What is WRONG with some people?

[Archae]

Fourteen year old boy, the guy is a THUG.

He already has been arrested at least once before for trying to kill someone else.

Kid takes a shot at the cops, after trying to kill someone else with a 9mm.
Cops shoot and kill the thug.
(Really, what choice did they have?)

Thug's aunt calls the thug a "baby."

A baby doesn't shoot at cops, stupid!

“He was a beautiful, loving boy. He was a baby,” said a woman who identified herself as Douse’s aunt. She rejected the police version of the killing and did not believe her nephew even had a gun.

http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2013/08/04/man-dead-following-bronx-police-involved-shooting/

[geek tragedy]

1. Ugh, please delete.

You're wondering why the kid's aunt would call him a baby?

Also, 'thug' in this context is an icky word to use due to the racial connotation.

The system failed everyone by not locking this one up, and no one's faulting police for shooting him here.

[Archae]

4. A thug is a thug.

Zimmermann is a thug.

A white kid shooting at cops is a thug.

A black kid is too.

It makes *NO* difference what the guy looks like, wears, whatever.

If he or she shoots at a cop, the cops WILL shoot back.

[geek tragedy]

6. The kid is dead, won't be the first, won't be the last

kid from a tough background who gets himself killed by really awful choices.

Not sure what the point of this post is. Family members love each other even when they do terrible things.

[Iggo]

25. The point is black kids are thugs and undeserving of love from their relatives.

Or something.

[GiaGiovanni]

8. A parent is a parent

Offspring, no matter how old, are always their "babies."

[Archae]

10. Except this is an aunt.

Woman probably hasn't seen the guy in 10 years.
(I have aunts I haven't seen for longer.)

The woman (who was nowhere NEAR the incident, BTW,) claims all the cops are lying, guy didn't have a gun.

[GiaGiovanni]

11. So, an aunt is an aunt.

And you don't know how close she was to this kid. She might have been helping to raise him.

[Posteritatis]

14. So? (nt)

[GiaGiovanni]

17. So..??

That's why she might refer to her nephew as a baby?

[BainsBane]

41. Why do you believe the police version of events?

It's not like there haven't been numerous instances of police lying in these situations.

[allin99]

2. Families go into deep denial about this stuff...

spouses of rapists and murders who are convinced that their spouses didn't do it. It's just a brain shut down of some kind.

[Fumesucker]

3. They love their family?

It's a character flaw, true.

[ileus]

5. Stop shooting our babies...

[Ohio Joe]

7. The article says they don't know what happened yet...

But you have to label the kid a thug... That is fucked up.

[Archae]

9. Three points...

1. Guy already has a record for trying to kill with a gun.

2. Article shows photo of the guy's gun he was using in this incident.
Gun has been fired.

3. Guy refused to put gun down, and shot at cops.

"Don't know what happened?"
It OBVIOUS what happened.

[Ohio Joe]

12. ahhh...

You have enough of the story to be ok with killing a 14 year old... I only have enough to think it's fucked up.

[GiaGiovanni]

15. We know for sure that he shot at the cops?

Or is that just what they're saying?

And did you see this story?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=3405392

[bunnies]

13. What word would you use to describe a person who

runs down the road shooting at people?

[Archae]

16. A "baby," apparently.

[Ohio Joe]

19. 'runs' or 'is being chased'

Article says chased.

[bunnies]

20. Wrong.

The kid he was shooting AT was the one being chased. If you watch the surveillance vid you can see the start of the whole thing. The guy is just standing on the corner and the shooter pulls out a gun and starts firing. The guy runs away from the shooter and the shooter takes off after him. Shooting.

[Ohio Joe]

21. Article says chased

I can't see the video.

[bunnies]

23. Youre reading it wrong. I'll spell it out.

Police said the officers saw a male being chased by a suspect, who was carrying a 9mm semiautomatic handgun, and who then tried to shoot at the other male. Police have released surveillance video of that incident.

*the "suspect" is the 14 year old shooter

and

As CBS 2’s Dana Tyler reported, Kelly a news conference late Sunday afternoon offered his condolences to Dose’s mother, Shanise Farar. He added that police do not know why he was chasing the would-be victim and firing in the street.

“We don’t know why he was shooting,” Kelly said. “Shaaliver lives 20 blocks — no, more than that, 30 blocks – away.”

*"he" is the 14 year old shooter

[Ohio Joe]

24. As long as we have another dead 'thug'

YAY for dead kids!

[pintobean]

26. Should police have waited until

the shooter created some more dead kids?

