At this point, who's your preferred pres. nominee for '16?

[Ken Burch]

We seem to be talking about it already anyway...might as well get some sense of the general sentiment 'round here.

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	0 (0%)
	Hillary Clinton(explain, if willing)
	8 (13%)
	Elizabeth Warren(explain, if willing)
	32 (51%)
	Other(explain)
	8 (13%)
	no favorite
	15 (24%)
	1 DU member did not wish to select any of the options provided.
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[VanillaRhapsody]

1. Other....Martin O'Malley Gov. of Maryland.

[Ken Burch]

3. OK...what're his selling points?

Thanks for offering a different name, btw.

[VanillaRhapsody]

10. He called the Gov of Virginia "Gov Vaginal Probe" to his face???

[Ken Burch]

13. Like the sound of that. n/t.

[Tx4obama]

23. A link below to his Wikipedia BIO, and a link to his 'On the Issues' page...

Martin O'Malley: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martin_O%27Malley

And lots of info on the 'On the Issues' link regarding his record/quotes/VOTES, here: http://governor.ontheissues.org/Martin_O%60Malley.htm

[MrSlayer]

11. I'm with you.

He's impressive.

[Agschmid]

27. He is!

[femmocrat]

30. I like him too.

He is young and telegenic, but I couldn't tell you much about his positions. I did know that he was Mayor of Baltimore.

[Chan790]

54. I'm on the O'Malley bus too.

I've worked on every campaign he's run since I was a senior in college and he was running for Mayor. I think he's going to make a great President.

[kwassa]

80. I also think O'Malley is the next great Democratic candidate.

[JackRiddler]

81. Is this Tommy Carcetti?

Can't resist:

"One, you get the drop in crime," she tells him. "Two, you build something downtown. Three, you stay away from schools. And four, you keep your boyish good looks. You do all that, you might be running for governor in 2008 -- maybe take back that Statehouse for us."

&t=0

[roamer65]

86. I could get behind an O'Malley candidacy.

The guy strikes me as fairly genuine.

[librechik]

115. agree. Let's step out of the theater and into responsible governing by a liberal.

All three of our destined candidates are already branded tools of the silly political farce we are trapped in. (Sorry Ms Warren)

but we won't get that choice--we are owned by the farce and they will not allow any serious candidate who could make government work properly, only puppets. Tell me how to stop them with trillions at stake.

[SMC22307]

126. A ticket with some combination of O'Malley and Warren would be interesting...

[tularetom]

2. I'm kinda hoping for Ted Cruz myself

If the republicans are foolish enough to nominate that nut, it won't matter who the Democratic nominee is.

[Ken Burch]

7. I DID mean our nominee...but you make a good point.

Especially if we ended up with, say, a Cruz/Bachmann GOP ticket.

[Politicalboi]

34. What about the birthers?

Cruz was born in Canada. Granted his mother was a US citizen, but Obama was born on US soil. It's amazing they even have the balls to put this guy in the running. It's

[madokie]

4. Senator Warren

Hands down the best candidate and will be our next president if she so desires. IMO

[Tx4obama]

14. IMO, other than financial issues Warren does not have enough knowledge on other matters.

She lost my support when the tried to put blame on President Obama regarding judicial nominations - she should have ONLY called out the republicans since that is where the blame lies due to their obstruction.

I think she needs to stay in the U.S. Senate where she can be of good regarding the banks and financial issues and take time to learn more about 'other' things.

[Auntie Bush]

46. Mindreader! That's exactly how I feel.

We need Warren in the senate. We need Hillary in the Oval.

[sabrina 1]

83. Why should she 'stay in the Senate to learn more things'? Obama had very little experience

when he left the Senate in HIS first term without waiting to 'learn more things'. I fully supported him mainly because of his opposition to the Iraq war, because there no way my conscience would allow me to support ANYONE who supported or still does, that MASSIVE crime against humanity.

I hope she runs and I hope she wins, but I am now older and wiser than in 2008 so I will want to know who she intends to appoint to her Cabinet, because when I support Democrats I do not mean I secretly support Republicans, just so long as sneak back into positions of power in a Democratic Cabinet.

And I will watch how she acts regarding the issues for the next few years to make sure she doesn't say one thing, they vote for another, BIG example, the disgraceful Fisa Bill Amendment.

Live and learn and we have. Watch what they do, not what they say.

So far, so good, she has been consistent in her views and fearless in stating them rather than being 'careful'. But I do want to know more about her positions on other issues. We have been very disappointed in the recent past, I don't want that to happen again.

