You realize you made a bad decision when your OS passes Vista in use after two years

[DainBramaged]

http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2013/08/windows-8-passes-vista-at-last-as-ie10-growth-slows/

[hobbit709]

1. even the new improved 8.1 still sucks, just not quite as bad as 8.

[DainBramaged]

2. New office is breathtakingly awful and requires an internet connection

while home and student went to $139 for a SINGLE license. Using metro for Office is a terrible decision too.


Scumbags

[hobbit709]

4. I've used WordPerfect since DOS. It and OpenOffice/LibreOffice do anything I want.

[TreasonousBastard]

14. My God! At last I found another WordPerfect user...

don't use it as much as I used to, but that may change. And with a new computer I'm probably going to splurge upgrading from X5.

I'm not splurging on Pro, though-- the database in LibreOffice works as well as Paradox for what I need.

(Has the rest of the world heard about Reveal Codes, yet? Another WP innovation ripe for stealing.)

[csziggy]

33. I've used WordPerfect since Windows 3.1

My favorite source for it is at BuyCheapSoftware.com but they've jacked up the prices from when I upgraded to the OEM CD only version of X4. For X6 they have no OEM DC only version and no copies of X4 or X5 at all. I paid less than $20 for X4 including shipping.

I LOVE Reveal Codes - it's a lifesaver when I import Word files and need to clean up the formatting. The only reasons I keep Word on my computer is to read what others have produced and to check that my WP files that were saved as DOC look OK in Word.

Reveal Codes has been around since WP on Windows 3.1. Word had something similar at some point but I haven't even bothered looking in my most recent version.

[TreasonousBastard]

35. I think you're the one who told me about...

buycheapsoftware.com a while back and I got an OEM disk for X5 real cheap there. I think it was like 12 bucks, and a much better deal than buying an upgrade.

Not so cheap now, though, and Corel will sell me the upgrade to X6 for less then buycheap will sell me anything. I just have to figure out how to get X5 off the old XP machine on to the new Win8 box.

FWIW, I did download X6 for the month's trial, and it works just fine on Win8.

[csziggy]

37. Probably - I've haqd great service from BuyCheapSoftware for a decade

But their cheap software goes in waves depending on how successful a particular release is, availability and the changing marketing plans of the various software producers.

Do you still have the CD for X5? If so, then just load it on the new machine - if X5 works on Win 8. I'm using X4 on Win 7 - had to upgrade because X3 was not compatible with Win 7.

Now that I'm not running a business I only upgrade software when I upgrade my box or when I will lose my upgrade path. I went from Photoshop CS3 to CS6 last year to maintain my upgrade path. Now it seems CS6 wants me to upgrade my computer - NOT something I have in the budget for this year! I only have problems when I am scanning or batch editing hundreds of photos, so I will limp along with it for now. I'm in between antique photo albums now, so I don't need to do as much photo editing right now anyway.

[TreasonousBastard]

38. Aye, there's the rub-- I have no idea where the X5 disk went...

but if I ever find it that's the simplest way. Other than that, I have utilities that supposedly move your software from one machine to another.

And, there's the thing about whether X5 works on Win8. I assume it does and I'll find out eventually, but the worst that could happen is I spend an extra hundred bucks.

[csziggy]

42. That's always a nuisance!

Bad news - Corel does not list X5 as compatible with Win8 - but with Win7 I found that a lot of things not "compatible" would install and run just fine, though I had to use compatibility mode to install some of them.

Here's a post that says X5 works fine on Win8: http://www.wpuniverse.com/vb/showthread.php?34805-Installed-Windows-8-WordPerfect-X5-works-...-perfectly!

[ellenfl]

78. i just got a new windows 7 computer at work and i installed wpx5.

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works great & i can preview pdf files now!

[csziggy]

100. I really like the publish to PDF feature

Although CutePDF worked great before, having a built in PDF feature saves a step.

[ellenfl]

111. i upgraded to cs6 over a year ago (when i bought my most recent camera).

i hate that ms and adobe are so niggardly. ms makes you buy new equipment and software to run on their newest os and the only way 1 could process photos from my 4th sony dslr was to spend $100-$200 to upgrade to cs6.

btw, photoshop is no longer selling new versions. you will have to pay an annual fee for a subscription for future versions. the next time i HAVE to upgrade, i'm not buying adobe.