[Ohio Joe]

27. No... Just kill 'em all - nt

[bunnies]

28. Yeah. Youre right.

The cops should have just stood by and done nothing while the little angel ran down the street shooting at people. Gimme a friggin break.

[Ohio Joe]

29. Black... Has a record... DEATH!

Who needs the whole story, just as long as we kill. Good plan

[bunnies]

31. Your reading comprehension skills suck.

Heres a tip: When your running down the street firing a gun at another person and the police tell you to drop the weapon you fucking drop the weapon. ANYBODY in that situation would get shot and ANYBODY with half a brain knows that.

The cops had no way of knowing he had a record because he wasn't identified. Do you even care about the OTHER young black man he was trying to kill?

[Ohio Joe]

32. ok... i'll believe killing is always fine...

Even when it's admitted not all the facts are in... YAY for dead kids!

[bunnies]

34. Theres a damn video.

But hey, keep making excuses for a would-be murderer. Good job.

[Ohio Joe]

39. Yeah.. Lets kill more...

Should we start with the rest of the 14 year olds with a record in NY? They are all just 'thugs' anyway... Sound good?

[bunnies]

42. Your arms must be incredibly long to reach that far.

Your derp is showing.

[Ohio Joe]

43. I prefer knowing all the facts before I approve of killing 14 year olds

I guess some are good with it as long as it's a 'thug'.

[bunnies]

45. The pertinent facts are in.

You just refuse to see them. By the way... nice post on the "fucking crazy assed people" shooting in your neighborhood. I especially like this part:

I don't know what else to add to that... I think I'm going to take a small hiatus, I really just don't want to look at the fools posting who think their right to kill out weighs people right to live and I certainly don't feel like arguing with their stupid.

My, my. How quickly your views have changed.

[Ohio Joe]

49. No change

I never needed to sound racist or call for more death.

[bunnies]

50. Youre calling me a racist now?

Arent you cute. Bless your heart.

[Ohio Joe]

53. I have no idea if you are racist or not

I think only refering to black kids as 'thug' is racist.

[bunnies]

54. Is that because only black kids are thugs in your mind?

Hmmm. Thats telling.

Oh and by the way, Im not the using that word. You are.

[Ohio Joe]

56. The op decided to use the term...

You just happen to agree it is good a black kid is dead before the facts are all in.

[bunnies]

58. And because you think all thugs are black...

the term "thug" is racist. Got it. And please provide a link to where I said "its good a black kid is dead". You cant. Facts are your friends, Joe. I hope you learn to recognize them one day.

[Ohio Joe]

62. heh, 'facts'... I thought you did not need them

Or is that only with dead kids? You know... What you are defending here.

[bunnies]

63. Im embarrassed for you.

We're done here.

[Ohio Joe]

66. That is ok...

I am embarrassed for you as well.

[pintobean]

36. Not to mention the innocent bystanders

who were in danger.

[bunnies]

40. No kidding!

But wait! We mustn't pass judgement yet. Im sure they'll be some mitigating circumstance that will make what the little angel did ok. All the little angel had to do was drop the damn gun and this story would have ended differently. How or why anyone would defend what this kid did is beyond me. He could have killed any number of people that night.

[pintobean]

44. Well, some people's reactions might differ

based on how close to home the shooting is taking place.
"Fucking crazy ass people"
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1002979928

[bunnies]

46. You rock.

Great catch.

[Ohio Joe]

47. Yes... Condeming mass murder is the same...

As not passing judgement on a dead 'thug' while the facts are still out That people were murdered by a nut was beyond question... And somehow I managed to express myself without sounding racist or calling for more death.

[pintobean]

57. My point

You showed concern for the innocent people at the theater. In this case, you don't show any concern for the guy being shot at, the other people on the street, or people in nearby homes. You seem to think the cops should have just let him continue on his shooting rampage.

Is it racist to be concerned about the safety of the innocent people in that neighborhood?

[Ohio Joe]

60. Without all the facts I am concerned with the dead

Not cheering that he is dead is not being unconcerned about what might have been.

[Tien1985]

18. I don't know much about

This story in particular, and I'm certainly not defending going around shooting at people (cops obviously included).

But, it's his Aunt. Sure that's a whole lot of denial. I like to think that I wouldn't go over the deep end in denial but I would be heartbroken if this was my niece or nephew. They are babies--and to this Uncle, they will always be my babies, to some extent. I love them unconditionally.

You can't always stop loving someone because they've done something terrible.

[KentuckyWoman]

22. Archae, I am close to 60 yrs old and still my Mother's baby

The kid's aunt is crying for that sweet little boy she loves. Whether she lost him when he went into the thug life or lost him to the cops is not much different to her right now.

