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Nye Bevan

(25,406 posts)
Mon Aug 5, 2013, 12:26 PM Aug 2013

New Yorkers use bogus 'therapy dog' tags to take Fido everywhere


Phony “service dog” tags have become common among city pooch owners, who use them for everything from taking Fido bar-hopping to pick up chicks to getting discounts on the Hamptons Jitney. Dog owners can easily snap up bogus tags, vests, patches and certificates on the Internet, circumventing the city Health Department and undermining federal regulations designed to aid the disabled.

“I was sick of tying up my dog outside,” said Brett David, 33, a restaurateur whose tiny pooch, Napoleon, wore an unofficial “therapy dog” patch during a visit to Whole Foods on Houston Street (pictured). “Sometimes, they’ll give me a hassle and say bring the papers next time, but for five bucks, you order [a patch] off eBay, and it works 90 percent of the time,” he told The Post.

The Health Department issues legitimate service-dog tags but doesn’t regulate them. To obtain a legitimate tag, an applicant only needs to present a letter from a dog trainer saying the dog can perform certain useful tasks. Proof of a disability isn’t required.

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Vlasovskaya isn’t worried about getting called out, noting it’s a hassle to verify the certificate. “You’d have to go through all of these links or get someone on the line,” she said. “With all of that effort, they will probably just let you in.”



http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/stupid_dog_trick_1nMC3NBq6sPfyzlpXdiDkN




