Please Sign Trayvon Martin Mother/Father Petition to Address Stand Your Ground Bad Faith Law?

[laserhaas]

Last edited Sun Aug 4, 2013, 09:37 PM - Edit history (1)

Reprinted from the Orange realm (cause - hey - I told myself I could).



It all began a little over a year ago. George Zimmerman, a wannabe Policeman, was stalking Trayvon Martin. After Zimmerman called 911 (transcript - HERE) and was instructed [informed he didn't need to do so] to wait for the arrival of the real Police. Instead George said [of Trayvon] "he looks black" and then "a dark hoodie" and "he's got his hand in his waistband and he's a black male". When Trayvon Martin ran away from the stalking George Zimmerman, GZ told 911 "these assholes always get away". Then George Zimmerman took it upon himself to chase after Trayvon Martin.

When the "stalked" Trayvon "Stood his Ground" - George Zimmerman shot/killed Trayvon!

- - A non black man followed a young black teen with a vehicle (alarm bells going off in parents all around the country, whose kids have vanished under similar scenarios). Then the "stalker" got out of his vehicle with a "Concealed Lethal Weapon" and pursued the fleeing teenager, where a confrontation began and ended with disastrous results.

At the time of the homicide transpiring, thereafter the Sanford police lied to Trayvon Martin's mother and told her the killer of her son, George Zimmerman, was "squeaky clean" and it was reported that George was Captain of the Neighborhood watch;

Both of those contentions were a lie!

A non white was killed by the son of a retired justice who was lighter skinned than the deceased. Everyone there in Sanford, with the authorities, except for Trayvon Martin's mother, wanted this to be the end of the story. Then a Petition was started by Trayvon Martin's mother. [T]hen at DailyKos registered users got involved when it was only 25,000 signatures (see prior Diary - HERE). We helped get it to 2 million and the Police Chief was forced out of office and a proper investigation/ prosecution case began. But the authorities, deliberately or not; blew the case and George Zimmerman is now 'Scot Free'.

Trayvon Martin's Mother is asking that we sign her new - -

CHANGE.org PETITION


Change for Trayvon Martin: Stand Your Ground Laws Must be reviewed.

The petition is now at 288,000 signatures -

LET's help get it as high as we possibly can - Please?
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A diametric result on gun violence - intolerable!

Over at the orange realm (DK) - I also added to the discussion that another Florida discharged weapon case was that of non-Caucasian Marissa Alexander get 20 years, for shooting a wall.

Granted there is much debate about the fact she went to the car to get the gun, so it is NOT a stand your ground issue. That's the point. George Zimmerman was not a stand your ground issue.

Black Marissa Alexander shot a wall and got 20 years.

Trayvon Martin, a black you was "pursued" by a non-black carrying a concealed weapon, who then killed him

and isn't going to do a day for it!

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Also added a POLL (that I'm unable to afford to do here) - asking

whether or not

one believes there is racial inequality in America.

25% of the respondents said NO.....
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MAKING THE CASE against George Zimmerman is really rather simple.

For reckless endangerment/ stalking - unjustifiable homicide.
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Zimmerman has been educated and trained in criminology/ Police work.
(Though he is not an expert, he is more sophisticated than your average Neighborhood Watch Person).


1. Hence, GZ is educated in Police procedures, protocols (mitigating - instead of INSTIGATING - dynamics).
   
2. Trayvon Martin is walking/talking on his cell phone in
   
3. According to GZ, when Trayvon notices GZ is following him, Trayvon turns toward Zimmerman
   
4. Zimmerman was carrying a "Concealed" Lethal (loaded) Weapon
   
5. George called 911 and asked for the Police
   
6. 911 did inform GZ that the {real} authorities were en route
   
7. Zimmerman said he's looks black, he's looking at me and reaching in his waisteband
   (DOES anyone of sound mind run after a person who "he believes" is carrying a weapon)?
   