[csziggy]

119. Well, if Adobe wants me to subscribe, I will stick with CS6

As long as it works. Though frankly, if the companies would allow a monthly payment rather than an annual fee, I might be willing to do that. Having to pay out hundreds at a time is a much harder decision that ten or twenty (or so) a month.

[ellenfl]

120. upgrading is only a couple hundred dollars. or should i say 'used to be'.

the problem with sticking with cs6 is that newer camera models usually require upgrading, at least for raw processing. that used to mean a free downloadable update but, as i mentioned, i had to buy the cs6 upgrade even though i had cs5. i don't use it enough to pay subscription prices. i COULD update elements but adobe is pissing me off with this $ grab so i will probably have to find new software.

i usually buy the prior version of any program because it's cheaper than the newest and most of the bugs are worked out.

[SteveG]

87. I've used it since 1983

When it was a DOS based package, running on a 5 in Floppy in an original IMB-PC. You could do amazing things with it even then. And the Spell Checker.... oh, my God, the Spellchecker.

[csziggy]

99. The Windows version had a DOS mode

That made it work in a DOS window! I tried it, but even the first Windows version of WP was great. In DOS I used PC Edit, a shareware program that didn't cost much - but it used the same keyboard shortcuts that WordPerfect did so the transition was really easy.

I will not willingly edit anything with Word.

[DainBramaged]

30. Not in a corporate environment

we're buying old copies of Office on EBay instead of paying MS for this awful version.

[hobbit709]

66. I've never had a problem with WP properly opening word docs.

But many with Word opening WP files.

[ellenfl]

112. DITTO!!!!!! eom

[ellenfl]

82. i had one short-term job that used msword and hated it. except for that short time-out,

i've been using wp since 3.1. haven't loaded it on the laptop yet but i don't really need it. it's on my home desktop as well as work. i also use openoffice and the ms readers.

[Trillo]

12. "requires an internet connection"?

To write a love letter you have to share it with Microsoft and any of their affiliates?

[Aerows]

15. OpenOffice

does everything I need to do, as well, plus some of the plugins it offers are not available in MS Office.

[AgingAmerican]

39. Yep

It got me through college, daughter too.

[ConcernedCanuk]

34. Put Office 2007 in my new laptop - works great.

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.
.

Still had the install disc for Office 2007.

Purposely selected a lap with Win7 - last lap was XP Professional no problems with it,

but the 7 year old was getting tired- still works though - so it's a great back-up.

Win8 appears to be related to Vista . . . .

just sayin'

CC

[NoOneMan]

63. LibreOffice is the answer

https://www.libreoffice.org/

Download and donate if you love it.

The question is why do you still use shitty MS software?

[burnodo]

3. Poor Linux

[RKP5637]

6. Not quite ... FYI - "Chromebooks now the fastest-growing segment of PC market" ...

Chromebooks are Linux devices ...

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2013/07/11/chromebooks_fastest_growing_pc_market/

[burnodo]

7. I was just referring to the chart

Given how many people so strongly believe in it that it hasn't gained a larger share.

[RKP5637]

8. Oh!

Yep, it always amazes me how many don't realize they use Linux a lot via Linux and Unix servers.

[AgingAmerican]

40. Yep, and MAC is built on it too

Most of the internet runs on linux servers.

[Humanist_Activist]

116. Just a clarification, Mac OSX is built on top of a BSD codebase...

not Linux, two separate OSes, with different Kernels.

[PowerToThePeople]

117. And OSX is a third kernel (or microkernel)

with a forked (I think) BSD userland and proprietary GUI.

[Humanist_Activist]

118. Yes, Darwin, the low level system, is BSD derived, MacOS X is the proprietary GUI and software...

built on top of that.

[L0oniX]

47. NASA and most gov run linux or a unix variant ...and me and my wife.

The vast majority of the better websites and believe it or not Wallstreet run on linux. Oh and all your Android bases are belong to open source thanks to Linux/Unix. I suspect the pie info source is tainted a bit.