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New Yorkers use bogus 'therapy dog' tags to take Fido everywhere (Original Post) Nye Bevan Aug 2013 OP
So? Fawke Em Aug 2013 #1
Until they take a huge shit in the middle of the aisle snooper2 Aug 2013 #3
Of course that should be policed. Fawke Em Aug 2013 #61
Yeah, fuck people with allergies Capt. Obvious Aug 2013 #7
Perfume, anyone? Fawke Em Aug 2013 #62
Your unsourced anecdote aside about allergy rates Capt. Obvious Aug 2013 #93
If it's someplace that serves food, the dog's behavior has nothing to do with it. kestrel91316 Aug 2013 #13
How? They walked in off the same street I did. They may shed on the floor but so do I. uppityperson Aug 2013 #40
Well, you asked the right person that question, lol. I have a special interest in kestrel91316 Aug 2013 #45
So HOW are they infecting people? HOW can I acquire salmonella from someone's dog in a uppityperson Aug 2013 #58
Fomites, my dear. Hands and other objects. The dog owner holding their darling gets some kestrel91316 Aug 2013 #59
And they don't do that at home? Fawke Em Aug 2013 #63
Well if you think the laws against animals in food service establishments kestrel91316 Aug 2013 #65
And copy editors would make mincemeat out of you. Fawke Em Aug 2013 #68
There is nothing obtuse about my view that laws prohibiting pets in food service kestrel91316 Aug 2013 #74
While I agree, overall, I still find animals less Fawke Em Aug 2013 #79
You're trying to use science customerserviceguy Aug 2013 #81
What packages of meat or produce are restaurant patrons handling? "my dear"?As a food service patron uppityperson Aug 2013 #64
I wasn't being condescending. I was trying to explain why animals and kestrel91316 Aug 2013 #66
In what food service establishments do the customers handle packages of meat or produce? uppityperson Aug 2013 #70
I read the concern as it being in a grocery store, i.e., Whole Foods, mentioned in the OP. n/t susanna Aug 2013 #83
This subthread started with "If it's someplace that serves food". nt uppityperson Aug 2013 #84
When I lived in Europe it was quite common to see people bring dogs to restaurants Major Nikon Aug 2013 #77
Yes, and those Europeans don't pasteurize their beer, either ... JustABozoOnThisBus Aug 2013 #91
Yummy, dogs in the grocery store NightWatcher Aug 2013 #2
Saw a guy walking through the produce section of an upscale grocery store in Palm Springs with a cherokeeprogressive Aug 2013 #73
I've run into this locally. All it takes is a sense of total self-justification and narcissism. Shrike47 Aug 2013 #4
Dogs on planes MannyGoldstein Aug 2013 #5
Many airlines let you take dogs now Nevernose Aug 2013 #14
Ah geez. MannyGoldstein Aug 2013 #17
I'm not sure how you'd do that - you know, if you want them to breath. bluedigger Aug 2013 #48
a good dose of pet valium is an option too Skittles Aug 2013 #80
pets are allowed on planes tabbycat31 Aug 2013 #16
Dogs and cats are allowed in carriers if they're small enough to fit under the seat. pnwmom Aug 2013 #24
Real service dogs do not require any form of ID KamaAina Aug 2013 #6
Yup. Gormy Cuss Aug 2013 #29
Yes! The dog in the article has a "therapy dog" patch which is meaningless in terms of where it can KurtNYC Aug 2013 #31
Well, I love your dogs lol. I have one that resembles the pup on the right. (nt) Inkfreak Aug 2013 #33
Two cutey patootys! LordGlenconner Aug 2013 #42
I. Feel. The. Urgent. Need. To. Throw. A. Ball. Fawke Em Aug 2013 #69
They're very well trained too dipsydoodle Aug 2013 #8
These people cause problems Lee-Lee Aug 2013 #9
It is a felony to impersonate an ADA qualified person KurtNYC Aug 2013 #32
Isn't impersonating a government official a crime? Whiskeytide Aug 2013 #57
Oh, they DO have a disability: Morally Handicapped DinahMoeHum Aug 2013 #10
well put MrNJ Aug 2013 #12
I just had visitors in from San Francisco and they had the same complaint. cbayer Aug 2013 #11
That's a management problem. Fawke Em Aug 2013 #71
It is a lie. #1, I've eaten in restaurants all over this city for 27 years.... Luminous Animal Aug 2013 #89
I live in San Francisco. And this 'story' is a piece of shit. Luminous Animal Aug 2013 #87
Are you saying that my friends just made it up? cbayer Aug 2013 #97
There are always people around who abuse the system. Liberal In Texas Aug 2013 #15
for the most part "service dogs" are a scam. how about service elephants next? nt msongs Aug 2013 #18
No. At $20,000+ each they are not a scam. KurtNYC Aug 2013 #34
I find your opinion ignorant and uninformed. My autistic daughter's service msanthrope Aug 2013 #60
This is Very American: jackasses that abuse the system and freedom to ruin it for others AZ Progressive Aug 2013 #19
Jackass? When I take my faux-service dog from my car ... JustABozoOnThisBus Aug 2013 #92
When we were eating in a restaurant in a castle in Germany newfie11 Aug 2013 #20
I was pretty surprised to see dogs in McDonald's in Germany. bluedigger Aug 2013 #52
Damn didn't know they had beer newfie11 Aug 2013 #55
I think most of them speak English by now anyways. bluedigger Aug 2013 #56
I;m actually surprised that people take offense to dogs. Raine1967 Aug 2013 #21
Not everyone enjoys the aroma of dog whilst trying to eat REP Aug 2013 #22
You saw a child throw up? Guess what? Children are human beings. All human beings can throw up. n/t pnwmom Aug 2013 #26
I know they are human beings. I wasn't disparaging children. Raine1967 Aug 2013 #35
I agree with you then. I don't have a problem with children in public or service dogs. n/t pnwmom Aug 2013 #38
My bigger issue is with the OP and Raine1967 Aug 2013 #49
these aren't service dogs, and based on the attitude of the asshole owner cited in the story.. frylock Aug 2013 #39
It's an article from the New York Post. Raine1967 Aug 2013 #43
so in your estimation, that decision should be left to the owner of the dog? frylock Aug 2013 #46
Read the article again. Raine1967 Aug 2013 #54
Some people will bend the rules to the nth degree SoCalDem Aug 2013 #23
How about the people who print up those handicapped tags for their truck mirror panader0 Aug 2013 #25
FWIW, not all handicaps are readily visible. uppityperson Aug 2013 #41
Very true newfie11 Aug 2013 #44
thanks for mentioning that CountAllVotes Aug 2013 #82
Maybe he had a stutter. egduj Aug 2013 #76
They're noisy, smelly, and filthy Egalitarian Thug Aug 2013 #27
Dogs accompany their owners ann--- Aug 2013 #28
Because this isn't France. ForgoTheConsequence Aug 2013 #36
Do you have to touch the dogs for a reaction? newfie11 Aug 2013 #50
One of the hardest things I have to control is to NOT pet Fawke Em Aug 2013 #78
I'm allergic to some perfumes, all pork and some plants. Fawke Em Aug 2013 #72
"Do you see how stupid you sound" Capt. Obvious Aug 2013 #94
Because other people don't want your dog barking and shitting while they eat Taitertots Aug 2013 #53
I know someone Tien1985 Aug 2013 #30
+1 newfie11 Aug 2013 #51
THANK YOU. Fawke Em Aug 2013 #75
Rich Dicks otohara Aug 2013 #37
DOJ changed rules for ADA service animals....doesnt affect state laws KinMd Aug 2013 #47
Poor, poor David. HolyMoley Aug 2013 #67
Dogs should be allowed to go everywhere. nt darkangel218 Aug 2013 #85
It's not just a health issue Politicalboi Aug 2013 #86
Dogs stink LittleBlue Aug 2013 #88
They only lick if they like you nolabels Aug 2013 #90
Many restaurants with outside patio dining welcome MineralMan Aug 2013 #95
Issue licences for service animals. redgreenandblue Aug 2013 #96
This message was self-deleted by its author CountAllVotes Aug 2013 #98

Fawke Em

(11,366 posts)
1. So?
Mon Aug 5, 2013, 12:28 PM
Aug 2013

I think more places should allow well-behaved pets.

