Family Pleads For Answers Why Police Gunned Down Daughter In SE OKC

[damnedifIknow]

OKLAHOMA CITY -

The parents of Stacey Stout made a tearful plea for answers in their daughter's death during an exclusive interview with News 9.

Officers in a multi-agency task force shot and killed Stacey Stout and her fugitive boyfriend, Christopher Stout, when he allegedly tried to make a getaway from US Marshals Task Force.

Stacey had no criminal record, but was a passenger in the truck that was riddled with bullet holes on April 9, 2013. Now, Lance and Barbre Stout have filed a federal lawsuit against nine law enforcement agencies and the officers involved in the shooting."

Autopsies show Stacey Stout died from a gunshot wound to the head and Christopher Stout died from multiple gun shots. Lance Stout questions the amount of gun fire.

"Neither one of them did anything to warrant what they did that night and I just don't see how they justify it."

The Stouts say their daughter did not have a criminal record when she was shot in the head.

"Someone needs to be held accountable for what they did. To date, there has been no weapon so we have been told. So why did they do it?"

Video at link: http://www.newson6.com/story/23034829/family-plead-for-answers-for-why-police-gunned-down-daughter-in-se-okc

[jollyreaper2112]

1. Not one to defend cops here

But their little angel's boyfriend is a criminal and just tried to ram cops with his vehicle? Looks like she made a poor choice in boyfriends and won't be making that mistake again. Damn shame? Yup. Will the cops involved have to live with it? Yup. I doubt they are shedding any tears over the guy but it would be hard to not feel bad for the girl.

[damnedifIknow]

2. Sounds like they had no weapon

so running from the cops now is a death sentence?

[Major Nikon]

4. Nobody should receive a death sentence for anything

However, she willingly got into a car with a fugitive she knew was running from the police. Did she really expect anything good to come from it?

I've spent a bit of time in Oklahoma City and my limited interaction with the OKC PD has never left a good impression on me. It may well be shown that the cops used excessive force, but anyone who hops in the car with a known fugitive running from the law has to take at least some responsibility for the risk involved. It's not as if she's an innocent bystander who happened to get hit by a stray bullet.

[bahrbearian]

7. So Pepper Spray , Tashers .Bean Bags. or Patience are not tools to be used, only bullets. WOW

[Faryn Balyncd]

28. Nope. They use bean bags to kill uncooperative 95 year old WW2 vets in nursing homes.

(and tasers much ore often.)


http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023400248#post1

[Garion_55]

13. i doubt she expected anything good.

but i doubt she figured she would be gunned down by the police either.

[okieinpain]

29. it isn't. hell I thought just looking at one the wrong way was a death sentence.

that's what I tell my kids they know when you have involvement with the police to shut up and do just about anything you're told.

[TransitJohn]

3. Yeah, she has poor taste in men, so her homicide is totally justified. Good post.

[SamKnause]

5. Cops

Agree.

It boggles the mind.

[AnotherMcIntosh]

17. Was she a criminal? Does the law only protect "little angels"? Was she armed? Did she threaten

the LEOs?

Did you notice that even her boyfriend wasn't armed? The cops didn't even take the time to plant a drop gun.

The LEOs are being paid to uphold the law. No law authorizes LEOs to just start shooting when they are trying to apprehend a fugitive.

Quite frankly, her parents should be asking for answers. So should those who have been given the authority and responsibility to oversee the LEOs. They owe it to the public to do their jobs.

Only an irresponsible person would trivialize their daughter's death.

[rhett o rick]

23. That's a disgusting rationalization. I am surprised to read such trash on a Democratic sight. Shame

on you.

[HardTimes99]

25. When a post begins with the clause "Not one to defend cops here but . . .," you just

know you're in for a real treat



I share your absolute disgust and dismay.

[HardTimes99]

24. Your cruelty is breath-taking ("won't be making that mistake again"). Unbelievable - nt

[bunnies]

54. Nobody fucking rammed anything.

What a completely disgusting post. You should be ashamed of yourself.

[RebelOne]

59. Where did you read that he tried to ram the cops?

Nothing in the story even suggests that.

[jollyreaper2112]

63. searched for it again

One officer suffered minor injuries, Nelson said.