[hobbit709]

10. Chromebooks are fine if all you want is primarily a web browser.

[ConcernedCanuk]

36. Recently bought a Chromebook - won't work.

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.
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Wants an internet connection

Wireless or Ethernet only.

I have no land-line where I live - so use what they call "the stick" - Bell Mobility to be exact.

Works fine on my Inspiron 15R, and I can use it everywhere!

Chromebook won't recognize it . . .

Oh well - live and learn

(sigh)

CC

[KharmaTrain]

5. Couldn't Dump Vista Fast Enough...

...I had it in a laptop and the thing was buggier than a campsite in mid July. It was a bear to network with and always blue screened at the most inappropriate time. I've had Win7 in my machines for 3 years now and finally am as comfortable working with it as I was with XP. I'm definitely not ready for Win8 until I hafta. My rule has been to skip every other MS release...going back to DOS 2.11...

[Gman]

9. The rule of thumb used to be

Not to use a Microsoft product with a version number that ended with a .0.

[TreasonousBastard]

18. My government issue work computer runs Vista with absolutely no problems...

I've noticed that some manufacturers include tons of their crapware to "help" you along. And some of that can't easily be cleaned out, causing all sorts of problems.

Years ago I had a lot of problems with Win98 on a Compaq, but got a fresh disk and did a clean install and all of the problems went away. It's not as bad as it used to be, but I'd still rather buy a clean OS and install it myself.

And, yes, Win7 is an almost perfect upgrade from XP. I have it on a laptop and like it a lot.

Two Win8 computers now, and I have them working very similar to Win7. I'm not exactly a fan of 8, but I really don't see what all the complaining is about.

[KharmaTrain]

25. Change Is Hard...

...I'm still running XP on a couple machines cause if it ain't broke don't fix it but eventually those machines will get replaced and I'm hoping I can still continue to upgrade to Win7...or see what happens with the next release.

I had the Vista on a Toshiba that was also a piece of crap...I'm not sure if most problems were due to a bad machine or operating system. Nonetheless you make do with what you got until one day the machine overheated itself into retirement.

Fortunately my desktops are customed...so we only put in the minimal amount of third party software and, as you know, that makes a world of difference.

Cheers...

[daleo]

123. My wife has Vista on a Toshiba

It can be painfully slow at the simplest things.

[KharmaTrain]

124. Toshiba Was A Real Dud...

...I had been using Sony Vaios and took a friend's word about the Toshiba...a big mistake. I had the machine for about two years until it all but overheated itself into the junkpile. I went out and got another Vaio...4 years later and it's still doing its thing. Ya live and learn...

[daleo]

128. We added more memory, which helped a bit

But only a bit. As you say, live and learn.

[okieinpain]

122. ran vista business 32 bit on a couple of pc

and never had a problem with it. moved both of those pc's up to windows 7 recently, just because I liked the features. I'm currently using a old dell d430 laptop with ubuntu 13.04. it's ok but to me the installs are still a little cryptic and need some work to make them more acceptable to the general public.

[Silent3]

11. I wonder how that graph would change if you took out all of the pirated copies of XP in China

It's amazing to me that so many people are still clinging to XP these days. Even scarier, all of the people (again, mostly in China) still using IE6, making life hell for web developers who need to allow for that.

[X_Digger]

13. If XP supported 64 bit, I'd still be on it.

My windows 7 installation looks and acts as much like XP as I can make it. Of course my XP installation looked as much like 98/95 as I could make it too.

Screw transparency, aero, shadows, animations and all that crap. If I wanted a candy-coated copy of mac, I'd fork out 50% more and buy a mac.

[krispos42]

16. A kindered spirit...

I want my computer to shut up and do stuff. I had to use Windows 7 at work, at least until I was laid off.


My PC is over 9 years old and I'm still on the original install of XP.


From my cold dead hands...

[X_Digger]

22. I've got one box still on XP, and it's.. umm.. 7 years old?

Heck, I think I've still got a copy of 98 running on an appliance somewhere in my closet.

[krispos42]

65. The original hard drive finally died last spring

9 years of continuous use.

it's the only computer I have. has 3 other hard drives in it, it's been upgraded with a DVD burner, a new video card,and now has a gig of RAM.

I still use the 17" CRT it came with.