[La Lioness Priyanka]

30. does calling a 14 year old a thug repeatedly make you feel tougher?

i am not saying the cops were wrong to shoot, maybe they were perfectly justified but calling a 14 year old a thug repeatedly makes you seem like an immature internet bully

[Archae]

33. Let's see, tried killing another person, was shooting at someone, and shot at cops.

But, I guess that isn't a thug.

[Rex]

35. I dunno, I just read about some guy the blew up his dog.

Some really disturbed people out there.

[Archae]

37. No doubt about that.

Sometimes the really disturbed people are celebrated.

[Rex]

38. Yeah, Zimmerman comes to mind.

nt.

[Butterbean]

48. I try to remember this in my quest to be a more forgiving person

Every criminal was once someone's baby, and may still be someone's baby. Every criminal has a mother, and that criminal's mother, regardless of the parenting job she did, may love him or her very dearly. So yeah, the family can be in denial about the kid's crimes, but that child was also someone's baby.

A passage from the book A Tree Grows In Brooklyn is what originally started me thinking on this subject:

Francine stared at the old man....Dried spittle caked the corners of his mouth. He yawned. He had no teeth. She watched, fascinated and revolted, as he closed his mouth, drew his lips inward until there was no mouth, and made his chin come up to almost meet his nose....Her thoughts ran..."He was a baby once. He must have been sweet and clean and his mother kissed his little pink toes. Maybe when it thundered at night she came to his crib and fixed his blanket better and whispered that he mustn't be afraid, that mother was there. Then she picked him up and put her cheek on his head and said that he was her own sweet baby."

That particular passage struck something deep within me all those years ago, and has stayed with me. I think of it often, reminding myself that everybody everywhere was once an innocent baby, and is somebody's baby, and has somebody somewhere who loves them. Regardless of their crimes and transgressions.

[wercal]

55. Everybody may start out as a baby...but some turn into very evil beings

Sure, these teenagers running around with illegal guns under their shirts, and shooting at other human beings are somebody's baby.

But odds are that somebody didn't take parenting very seriously, and let their baby develop into a heartless, evil, narcissistic, greedy, lump of bone and flesh that has absolutely no feelings for the feelings or pain of others.

Its tragic...and I simultaneously feel pity for these babies, along with great distrust and fear. Its not their fault they were raised like an abandoned piece of livestock...but they are very, very dangerous now.

But I take great umbrage when the parent/aunt/relative of these babies cry their crocodile tears. If they actually cared one bit about their babies, they wouldn't let them run around and participate in the killing zones that our urban areas have become.

[Butterbean]

61. I agree about the part with the croc tears, yes.

I guess I'm just saying that this kid did have humanity in him, and I just am not yet willing to chalk him up as nothing more than a thug or lump of flesh just yet. It doesn't mean I think his actions were right, or that there is an excuse for them. It just means, I dunno, that I'm trying very very hard to become more forgiving of people as a whole, and this is part of that quest for me personally. I'm not trying to demean anyone's feelings regarding the matter, just trying to cast it in a different light I guess. I dunno. *shrug*

[wercal]

65. Sadly, I think he was already there

I get very, very cynical when I look at the pattern of crime in my city. Every time there is a particularly vicious crime, the story is the same - the perpetrator has been in and out of the prison system since his teen years, having been given multiple second chances in the form of parole or leniency....and they continue to prey on their fellow man with absolutely no compassion...until they commit the 'big' crime - the example I think of most is a guy who fits this profile, and raped an 85 year old woman in my town.

You say you want to be more forgiving.....doesn't a person have to show contrition and want forgiveness first. If the report on this story is true, I don't think this kid was in the mood to ask anybody for forgiveness. He got away with one shooting, because he couldn't be positively identified....so what did he do? Did he count his blessings and try to straighten out his life? No - he went out and shot at more people. Again its sad, but he was well on his way to destruction...and odds are that he would have hurt somebody severely along the way.

[darkangel218]

51. "babies" can kill too.

let the justice be served.

[noiretextatique]

52. excellent question

for you to ask yourself in the mirror.

[DevonRex]

59. Archae, what's wrong with you that you expect an aunt to call her

dead 14 y/o nephew a thug just after he was killed? Families don't do that. They love unconditionally.

[99Forever]

64. Mo gunz...

Mo gunz...Mo gunz...Mo gunz...


... maybe if we get enough, there won't be any thugs!

And everything will be Happy Happy Joy Joy.