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ROUND ROCK -- He never thought his visit with her Thursday, July 25 would be his last.
We got to sit down at McDonalds and have lunch and play for a while, said Round Rock resident Joshua Hill.
She got a little 'Despicable Me 2' toy in her happy meal and she loved it. She kept climbing up in my lap and she fed me french fries.
But on Monday night, Hills daughter Alexandria, or Alex as they liked to call her, was rushed to a Rockdale hospital with severe head injuries, then flown to Scott and White Childrens Emergency Hospital in Temple and immediately placed on life support.
Alex was living with foster parents after DFPS removed her from her parent's home last November for "neglectful supervision."
Hill admits they were smoking pot when their daughter was asleep.
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For two months, Alex was placed in a home that Hill says was dangerous.
She would come to visitation with bruises on her, and mold and mildew in her bag. It got to a point where I actually told CPS that they would have to have me arrested because I wouldn't let her go back."
http://www.kvue.com/news/Father-of-murdered-foster-child-speaks-to-KVUE-218037541.html
AndyA
(16,993 posts)I hope whoever is responsible for this little girl's death is held responsible for their actions, and will never be in a position to hurt anyone again.
liberal_at_heart
(12,081 posts)Pisces
(5,599 posts)50lbs. of pot in the house????
This is crazy!!
ceonupe
(597 posts)Not explained here.
But losing your kids for 12 months does not happen for smoking pot or even having some.
I wish someone had more details on why he child was removed. We're there other reported issues with this family, were the parents just smoking pot but other adults there doing/manufacturing other drugs? This article provides very little detail. I am strong pro legalization on MJ but I won't hang my hat on this as being a great case for over reach in our drug laws without more information of the process that led the parents to losing custody of the child.
Very sad what happened to this child and I hope the persons responsible are punished.
loyalsister
(13,390 posts)I can understand the natural intuitive outrage. But, the fact is that it is illegal. And until it is legalized, users will be very likely interacting with criminals pretty regularly. We all know that violent crime is a common element in illegal drug trade (and one of the strongest arguments for legalization).
Contrary1
(12,629 posts)How about the judge that sent kids to jail for extended terms for minor offenses?
How about the former state school superintendant from Indiana caught changing grades for a certain charter school?
There's money to be made when everything is privatized.
ceonupe
(597 posts)What is going on?
I can bring up things wrong in general in all systems.
The fact that a private company does background checks should not surprise anyone. The us government uses a private company for background checks for security clearances and detailed investigations on backgrounds.
I said I believe the outcome of this is tragic and should not have happened. But the actual details of how this child was taken from this family to begin with need more detail.
In our town a lady getting high passed out and her small child left the house via an unlocked door and was found in the middle of the street. When police found her she was removed from the home not because the parent smoked pot but because this was the 2nd time this child was found outside the home with no one watching. It was neglect. It was not CPS making a stand against MJ but rather CPS saying don't let your adult choice make you an irresponsible parent and risk the safety of your kids. FYI that same month a lady was super drunk and the same thing happened and another parent had their child removed. In these cases I don't believe it was a bout MJ.
Bluenorthwest
(45,319 posts)They belong to Texas.
Chemisse
(30,803 posts)post-bedtime pot smoking.
Didn't we ALL smoke a joint after the kids were tucked in bed now and then? How would the authorities even know that was happening unless there was some 'incident' that led them to their door.
Still, no matter what the real story is, it is truly tragic to have a child die when in foster care. The parents must be devastated.
Blasphemer
(3,261 posts)If it's true that there were obvious signs of abuse in the foster home, then this should never have happened. Foster children are seen pretty often by social workers, health care providers, child care providers, etc. How could they leave the child in that home?
I suspect the parents had prior drug issues and that's why the pot-smoking triggered losing their child. I've seen that happen and sometimes the social workers have little say because of the rules they are working under.
WolverineDG
(22,298 posts)they will never shut down a foster home unless pressured from the outside. There is too much money to be made off of "abused" kids.
I had to work with parents & kids caught up in the CPS system.
rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)work for the NSA. And anywayz I didnt inhale.
Chemisse
(30,803 posts)would be laughing hysterically over the likes of Barney Miller and Taxi - and just what we had to say to each other. It was a delightful way to spend the evening after all the day's chores had been done and the kids were asleep.
And if NSA is reading this, F--- you!! Go ahead and put this right in my file, along with my political comments, Facebook likes, cell phone records, and EZpass comings and goings.
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rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)thing you wear on your back that you pack your school books in.
Jefferson23
(30,099 posts)proxy for the placement of this child. Without knowing the details of what was documented by the
state about her parents, other than what is posted here in the story, it seems incredible.