Members of the U.S. Marshals Metro Fugitive Task Force attempted to serve two felony burglary warrants on Stout about 7:40 p.m. Tuesday at a motel near Interstate 35 and SE 44.

Stout and his girlfriend tried to flee in a pickup, Nelson said. At least one law enforcement vehicle collided with the pickup before officers began shooting, he said.

http://newsok.com/two-people-shot-killed-by-law-officers-in-oklahoma-city-are-identified/article/3781837

Wasn't in OP, googled for additional info. should have included link.

If there was no threat to life, opening fire is crazy. If there's threat to life, what else can they do?

High-speed chases strike me like cowboy cops, too much risk for the general public. But what's the alternative? I guess it all depends on the level of risk. But what happens if a guy runs from a traffic stop, cops don't pursue and you find out he's got a child in the trunk? Damned if you do, damned if you don't.

[Sms92]

79. Just want answers

Yes they will have to live with it but I don't think they really care. Rumor has it he ALLEDGELY robbed one of the police officers house. They had them under watch and never once tried to arrest them because in my eyes they needed him to look like he was running to kill him as for Stacey I think they killed her because she could tell what actually happened she became a witness when they shot. How about the family that has to live with the loss, the child that lost both parents the fact now how do you tell her cops are your a safety we just want to know why

[cantbeserious]

6. The Oligarchs Hired Hands Running Out Of Control - Business As Usual In America - Tragic As Well

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[Quantess]

8. I hate it when people blame the victim in cases like this.

Obviously she made some poor choices in her last moments of her life, but that doesn't mean she deserved to get killed.

[damnedifIknow]

10. I agree and not to stray from the subject

but I have 997 posts? I just joined lol. Damn, I have a big mouth.

[Quantess]

71. Your profile says you joined june 2012. Time flies.

Anyway, 1000 in a year is not at all hard to do.

[Jenoch]

9. I cannot find too many details

on this incident. If the fugitive tried to drive off by ramming a LEO vehicle, the cops are going to respond with deadly force. The woman should not have been in a vehicle with a fugitive from justice. She should have been at home with her baby. Where was her baby when this happened?

[Ed Suspicious]

15. More victim blaming? Fucking hell! Killed without a weapon in a hail of gunfire for being in a car

with a criminal. How can we even consider that her death is somehow her responsibility? What kind of people are we to accept the killing of a young lady, mother by authorities simply for being in the wrong place at the wrong time? They seem to view every situation as a shooting one. I for one am fucking tired of it.

[Jenoch]

18. I didn't say

it was her responsibility. I did imply that if she were at home with her baby instead of in her fugitive boyfriend's vehicle she would be alive today.

Killed without a weapon? I prefaced my statement that IF her criminal boyfired tried to run over police officers with his vehicle, they will respond with deadly force.

[TransitJohn]

20. With all due respect, what the fuck!?!?

She should be home with her kid?? That's almost alert worthy, and I never alert. Crazy misogyny. The first half of the 20th Century wants your attitude back.

[Jenoch]

21. She has a baby.

Are you saying she should be out running around with her criminal, fugitive boyfriend instead of taking care of her child?

How is a position like that alert worthy?

[reusrename]

31. All women who aren't at home with their babies should be killed.

Shot in the head.

I see the logic in it.

I sure can't understand why someone would alert on that bit of wisdom.

[Jenoch]

35. Huh?

What a ridiculous statement. I never wrote nor did I imply such a thing.
her
This young woman made a bad choice and it cost her her life. I have never said she deserved it nor did I imply she should have received such treatment. I simply said that if she chose not to accompany her criminal, fugitive boyfriend she would be with her baby right now. Are you saying she made the correct choice?

[Jenoch]

57. So you too believe

this young woman made the correct decision to be running around with her criminal, fugitive boyfriend in the middle of the night instead of taking care of her child?

I never said all women should stay at home barefoot and pregnant. I said if this woman
had been at home with her baby instead of with her criminal, fugitive boyfriend, she would be alive today.

[bunnies]

55. Yeah. That dumb broad shoulda known her role!

amirite? How DARE she leave the baby-tendin to someone else. She shoulda been home fixin dinner for the men-folk where she belongs!