[Tx4obama]

92. Obama did NOT have 'very little experience'

Obama was a state senator for EIGHT YEARS before going to the U.S. Senate for a hair under four years.

[sabrina 1]

94. State Senator is a long, long way from the White House.

And provides little if any experience for the job of President.

By that standard, Elizabeth Warren also has had lots of experience. She certainly hasn't been sitting at home twiddling her thumbs.

However, I am FOR every citizen, experience or not, having the right to run for any office and letting the PEOPLE, not the current system where Corps pay billions to choose the candidates for us, decide.

[Tx4obama]

95. Apparently you don't know anything Obama regarding his work as state senator

and the experience he gained regarding legislation, working on committees, forging relationships, etc.

To say that eight years in a state senate doesn't count is ridiculous.

[Ilsa]

5. Is Howard Dean interested?

I'd like Bernie Sanders to lead the Executive office.

[Agschmid]

6. O'Malley

But if it is Hillary I will absolutely supporting her.

[hrmjustin]

8. I have always loved the Clintons and will support her 100% if she runs.

[Auntie Bush]

49. Me too! Always loved them both!

What a great couple they'd make going around the wold. I can just see them knocking the socks off in every European country. The Europeans are much more forgiving then we are. I remember people calling Bill, "President of the world."

Hillary will make a mighty fine impressive president. Now Bill has to remember who's president
or this isn't going to work!

[hrmjustin]

50. I just hope it all works out for her.

[ZombieHorde]

9. Dennis Kucinich.

Or someone else just as liberal.

[AlinPA]

18. Funny - a Fox 'news' employee.

[ZombieHorde]

20. Sad that a FOX News employee is more liberal than the

vast majority of our elected officials.

[AlinPA]

21. I lost respect that I had for him when he became an associate of the Fox 'news" team.

[ZombieHorde]

24. That's cool.

I'm more concerned about the wars and civil rights than FN, but that might just be me.

[AlinPA]

26. Same concerns here, but his being an associate of Hannity, O'Reilly, Doocy and the rest

irks the hell out of me.

[ZombieHorde]

35. I care more about a person's political opinions than their coworkers. nt

[liberal_at_heart]

45. I will always respect Kucinich. He was the only one with enough courage to say no to the Iraq War.

Over and over and over again from the very beginning till now. His stance has never changed on that. He will always have my respect and my vote if he ran again.

[burnodo]

71. is that what you tell Steve Leser?

[AlinPA]

74. Is he an employee of Fox?

[burnodo]

82. As many times as he appears on Fox

He might as well be

[sabrina 1]

87. Is he still telling the truth?? Why would lose respect for someone for using any venue

they can find to tell the truth?

That's odd, 'respect' for someone is not generally so easily lost. What was it about him that you respected btw? I'm puzzled by your comment.

[AlinPA]

108. I’d say appearing on Fox ‘news’ just gives them help in claiming that they are "fair and balanced"

and helps them appear like something other than a pure republican propaganda station. Trying to present progressive views on there and expecting the viewers to listen is like talking to a wild dog that is barking in an alley. I respected him for his principles. Joining forces with that crowd (Palin, Hannity, O'Reilly, Doocy) is simply too much to take.

[Ken Burch]

132. That doesn't mean he agrees with the Faux agenda.

The guy was gerrymandered out of Congress and he needed a job. And the Left doesn't seem to have a lot of paid work for people like him.

I sort of like the idea that he's talked Faux into paying him to express HIS ideas on their airwaves. He's kind of subverting the Faux premise in doing that. It'd be even better if Amy Goodman got a second show there.

And...if it ever happened(not that it would)"HANNITY AND KUCINICH" would be EPIC!

[AlinPA]

134. I see your point. In trying to reconcile this, I have thought about the parable that had Jesus

“associating with prostitutes and tax collectors” as a metaphor (progressive people associating with Fox ‘news’) and it helps in acceptance a bit, but their joining that crowd (Palin, Hannity, O’Reilly, Doocy) as an employee, ………. ouch .

[Ken Burch]

135. Well, it's hard times...guy's gotta pay the rent somehow.

And I enjoy the idea of Dennis making people who hate everything he stands for give him a paycheck.

[AlinPA]

136. That's good.

[Bluenorthwest]

12. Papoon, 'cause he's not insane.

But it's very early yet.

[Pyrzqxgl]

15. Sharrod.

[Egalitarian Thug]

61. I'd prefer him to the thin gruel that's being served up so far.

And by that I mean the candidates being floated now that might actually get through. I'd love Warren or Grayson or Sanders, but even should they want it, the party rulers ain't gonna let that happen. Brown might have enough party cred to make a run.