8. Trayvon is fearful enough that he speeds up his pace (NOTE: GZ said running away)
   
9. Zimmerman rushes after Trayvon and informs 911 "these f----- always get away"
   
10. Trayvon is then impeded/confronted by Zimmerman in an ALLEY WAY
    
11. A physical confrontation results
    
12. Trayvon Martin is shot dead by George Zimmerman
    
13. First person on the scene finds Trayvon Martin on the ground - with George Zimmerman on top of him
    
14. That WITNESS is asked by George Z - NOT to call 911
    
15. Police arrive who know GZ (and that he is the son of a retired justice) and rule it justifiable SYG homicide
    
16. Trayvon Martin's mother is lied to and told that GZ is "squeaky clean".
    
17. Medical Examiner testified that Trayvon had NO findings of DNA of GZ in Trayvon's nails or clothes.
    
18. Physical expert gives sworn testimony that Zimmerman's wounds insignificant
    
19. EMS on the scene testified that GZ had no membrane breaking inside the nose
    

Exhibit A - Original 911 Transcript
http://www.documentcloud.org/documents/326700-full-transcript-zimmerman.html

Exhibit B - Pics of George Zimmerman immediately after
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2013/06/03/1213239/-Officer-s-Cellphone-Pics-Show-Zimmerman-May-NOT-Have-Been-Punched-the-Night-he-Killed-Trayvon

Exhibit C - Medical Examiner/ EMS/ Physical expert testimony at trial

Exhibit D = Police interview of Zimmerman immediately after incident

Exhibit E - Time STAMP of POLICE interview Zimmerman

Exhibit F - Jenna Lauer 911 call - where you don't hear the words GZ claims

Exhibit G - Youtube producer Teeslaw has 911 calls all TimeLINED

Exhibit H - Youtube of Trial playing other 911 Call (WARNING if you have a heart, tear jerking)

Exhibit I - MarinadeDave Award Winning Blogger (Casey Anthony case) - Map of the crime scene
http://marinadedave.com/journal/2012/3/22/the-tragedy-of-trayvon-martin.html

Exhibit J - Synchronization of Trayvon Walk, George Zimmerman Talks film/ crime scene

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Ladies and Gentlemen of the jury. The only questions germane to this case are;

Did GZ possess a lethal weapon - Concealed - with training/ license and Criminal Law Enforcement Training.

• - Could GZ be fabricating reasons to justify his pursuit of Trayvon Martin
  
• After being told Police were en route - should GZ have stood down and waited for their arrival?
  
• Would Trayvon Martin or anyone else be justified in defending themselves from the pursuing/stalking Zimmerman?
  
• Is it not both lacking in common sense, any training and reckless for one to pursue a person into an Alley Way?
  
• Could Zimmerman be the only aggressor in this case?
  
• Could it be that it was Trayvon Martin who was screaming help?
  
• Did Zimmerman handle this entire affair all wrong
  
• Could GZ have waited?
  
• Should GZ stopped from physically/personally confronting Trayvon?
  
• Wouldn't it have been simple common sense for GZ to pull his gun and tell Trayvon to Freeze?
  
• Is it possible that GZ is lying about any of the events in this case?
  
• Was this affair Zimmerman's fault?
  
• Did George tell the police that the 1st witness found him on top of Trayvon.
  
• Was there testimony by the medical experts that there was NO signs of GZ's DNA on Trayvon or under Trayvon's nails?
  
• Could George Zimmerman have self inflicted his wounds?
  
• Are there more than one detail of GZ's account of what occurred; which has NO corroborative evidence?
  
• Would the majority of trained and untrained persons you know, have handle this whole affair differently?
  
• Was George Zimmerman UNjustified in his pursuit and responsible for the killing of Trayvon Martin?
  

Ladies and Gentlemen of the Jury, if you find yourself answering yes to all of those questions;
then you must find that YES - George Zimmerman's reckless is responsible for the killing of Trayvon Martin!







, his father is a retired justice, he tried (unsuccessfully) to become an Policemen.

[lamp_shade]

1. Done.

[laserhaas]

5. Thanks 'lamb_shade'

[Liberal_in_LA]

2. signing now

[laserhaas]

6. Appreciate it 'Liberal_in_LA'

Is that Los Angeles or the Bayou State?