[HardTimes99]

27. +Infinity! - nt

[bunnies]

52. Where are you getting that he "rammed" a vehicle?

Link please.

[Jenoch]

56. Read my post again.

"...If the fugitive tried to drive off by ramming a LEO vehicle,"

Here is a link where it says the suspect vehicle and law enforcement vehicle collided. Again, I could not find too many details.

http://newsok.com/two-people-shot-killed-by-law-officers-in-oklahoma-city-are-identified/article/3781837

[bunnies]

58. The cop cut him off on purpose.

According to police, the suspects took off in a car forcing officers to use a tactical vehicle intervention (TVI) maneuver to stop them.

http://www.news9.com/story/21936844/suspects-officers-identified-in-se-okc-officer-involved-shooting

So... a cop forced the collision and then they all opened fire on the truck. There was no excuse for it.

[Jenoch]

61. I did not find that story. Thank you for the additional information.

[RebelOne]

60. But there is nothing stated that he tried to ram the police car.

I think the police tried to ram the pickup.

[Jenoch]

62. See my reply #61.

[msanthrope]

78. The fugitive in question was apparently wanted for a string of burglaries of guns and jewlery.

He's also got a formidable rap sheet, and apparently comes from a family of ne'er-do-wells.

Thus, the US Marshalls were brought in because of the nature of the fugitive. I'm not defending the cops--something went wrong here.

[blackspade]

11. Great, more collateral damage by the cops.

I'd be interested to know if that was the only wound she had.

[Heather MC]

12. They are boy friend and girl friend with the same last name

Hmmmm
Ok so the BF was a Criminal. this is sad but it sounds like a case of you are the company you keep

[RC]

14. For a Democratic/Liberal/non-conservative web site there sure are a lot of people here that think

laws are sacrosanct and law enforcements are justified in their over reactions, no matter who gets shot.
Somehow some one or more will be along to blame the victim for getting in the way of one or more of the sometime hundreds of bullets fired by the police. As if bullets are the only way to deal with a given situation. Bullets are cheaper than the hourly pay of the police, or what?

[Ed Suspicious]

16. Good post. I'm so sick and tired of reading about cops decimating all in their wake. So sick of it!

[RC]

19. Disable their vehicle. Block them in. Jacks/spikes. There used to be all kinds of things the police

could do to stop someone. Now all we seem to have are swat team trained paramilitary acting as if they are in a war zone.

[Jenoch]

22. The details we know so far

do not say whether or not there sufficient time to stop the auto with such measures. If there was time and they were not deployed, well than the cops screwed up and should be liable.

[ConcernedCanuk]

33. +1!

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.
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Thank you

was hoping to see an empathetic response in this thread for the loss of this young girl's life.



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[malaise]

80. +1,000

The bullies and their bullets rule

[Peaceplace80]

26. More and more

This seems to happening. Police shooting first when it could of been avoided. Maybe she should of made better decisions, but she wasn't armed. She could of received help to change, but now she will never have that chance.

[okieinpain]

30. where do you folks live at that you can run away from the police and

not get shot at. I thought it was pretty universal knowledge that if you run from the police you can expect to get shot at. seriously I'm starting to think this is some "it's nice to be white" expectations.

I'm african american and I can tell you I would never try to run from the police and if I did I would expect the shooting to start shortly after I made my first move.

[davidn3600]

32. Police are not supposed to kill you

Police are supposed to apprehend people with the least amount of force possible. Lethal force is to be used only in situations that pose danger to the officer or other people. Simply running away from the police, unarmed, is not a justifiable use of deadly force.

[okieinpain]

73. sir I don't know what to say, but since I was a little kid

I've been told the police will kill you if you run.

[ConcernedCanuk]

34. where do you folks live at that you can run away from the police and not get shot at

.
.
.

ummm

CANADA!!!!

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[ceonupe]

36. U nailed it

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The white privilege on DU is so oblivious but they don't see it.

Many of the post on here especial about Occupy were things if a black man did would have been beaten if not killed onsite.

Not saying this lady should have died. But I am saying just like the post above running from the cops can get you shot. Using a car as a battering ram to escape is a great way to get pumped full of lead.