What a nightmare and I am suspicious of how this private agency makes it's money, and how much
money for these placements the state agency should be doing.
Fucking idiot bastards.
malaise
(268,693 posts)And ganja is harmless
warrior1
(12,325 posts)Goddamn all of them
rurallib
(62,379 posts)I can't imagine the pain the family is going through.
Hydra
(14,459 posts)Or keep paying the price in bodies. Simple choice from where I'm standing.
Harmony Blue
(3,978 posts)nothing progressive about these "drug" laws.
Faygo Kid
(21,477 posts)Let alone arrested. She's long grown up now, but this is just heartbreaking.
MrModerate
(9,753 posts)arely staircase
(12,482 posts)90-percent
(6,828 posts)The most dangerous effect of smoking pot is being subjected to our criminal justice system.
-90% Jimmy
progressoid
(49,945 posts)Bluenorthwest
(45,319 posts)refuse to have their atavistic laws placed at the feet of other States just so Texans can feel better. They did this in Texas, with Texas laws.
AsahinaKimi
(20,776 posts)AtomicKitten
(46,585 posts)Phlem
(6,323 posts)I can't bear to think about it. We just let our girl stay overnight at grandma's this weekend. The first time we've been apart since she was born. She's 7 now.
I hope we all know pot wasn't the issue here.
-p
malokvale77
(4,879 posts)it was the justification. CPS and foster care is a really ugly business in Texas. I would go so far as to say criminal.
As long as there is money to be made, and so called "Christian" families wanting to short cut adoptions, this kind of tragedy will continue.
arcane1
(38,613 posts)"The agency in this case is called Texas Mentor and state records show 15 total deficiencies for the Austin branch of that agency over the past two years.
Four of those deficiencies were for failing to perform proper background checks on people who live in foster homes."
They have to fucking privatize EVERYTHING!!!! There's MONEY to be made here, and tight background checks means fewer available homes, and less $$$$$$$$ for the greedy assholes.
RedCappedBandit
(5,514 posts)Fuck these corporate asshats and their privatization scheming.
The goal should be happy and healthy children. When you have private agencies in control of the lives of foster children, is their motivation the wellbeing of the children, or is it just MONEY?
Despicable.
KittyWampus
(55,894 posts)stable homes simply to funnel money into this sick private system. The way judges were funneling kids into private prisons.
malokvale77
(4,879 posts)That's exactly what is going on. It goes even farther. CPS gets more money from the "feds" if they are able to adopt out a child. Beautiful, well adjusted, white children are in high demand. I'll bet if the parents in this story look at the initial paperwork, they will find a simple notation...adoptable
Quantess
(27,630 posts)The Straight Story
(48,121 posts)Quantess
(27,630 posts)As a matter of fact I just home from a party where we drank alcohol. Anyway...
The Straight Story
(48,121 posts)mick063
(2,424 posts)I don't know all the circumstances involved with removing the child. Perhaps or perhaps not, it was legitimate to place her.
The only fact I do know is that the child died in the "care" of the state of Texas.
This is where it has to start with me. I would expect that the parents should be compensated although such a loss can never be truly compensated for.
I would also be inclined to terminate the services of the person that deemed the foster home adequate as well as require further training for people that hold such a position. Further, there appeared to be a lack of monitoring once the child had been placed.
elehhhhna
(32,076 posts)civil or criminal
NewThinkingChance40
(289 posts)or care to believe in foster care. There are far too many foster parents out there who only do it for the paycheck from the state. It is so sad that children have to go through this in America, and it is sad how often the system intervenes in loving homes.
elehhhhna
(32,076 posts)that's what we called it in Chicago anyway.
Foster 6 kids - have $ to rent a house, etc. Spend ALAP on them, keep the difference. It's a numbers game though. You need volume to be profitable
Spitfire of ATJ
(32,723 posts)The jarhead type cop at the door saw it and immediately knocked her down and stood on her throat and was screaming a bunch of "destruction of American Society" stuff and calling her a "Commie".
That was during the Reagan Years.
Bluenorthwest
(45,319 posts)nt
Spitfire of ATJ
(32,723 posts)elehhhhna
(32,076 posts)blackspade
(10,056 posts)The fact that the child was removed from the home at all is a travesty.
Thanks drug warriors, one more body for your score card.
Assholes.
kenny blankenship
(15,689 posts)So he won't have to live with the shame of having a druggie for a daughter.