I know it brightens my day to see a dog in the Home Depot (a local contractor always brings his retriever-mix into the store with him - I see them a couple of times a year.)

 

snooper2

(30,151 posts)
3. Until they take a huge shit in the middle of the aisle
Mon Aug 5, 2013, 12:35 PM
Aug 2013

and you turn a corner and your three year old steps in it-

Fawke Em

(11,366 posts)
62. Perfume, anyone?
Mon Aug 5, 2013, 09:36 PM
Aug 2013

Far more people are allergic to soaps and perfumes and smog and plants than animals and they seem to somehow manage to go out everyday (me).

Capt. Obvious

(9,002 posts)
93. Your unsourced anecdote aside about allergy rates
Tue Aug 6, 2013, 08:09 AM
Aug 2013

Again, fuck you people that are allergic to dogs - Fawke Em puts up with perfumes people wear so you can suck it up.

 

kestrel91316

(51,666 posts)
13. If it's someplace that serves food, the dog's behavior has nothing to do with it.
Mon Aug 5, 2013, 12:57 PM
Aug 2013

It's a matter of PUBLIC HEALTH.

uppityperson

(115,677 posts)
40. How? They walked in off the same street I did. They may shed on the floor but so do I.
Mon Aug 5, 2013, 05:56 PM
Aug 2013

What dontheybdo, how are they a matter of public health? Trying to understand the why and how, thanks

 

kestrel91316

(51,666 posts)
45. Well, you asked the right person that question, lol. I have a special interest in
Mon Aug 5, 2013, 06:14 PM
Aug 2013

veterinary public health and zoonotic diseases.

Here's a place to start: http://www.cdc.gov/Features/HealthyPets/

Good basic video: http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/745993

Salmonella is probably the biggest concern with pets in food service establishments, but GI parasites can also be a problem. Salmonella can be fatal and can be acquired from pets easily, contrary to what some people would like you to believe.

Zoonotic diseases are a topic that I could cover all day every day for a month and barely make a dent in the subject.

uppityperson

(115,677 posts)
58. So HOW are they infecting people? HOW can I acquire salmonella from someone's dog in a
Mon Aug 5, 2013, 08:28 PM
Aug 2013

restaurant? If a dog does not defecate with me coming in contact with feces, how will I get a parasite from it laying on the floor at the next table?

If I do not pet a dog, how will it infect me?

Personally I'm more concerned about the sneezing person at the next table than the dog.

 

kestrel91316

(51,666 posts)
59. Fomites, my dear. Hands and other objects. The dog owner holding their darling gets some
Mon Aug 5, 2013, 08:58 PM
Aug 2013

cooties on their hand and then starts handling the produce or picking up packages of meat, and before you know it, some poor unsuspecting soul has picked up Salmonella or whatever.

These laws exist to minimize risk and to protect the weakest among us. YOU might never get sick, but what about the woman on chemo for cancer, or the transplant patient on immunosuppressive drugs, or the infant with an immature immune system who touches everything and then crams both hands in his mouth?

These are very real risks, and the pet owners have no valid need to bring pets into food service establishments.

Fawke Em

(11,366 posts)
63. And they don't do that at home?
Mon Aug 5, 2013, 09:39 PM
Aug 2013

Hell, I pet my dogs before I leave the house. Technically, I can pet my dogs, go down the street, literally a block, and handle food.

That's why people should cook their food correctly and wash produce.

FWIW, I actually wasn't speaking of bringing dogs into restaurants, but on their beer garden porches or to the liquor store or to hardware store... no problem.

 

kestrel91316

(51,666 posts)
65. Well if you think the laws against animals in food service establishments
Mon Aug 5, 2013, 11:32 PM
Aug 2013

are unfair, why don't you launch a campaign to change them??

(Good luck with that - the public health folks will make mincemeat out of you, lol)

Fawke Em

(11,366 posts)
68. And copy editors would make mincemeat out of you.
Tue Aug 6, 2013, 12:09 AM
Aug 2013

I said, "FWIW, I actually wasn't speaking of bringing dogs into restaurants, but on their beer garden porches or to the liquor store or to hardware store... no problem."

Which, means, that I don't necessarily believe that all dogs belong in all restaurants - just to some of their outdoor seating... and to other places that have nothing to do with food.

Good luck with your reading comprehension.