[brewens]

16. Not decided yet but I'd love to see Warren in the running. That most

likely if Hillary decides not to run. Her not running and supporting Warren, however likely that might be, sounds good to me right now.

[nyquil_man]

17. No favorite.

I probably won't even start considering it until 2016.

[Egalitarian Thug]

19. So the choices are Sentaor CitiBank, Senator Tata, or another one-term Senator with good

intentions but no clout in the party...

[Ken Burch]

28. There was also an option for suggesting other candidates.

Those were just the three that came to mind.

Who'd you prefer, among people NOT listed in the poll?

[Egalitarian Thug]

42. I certainly like Warren and I love Sanders, but I don't see any way they get through the

machine's barrier. I like Grayson but he has no better chance than Warren or Sanders.

I think our best chance at positive change would be a celebrity. How about a Sarandon-Rock ticket?

[KamaAina]

119. Senator Tata?

[Egalitarian Thug]

120. Clinton famously threw a big gala affair for her new corporate sponsor, Tata

(an Indian IT outsourcer), on the very same day that IBM announced their plan to lay off another 10,000 of her constituents so they could outsource the jobs. This was on the heels of over 30,000 previous IBM layoffs in NY.

It's just so typical for the DLC corporatists.

[KamaAina]

121. Oh, thank goodness.

I was afraid that might be a cheap shot at her gender.

[Egalitarian Thug]

122. Oops. I hadn't even thought of that. Thank you very much for asking and not just assuming the worst.

[Alameda]

22. Too soon to have any opinion now.

....although, Hilary does not thrill me.

[maui902]

25. Too soon to pick a favorite

Hillary Clinton may try to clear the field, but I'd prefer some other candidates to rise to the occasion to see what the Democrats can do.

[PD Turk]

29. Bernie Sanders/Alan Grayson

There about the only ones left that make sense anymore.

[adirondacker]

38. +10000. !!!

[LWolf]

69. While I would be thrilled

with that option, do you really think pulling them out of Congress is the best thing to do? Can you guarantee equally strong replacements?

Edited to add: I don't care if Bernie is not a "D." He'd have my vote in a heartbeat.

[PD Turk]

93. I don't know

They're about the only two people left in the whole federal government I really like, seems like just about everybody else has sold out to the corporate machine these days. Maybe if they were leading one branch of government it might not be a bad thing. I sure would like to see Bernie's version of the "bully pulpit".

[LWolf]

113. I would do a great deal to see that. nt

[onehandle]

31. Warren, then Clinton, then Biden. Otherwise, President Rubio has it in the bag. nt

[cthulu2016]

32. Far too early to chose between Hillary and Warren

If the general election will be contested, Hillary.

If the general election will be a cake-walk for any Democratic candidate, Warren... actually, Paul Krugman, but he wasn't on the list.

Selecting a nominee is selecting a candidate, not selecting a president, so things like being America's most respected political figure (or whatever) potentially counts for something.

[Octafish]

33. Ron Wyden, Mark Udall...

...lots of good Democrats.

[Ken Burch]

62. Pretty much all healthcare activists are going to oppose Wyden

After he fought to water the ACA down to practically nothing.

[Octafish]

70. Is his plan better?

http://www.standtallforamerica.com/issue/health_care/

I'm no expert, but I'd like to have a plan as good as Congress'.

[LWolf]

68. I'm not so sure

I want to let Wyden go.

We might be able to replace him with a good liberal/left newcomer, but do we want to take that chance?

Wouldn't it be better to look outside of Congress? We don't have enough good liberal/left Senators and Reps as it is. Can we afford to lose one?

[Octafish]

72. Not certain if Wyden's the best candidate. I like that he stood up to NSA domestic operators.

PATRIOT Act Being Used to Keep Super Duper Government Spy Operation Top Secret

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=edit&forum=1002&thread=440614

[LWolf]

73. He's a pretty good Senator.

I don't agree with him on everything; he's often more moderate than I would like. But then, we can't have everything, can we?

Still, I think he does a good job for my state, and I'd like to keep him.

[Ken Burch]

129. The one good thing about Wyden running for prez

is that it would open up his Senate seat for Rep. Peter DeFazio, a progressive hero who could truly be, in the upper chamber, the successor to Wayne Morse.

[Safetykitten]

36. There's this older neighbor, soounds like he knows what he is talking about. Could'nt be worse.

[pipi_k]

37. Other...how about

any reasonable Democrat who can keep it away from the Republicans...