[muriel_volestrangler]

45. This is the 3rd poster here to talk about 'ramming' the policr; I can see nothing like that

in the linked story (or the other stories linked from there). They say Stout tried to get away.

Where are you all getting this 'ramming' from?

"But I am saying just like the post above running from the cops can get you shot. "

And that is what is wrong with the USA. The police should not shoot someone unless they are a danger to the safety of the public.

[ceonupe]

46. Many

Shoot black men because they truly fear them. That fear comes from sterotyping , popular culture, media and the actions of other young black men.

The rules are diffent for us and always have been. But I can tell you one thing this case has already gotten people on the force in big trouble for failure to supervise but I doubt there will be charges aginst officers once dashboard video is reviewed. Hopefully the press gets a copy.

[muriel_volestrangler]

51. Why did you talk about 'ramming'? (nt)

[okieinpain]

72. no kidding. I'm really shocked since I've been a kid I've always been

told do what the police say and don't argue. just do it. I'm 53 in case anyone is wondering.

[jollyreaper2112]

37. How nice

I love how people assume I'm a badge sniffer here. Not the case. My default view towards cops hovers between contempt and disgust. I do think we are too militarized as a society, blindly respect authority and accept a ridiculous level of judicial violence.

A) I know cops lie. So there's always the chance this isn't as it's portrayed.
B) don't be a criminal. Looks like he was.
C) don't associate with criminals. She could have just as easily been killed by a criminal associate rather than the cops.
D) if you try to kill a cop, they're going to kill you right back.

I don't know the whole story here yet. Certainly new information can change my perspective. But it looks like she fell in love with a bad boy and got killed for it. Usually it's not so dramatic. Usually it just amounts to physical and emotional abuse as she tries to explain to friends and family how he beats her because he loves her. She'll either wise up eventually or remain a punching bag. Or she might end up costarring in another American murder-suicide tragedy, people wringing their hands over how she would still be alive if only the crazy man respected the restraining order.

[rhett o rick]

39. I assume your ideology falls way over towards the right side of the spectrum.

Your rationalizations, I have heard before, but never from a Democrat. Democrats show compassion and empathy. Maybe our tents has gotten too large.

[jollyreaper2112]

40. oh really

You're calling me a republican? Where I come from, them's fighting words.

What's the difference between blaming the victim and taking responsibility?

For example, a woman sitting in her own home minding her own business is raped. Only an MRA asshole would say she had it coming.

Now take another woman who goes out with the football team and gets plastered. Now, jocks are known rape risks. They're used to doing whatever they want and getting away with it. And she's now drunk and incapacitated. This is like climbing into a tiger's cage. What do you think is going to happen? So, does she deserve to be raped? No. Should the jocks get away with it? No. Will she likely get assaulted or raped in this situation? Yes. Will they likely get away with it? Yes.

Tell me, what do you think when you read about some toddler blowing his head off because his gun nut father kept a loaded piece on the coffee table? I feel bad for the kid but what the fuck did the asshole think was going to happen in that kind of situation? It's as predictable as the dog jumping up on the counter to eat the roast.

There's some people who derive a sense of glee from seeing people suffering the consequences of their actions. It gives them pleasure. I'm not that way. I see blameless suffering and it makes me sad. I see self-inflicted pain and it makes me angry because it's so unnecessary. It could have been avoided.

[muriel_volestrangler]

50. Let's get back to reality; there's no violence in this story, expect from the cops

You make up a succession of scenarios:
"She could have just as easily been killed by a criminal associate rather than the cops" (we have not heard anything about any associates. Her boyfriend was unarmed)
" if you try to kill a cop" (and what has that to do with this story? He tried to get away)
"I don't know the whole story here yet" (no kidding, but that hasn't stopped you making stuff up and trying to use it in your argument)
" Usually it just amounts to physical and emotional abuse" (nothing in this story about him abusing her. You seem to have a fantasy going here)
"how he beats her because he loves her. She'll either wise up eventually or remain a punching bag. Or she might end up costarring in another American murder-suicide tragedy, people wringing their hands over how she would still be alive if only the crazy man respected the restraining order." (yep, that's a complete fantasy on your part. You are justifying this shooting by saying "these people, they beat each other up and kill each other all the time - it's inevitable. Why does it matter if a cop got there first?&quot

Your post above? More fantasies. About rape, or the death of a child, this time. And what has that to do with this case? Fuck all. She was with her boyfriend. He was wanted for burglary. There is no death penalty for burglary. It is not a crime involving violence against a person. If she did know he was a burglar, which isn't actually established, then this does not mean she was in an inevitably violent situation just by spending time with him.

