing of anything means no beauty contests.
I thought it an interesting issue. But then in the end would not trade the discomfort with ones bodily "flaws" for a society like the ones in which these things are required wearing (even just the one that hides only the hair - it's funny how similar that is to the hat we had to wear to church on Sundays as kids. Men's hair is no threat to God, but ours was!)
samsingh
(17,594 posts)that hardly seems fair.
JustAnotherGen
(31,798 posts)Right? Burqua is full on - and head covering is just the head and shoulders. Eh? I don't believe in wearing one's religion/spirituality - it's a non starter for me. So I certainly wouldn't adopt another faith's declaration of belief in spirit. Besides! I'm 40 and fabulous. It's true - you hit that number and suddenly you just drop the dang rope and get to living.
leftynyc
(26,060 posts)make them feel better about their bodies? Not sure how that works.
pipi_k
(21,020 posts)refer to a body covering...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hijab
leftynyc
(26,060 posts)I thought it just referred to a head covering. Thanks for the link.
surrealAmerican
(11,360 posts)... to be the opposite: feeling better about your body might make you more likely to wear a hijab.
The "findings" here were based on surveying women who chose whether or not to wear hijabs about their body-image.
msongs
(67,394 posts)loli phabay
(5,580 posts)Warpy
(111,237 posts)Women in the west who wear the hijab (or even abaya) are pretty much choosing to do so, even if it's to shut up a carping husband. It's quite a different proposition in some parts of the world, where self appointed thugs calling themselves guardians of morality go around clubbing women who are showing a strand of hair or nail polish or anything else they've decided their god (who resembles them in every way) doesn't like.
I see a lot of veiled ladies in my area, which is the cheap part of town and home to a lot of new immigrants. It's a piece of cloth and doesn't take away from conversations over the produce at the local grocery.
Besides, this is the desert, and one of the first things you learn out here is to cover up, especially in summer.
riderinthestorm
(23,272 posts)Like the Australian aborigines or many desert tribes in Africa etc.
I don't think its at all apparent that "covering up" is obvious because one lives in the desert. The covering up part seems to manifest itself with strong patriarchal religions AND a desert environment.
Without that kind of strong patriarchy, everyone goes naked.
Warpy
(111,237 posts)Oh, hell, we know it is.
I'd be dead from sun poisoning if I exposed my Irish hide to a full day of sun at 6000 feet.
riderinthestorm
(23,272 posts)The average Saudi bedouin is as dark skinned as the desert tribal Native Americans who used to go unclothed before the missionaries got to them.
MADem
(135,425 posts)Everyone with a brain covers up because the sun beats down terribly. Only recently (well, relatively so) have sunglasses come into vogue as well, to protect against the sun's rays. There's a lot of eye disease in the Middle East, much of it down to too much sun exposure.
The full bore "thobe" is more covering than an Iranian woman in a manteau and scarf might wear.
That said, they like the women in those heavy, lined abayas, sometimes with the face cover or the lace veil.
And for the men, even though many wear it, it's OPTIONAL.
Not the case with the women.
wickerwoman
(5,662 posts)In the middle east, they still have rivers and areas that are green enough to pasture sheep so they can make coverings out of wool. Also linen and flax from reeds growing by the rivers.
The aborigines didn't have sheep until the European colonisation and they don't have large rivers or marshlands. Likewise in sub-Saharan Africa there are area where people just don't have access to the materials or the technologies to keep everyone covered to the same extent they are in other areas. And food is so sparse there, they have to spend almost all of their time and energy on gathering basic sustenance and don't have the surplus time to invest in weaving, spinning or tanning.
Gormy Cuss
(30,884 posts)Voluntary adaptation of hijab is akin to choosing whether to wear makeup,heels, etc. The anecdotal information I have based on co-workers would support the notion that they're less obsessed with body image than most of my other colleagues.
liberal_at_heart
(12,081 posts)If I were totally crazy feminist I could harrass my daughter and yell at her everytime she wears something I don't agree with. I could tell her that her sexuality has nothing to do with bras that push her boobs up, and shorts that barely go past her cheeks, but I do believe in freedom and my daughter is grown. She can wear whatever she wants. I have taught her that she is a wonderfully strong, independent, creative, intelligent, capable, and caring person and that her looks are not the only value she has. she knows these things. She knows her sexuality does not define her. She is also young and enjoys her sexuality, and that is okay too. So if I believe in her freedom why should tell her to cover up. But if all that is true then why should we tell women who chose to cover up not to. Where is the freedom in that?