BTW, I usually support you as a veterinarian. I adopt dogs and have a minimum exception in my city because I can prove I'm not collecting and my pets have their shots and are all spayed and neutered, but you were being a bit obtuse in this thread.

 

kestrel91316

(51,666 posts)
74. There is nothing obtuse about my view that laws prohibiting pets in food service
Tue Aug 6, 2013, 12:26 AM
Aug 2013

establishments are good laws with a sound scientific basis.

I get tired of pet fanatics with no comprehension of basic principles of public health and zoonoses complaining about how unfair it is that they can't take Fluffy and Bowser into restaurants and grocery stores. I am not, BTW, saying you are one of those.

Fawke Em

(11,366 posts)
79. While I agree, overall, I still find animals less
Tue Aug 6, 2013, 12:55 AM
Aug 2013

dangerous than people about spreading disease.

Unless they bite, then it's a different ballgame.

As a rule, I find the company of my pets far better than the company of most of my neighbors. LOL.

BTW, my golden has a heart murmur, per the vet (not my friend, but a co-worker of hers), yet she has NO other symptoms. She pants when she's running or hot, but is fine. Never has a bluish tongue or gums. Never seems tired. I think I should make her an appointment with the vet who is my friend there. Ugh. I'm serious. This dog shows NO signs of a heart problem, what-s
o-ever.

customerserviceguy

(25,183 posts)
81. You're trying to use science
Tue Aug 6, 2013, 01:03 AM
Aug 2013

to fight emotion, and while I salute you, you're finding it doesn't always go a long ways here.

By the way, within an hour of NYC, there are few "laws", only things that people take as mere suggestions. Any doubt, drive on roads around here.

uppityperson

(115,677 posts)
64. What packages of meat or produce are restaurant patrons handling? "my dear"?As a food service patron
Mon Aug 5, 2013, 09:44 PM
Aug 2013

I've never gotten to pick up packages of meat or handle produce in a restaurant.

If you are talking about a grocery store, how do you know if I have just pet my dog, then come in and handle produce, picking up packages? Working with and having friends who are autoimmuned, I know they have to be careful which included proper handwashing no matter whether or not they've come into contact with a pet.

Yes, pets can and do carry things that can be bad, but so do people.

And please, hold the "my dear" condescension as it doesn't help anything.

 

kestrel91316

(51,666 posts)
66. I wasn't being condescending. I was trying to explain why animals and
Mon Aug 5, 2013, 11:35 PM
Aug 2013

food service establishments don't work. You took SOMETHING all wrong and are now making me out to be the bad guy. Good lord.

If you believe these laws are wrong and bad, by all means work to repeal them. But you'll have to do battle against public health professionals, and like I told the other poster, they WILL make mincemeat out of you.

uppityperson

(115,677 posts)
70. In what food service establishments do the customers handle packages of meat or produce?
Tue Aug 6, 2013, 12:15 AM
Aug 2013

I am a health care professional and would like to know in what restaurant do customers handle packages of meat or produce?

Major Nikon

(36,817 posts)
77. When I lived in Europe it was quite common to see people bring dogs to restaurants
Tue Aug 6, 2013, 12:38 AM
Aug 2013

It isn't that big of a deal.

NightWatcher

(39,343 posts)
2. Yummy, dogs in the grocery store
Mon Aug 5, 2013, 12:33 PM
Aug 2013

I'm cool with them anywhere except where food is involved. My dog's well behaved but I don't about anyone else's dog.

 

cherokeeprogressive

(24,853 posts)
73. Saw a guy walking through the produce section of an upscale grocery store in Palm Springs with a
Tue Aug 6, 2013, 12:25 AM
Aug 2013

parrot on his shoulder. No one was really paying any attention to him until he turned his back, and everyone noticed the trail of bird shit all the way down the back of his shirt.

Someone complained rather loudly, and the manager escorted him out post haste.

Shrike47

(6,913 posts)
4. I've run into this locally. All it takes is a sense of total self-justification and narcissism.
Mon Aug 5, 2013, 12:36 PM
Aug 2013

Some people just think they're entitled.

 

MannyGoldstein

(34,589 posts)
5. Dogs on planes
Mon Aug 5, 2013, 12:37 PM
Aug 2013

I was on a six-hour flight last week with a litle yelping whining dog in my aisle in a bag. I was wondering how the little crazymaker got on the plane, perhaps it was a faux service dog. Sure didn't seem to have any discipline training.

Nevernose

(13,081 posts)
14. Many airlines let you take dogs now
Mon Aug 5, 2013, 12:57 PM
Aug 2013

Some for free, some with a surcharge. No special "service dog" tag required.