I dunno...works for me.

[ruffburr]

39. Warren- She is least likely to be bought out, I hope

[flvegan]

40. Dennis Kucinich.

I guess that's a seconded.

Looking forward to my scolding...come on...you can do it.

[LWolf]

67. Remember how,

in the last couple of months in '07, before the actual voting/caucusing started in Iowa and New Hampshire, how every poll at DU had DK well ahead of the pack, with Edwards the only one close?

I often wonder what the nation would look like today if we'd nominated and elected DK instead of Obama.

And then I stop thinking about it, because it's so damned depressing.

[flvegan]

84. Remember it? You should check my posting history.

I was one of the bandleaders here at DU for Kucinich back then. But, the naysayers, apologists, DLC shills and complete fucking morons shouted us down with stupid reasoning. Yet, folks listened. Like Republicanism, voting for the individual bought, paid for and strolled out for you to vote for (OBEY!)...it's just easier than thinking.

And I've worn the signature below ever since.

Had we nominated and elected DK? Well shit, we'd collectively probably have a LOT less to bitch about every day. Can't have that, though.

[LWolf]

88. It's a good sigline.

Mine, after the GE, got my sigline privileges revoked for a few years. It said, "I told you so," and linked to a post in my journal that was live for almost 2 years. It got yanked along with the privilege about 6 months into '09.

It was a primary post about why I couldn't support Obama, despite his being the supposedly "not dlc" candidate. I can see why it was okay for the primaries, and touchy after the GE. It was't that, though, that caused an implosion of rage among those that alerted. It was the "I told you so," which couldn't be argued. So it had to go away.

Yours is a lot nicer than mine was.

I believe that DK would have fought for the things he campaigned on, whether he could get Congress to send all of them to him or not.

They all would have been on the table, and on the front page of the national mind. We would have progressed instead of regressed.

[MuseRider]

90. Remember the kids that walked across the country for him and for peace?

They stayed overnight with me then eventually got to you and stayed with you? I always thought that was kinda neat connecting in that way over something we both believed so strongly in.

Yes depressing. I don't think we will ever come close to realizing the ideas he was putting out.

[LWolf]

112. I remember.

They were nice kids.

That was truly a time of hope for me.

[Ken Burch]

138. I think the rigid "we CAN'T pick Dennis" mindset was just too strong.

It was as if most of the party loved the guy, but was convinced that they couldn't LET themselves vote for him.

That, and the smears and the height jokes worked against him too(Dennis may have been the most-verbally bullied Democratic presidential candidate in history...a lot of people here and elsewhere in the party treated him as if he deserved to be given a wedgie or shoved into a locker). There was a choking hatred and contempt towards Dennis in some sectors of the party, even though he'd done nothing whatsoever to deserve it. What were people SO frightened might happen if the guy made a respectable showing in the primaries?
His ideas were overwhelmingly popular and STILL ARE.

I am convinced that we could elect anybody we nominated, if ONLY the party would actually campaign hard for whoever it was.

[LWolf]

139. I think you're right.

What were they so frightened of?

Authentic change to the status quo.

[Katashi_itto]

41. Lord Sauron. he has a more moderate platform than any of them.

[herturn2016]

43. I wouldn't say it's more moderate at all. But he certainly looks less extreme than he used to --

the Eye of Sauron was just the earliest iteration of Total Information Awareness. And Nazguls are basically just weaponized drones. He could even say he'd be ready on day one to take over our modern security state.

On other issues, while Sauron has a record of inclusivity when it comes to race (orcs, Haradim, etc.) his environmental record is abysmal.

[Katashi_itto]

44. Yes he does lack in the environmental dept. I do like the fact he has the "large Tent" attitude.

His diversity policies are at least 2 Ages ahead.

[Ken Burch]

58. Then again...Anthony Weiner has a REALLY large tent...if ya know what I mean...

[jaysunb]

47. Why is this question being asked three years in advance ?

Don't we already have a president ? Would considering actions to take back the House and hold the Senate be a more appropriate endeavor ?

Just asking......

[Ken Burch]

48. they would be, but people are already discussing this question.

It's not like it isn't all over this site by now.

You are right about the immediate priorities, of course.

[pediatricmedic]

52. Perhaps people are a bit upset about the current situation?

Have to have something to look forward to, even if years away.

[jaysunb]

59. Sounds like bullshit to me. n/t

[emulatorloo]

78. Yeah, 2014 is a way bigger priority.

[KharmaTrain]

107. Cause It Was In '05...even in '09...

...it's DU's equivelent of the fantasy football league. You get to pick you're pie-in-the-sky candidate...then project how they'll make everything sweetness and light and how every other Democrat sucks.