Yo_Mama
(8,303 posts)which probably implies something about their general levels of confidence and independence, which probably equates to a better body image.
It's just like those women (and most of us have met at least one), who knows what kind of clothing she likes and feels comfortable in and wears that clothing, whether it's in the style of the moment or not.
I doubt that wearing a headscarf would make one feel better about oneself, but I can easily believe that women who will wear attire that's somewhat different than the norm probably are less cowed by public attitude than others, on average.
Warpy
(111,237 posts)My mother, who was too cheap to use a beauty salon, knew that well and usually wore one to the grocery store. Uh, and she was Irish.
millennialmax
(331 posts)liberal_at_heart
(12,081 posts)healthy body images of themselves.
kestrel91316
(51,666 posts)I am sick of the RW anti-muslim talking points and faux concern about those poor girls in their (gasp) headscarves!!!!!
I own a number of scarves and wear them especially in the winter to keep my hair from being blown about and my ears warm. You should have seen the rude stares I used to get in the years after 9/11, and I am blonde/blue-eyed.
Eff these paternalistic control freaks. LET US WEAR SCARVES, no matter what our reasons are!!!
0rganism
(23,937 posts)Really, why should Muslim women get all the breaks?
(i kid, i kid...)
if the rules applied to women also applied to men in Islam as well as other religions, the rules would be a lot different.
kestrel91316
(51,666 posts)in it. My religion or lack thereof or what my motivation is (in my case keeping ears warm and hair tidy) is nobody's concern.
liberal_at_heart
(12,081 posts)banned head scarfs all I could think was great they have extremists telling them they have to wear them, they have secularists telling them they can't wear them. The women are stuck in the middle with no choice, having people on both sides telling them what they can or cannot do. Women should have the freedom to do as THEY chose. Not as someone else tells them to chose. Congratulations on taking control of your choices and your freedom. To hell with everybody else.
MADem
(135,425 posts)Hell, the French are the MASTERS of the artfully worn scarf. Hermes, anyone??
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_ban_on_face_covering
The French ban on face covering (French: Loi interdisant la dissimulation du visage dans l'espace public, "Act prohibiting concealment of the face in public space" is an act of parliament passed by the Senate of France on 14 September 2010, resulting in the ban on the wearing of face-covering headgear, including masks, helmets, balaclava, niqābs and other veils covering the face in public places, except under specified circumstances.[1] The ban also applies to the burqa, a full-body covering, if it covers the face. The bill had previously been passed by the National Assembly of France on 13 July 2010.[2]
The key argument supporting this proposal is that face-coverings prevent the clear identification of a person, which is both a security risk, and a social hindrance within a society which relies on facial recognition and expression in communication. The key argument against the ban is that it encroaches on individual freedoms.[3]
As of 11 April 2011, it is illegal to wear a face-covering veil or other mask in public places such as the street, shops, museums, public transportation, and parks. Veils such as the chador, scarves and other headwear that do not cover the face, are not affected by this law and can be worn.[4]
Lee-Lee
(6,324 posts)To justify a socio-religious system that is horribly oppressive of women that makes the men feel better about it.
kestrel91316
(51,666 posts)extreme fundie Christian women???
(crickets chirping)
I often wear headscarves and I don't think it's anybody's concern but my own.
Lee-Lee
(6,324 posts)Around here I consider the long denim skirt and modest shirt combo worn by fundie women the "southern burqua".
GiaGiovanni
(1,247 posts)cherokeeprogressive
(24,853 posts)Deep13
(39,154 posts)"I'm ugly as sin, but I feel confident because no one can see me." That is not a positive body image.
Peacetrain
(22,874 posts)full covering with only the eyes showing. If a person chooses that, well their buisness, and no one else. But when people are forced, as what happened in Afghanistan and other very conservative Muslim countries (they can be beaten, burned and even killed), or in Fundamentalist Mormon cults (as an example), then it becomes problematic. Its all about free will, and free choice
If a British Muslim woman, chooses to wear a head-covering of her own free will, I am sure she feels fine about her body image, because it is something she chose to do.
If forced, you can bet there is fear and anxiety behind it, even if not voiced.
Lee-Lee
(6,324 posts)Even if not by law, pressure from family, husband, culture forces it.
It is pretty telling that outside of religious communities, how many places to women just choose to dress in such a fashion?
If you are born into most of these religions, those same forces stay and pressure you not to leave.
Only if someone freely, without pressure, chooses to adopt such a religion can you say it is a free choice to adopt that manner of dress. Why any woman would is beyond me.