[Warpy]

62. I have Win 7 on the main box and laptop

but I'm keeping 2 clunky XP boxes around as backup and to run a few things that just won't run on 7.

I knew Vista was a bow-wow, so I waited to replace my laptop until 7 came out. 7 isn't terrible now that they've fixed the most annoying flaw, the way the damned thing would shift to desktop when you'd take your hand off the mouse to type something into a form.

Still, XP was the best OS they ever made. It was intuitive and stable and you can't ask a whole lot more than that.

I'm not sure they can do much to fix 8 except maybe restrict it to mobile devices. I've met very few people who actually like it for their home computers.

[Silent3]

17. I do the same thing. Cosmetically, I'm still back in the 90s :)

I also have a Mac, but OS X isn't very candy-coated looking these days.

A Mac desktop and a Mac laptop are my main personal systems. I run Windows 7 at home on a virtual PC hosted on my Mac. Windows 7 is my main OS at work (where I've also got a Mac Mini for compatibility testing).

My surprise about people sticking with XP is that Windows 7 (defeatable candy-coating aside) is a more stable, more capable OS than XP, and most importantly, is still getting patches and security updates.

[X_Digger]

20. Funnily enough..

I've still got an XP box that I use with a microscope camera, and every time I boot it (3-4 times a month), I get at least one security update.

But yeah, I would never go to 8, since this metro shit can't be chucked in the trash bin.

[MicaelS]

19. Sorry to disagree

I think W7 is so much better than XP it isn't even funny. When I used XP, I used to have BSOD frequently. I have had only one with W7.

[X_Digger]

21. I get enough lock-ups with win7 that I'm considering a rebuild.

I've had to disable all power-saving, including screen blanking and screen savers, to keep it from locking up.

[MicaelS]

23. Interesting.

I turned off all my power saving features since I'm on a desktop. Still use screen saver. I have heard of people that have problems with power saving features causing problems especially with the NIC. I assume you're using a laptop?

[X_Digger]

59. Nope, desktop that's on 24x7x365. n/t

[steve2470]

52. Windows XP x64 here...or did you mean something else ?

http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_trksid=p2050601.m570.l1311.R11.TR11.TRC1.A0.Xwindows+xp+&_nkw=windows+xp+64+bit&_sacat=0&_from=R40


Not being snarky, honest.

[X_Digger]

61. Never got my hands on one.

Maybe I need to get in contact with a friend who has an MSDN ultimate collection.

[joshcryer]

104. You have an impossible time finding drivers for it.

That's the main problem.

But Win 7's memory management is a million times better than XP. It's a change in the way the OS works and it does so very admirably.

[L0oniX]

48. +1 ...oh yea ...I'm hating IE6 code too. Garbage!

[steve2470]

54. The Internet Explorer 6 Countdown

http://www.ie6countdown.com/

6.3% of surfers still on it, mostly in China. They can't download something modern ? What's up with that ? Ugh.

[L0oniX]

56. Now if we only get rid of that AOL Netscape trash. n/t

[Logical]

24. I am 100% a nerd! Other nerds answer this.....

Why do you like XP over windows 7? I love win7 64 bit.

[Gidney N Cloyd]

27. I still prefer XP's style of file management.

Right now I've got different machines at home running XP, 7, and 8. I had Vista for awhile and I also have an iPad I use a lot. I use a mac book sometimes at work and my phone's on Android so I'm fairly OS neutral. This "Library" stuff is just plain annoying. 7's version is a little more sensible than what I recall of Vista but I'd still prefer a very basic drive > folder > subfolder setup.

[Logical]

29. I see your point.....

But I have grown to like windows 7.

You sound like me. I use Windows 95% of the time. I only use my iMac for IOS iPad/iPhone development. I do not get the who "Apple interface is amazing" thing.

[ellenfl]

114. not liking the folder setup in 7 (yet). whatever happened to 'kiss'? eom

[Rosa Luxemburg]

26. I liked XP

windows 8 is horrible

[tridim]

84. Windows 8 is really good IMO. Have you used it?

I'm a developer and I love it. The desktop improvements alone are worth the price.

It's a ~much~ faster, more refined version of Windows 7 with a weird metro layer that can be completely ignored. But I admit I do use metro for weather and email. It's good for that kind of low-priority stuff.