 

MannyGoldstein

(34,589 posts)
17. Ah geez.
Mon Aug 5, 2013, 01:03 PM
Aug 2013

They should mandate soundproof containers. 6 hours of yipping, yelping and whining, it was awful.

bluedigger

(17,085 posts)
48. I'm not sure how you'd do that - you know, if you want them to breath.
Mon Aug 5, 2013, 06:17 PM
Aug 2013

It's not like putting a goldfish in a ziplock.

Skittles

(153,101 posts)
80. a good dose of pet valium is an option too
Tue Aug 6, 2013, 12:59 AM
Aug 2013

I got some last time I moved and my cat slept through the horror

tabbycat31

(6,336 posts)
16. pets are allowed on planes
Mon Aug 5, 2013, 01:03 PM
Aug 2013

In 1993, I traveled by plane with a kitten (who lived to be almost 18) and because of the departure city and time of year (Dallas, August), it was not safe for him to go in cargo.

He was in a carrier made to fit under an airline seat. His ticket cost $50. He also had to have a certificate of health signed by a vet before he was allowed to fly.

pnwmom

(108,950 posts)
24. Dogs and cats are allowed in carriers if they're small enough to fit under the seat.
Mon Aug 5, 2013, 03:37 PM
Aug 2013

I've never taken one, but I'd never put one in baggage either. Dogs die in baggage every year.

 

KamaAina

(78,249 posts)
6. Real service dogs do not require any form of ID
Mon Aug 5, 2013, 12:39 PM
Aug 2013

Under the ADA, if someone has a dog, you are allowed to ask two questions:

1) "Is that a service dog?"

2) "What does s/he do for you?"

That's it. Not "Do you have a disability?" or "Where are the dog's papers?"

Gormy Cuss

(30,884 posts)
29. Yup.
Mon Aug 5, 2013, 03:56 PM
Aug 2013

And there will always be a few entitled jerks who claim it's a service animal when it isn't just like there are jerks who "borrow" the disabled parking placard so that they can park in the blue zone.

There's no easy way to remedy either situation without placing excess burden on those using this provisions legitimately.

KurtNYC

(14,549 posts)
31. Yes! The dog in the article has a "therapy dog" patch which is meaningless in terms of where it can
Mon Aug 5, 2013, 04:25 PM
Aug 2013

go.

This is an old issue in NYC and years ago the City started issuing tags for actual service dogs because so many people were abusing the laws. The issue is especially acute in housing because landlords can demand that dogs not on the lease be banned.

Only a person with an ADA condition is allowed to bring a service dog into food service establishments and other places where dogs would be denied entry.

I love my dogs and I take them to some places which permit dogs but I am always mindful that there are people who may be afraid of dogs, allergic to dogs, or religiously forbidden to touch dogs. I love my dogs but I don't expect everyone else to.



They love going to the Post Office.

Fawke Em

(11,366 posts)
69. I. Feel. The. Urgent. Need. To. Throw. A. Ball.
Tue Aug 6, 2013, 12:13 AM
Aug 2013

I love sporting dogs.

When can I pet those babies?

 

Lee-Lee

(6,324 posts)
9. These people cause problems
Mon Aug 5, 2013, 12:46 PM
Aug 2013

For people with real service dogs. I see it all the time, people want to take their dogs around so they exploit the laws put in place to aid people with legitimate needs.

There needs to be one single consistent standard ad certifying authority for what is a service dog. No certification, no legal requirement to accommodate it.

KurtNYC

(14,549 posts)
32. It is a felony to impersonate an ADA qualified person
Mon Aug 5, 2013, 04:35 PM
Aug 2013

and only ADA people can qualify a dog for "Service Dog" status. Even a person walking a service dog for an ADA person cannot legally take that dog into places where dogs are banned. That is Federal law.

The quoted article is from the NY Post and I see the story also ran on Fox affliates (same Murdoch empire). It is sensationalistic and not written to inform readers about the law or distinctions between "therapy dog" and "service dog."

In NYC there is a government issued tag for qualified service dogs to help business owners sort out the real ones from the fakes. I expect more cities will start to issue certifications due to the fakes.

This is a tough environment for dogs, especially service dogs, and the fakers (and Fox News /NY Post) aren't helping the matter.

Whiskeytide

(4,459 posts)
57. Isn't impersonating a government official a crime?
Mon Aug 5, 2013, 06:54 PM
Aug 2013

It would seem the people making and selling the fake tags could be easily found (this idiot found them, after all) and prosecuted. Wouldn't that solve the problem?

cbayer

(146,218 posts)
11. I just had visitors in from San Francisco and they had the same complaint.
Mon Aug 5, 2013, 12:54 PM
Aug 2013

They told stories of dogs in restaurants taking food off tables, dogs in grocery stores tearing into boxes of food and just dogs, dogs everywhere with very flimsy criteria for "service".

