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alp227

(32,019 posts)
Mon Aug 5, 2013, 04:35 PM Aug 2013

15 Years Later, Tawana Brawley Has Paid 1 Percent Of Penalty

by Mark Memmott
August 05, 2013 1:17 PM

It was 1987 when a black teenager, Tawana Brawley, said she had been raped and kidnapped by a group of white men in Dutchess County, N.Y.

Her story of being attacked, scrawled with racial slurs, smeared with feces and left beside a road wrapped in a plastic bag made front pages across the nation — especially after the Rev. Al Sharpton took up her case.

But, as the Associated Press reminds readers, "a special state grand jury later determined that Brawley had fabricated her claims, perhaps to avoid punishment for staying out late."

In 1998, Steven Pagones, who was the county prosecutor at the time, won a defamation suit against Sharpton, Brawley and Brawley's attorneys. They had accused Pagones of being among Brawley's attackers.

"Sharpton has since paid off his ($65,000) debt with money raised by his supporters," the Village Voice says. Brawley was ordered to pay $190,000.

It's been 15 years. With interest, the judgment against the now 40-year-old Brawley has grown to more than $430,000. Finally, the Poughkeepsie Journal reports, Pagones is receiving some of the money: $3,700, or about 1 percent of what he's now owed.

full: http://www.npr.org/blogs/thetwo-way/2013/08/05/209194252/15-years-later-tawana-brawley-has-paid-1-percent-of-penalty

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15 Years Later, Tawana Brawley Has Paid 1 Percent Of Penalty (Original Post) alp227 Aug 2013 OP
Excellent! It's about time - what she did was reprehensible. badtoworse Aug 2013 #1
She's not a 15 year old shithead any more Warpy Aug 2013 #2
She didn't do it willingly. Her wages are being garnished. nt msanthrope Aug 2013 #5
Seriously? Is that why her wages are being garnished to pay Pagones? badtoworse Aug 2013 #6
her wages are garnished Boom Sound 416 Aug 2013 #7
she was 15 when it happened. 16 when she was sued. 18 when the verdict came in & 25 HiPointDem Aug 2013 #9
She made false rape accusations and disappeared when her lies were exposed badtoworse Aug 2013 #11
she left new york in 1988, when she was 15. i really could care about her so-called 'personal HiPointDem Aug 2013 #12
Lack of personal integrity is one of the main reasons we need a justice system. badtoworse Aug 2013 #14
there have always been & will always be people whom others define as "lacking personal integrity". HiPointDem Aug 2013 #16
really ? blaming her for damage to race relations ? JI7 Aug 2013 #13
Actually, I think Sharpton, Maddox and Mason should wear most of the blame for that. badtoworse Aug 2013 #15
but they don't. all of these *adults* but one got less financial penalty than the 15 year old, HiPointDem Aug 2013 #17
So what's wrong with coming clean now that she's 41 years old? badtoworse Aug 2013 #18
I don't know the contents of her mind. But personally, I think there's something gruesome HiPointDem Aug 2013 #19
Pagones was falsely accused of raping a child and he's the bad guy? badtoworse Aug 2013 #22
She was *not* 25 when the suit was begun. She was 16. That the damages weren't assessed HiPointDem Aug 2013 #28
She should apologize for making it all up. tammywammy Aug 2013 #29
and i find his attempt to extort her 'confession' repugnant. either he was damaged or he was HiPointDem Aug 2013 #31
The court flound he was damaged. That is indisputable. badtoworse Aug 2013 #33
i'm not disputing it. HiPointDem Aug 2013 #34
The real problem here is that she was a pretty rotten kid who took no responsibility for her actions badtoworse Aug 2013 #36
What difference does that make? At 15, you know what's right and what's wrong... badtoworse Aug 2013 #32
She was 24 during this time. Go Vols Aug 2013 #20
she wasn't prosecuted for that rally. she was prosecuted when she was 16 for something she HiPointDem Aug 2013 #21
The court document I linked to doesn't Go Vols Aug 2013 #23
The fact remains that she owes nearly half a million dollars for something she did when she was HiPointDem Aug 2013 #25
Have ANY of the accusers "come to terms?" Archae Aug 2013 #3
Sharpton should apologize for introducing the world to the Man Relaxer ugg Heather MC Aug 2013 #4
Yes, that's what made me angry Boudica the Lyoness Aug 2013 #8
I remember being outraged at the idea of a young black girl being treated that way Heather MC Aug 2013 #10
Didn't Mike sweetapogee Aug 2013 #24
And yet... pipi_k Aug 2013 #26
You say you worry about nasty name calling demwing Aug 2013 #38
I'm so glad somebody is standing up for the interests of white men against women of color Recursion Aug 2013 #27
So, slander cases should be judged ..... oldhippie Aug 2013 #35
No, but you can find a one-off situation with just about any parameters Recursion Aug 2013 #37
You might have a point, but this is not the hill you want to defend it on. - nt badtoworse Aug 2013 #39
She wasn't prosecuted. lumberjack_jeff Aug 2013 #30
I'm glad hers is merely a statistical aberration rather than a general trend. LanternWaste Aug 2013 #40