[SteveG]

89. First thing I do with Win 8

is put Classic Shell on it. Then it is a good OS. The metro interface is a disaster if you don't have a touch screen or work in a corporate type environment.

[tridim]

90. I see metro for two seconds at bootup and two seconds at shutdown.

It's irrelevant, unless you like it.

What benefit do you get from classic shell? Right clicking the bottom-left corner on the desktop has everything I need, and nothing I don't.

[SteveG]

125. it pretty much gives you the Win 7 interface from the git go.

nt

[justiceischeap]

28. One of the many things I dislike about Windows is how they tie upgrading a browser to the OS

As a front-end developer, this makes my life tre difficult. I'm developing websites for (mostly) good browsers and then I have to code all kinds of wrong so things look okay in IE.

[DainBramaged]

31. NONE of General Motors online programming is certified for IE 9 or 10 use

If it ain't IE8 it's not going to work, and that includes ordering, financing, tech support and techline mechanics support, IE8 or you're shit out of luck.


And even when the IE10 blocker is deployed, MS STILL slips it in on updates.

[justiceischeap]

32. I guess I don't understand why MS can't develop a decent browser

it makes no sense to me since all browsers are free anyway (well, IE isn't in that you have to upgrade your OS to upgrade the browser).

[PowerToThePeople]

41. I think the stats are bogus

Where do they get them again?

[DainBramaged]

44. I think John Boehner is bogus where did they get him again?

If you can't click the link and read the article, why are you even here???

[PowerToThePeople]

46. who are you?

I have seen your name before here, always appears to me that many of your posts are attack/troll posts.

I did read the article. No where did they say how they came up with these numbers. I did see this though. This leads me to believe the numbers are bogus.

Peter Bright / Peter is a Microsoft Contributor at Ars. He also covers programming and software development, Web technology and browsers, and security. He is based in London, UK.

EDIT - "I think John Boehner is bogus where did they get him again?" Ans - probably the same place they got these numbers, they pulled him out of their ass.

[DainBramaged]

68. "I have seen your name before here, always appears to me that many of your posts are attack/troll"

whatever


Been her almost 12 years


You don't know who I am obviously.


If you don't like the OP don't read the OP


I asked you a question, I didn't attack you.

If you think I attacked you, you need to post on the cooking forum.


Have a great day.


PS read my journal, it's available to all. Then maybe you'll figure out who I am. And after that well, now you can make up the words I'm probaly thinking.

[DainBramaged]

69. PS Holy shit you didn't click the link below EVERY graph?

http://netmarketshare.com/


I let you get away with calling me a troll once, next time put your glasses on fool.


It looks like many of your posts are ignorant, misinformed.

Touche.

[PowerToThePeople]

70. I rest my case.

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My first post --

I think the stats are bogus. Where do they get them again?

A simple question. i never noticed the links below the graphs in the article.

Your response ----

I think John Boehner is bogus where did they get him again?
If you can't click the link and read the article, why are you even here???

That appears to me to be an attack (which i have noticed you tend to do) So, I respond --

I have seen your name before here, always appears to me that many of your posts are attack/troll posts.

I did read the article. No where did they say how they came up with these numbers. I did see this though. This leads me to believe the numbers are bogus.

Peter Bright / Peter is a Microsoft Contributor at Ars. He also covers programming and software development, Web technology and browsers, and security. He is based in London, UK.

EDIT - "I think John Boehner is bogus where did they get him again?" Ans - probably the same place they got these numbers, they pulled him out of their ass.

And then you volley these---

whatever


Been her almost 12 years


You don't know who I am obviously.


If you don't like the OP don't read the OP


I asked you a question, I didn't attack you.

If you think I attacked you, you need to post on the cooking forum.


Have a great day.


PS read my journal, it's available to all. Then maybe you'll figure out who I am. And after that well, now you can make up the words I'm probaly thinking.

PS Holy shit you didn't click the link below EVERY graph?

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http://netmarketshare.com/


I let you get away with calling me a troll once, next time put your glasses on fool.


It looks like many of your posts are ignorant, misinformed.

Touche.