Fawke Em

(11,366 posts)
71. That's a management problem.
Tue Aug 6, 2013, 12:15 AM
Aug 2013

Either by the dog owner or the restaurant management.

I'd never let my dog(s) run around, grabbing food off my own table, much less anyone else's!

Luminous Animal

(27,310 posts)
89. It is a lie. #1, I've eaten in restaurants all over this city for 27 years....
Tue Aug 6, 2013, 03:25 AM
Aug 2013

the only dogs inside any of them have been well behaved service dogs. #2, No restaurant owner in this city would allow any dog to run rampant in their restaurant. Not one.

cbayer

(146,218 posts)
97. Are you saying that my friends just made it up?
Tue Aug 6, 2013, 12:06 PM
Aug 2013

Perhaps they frequent different neighborhoods than you?

Do you travel around town with an animal?

Liberal In Texas

(13,519 posts)
15. There are always people around who abuse the system.
Mon Aug 5, 2013, 12:59 PM
Aug 2013

It's the number one reason why the "free market" will never work.

KurtNYC

(14,549 posts)
34. No. At $20,000+ each they are not a scam.
Mon Aug 5, 2013, 04:49 PM
Aug 2013

Many people who are physically disabled have been given some of their freedom and independence back by well trained service dogs. Paraplegic and quadraplegic people have a right to the fullest life they are capable of and a true service (or "assistance&quot dog can be key to that.

At ADI they train dogs to perform over 90 verbal commands and 120 hand signals. For those without the use of their own legs and/ or arms or eyes, service dogs are certainly not a scam

Here is a sample of what they do for those who benefit from them:



Please don't let those who abuse the law form the basis of your opinion on this matter.
 

msanthrope

(37,549 posts)
60. I find your opinion ignorant and uninformed. My autistic daughter's service
Mon Aug 5, 2013, 09:04 PM
Aug 2013

dog is no scam. You should meet some disabled people and their service dogs, and learn something.

AZ Progressive

(3,411 posts)
19. This is Very American: jackasses that abuse the system and freedom to ruin it for others
Mon Aug 5, 2013, 01:15 PM
Aug 2013

Last edited Mon Aug 5, 2013, 02:23 PM - Edit history (2)

And people wonder why we need so many regulations, blame the small but significant population of opportunistic unethical americans, not the government.

JustABozoOnThisBus

(23,314 posts)
92. Jackass? When I take my faux-service dog from my car ...
Tue Aug 6, 2013, 06:09 AM
Aug 2013

... with the faux handicap tag so I can get a better parking spot than you?

What, me Jackass?

newfie11

(8,159 posts)
20. When we were eating in a restaurant in a castle in Germany
Mon Aug 5, 2013, 02:59 PM
Aug 2013

A man came walking by with is dog. I ask my German friends about it. They were stunned that anyone could not bring their dog with them in a business in America. What is different in Europe as opposed to Ameria? I know some dog owners in America are not responsible and that gives all if us a bad name.
I have on occasion taken my dogs into cafes while at dog shows.
These were on the show grounds.
Would I take them into a regular restaurant in America lol. Ever seen a Newfoundland drool? No I would not.

bluedigger

(17,085 posts)
52. I was pretty surprised to see dogs in McDonald's in Germany.
Mon Aug 5, 2013, 06:21 PM
Aug 2013

The difference over there is that people are held accountable for their pet's behavior. Very accountable. Also, McDonald's serves beer.

newfie11

(8,159 posts)
55. Damn didn't know they had beer
Mon Aug 5, 2013, 06:42 PM
Aug 2013

Yes you are right in that people do take care of their animals and are responsible owners.
Loved Germany and would love to live there but my tongue will never be able to speak German.

Raine1967

(11,589 posts)
21. I;m actually surprised that people take offense to dogs.
Mon Aug 5, 2013, 03:12 PM
Aug 2013

The VA itself considers service dogs beneficial.

oh, and F*ck the NY Post. They are shit stirrers of the penultimate kind.

Kids have been known to act horribly in stores and restaurants. More so than most dogs I have seen, especially service dogs. I had the chance to watch a child throw up at a restaurant where I was eating. The mother was mortified. She told the server -- he must have a stomach virus, as she apologized.

Service dogs are fine with me.