Warpy

(111,254 posts)
2. She's not a 15 year old shithead any more
Mon Aug 5, 2013, 04:53 PM
Aug 2013

She grew up and apparently came to terms with what she did. Now that she is making an adequate salary, she is beginning to pay back.

I'm actually impressed by this. I hope she's managed to create a sane life for herself after all these years.

But yeah, when she was 15, she was horrible, a completely rotten kid.

 

badtoworse

(5,957 posts)
6. Seriously? Is that why her wages are being garnished to pay Pagones?
Mon Aug 5, 2013, 05:11 PM
Aug 2013

The New York Post found her in Virginia and publicized it. Pagones then filed for the garnishment. She didn't come to terms; she just got caught (finally).

 

HiPointDem

(20,729 posts)
9. she was 15 when it happened. 16 when she was sued. 18 when the verdict came in & 25
Mon Aug 5, 2013, 05:27 PM
Aug 2013

when the damages were assessed.

it's complete bullshit.

 

badtoworse

(5,957 posts)
11. She made false rape accusations and disappeared when her lies were exposed
Mon Aug 5, 2013, 06:01 PM
Aug 2013

She damaged reputations; made it more difficult for real rape victims to come forward and did great damage to race relations. If she had any personal integrity, she would have come forward on her own a long time ago. You think that's "complete bullshit"?

She deserved jail time.

 

HiPointDem

(20,729 posts)
12. she left new york in 1988, when she was 15. i really could care about her so-called 'personal
Mon Aug 5, 2013, 06:30 PM
Aug 2013

integrity,' i'm more interested in the integrity of the justice system.

which used not to assess *ridiculous* penalties on minors.

which used not to sue *minors* for defamation.

 

badtoworse

(5,957 posts)
14. Lack of personal integrity is one of the main reasons we need a justice system.
Mon Aug 5, 2013, 06:45 PM
Aug 2013

So Pagones should have no recourse because Brawley was 15 when she defamed him? We'll just have to disagree about whether 15 year olds get a pass when they hurt people and do the damage she did..

 

HiPointDem

(20,729 posts)
16. there have always been & will always be people whom others define as "lacking personal integrity".
Mon Aug 5, 2013, 06:52 PM
Aug 2013

that's a moral judgment. the law doesn't make moral judgments. it makes judgments about whether someone broke a law.

Yes, we'll have to disagree about whether children should be held to the same standards and assessed the same penalties as adults.

 

HiPointDem

(20,729 posts)
17. but they don't. all of these *adults* but one got less financial penalty than the 15 year old,
Mon Aug 5, 2013, 06:55 PM
Aug 2013

& at least two of them got their fines paid by someone else.

and you know none of it would have gone *anywhere* without the adults using the child for political purposes.

al sharpton still has a career and makes lots of money. he's supposedly a spokesman for the entire 'black community'.

brawley is an lpn who works in a nursing home & now will have her wages garnished *forever*. because there is no way in hell she can pay off half a million dollars.

also her credit is ruined so if she ever loses the job she's got -- well, good luck.

so far as i know, pagones continued to advance in his career and did quite well for himself. i seriously doubt he suffered $185K worth of damage, let alone half a mill.