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[DainBramaged]

71. Nether I nor the 'readers' give a shit.

[steve2470]

43. Vista was never bad to me but then again I've always had plenty of RAM

It was a tad overdone in the UI department with Aero, but otherwise I was fine with it. I know Vista was a huge memory hog back then, which killed it for many. I really liked XP but meh profits overrule every other consideration.

Windows 8.1 gives you the option of booting straight to the old school desktop, so that salvages it for most people. With a few hacks, you can use it pretty easily to me, but I do understand the hatred. I think M$ royally messed up with 8.

[Egnever]

94. Vistas biggest problem

other than the fact that it was a resource hog. Was that MS let manufacturers ship it out on machines with specs that couldn't run it properly.

Way too many vista machines shipped with a gig or less of memory.

[steve2470]

95. yes and I read also many of the 3rd party partners didn't have drivers ready in time nt

[Egnever]

96. Yup that as well

Mostly for the 64bit editions as 64bit OS's were very new then.

[1awake]

45. Come on... Apple's OS is not that bad. n/t

[L0oniX]

49. With Ubuntu I am online in 1/3 the time it takes for Winsux to connect.

Apple's OS is great and it comes from open source is BSD flavored. BSD is the best of both the linux and unix world.

[PowerToThePeople]

50. Pure GNU/Linux here.

It does so much more for me than the "pay to use" OSes out there. The only limits placed on you are your ability and willingness to learn.

edit - BSD was prior to Linux and is it's own thing. I have never used it, so can not comment on it. But, many of the user level applications are shared, so probably not too different once it is up and running.

[L0oniX]

53. Too many are too lazy to learn ...and with Ubuntu there isn't much to learn.

It's not like anyone has to configure an installation of OpenBSD anymore. Ex: Using Gimp does take some time but hell it's free and it's good enough to be in my collection of apps to use for web dev.

[reusrename]

73. Is there a good tutorial anywhere?

Everything is backwards to me, like inverse Polish or something.

It has to make more sense once you have an overview, which isn't in the manual.

[L0oniX]

76. There's tons of Ubuntu help, blogs and manual. Go with 12.04 LTS - Long Term Support.

[reusrename]

77. I meant that I need help with Gimp.

I am going to try and set up a system with Ubuntu. Thanks for the tips.

[L0oniX]

80. Yep ..Gimp is tough but has a lot of power but Adobe also has a steep learning curve.

I have found all the help I need to use Gimp just by Google searches. Rounded corners on pictures was my most recent use ...I love it.

[1awake]

57. lol... we will have to agree to disagree I'm afraid.

but that's okay.

[tridim]

85. What does that even mean? LOL.

[L0oniX]

103. It means that when winsux loads up the desktop you still have to wait for the network to connect.

What's it like to be a rocket scientist?

[tridim]

108. My Windows 8 machine boots in 6 seconds and the network is available immediately.

I've been a computer engineer for 25 years, Genius.

I maintain six Ubuntu servers at work and have been using Linux since Slackware back in the early days.

[Zorra]

51. When my old Vista OS crashed in March my computer dude installed Windows 7 Ulimate

on my computer. He also doubled the memory and made other modifications,

He told me that Windows 8 was a total dog, and I'd be really sorry if I bought a new computer with 8 in it.

My computer is now lightning fast and hassle free. I have been by his shop several times to thank him.

[tridim]

110. Windows 8 is much faster than Windows 7. Your computer guy lied to you. nt

[LittleBlue]

55. I'm switching to Linux

After my recent purchase of a Windows 8 machine, this is the last straw.

I'm installing Linux to run side-by-side with Windows.

[L0oniX]

58. Try Ubuntu live DVD first. I suggest you install it on a second drive. n/t

[bowens43]

60. Linux Mint is a great choice. Ubuntu underneath without their unity interface.

I run windows in a virtual machine on my linux box so I can watch nettflix...that's it.

[NoOneMan]

64. OpenSuse with Cinamon GUI

You wont be sorry. I tried all distros on my new laptop and OpenSuse was the only one that got the job done seamlessly due to driver support

[d_r]

102. And I like Kubuntu

I think that's the problem with more people not installing linux. There are so many options that people just say screw it. But really it is the awesome thing about linux.