[Liberal_in_LA]

17. los angeles

[think]

3. signed

[laserhaas]

7. Thank ye 'think'

[think]

9. Thank you for posting

[laserhaas]

10. Your welcome - PLEASE also make sure you "socialize" the Petition.

I know we can get it to $1 million.

[historylovr]

4. Signed

[laserhaas]

8. Do appreciate it 'historylovr'

Much....

[brush]

11. On board here. nt

[laserhaas]

13. Welcome aboard 'brush' -

May it be that we 'brush' this bad faith statute from this country;
and restore good order to society and civility.

[libodem]

12. Done

[laserhaas]

14. THANKs 'libodem'

Please make sure to pass it on....

[libodem]

16. Will do

This episode has left me feeling helpless in the face of a grave injustice.

Signing made me feel like I just did something to help.

My heart is broken for Travon's , Mom, Dad and siblings. They were cheated and robbed. First of their son and brother. Then of their justice.

[mercymechap]

15. Happy to.

It's insane, GZ got away with murder.

[laserhaas]

18. Thanks - The correct analogy is GZ got 'Scot Free' away with killing Trayvon Martin.

Though, IMO, GZ was on a mission to prove himself as a wannabe cop, seeking a victim;
there's no where near enough evidence to support such a "beyond reasonable doubt" conclusion.

However, as for a Civil case against GZ, where you don't even need "clear and convincing" evidence; but only need to arrive upon the plateau of "preponderance of the evidence" standard.

That, I would argue - has a much more stronger chance of success.

Starting with the 911 Transcript of GZ saying "He looks Black, he's looking at me and he's reaching in his waistband"

[Hoyt]

19. +1. Challenge to all Gungeoneers to support what is truly responsible gun legislation.

[laserhaas]

28. Amen to support of "responsible" legislation

ethically speaking.... that is....

[rhett o rick]

20. I signed and absolutely support elimination of the SYG laws, but would that have helped

Martin? SYG wasnt used by Zimmy I dont think.

[Hoyt]

21. The 2005 SYG law changed the definition of self-defense to essentially SYG.

Judge's instructions were essentially SYG, and juror B37 said it was part of verdict.

SYG allowed Zman to walk, armed again among us.

[rhett o rick]

22. The way I understood it the judge ruled not to include the words in the law

that say you cant claim self defense if you initiate the conflict. The law change would not have helped. The judge's judgement harmed the prosecution.

[ceonupe]

23. Big fat Internet lie

That is not what happened.


The law specificly says if GZ was engaged in lawful conduct and the judge ruled the state did not prove he was not involved in lawful conduct.

Look I don't like the law but let's all stop lying about it to fit our outrage over the verdict.

In FL the law does not consider what GZ did prior to the shooting a crime. (Profiling and confronting although morally wrong is not illegal)

That means all we are dealing with is 2 people 1 which the state admits is on top assaulting GZ. (They state even got on a dummy to illustrate and to say it won't that bad of a beating)

This was a horible case and a horible state team.

But in this case the SYG was really just normal self defense law in FL.

It get tiring when people on the net complain that the judge gave bad instructions or wrong instruction. She gave the law as it applied to this case. Even the state is not claiming the jury instructions were wrong.

I see you support changing the law and I'm all for that. But the part that people have a problem with the stereotyping and profiling is not illegal and no one is talking about that.

But as a Blackman my reality is that stereotyping and profiling won't be aginst the law for sometime if ever. My blackness is scary to some I guess but I know the score.

[Hoyt]

24. The SYG law changed definition of self-defense. The jury instructions prior to 2005,

would have required your buddy to retreat from a skinny, unarmed kid, but NRA and Florida's bigoted gun lovers got the law changed to protect people like Zman.

[ceonupe]

25. problem is in this case

once the state admitted that zimmerman was mounted by trayvon zimmerman had no way to retreat and even under the old law it would be the same as the state admits Trayvon was ontop.

Like i said once the state mounted the dummy this case was officially over.

What zimmerman did prior to the "fight" is not illegal.

This case is all kinds of bad. but the state made it so much worse by visually simulating trayvon ontop and arguing the injuries wern't that "bad". For most people someone ontop of you when you are on the ground is pass the point of retreat.