 

badtoworse

(5,957 posts)
18. So what's wrong with coming clean now that she's 41 years old?
Mon Aug 5, 2013, 07:02 PM
Aug 2013

I believe Pagones would let her off the hook if she did that.

 

HiPointDem

(20,729 posts)
19. I don't know the contents of her mind. But personally, I think there's something gruesome
Tue Aug 6, 2013, 01:01 AM
Aug 2013

about Pagones' extorting her for a 'confession'.

 

badtoworse

(5,957 posts)
22. Pagones was falsely accused of raping a child and he's the bad guy?
Tue Aug 6, 2013, 09:19 AM
Aug 2013

She owes an apology to the public as well as to Pagones and if she doesn't see that, then she deserves to have her wages garnished for the rest of her life. When you do terrible things, you need to make them right - it's that simple.

I just read Post 20 - I had forgotten about that part. She was 25 and still insisted that her lies were the truth. She was lucky the court only awarded $180,000 when she failed to show up.

Looking at the whole history of this, I would say she was one rotten kid that didn't change as she got older. Just about everything she did was her own choice. It's hard to feel sorry for her.

 

HiPointDem

(20,729 posts)
28. She was *not* 25 when the suit was begun. She was 16. That the damages weren't assessed
Tue Aug 6, 2013, 12:15 PM
Aug 2013

until she was 25 frankly stinks to high heaven.

tammywammy

(26,582 posts)
29. She should apologize for making it all up.
Tue Aug 6, 2013, 12:20 PM
Aug 2013

He said he'd forgive the judgment if she just finally would admit that she made it up (which is VERY apparent if you read the grand jury's report). The amount has increase significantly due to interest accrued. She also failed to show up for any of the court proceedings regarding the defamation suit.


 

badtoworse

(5,957 posts)
36. The real problem here is that she was a pretty rotten kid who took no responsibility for her actions
Tue Aug 6, 2013, 12:40 PM
Aug 2013

Apparently, she never changed and for some reason, HiPointDem does not want to accept that.

 

badtoworse

(5,957 posts)
32. What difference does that make? At 15, you know what's right and what's wrong...
Tue Aug 6, 2013, 12:34 PM
Aug 2013

and under the law, I believe the onus was on her and her defense to establish why she shouldn't be held responsible for her torts. I have no problem with that.

You obviously disagree, so at what age do you think minors should be held liable in situations such as this?

Go Vols

(5,902 posts)
20. She was 24 during this time.
Tue Aug 6, 2013, 01:27 AM
Aug 2013
Shortly thereafter, Brawley appeared at a rally on December 2, 1997 in Brooklyn, New York, which was videotaped by Regional News Network and admitted in evidence as plaintiff’s exhibit 35. At that rally she caustically referred to plaintiff’s offer as a "bribe" and said she would not do anything to hurt her friend and attorney Mr. Maddox. She vocally maintained before a partisan audience that the things she said happened really did happen. The Court was appalled that Brawley would see fit to travel from the Washington, D.C. area to a rally in Brooklyn, but did not see fit to travel to Poughkeepsie to testify under oath before the jury.


http://www.nycourts.gov/press/old_keep/brawley.htm
 

HiPointDem

(20,729 posts)
21. she wasn't prosecuted for that rally. she was prosecuted when she was 16 for something she
Tue Aug 6, 2013, 01:44 AM
Aug 2013

did when she was 15.

i have been searching the internet for some footage of that rally to find out *exactly* what she said, & haven't been able to find any. if you can help with that...

Go Vols

(5,902 posts)
23. The court document I linked to doesn't
Tue Aug 6, 2013, 11:24 AM
Aug 2013

say she was prosecuted for the rally.It shows that at 24 she was still claiming the same thing she said at 15 and had opportunity to show up in court and try to minimize a judgement against her.She did not show.