Ah, America: all the casual brutality of the third world, plus the intrusive puritanical prerogatives of Nanny State Britain- it's the best of both worlds!
nessa
(317 posts)As someone said above, why she was taken isn't really the point. The point is they placed her with a homicidal maniac.
http://www.kxan.com/dpp/news/crime/two-year-old-dies-in-foster-care
Alexandria was taken from her Williamson County home and placed into Small's foster home in January; according to the Texas Department of Family and Protective Service (TDFPS), Small was a licensed foster parent through Texas Mentor.
"She was placed into foster care for neglectful supervision because her mother and I smoked pot at the time," explained Hill.
According to court records, Alexandria's mother had a medical condition that does not allow for the child to be left alone with her. The TDFPS also received allegations that Hill used marijuana on a regular basis and on one occasion Hill almost dropped Alexandria while going down the stairs of the home as he was trying to hand the child to his sister.
During the month of November, Alexandria was being cared for by her paternal grandmother before the State intervened on Nov. 26.
The TDFPS concluded that "Through the assessment of the Department and family members of the parents, it appears the parents have limited parenting skills and need to develop their understanding of being protective of their child. Until these services are offered, the Department does not feel either parent can be the sole caregiver for the child."
intheflow
(28,442 posts)It would be good to know both stories: under what circumstances the child was taken in the first place AND why wasn't this scum-bag family properly vetted to be foster parents. That child appears to have been failed twice by the system. A third angle, equally important, is why this local affiliate isn't reporting the whole story of how/why this child was taken: are they protecting over-zealous police? Over-zealous courts?
nessa
(317 posts)or information isn't being released to the press due to some kind of HIPPA regulation. Maybe they only have what the family is telling them.
intheflow
(28,442 posts)And one unique to other discussions on the topic I've seen around the web. Kudos to you for bringing it to my attention!
KittyWampus
(55,894 posts)tblue
(16,350 posts)WTF??????? What the hell state is this in? Damn CPS for taking that baby away and putting her in the hands of who know what that was?
You can bet this would never happen to someone in the 1%.
magical thyme
(14,881 posts)....54-year-old Sherill Small is now charged with the murder of her foster daughter Alexandria Hill, better known as Alex.
Monday night, police, fire and EMS crews were called out to the Small home. Small, who was the only person home at the time, called and said the two-year-old wasn't breathing....
..."Originally, Mrs. Small reported that the child was running backwards and had fallen and this is how she had received the injuries. Later, it changed to kind of we were playing ring-around-the-rosy and I was swinging her and she fell," said Rockdale Police Chief Thomas Harris. "And at some point somebody had gotten information that she was supposed to have been riding a bicycle and fallen off."
Chief Harris said things just didn't add up....
Doctors say Alex had hemorrhaging in her brain and eyes. An autopsy shows she had blunt force trauma to the head.
Harris says Thursday morning, Small finally told them the truth.
"She had evidently been frustrated with the child all day long. She had... the child... had evidently gotten up before the Small's did and she had went and got into some food and some water," said Harris. "That is what Mrs. Small was initially upset with her about.... had made her stand in a dark room, according to our reports, for at least three-to-four hours, wouldn't let her sit or anything."
Then around 7:00 that night, the young child, so full of life, was knocked unconscious.
"She actually admitted that she had slung the child down on the floor," said Harris.
Small told investigators she raised the toddler over her head and slung her down toward the floor twice.
"On the third time down she said she lost her grip and dropped the child. Slammed the child down on the floor," explained Harris.
Jefferson23
(30,099 posts)GRRRRR. She was a baby!
WolverineDG
(22,298 posts)Blasphemer
(3,261 posts)I've worked with some of the most wonderful foster parents. They generally have been women and they've literally given up their own lives to raise children with special needs. People who clearly go in it for the money and have no concern for the children they foster and no interest in truly parenting just sicken me.
magical thyme
(14,881 posts)her husband cried. But she was only concerned with herself.
Comrade Grumpy
(13,184 posts)Do they take your kids if you drink alcohol?
CPS should be looking for neglect or abuse, not whether Dad likes to smoke a bowl.
dkf
(37,305 posts)If you do illegal crap you put yourself in the crosshairs of the law.
In the end this father has to live with that and I don't know how he can.
It was his behavior that put that little girl into that situation.
Uncle Joe
(58,284 posts)Thanks for the thread, The Straight Story.
SammyWinstonJack
(44,129 posts)B Calm
(28,762 posts)magical thyme
(14,881 posts)....Those background checks dont always happen. According to records reviewed by the KVUE Defenders, the state found Texas Mentor in violation of child care standards 15 times since 2011.
Four of those involved background check issues. One inspection found ""a frequent caregiver of the children does not have an updated background check."