But what zimmerman did initially wrong was profiling a black kid as a criminal. And unfortunately that's not illegal. In fact its standard practice for many police forces and is the preferred practice of Supper gun controller Mike bloomberg who specifically states more blacks should be stopped harassed and frisked. You see its that kind of thinking and policy that empowered zimmerman to start this whole thing. The Mike Bloombergs' NYPD would have stated Trayvon was making furtive movements/actions or was "out of place" would have stopped him questioned at gun point and would have physically searched him and held him till they confirmed his Identification.

You see the law sees this as not one big incident but 2 one legal but unmoral and wrong because it was based on profiling that turns out to be totally wrong. (that trayvon was a criminal in commission of potential crime) and a second part the "confrontation/fight" which the state did a horrible job explaining beyond a reasonable doubt and even admitted that Trayvon was on top at time of shooting.

Like I said this should not be about SYG but about racial profiling and how government policing polices encourage these types of situations. had Zimmerman not profiled Trayvon, Trayvon would not be dead. There would have never been a confrontation and no need for Trayvon to have been ontop of Zimmerman.

[Hoyt]

27. Zman who trained for fighting three days a week could have ended the thing or

gotten away, but Zman did make a lot of gun lovers/supporters happy.

[GreenStormCloud]

29. And was still so soft the trainer would not allow him into a ring. N/T

[Hoyt]

30. The trainer was just another bigot who lied for Zman.

Zman could have ended the whole incident at anytime, including when he started the incident.

[laserhaas]

34. Concur - GZ had a weapon - all he had to do was draw it and say FREEZE!

End of case, saving of life - mitigation of an event with jurisprudence being the paramount issue.

GZ's inability to mitigate - instead of seeking to instigate


- is the whole reason why they denied him being a cop in the first place.

[GreenStormCloud]

36. In the trial the reason stated was because of his credit report. N/T

[Hoyt]

37. Counting fights with people, abuse, possible rape, etc., you wonder why the hell people support the

the worthless soul. But some folks seem to love him, like their guns.

[GreenStormCloud]

38. What was said in the trial was legal testimony.

The rest is internet rumor.

[Hoyt]

39. Says those who defend Zman. Actually, the fights and spousal abuse ate documented.

But since he managed do what a lot of gun lovers dream of, he gets a break.

[Pelican]

49. And offered him the civilian equivalent?

Which he turned down?

[Pelican]

44. It sure is convenient...

... that anyone with facts or an interpretation that supports Zimmerman is a bigot.

The odds of every one of them ... Boggles the mind...

[Hoyt]

45. If they are also into guns and support Zman, you can pretty much bet on it.

You'll come out ahead in the long-run, which means they likely fall in that despicable category. Bet on it, better than stocks.

[laserhaas]

48. Mr. Hoyt, your presumption (empirical evidence notwithstanding) - is, in essence, bigotry

Granted, it is amazing that a majority of the the "pro" zim's are gun totting non black persons; be that as it may, one can't complain about bigotry issues, if one is engaging in bigotry in so doing.

Could we please refrain from ad hominem attacks and stay more on point?

And I hope ALL the commentors here have signed the PETITION!

[laserhaas]

46. Bias is at play in this case, from the outset. If the roles were askew of what transpired

and a black Trayvon Martin was the one who shot and killed the non-black father (retired justice) of Zimmerman; one would be very incongruous to argue that the shooter Martin would have been so quickly found to have used justifiable force.

Not knowing, whether or not the trainer is a bigot is not paramount.

[laserhaas]

47. Au contraire 'ceonupe' - your remarks are errant in several instances;

Such as "What zimmerman did prior to the 'fight' is not illegal"

Stalking someone IS illegal.

If it were your mom, daughter, sister being followed in a vehicle by someone, who then parked their vehicle, got out and ran after your female family member; would you expect her to just engage in conversation when the "stalker" popped up in front of her and demanded to know who she was and where she was going?

Wouldn't she be justified in attempting to knock down the stalking party with purse, spinning back kick - what have you!

