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Recursion

(56,582 posts)
Sun Aug 4, 2013, 07:14 PM Aug 2013

Embassy closures and the boy who cried wolf

My wife works at a Consulate and we're about to travel for her work to south Asia, so I do have a little skin in this game, but still.

I think it's funny that people read the story of the boy who cried wolf and think the target of the lesson is the boy. It's not. The target of the lesson is the rest of the villagers. He lied before, and for whatever reason they sent him out there again. Despite that, when he said "wolf" the third time, they didn't listen. And because they didn't listen, the wolf came and ate all of them. Most people get the lesson of this backwards.

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Embassy closures and the boy who cried wolf (Original Post) Recursion Aug 2013 OP
I have colleagues traveling in places mentioned in the alert. DCBob Aug 2013 #1
I clicked on this thinking maybe Recursion had a different point of view for once Fumesucker Aug 2013 #2
Heh Recursion Aug 2013 #5
I thought the lesson was ... Bok_Tukalo Aug 2013 #3
That's a more succinct summary Recursion Aug 2013 #4
And bullshitting about him can be fatal to the bullshitter Fumesucker Aug 2013 #7
And not listening to a former bullshitter can get you eaten Recursion Aug 2013 #9
I never heard the story that way, the boy and some of his flock were eaten Fumesucker Aug 2013 #12
Hm. Now I wonder what (if anything) is the "canonical" version of it... Recursion Aug 2013 #13
It's Aesop. Neither the boy nor the villagers are killed the flock is scattered Bluenorthwest Aug 2013 #18
I thought the moral of the story was Proud Liberal Dem Aug 2013 #6
How is that the point? The people who didn't believe the boy got eaten Recursion Aug 2013 #8
That was a joke Proud Liberal Dem Aug 2013 #10
The moral of the story is not that the wolf exists. Gravitycollapse Aug 2013 #11
The wolf didn't eat the people. gulliver Aug 2013 #14
It was the flock that got eaten treestar Aug 2013 #17
The moral of the story is that the US never goes to war WITHOUT... Junkdrawer Aug 2013 #15
Wouldn't the lesson of that tale have to do with the importance of trust and Bluenorthwest Aug 2013 #16
The moral of the story is that conspiracy theorists are polyps on the ass of society. millennialmax Aug 2013 #19

DCBob

(24,689 posts)
1. I have colleagues traveling in places mentioned in the alert.
Sun Aug 4, 2013, 07:21 PM
Aug 2013

They do indeed take these things seriously.

And yes, that crying wolf lesson is often not understood. Also, just because something doesn't happen doesn't mean the warning is not legitimate.

Fumesucker

(45,851 posts)
2. I clicked on this thinking maybe Recursion had a different point of view for once
Sun Aug 4, 2013, 07:26 PM
Aug 2013

Fool me once, etc. Won't get fooled again.



Godspeed on your trip to you and your wife.

Fumesucker

(45,851 posts)
7. And bullshitting about him can be fatal to the bullshitter
Sun Aug 4, 2013, 07:36 PM
Aug 2013

Otherwise the story would just be that the boy got eaten by the wolf, there's no other reason for all the embellishment of jokingly calling for help, etc.



Recursion

(56,582 posts)
9. And not listening to a former bullshitter can get you eaten
Sun Aug 4, 2013, 07:40 PM
Aug 2013

Were there no other boys in the village? Could no adults be spared? The boy learned his lesson, told the truth, and the adults didn't come.

Fumesucker

(45,851 posts)
12. I never heard the story that way, the boy and some of his flock were eaten
Sun Aug 4, 2013, 07:46 PM
Aug 2013

The rest of the village not so much.

ETA: The villagers did give the boy at least a second chance and came the second time.



Recursion

(56,582 posts)
13. Hm. Now I wonder what (if anything) is the "canonical" version of it...
Sun Aug 4, 2013, 07:47 PM
Aug 2013

I'll see if I can research that.

 

Bluenorthwest

(45,319 posts)
18. It's Aesop. Neither the boy nor the villagers are killed the flock is scattered
Sun Aug 4, 2013, 10:02 PM
Aug 2013

and 'lost'. As with all of Aesop's fables, the moral of the story is included directly, in this case it is the liar's reward is that even when they tells the truth no one believes them.
The version you tell is a free adaptation to say the least.

Recursion

(56,582 posts)
8. How is that the point? The people who didn't believe the boy got eaten
Sun Aug 4, 2013, 07:39 PM
Aug 2013

The lesson is that if you sent someone out there, you'd better learn to trust him, or find somebody else.

Gravitycollapse

(8,155 posts)
11. The moral of the story is not that the wolf exists.
Sun Aug 4, 2013, 07:45 PM
Aug 2013

The moral is do not take advantage of people's kindness because they will eventually abandon you.

gulliver

(13,180 posts)
14. The wolf didn't eat the people.
Sun Aug 4, 2013, 07:47 PM
Aug 2013

How is a single wolf going to eat a bunch of people? It makes no sense.

treestar

(82,383 posts)
17. It was the flock that got eaten
Sun Aug 4, 2013, 09:52 PM
Aug 2013
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Boy_Who_Cried_Wolf

An interesting paragraph from that article:

Teachers have used the fable as a cautionary tale about telling the truth but a recent educational experiment suggested that reading "The Boy Who Cried Wolf" increased children’s likelihood of lying. On the other hand, reading a book on George Washington and the cherry tree decreased this likelihood dramatically.[5] The suggestibility and favourable outcome of the behaviour described, therefore, seems the key to moral instruction of the young. However, when dealing with the moral behaviour of adults, Samuel Croxall asks, referencing political alarmism, "when we are alarmed with imaginary dangers in respect of the public, till the cry grows quite stale and threadbare, how can it be expected we should know when to guard ourselves against real ones?"[6]

Junkdrawer

(27,993 posts)
15. The moral of the story is that the US never goes to war WITHOUT...
Sun Aug 4, 2013, 07:52 PM
Aug 2013

a "catastrophic and catalyzing event – like a new Pearl Harbor."

 

Bluenorthwest

(45,319 posts)
16. Wouldn't the lesson of that tale have to do with the importance of trust and
Sun Aug 4, 2013, 09:48 PM
Aug 2013

transparency in a community facing mutual threat from the outside? I think so. Is it not the secrecy and manipulation of the truth that in your version costs them all their lives? I think it is.

 

millennialmax

(331 posts)
19. The moral of the story is that conspiracy theorists are polyps on the ass of society.
Sun Aug 4, 2013, 10:11 PM
Aug 2013

I'm glad people that have skin in the game are taking these threats seriously.

People that cry "bullshit" over everything are far more annoying and detrimental to society.

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