Another inspection found "an infant and a toddler in care were left sleeping alone for about 15 minutes."
Texas Mentor declined on-camera interviews, but in an emailed statement wrote, "All of us at Texas MENTOR are terribly saddened by the passing of Alexandria Hill, and we extend our condolences to her family and all those who loved her. As an organization dedicated to protecting and caring for children, we are appalled by the allegations involving one of our foster parents (boldface mine)."
Allegations?!?! She's confessed and is charged with murder. She had prior complaints of bruising of other children. She and her husband planned to foster up to 6 kids for the money.
Another brilliant example of public/private partnerships.
niyad
(113,055 posts)and then murders her. insane.
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liberalhistorian
(20,814 posts)When I was growing up my middle-class professional parents had a lot of middle-class professional friends who smoked pot, including while their children were sleeping, and everything was fine and the children turned out just fine. But there was such hysteria surrounding any pot use or possession that it's a good thing that no one ever mentioned it to anyone in authority (because that's the only way they would ever have found out). Alcohol does far more damage than pot, parents who drink too much do far more damage to their kids physically and emotionally, yet we don't swoop in and take away the children of parents who drink unless they almost kill the children.
When I was living in Cleveland, there was a horrendous case that was similar to this one. An interracial couple (he was black, she was white, and I mention their races because it's believed that racism had a lot to do with what happened and I agree) had a three-year-old son and a newborn baby girl. When she was two months old, they made a mistake that I'm sure they'll now regret for the rest of their lives. They took their daughter to the ER of a certain local but nationally known hospital because they were concerned that she seemed to be in pain. It was discovered that she had many bone fractures and "cracks" and she was immediately taken into the custody of CPS and the parents arrested. Their son was also taken into CPS custody, they couldn't even see him. They kept insisting they hadn't done anything, could never hurt their children. Their son showed no signs whatsoever of any abuse at all.
Their pediatrician swore under oath of an affidavit that they'd been devoted and loving parents to both their children and the doc thought that the baby could have the bone disease that causes bones to be so brittle and fragile that they can fracture and break just in normal, daily life, including picking them up and changing diapers. The doc had seen that disease many times and believed that that was the problem and had seen no other signs of abuse or neglect. The police and CPS and ER docs didn't give a shit what the doc said, they had their script and they were going to follow it. The son was placed in foster care and was dead not one month later because the fucking idiots at CPS had placed him with a woman who was violating the terms of her agreement with CPS by allowing a teenager who had no training, and who had had run-ins with the law, to care for the foster children. She also had too many day-care children, more than legally allowed, and had been cited for that by CPS also. The son was killed by the teenager who wasn't supposed to be there in the first place, let alone caring for the children.
It turned out that the baby did, indeed, have the bone disease that was suspected (I can't remember its name right now) and there were no other signs of abuse or neglect. But CPS dug in and it took another year for them to get their own baby back after CPS killed their son. I believe they finally received a substantial settlement from CPS but, as they said, it was bittersweet and hollow comfort as nothing would ever bring back their son. Because they were interracial and poor, to CPS and the police and the ER docs, that meant automatically that they were bad parents and there was nothing more to be said. And that kind of shit happens way more frequently than you'd like to think.
Having been in the legal field and knowing the system, that kind of shit happens way more than you'd like to think. CPS often does more harm than good, and often goes after the wrong people and takes the wrong children, leaving alone those who really need the help and who are truly suffering abuse and neglect. And often they leave middle and upper class families completely alone, even if there's abuse and neglect.
Butterbean
(1,014 posts)liberalhistorian
(20,814 posts)Yes, it was, indeed, all a senseless, tragic nightmare. I blame the docs at the hospital as much as CPS for placing her with an incompetent foster parent who already had a history of violations with the agency. This is one of the top hospitals in the nation and for the docs not to recognize that particular disease as a possibility, especially since she showed no other signs of abuse or neglect and their son, who was there with them also, showed no signs of abuse or neglect at all, is simply inexcusable malpractice. I think they saw the interracial couple and the fact that they weren't of the "proper" socioeconomic status and allowed that to blind their judgment from there. That happens ALL the fucking time in the system, believe me. It's how middle and upper class parents often get away with abuse and neglect or buy their way out of it.
Butterbean
(1,014 posts)my sister did early intervention for years, and she told me all about it. She had a few kids with it, so I know just how horrible it is.
I also don't trust CPS as far as I can throw them, after seeing the things they do both in my professional life and what I have seen them do to other people in my personal life. They are so warped it's unreal.
mick063
(2,424 posts)I saw first hand how evil alcohol can be.