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Secondly, the remark that;

"But what zimmerman did initially wrong was profiling a black kid as a criminal. And unfortunately that's not illegal"

It is a HATE CRIME - and that is (purportedly) what the Feds are looking into prosecuting currently.

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/07/15/us/justice-department-to-restart-hate-crime-investigation-in-trayvon-martins-death.html

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31. Yes, it is possible to initiate a conflict and still claim self-defense.

Here is how it works:

#1 starts the fight by throwing the first punch. (Words don't count as initiating a fight) #2 is a better fighter and soon is beating up on #1. #1 tries to run away and #2 pursues him, still beating on him. At this point, #2 is now the aggressor and #1 the defender.

OR: #2 is beating up #1, #1 yells, "I quit, you win." #2 is legally required to stop. If #2 keeps on punching, the he becomes the aggressor and #1 is the defender.

The level of force that #1 may then use will depend upon the situation. However, even though he is now the defender, #1 can still be charged for the initial assault.

If all #1 does is get mouthy, or follow #1, and #2 throws the first punch, then #2 is the aggressor.

[laserhaas]

33. You argue this from the State that still has draconian Laws allowing to shoot/kill your wife outside

with apple to orange comparisons that has nothing to do - WhatSoEver- with the case at hand.

In a legitimate realm of justice GZ would not be able to claim self defense (as the original aggressor)

Without corroborative evidence.

[GreenStormCloud]

35. That is the way self defense law is in all states.

What law in Texas allows shooting of wife? I am not aware of any.

[laserhaas]

42. Why? Do you seek a practical application of the draconian?

http://message.snopes.com/showthread.php?t=8979

[GreenStormCloud]

43. I wanted you to prove it. Such a law is NOT on the books.

A snopes forum is not proof of anything. Post the section that has the law.

[Peaceplace80]

26. Signed

Emailed it to friends and family. Thanks for sharing!

[laserhaas]

32. I find any conversation on the verdict being judicious a pathetic reflection of contemporary America

George Zimmerman followed a "teenage" Trayvon Martin with his vehicle;
While carrying a Loaded - CONCEALED - Lethal Weapon.

Then GZ got out of his vehicle and pursued the teenager.

HIS MOTIVES DON"T FUCKING MATTER - he was "Stalking" an innocent.

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Or - are we going to have a society, where everyone who wants someone dead;
may simply say "I thought they were up to something, I pursued and tried to detain.

When he/she over-reacted and I feared for my life - I shot him/her DEAD!

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Here's the short Youtube of the Detective's interview of George Zimmerman;
which puts it all in proper perspective (if it were your son that was killed).
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[laserhaas]

40. As for the argument of who was on top of whom - that TOO - is BOGUS banter/ hyperbole/ conjecture

For George Zimmerman himself testified that the 1st man upon the scene;
is a witness that GZ was on top of Trayvon.

Somehow - everyone seeking to argue this killing is justifiable;
neatly tends to be willfully blind to the alarming telltale piece of evidence.

[laserhaas]

41. It is disingenuous to argue GZ had the right to defend himself; after Trayvon Martin defended 1st.

If you are walking home, in a mall, in a school, a park, shopping center, baseball game etc.

And someone FOLLOWS you with their vehicle;
then parks it and rushes to pursue you

That is STALKING and would put anyone with common sense of fear of imminent harm.

If the person then confronts you - in an ALLEY WAY - where you are all alone

are you really going to say that your wife, your daughter or your grandmother

would not be justified in slugging, swinging their purse -

hitting the guy in the head?

PUHHLLLLEAAASSSEEEE stop the B.S.?

[laserhaas]

50. The PETITION is now at 325,000 signatures and climbing. Thanks for your help thus far. PLEASE

help it grow to 1/2 million by re-posting on your social networks this Monday morn?

[Little Star]

51. Done! Now at 328,793. k+r

[laserhaas]

52. Thanks - 'Little Star'

[laserhaas]

53. The PETITION is now at 341,000 signatures and climbing. Thanks for your help thus far. PLEASE

be sure to post on your social networks every couple of days?

Thanks

[laserhaas]

54. 362,000 signatures and climbing