REP

(21,691 posts)
22. Not everyone enjoys the aroma of dog whilst trying to eat
Mon Aug 5, 2013, 03:26 PM
Aug 2013

Dogs are nice enough creatures, but unfortunately most of them have the most repulsive smell. I don't wont to be around it while trying to eat (and yes, that goes for loaded diapers as well).

pnwmom

(108,950 posts)
26. You saw a child throw up? Guess what? Children are human beings. All human beings can throw up. n/t
Mon Aug 5, 2013, 03:41 PM
Aug 2013

Raine1967

(11,589 posts)
35. I know they are human beings. I wasn't disparaging children.
Mon Aug 5, 2013, 04:56 PM
Aug 2013

My point is that I find it strange that people are against service dogs in public. They are trained to behave -- for the most part.

Children are raised to behave. They are raised to be good adults.

Service Dogs serve a purpose for people who need them.

Raine1967

(11,589 posts)
49. My bigger issue is with the OP and
Mon Aug 5, 2013, 06:18 PM
Aug 2013

and the NY Post.

And -- to be really honest --- the OP is using the NY Post as a reason to dismiss therapy dogs. I'd really like to sea a disclaimer of an explanation about this.

Murdoch owns the New York Post. MURDOCH! Are we to assume that the NY post is innocent with this piece?

frylock

(34,825 posts)
39. these aren't service dogs, and based on the attitude of the asshole owner cited in the story..
Mon Aug 5, 2013, 05:43 PM
Aug 2013

I can imagine the dog isn't at all well behaved.

Raine1967

(11,589 posts)
43. It's an article from the New York Post.
Mon Aug 5, 2013, 06:11 PM
Aug 2013

Seriously, as I said above, the NYP is nothing more that a shit stirring publication. You know what I am talking about, frylock -- you have been here at DU long enough to know this. The article is bullshit. NYP is bullshit and happens to be a RW rag.

The NYP shouldn't be in a place to decide what is or is not a service dog.

frylock

(34,825 posts)
46. so in your estimation, that decision should be left to the owner of the dog?
Mon Aug 5, 2013, 06:16 PM
Aug 2013

the lazy asshole in the article states they're tired of tying their dog up outside of the store. if you can verify that the person cited didn't say that, or does not exist and is a fake persona made up by the NYP i'll retract my statement, but the person cited comes across as some entitled asshole.

Raine1967

(11,589 posts)
54. Read the article again.
Mon Aug 5, 2013, 06:39 PM
Aug 2013

It was the NYP that deemed the dog: unofficial “therapy dog” --- The article is pure un-adulterated bullshit. It has no sources. Are you really asking me to prove a negative? Are you really defending the NYP?

I'm not going to defend a straw man. I know what I am saying. Read the article again

It's a POS NYP article with NOTHING to back it up.
My estimation is completely different than you have assumed.



SoCalDem

(103,856 posts)
23. Some people will bend the rules to the nth degree
Mon Aug 5, 2013, 03:30 PM
Aug 2013

like the ones who use Grandma's car (with the handicap sticker/plate/placard) so THEY can park right in front..

panader0

(25,816 posts)
25. How about the people who print up those handicapped tags for their truck mirror
Mon Aug 5, 2013, 03:39 PM
Aug 2013

so they can park in front. I have seen so many of those who have no visible handicap.

CountAllVotes

(20,863 posts)
82. thanks for mentioning that
Tue Aug 6, 2013, 01:03 AM
Aug 2013

Oh baby you look so good.

Yeah right.

Some people out there have not a clue as to what it is to have a bonafide disability that is not visible *yet*. Hopefully, it will never be visible is what I say.

Just because you aren't in a wheelchair drooling all over yourself doesn't mean that you don't have the need for a service dog.

This I know already. Been trying to obtain one for almost 10 years now with no luck it sight.

So much for having an "ADA disability". It sucks and I have yet to find one advantage out there to having a bonafide ADA disability.

 

Egalitarian Thug

(12,448 posts)
27. They're noisy, smelly, and filthy
Mon Aug 5, 2013, 03:44 PM
Aug 2013

but we are forced to put up with children practically everywhere.

I can't wait for the therapy dog wars...

 

ann---

(1,933 posts)
28. Dogs accompany their owners
Mon Aug 5, 2013, 03:48 PM
Aug 2013

almost everywhere in France - even restaurants. I don't know why it cannot be allowed here.

ForgoTheConsequence

(4,867 posts)
36. Because this isn't France.
Mon Aug 5, 2013, 05:24 PM
Aug 2013

I'm allergic to long haired dogs, so are others. That's why its not allowed. Want to eat with your dog? Fine. Set it a place at your table, in your house.

newfie11

(8,159 posts)
50. Do you have to touch the dogs for a reaction?
Mon Aug 5, 2013, 06:20 PM
Aug 2013

my friend has no lower body control fue to trama and has a Rottie service dog. If he drops something she picks it up as he cannot.
She is at the groomer several times a month and I have never smelled anything.