I know children that were raised by pot smoking parents who took care not to expose it to their children. Loving families where the kids grew up to be successful, contributing members of society. I don't know if any of those kids smoke pot. I have never even heard them talk about pot.
Our priorities are so fucked up.
Here is how I interpret pot laws today:
A means for police to falsely claim they can "smell something" to illegally search black kids riding their bikes down the street.
This shit has got to stop and thankfully, I was able to vote in a state to make it stop. Guess what? Washington is not falling apart at the seams. I see no noticeable, perceivable change in this state, good or bad. I can't tell any difference. None. The passing of our law has been rather uneventful.
LittleBlue
(10,362 posts)Huge huge damages. Whoever placed her in foster care for weed smoking should be fired. And that foster mother should never see the light of day again.
Sounds like something out of North Korea ffs!
AnotherMcIntosh
(11,064 posts)Chakab
(1,727 posts)because the parents smoke marijuana on Sam Seder's show. The crux of it was that most child protection agencies were given increased funding during the crack, heroin and meth epidemics of years past. After hard drug use declined, the agencies needed to justify their budgets and started targeting the children of marijuana users.
The whole thing is ridiculous.
Garion_55
(1,915 posts)not too well for this family unfortunately.
Curmudgeoness
(18,219 posts)and she said one time that she would kill her children, if it came to that, before she would ever let them be put in foster care....that was how bad she felt the foster care system was. Lucky for the kids, they were over at her house, playing with her kids, most of the time. But what she learned of the system from these people has lead her to very strong opposition to the way it is being run....she has never told me the full story.
Lydia Leftcoast
(48,217 posts)and several of them said that if they ever had children, they would kill them before letting them go into foster care.
They said that some of the families they stayed with were fine, but when they complained about the bad ones, the social workers tended to believe that the kids were just "acting out."
Curmudgeoness
(18,219 posts)and this country's commitment to it's children, when so many people involved intimately with foster care would make such a dramatic and horrible statement.
Blue_In_AK
(46,436 posts)When I was a little girl, over 60 years ago, my mother and father kept a series of foster children for varying lengths of time, and they were treated just like the rest of us, with love and care. Most of the kids stayed just a short while, but we had one little toddler named Stephanie who was with us for what seemed like quite a while to me...I was probably about five, so time is approximate, but I think she was with us for about a year.
These days I think a lot of foster parents do it for the money, not out of love, although I do know one foster mom, a former co-worker, who fostered two or three kids and ended up adopting them. Exception rather than the rule, I'm afraid.
Curmudgeoness
(18,219 posts)They just do not seem to be the rule, but are the exception. And it may have been that way years ago too, and we just didn't hear about it. I have no experience.
In my niece's case, the foster parents who were her neighbors did nothing. They did not work, but lived off of the payments for fostering kids. They were lazy in keeping the house decent, they never paid one bit of attention to the kids, and she ended up even feeding them since there was rarely a mealtime at the foster house. The husband was an alcoholic who was drunk by 10 AM and the wife slept all day. It was a situation that no one would want to see their kids raised in. These were no role models, to be sure. I always wondered how they were able to pass any sort of rudimentary inspections, and I assume that they never had any.
SunSeeker
(51,512 posts)fredamae
(4,458 posts)surrounding the issue of Cannabis are the Laws, Rules and Policies governing its use. Period.
It's Cheaper to develop a comprehensive Harm Reduction Program to educate Before drug use and if that fails then help those people recover via Effective sustained treatment programs-both of these methods saves tax money And gives tax payers an actual beneficial return on their investment
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Egalitariat
(1,631 posts)There is way more to this story. Frankly, that part is such BS, how can you trust anything else in the article?
Lydia Leftcoast
(48,217 posts)Perhaps a busybody neighbor or relative came by, saw evidence that the parents were using marijuana, and took it upon themselves to "protect the child from those druggie parents."
You'd be surprised how many people still believe that using marijuana is like using crack or heroin. Recall that some of the white apologists for George Zimmerman said that Trayvon Martin was "high on marijuana," so no wonder Zimmerman was justified. Obviously they are people who have never SEEN anyone high on marijuana much less been high themselves. They're still in "Reefer Madness" country and believe that pot makes you aggressive.
Egalitariat
(1,631 posts)Therefore I'm not buying anything else either.
mstinamotorcity2
(1,451 posts)But from those I know who have lost a child, what I saw and heard makes me know it is excruciating. I hope the parents find some peace and joy in the memory of their little girl. And I hope the State of Texas has to pay. but since its the State of no regulations and lots of low wage jobs, I am not surprised.