"I see self-inflicted pain and it makes me angry because it's so unnecessary." - no, you see death at the hands of the police, and you call it 'self-inflicted pain". And that's why you come across as a right winger.

[jollyreaper2112]

64. judge not

Well, volestrangler, you appear to be a right piece of work as well. Who the fuck strangles innocent rodents?

I call self-inflicted pain putting yourself in a situation where it's likely to happen. Treyvon Martin walking down the street while black, he wasn't asking for it. Me flashing a fat roll of cash in a bad neighborhood? Asking for it.

Contractors on the Death Star, Clerks.

[muriel_volestrangler]

66. So, to you, having a burglar as a boyfriend = likely to get killed by the police

That might apply in a dystopian nightmare. But not in a civilised country.

You have brought 'blaming the victim' to a whole new level.

[jollyreaper2112]

67. yawn

We don't live in a civilized society, we live in America.

Having a criminal boyfriend does increase your risk profile. Just like drunk driving increases your risk of getting yourself and/or others killed. Just like riding a motorcycle increases your chances of death and dismemberment.

Do I like it that SWAT comes in with no-knock warrants and kills innocent people? No. It makes me furious. I run the risk of it happening just by living in this fucking country. But if I choose to live with a drug dealer, it's more likely that it'll happen to me.

Saying it's a shame does about as much good for the victim as praying. There's nothing that can be done except learning by example.

And you never explained your animal cruelty to innocent voles.

[GiaGiovanni]

68. Why are you yawning?

This is a pretty serious issue, no?

[jollyreaper2112]

69. yawning at poster, not issue

The vole harmer is trolling. That's what the yawn is for.

[muriel_volestrangler]

74. I'm not trolling in the least - you started making up stories about violence

which seem designed to blame the victim, or are total red herrings. You were also the first poster to falsely claim that Stout 'rammed' a police car. If anyone is trolling it's you. You then say that this was 'self-inflicted pain' because she was in a situation where it was 'likely to happen' (which you later backed out of, and started talking about things that were 'more likely' to happen - which is not the same, but convince me you just talk shit and are unable to justify it).

And you keep harping on about my screen name. Why? I haven't been talking about yours. Again, your obsession with my screen name seems a red herring, just designed to deflact attention from the RW bullshit you've posted.

[GiaGiovanni]

75. Oh, OK

[malaise]

38. Living while black

is a threat to your life. I won't even check for their race.

[geek tragedy]

41. She was white nt

[malaise]

70. Got me

[Rex]

42. Overkill. The level of aggression was way over the top.

But I don't think the parents of the daughter will ever have a case to bring to trial.

[geek tragedy]

43. Note: they were running FROM the police, not trying to run them down with a vehicle.

There's a criminal investigation pending, so they are asking a very legitimate question.

Boyfriend was a dirtbag, so what? Running from the cops is not a death penalty offense.

[damnedifIknow]

44. Nobody seems to want to step in and stop this type of thing

so is this the new normal? If so we are in for one hell of a ride.

[ceonupe]

47. When they

Were blocked in they attempted to ram there way out. That alone will get u shot by the police.

[geek tragedy]

48. Where's that detail described? nt

[Orrex]

49. If they had been stopped without a shot fired...

would Stacey have faced criminal charges for her involvement with Christopher?


Horrible story. Very sad for the family.

[Harmony Blue]

53. I don't trust the police anymore

they are so militarized now, and they treat you guilty until proven innocent and act like they are the judge, jury and executioners now.

[GiaGiovanni]

65. 75 bullets. 6 police cars chasing them. No guns in car. Male wanted for theft, not violent felonies

Cops just started shooting.

More to this story than meets the eye.

Female was collateral damage.

[Kennah]

76. Shoot the hostage. It's the only way to be sure.

America. What a dystopia.

[snappyturtle]

77. This wasn't Bonnie and Clyde the cops were chasing.