Fawke Em

(11,366 posts)
78. One of the hardest things I have to control is to NOT pet
Tue Aug 6, 2013, 12:41 AM
Aug 2013

a service dog.

Same for my kids.

We see a service dog in the store and we all want to go pet. But, I always ask, if I ask. Normally, I just tell the kids to let the dog do its job and they argue that dogs LIKE to be petted, please ask. LOL. Depends on the situation and the dog. If the dog is wagging it's tail and reacting to my household of animal lovers, I'll ask. If the dog is busy, I let the kids know it's working and tell them to let it be as they walk by, eyes on a missed petting opportunity.

Fawke Em

(11,366 posts)
72. I'm allergic to some perfumes, all pork and some plants.
Tue Aug 6, 2013, 12:20 AM
Aug 2013

Don't see you banning them from the public.

Want to use YOUR soap or perfume, eat your pollen or your bacon? Fine. Set a place at your table, in your house.

Do you see how stupid you sound to those of us with "acceptable" allergies?

 

Taitertots

(7,745 posts)
53. Because other people don't want your dog barking and shitting while they eat
Mon Aug 5, 2013, 06:27 PM
Aug 2013

Oh, the French also ban burkas, do you think we should do that too?

Of course not, because "the French do it" is a foolish reason to support a policy.

Tien1985

(920 posts)
30. I know someone
Mon Aug 5, 2013, 04:17 PM
Aug 2013

(Aquaintace only) who does this. I think abusing the law only hurts people who really need it.

In the other hand, I would be up for changing the law. Animals in public don't bother me (yes I'm allergic, I can deal). When I was visiting my brother in Holland it was one of the things that I found harmless if not beneficial.

Fawke Em

(11,366 posts)
75. THANK YOU.
Tue Aug 6, 2013, 12:31 AM
Aug 2013

Sorry to shout, but I have allergies to other things that are public, but I can deal! I drink a lot of water and use allergy medication when necessary. I DEAL.

I think, for MOST people, having a pet around makes the place merrier.

My grandmother and mother worked at nursing homes for years. I worked, briefly, in marketing for an assisted living home. Pet were allowed and were FAR more of a pick-me-up than the crap-load of drugs administered. I used to bring my cocker spaniel in sometimes and the old ladies (and, lets face it, most old-folks' homes are mostly old ladies) loved holding him and petting his curls. He loved it, too.

Shouldn't we be far more worried that the NSA is flagging us a dog terrorists, now?

 

otohara

(24,135 posts)
37. Rich Dicks
Mon Aug 5, 2013, 05:38 PM
Aug 2013

abuse the system all the time.
I can totally see Paris Hilton doing this and feeling no remorse.

 

HolyMoley

(240 posts)
67. Poor, poor David.
Tue Aug 6, 2013, 12:03 AM
Aug 2013

My heart goes out to him and his furry little fashion accessory.

I never realized until now how the cruel hard ships and cold-hearted life in the Big Apple could be.

 

Politicalboi

(15,189 posts)
86. It's not just a health issue
Tue Aug 6, 2013, 03:17 AM
Aug 2013

People can trip over dogs, dogs get in fights, and if some people let their dogs roam like their children then that becomes a problem. Keep your dogs at home. They should have a better way to enforce therapy dog licenses. And those that pretend should get fined as those who park in a handicapped spot. It's making a mockery out of an important service for some.

 

LittleBlue

(10,362 posts)
88. Dogs stink
Tue Aug 6, 2013, 03:24 AM
Aug 2013

They also shed, poop, bark and lick others.

There are parks and sidewalks for dogs. And of course your private residence. Don't disturb others who may have allergies or just don't want to be licked.

nolabels

(13,133 posts)
90. They only lick if they like you
Tue Aug 6, 2013, 06:03 AM
Aug 2013

Some people even pick up or give their bacteria strains to each other by being licked by them (mostly it won't hurt you).

Licks Do Not Raise Risk of Getting Germs From Dogs, Study Finds
http://newswatch.nationalgeographic.com/2009/01/27/dog_germs/

MineralMan

(146,241 posts)
95. Many restaurants with outside patio dining welcome
Tue Aug 6, 2013, 09:05 AM
Aug 2013

dogs. My wife and I occasionally take Dude to one of those. He sits patiently next to one of the chairs we are sitting in, and gladly accepts pats on the head by children and adults who want to bestow them.

I wouldn't take the dog inside of any business establishment, though, unless there was a sign saying "Pets Welcome." And we never take the dog into any of those chain pet stores any longer. We've had too many instances of some strange dog there trying to pick a fight.

On the other hand, if I do see a dog accompanying someone in a business, I simply assume that it is a therapy dog of some kind and just let it be. I can't see the point of ever questioning anyone about something like that.

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