I have yet to find a vid of her at the rally either.

 

HiPointDem

(20,729 posts)
25. The fact remains that she owes nearly half a million dollars for something she did when she was
Tue Aug 6, 2013, 12:13 PM
Aug 2013

15, a judgment from a case prosecuted when she was 16.

Archae

(46,326 posts)
3. Have ANY of the accusers "come to terms?"
Mon Aug 5, 2013, 04:55 PM
Aug 2013

I have never heard of any of them, including Sharpton, admitting they lied.

But, I guess IOIYAAL...

 

Heather MC

(8,084 posts)
4. Sharpton should apologize for introducing the world to the Man Relaxer ugg
Mon Aug 5, 2013, 05:07 PM
Aug 2013

Seriously, I remember getting angry about this I was around her age at the time, Then I remember getting furious that she lied. NEVER lie about rape. It kills the credibility of actual rape victims. because of women like her. We have a society that doubts or feels comfortable blaming the women for an actual rape.

 

Boudica the Lyoness

(2,899 posts)
8. Yes, that's what made me angry
Mon Aug 5, 2013, 05:23 PM
Aug 2013

She lied about rape. I was also stunned anyone could believe her bizarre story and rally behind her.

 

Heather MC

(8,084 posts)
10. I remember being outraged at the idea of a young black girl being treated that way
Mon Aug 5, 2013, 05:33 PM
Aug 2013

At the time I was a young black girl, and I had already experienced being molested. So I took particular interest in her case because I was wrestling with whether I should tell anyone what happened to me. I decided to keep it to myself. Not directly because of her but because of the conversations that came out after that. Both men and women around me associated her false claims with all women. It was just as bad when Mike Tyson was accused of rape. No one around me male or female believed her.

And they blamed the young woman for putting herself in that situation.

At least now people speak out about victim blaming.

pipi_k

(21,020 posts)
26. And yet...
Tue Aug 6, 2013, 12:13 PM
Aug 2013

Were that to happen today, I can honestly imagine 3/4 of DU would believe her story, no matter how bizarre it got.

And, worst of all...the believers would be screaming "RACIST!!!" at anyone who didn't believe.

I guess it wouldn't really disturb me that much that people would believe her lies. What really makes me sick is knowing that they would use their belief to justify calling other people some really nasty names.

 

demwing

(16,916 posts)
38. You say you worry about nasty name calling
Tue Aug 6, 2013, 12:43 PM
Aug 2013

yet with no supporting evidence, you just called 3/4 of DU liars.

Recursion

(56,582 posts)
27. I'm so glad somebody is standing up for the interests of white men against women of color
Tue Aug 6, 2013, 12:14 PM
Aug 2013

It's about time

 

oldhippie

(3,249 posts)
35. So, slander cases should be judged .....
Tue Aug 6, 2013, 12:40 PM
Aug 2013

.... on the basis of race? Really? Different justice for different races?

Recursion

(56,582 posts)
37. No, but you can find a one-off situation with just about any parameters
Tue Aug 6, 2013, 12:41 PM
Aug 2013

The oppression of white males through false rape accusations by women of color is so singular and rare that it gets a lot of ink, as opposed to the actual sexual violence perpetrated daily against women of color.

 

lumberjack_jeff

(33,224 posts)
30. She wasn't prosecuted.
Tue Aug 6, 2013, 12:21 PM
Aug 2013

The alternative to criminal prosecution in juvenile court for what she did (which is what should have happened) was civil judgment.

It would have been better for everyone had she been prosecuted, served her time for her crime(s) and then put it behind her.

Sharpton? Pay the man... but, like Vernon Mason, pay it with your own money.

 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
40. I'm glad hers is merely a statistical aberration rather than a general trend.
Tue Aug 6, 2013, 01:50 PM
Aug 2013

I'm glad hers is merely a statistical aberration rather than a general trend.

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