[LittleBlue]

105. What is the best option to dual boot?

I had Ubuntu downloaded and ready to go. The interface looks slick and it gives you the option on install to set up a parallel OS with seemingly minimal fuss. But I'm sensing reluctance in this thread.

What's your opinion? I'd only be keeping Windows 8 around in case I want more options in the future.

Thanks.

[d_r]

107. I think Ubuntu

but try a live cd first and see if all the drivers work on your pc, it should.

One thing about linux that is different from windows or mac is that you can use different gui interfaces with the same install. So you will get the Unity interface by default with ubuntu. After you get used to it, you can still install kde and cinnamon and try those out. You can change the gui just by logging off and back on.

Another thing is, windows 8 uses a different system than bios to boot up. I know at first that was giving dual boots trouble but they may have figured that out by now.

[PowerToThePeople]

113. I would do a search for "Linux Users Group" in your city

If it is a Windows8 comp, it likely is using secure-boot. I am not sure how well this plays with installing secondary OSes. You can probably turn it off in your bios though.

Check to see if you can make a system recovery DVD of the windows8 install. Or, better yet, just pull the windows drive and replace it. Install Linux on the new drive and keep the old one if you want to go back or end up selling the machine.

But, a local LUG (Linux Users Group) will be a great resource for questions and information.

[Logical]

67. I have the Mac OS. n-t

[0rganism]

74. the real tragedy here is how small the Linux share is

while FreeBSD and Solaris would get grouped with the 0.28 "other".

People seem to have forgotten that there are operating systems, good ones too, other than Windoze.

[Rex]

75. With all the fixes and updates, Vista 32/64 works great.

Microsoft's problem is NOT coming up with a good OS, it is pure greed. I can understand upgrading from say 2003 to 2012. However, creating crappy knockoff versions of WinXP and calling it 'home edition' was a cheap marketing ploy.

The are stuck on their 'brand'. If they can stick it out and just care about the OS, they can actually make a good one.

[Lancero]

79. I present to you...

A brief history of Microsoft products.

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[DainBramaged]

81. I LOVE IT I am so stealing this

[tridim]

86. Windows 8 is the best OS microsoft has ever released. To each his/her own I guess. nt

[liberal N proud]

83. Windows 8 is a bigger lemon than Vista ever was.

[tridim]

88. Windows 8 is a great OS. Vista was not.

Have you used it?

What don't you like about it?

[Egnever]

97. Agreed

[Lancero]

91. Not really...

Vista's mistake was that it was released to soon. Had Microsoft waited another month for more bug testing, then Vista wouldn't have flopped as much as it did.

8's flaw is that it's built for tablets, not PC's. Microsoft goofed big time trying to push a tablet OS onto the desktop market.

[Egnever]

92. Actually...

8 is built for touch screens...

I recently had a chance to use it on a laptop with a touch screen and it was really nice.

It took me a little bit to get used to 8 but I really like it now and it will only get better as the app store for windows gets populated.

[Egnever]

93. It has only been out 8 months, what are you on about?

And its a great OS on a tablet or touch screen.

It is pretty good on a regular computer as well once you get used to it.

[steve2470]

98. with 8.1 you can boot right to desktop which eliminates a lot of complaints nt

[Egnever]

101. I have actually grown fond of the start screen

Once you make it yours it is quite handy.

Also when you get another device running 8 and you sign in it sets it up automatically just like you had it on the other device.

It is a good step forward IMHO.

[hobbit709]

109. Gee, I wonder how it can do that on another machine.

i guess it phones home or something every time you log on. Makes me wonder what else it phones home about.

[ellenfl]

115. yup. eom

[Egnever]

121. Because it is tied into a microsoft account.

And since i am not paranoid as you seem to be, I appreciate the convenience. I also like it when my android devices do the same thing.

You can fear the tech if you like. It is your choice and you dont have to use a microsoft account with win 8 but if you do you get a similar experience across all win 8 devices you own.

The choice is yours.

[hobbit709]

126. Just keep telling yourself that.

[Egnever]

127. LOL ok

[Initech]

129. Android, Ubuntu, Chrome OS don't count?

[RedCappedBandit]

130. My laptop with 8 is the most frustrating machine I've used in years.