2014 is looking to be a far more critical election than 2016...especially on the state level where all the ugly is really going on. As I always have...I can wait until about a month or so before the primary in my state to see which candidates are still standing and where they are standing. In the meantime, it's all playtime...

[longship]

51. Utter silliness!

It is three years until the parties will have a nominee. It will be 2 1/2 years before anybody has any credible opinion on who may be a front runner.

This -- I apologize in advance, no other way to put it -- jacking off about some putative candidate in 2016 is nothing more than the way I have portrayed it.

Hillary, Warren, Biden -- Shit! I have even heard Wendy Davis the other day here.

The Presidential election isn't a fucking reality show! It isn't about how popular a person is today. It's about who has the character and intelligence and insight to do what is probably one of the most difficult jobs on our meager planet.

One doesn't choose such a person like a So You Think You Can Dance reality show.

Good world leaders never come out of the blue. They have long records which give them that mandate. They earn it. It doesn't come from birthright or marriage. It comes from setting ones principles above corrupting influences and the experience to demonstrate those attributes.

There is a reason that FDR was elected four times. There was a reason why George Washington was our first president. Both have something to do with similar -- but not the same-- attributes.

That's what I look for in anybody running for office.

Few achieve that in spite of the fact that I always vote.

[Boom Sound 416]

64. Credible opinion?

[TheKentuckian]

53. Sherod Brown. Legitimate track record of being on the right side of the issues, proven ability

to win in a large swing state, serious credentials with much time in the House and now a multi term US Senator who won't be up for election.

No fan club, low cult of personality factor, no ism to hide behind, no coattails to ride on, and no band of neoliberals parked in orbit around him.

[Warren DeMontague]

55. Warren, because I am partial to the name Warren.

No, actually, I think she's best placed to articulate a moral argument for a progressive vision.

[MannyGoldstein]

56. One of those three did not vote for war against Iraq

And I highly doubt she would have, because she's an honest, intelligent, and forthright person.

Nor does she believe that wealth makes a person more important.

[ohheckyeah]

57. Simon Cameron said, "An

honest politician is one who, when he is bought, will stay bought."

Right now, my cynicism says we have a lot of honest politicians.

Unfortunately, all we ever have to choose from is politicians. I think we need a comedian - Lewis Black comes to mind.

[sabrina 1]

60. Warren because she did not vote for the criminal War in Iraq.

If not her, then someone who opposed and still does our criminal wars everywhere.

[Agschmid]

63. Interesting to note Biden only has one vote!

Thought there would be more?

[SMC22307]

125. We need fresh blood.

I like Joe, but maybe it's time to retire and hang out in Rehoboth with his grandkids.

[LWolf]

65. Other:

A liberal/left governor, or someone else equally worthy who announces a candidacy when the time comes.

At this point, no one is running. When it's time, though, I hope someone worth my time and vote steps up.

[tabbycat31]

66. Instead of worrying about a race 3.5 years away

Let's worry about state and local races this year and next

[brooklynite]

75. Hillary if she runs; Brian Schweitzer is she doesn't

[Jackpine Radical]

76. I'm flying the Liz Warren banner, but

I'm fully aware that she may not run, and probably won't win the nomination if she tries. For one thing, the Big Money people seem to want Hillary.

So why bother with the Liz Warren schtick?

Simple.

I endorse her values and her politics insofar as I've seen them, and at least for now, she's the leading figurehead for those values. Her banner represents a certain type of liberal/progressive policy that is too rare on today's political scene, and I think that lots of people are underestimating the popularity of those positions.

In short, I want someone to the left of Hillary, and it just makes more sense to express that sentiment with a Liz For Prez banner than with, say, a Grayson or Sanders For Prez flag.

[sabbat hunter]

77. Andrew Cuomo

[Zorra]

79. Elizabeth Warren. What's to explain? I'm a yellowdog Dem. nt

[randome]

85. Warren. I've changed my mind about her 'unelectability'.

That being said, STOP TALKING ABOUT 2016 ALREADY!

We need to GOTV NEXT YEAR if we want to have a prayer of making progress.
[hr][font color="blue"][center]Stop looking for heroes. BE one.[/center][/font][hr]

[grasswire]

89. Howard Dean

He truly is the only excellent choice.

[roamer65]

91. Certainly many better choices than the 'pugs have.

What do they have? Obstructionist senators and a regurgitated third Bush.

[Tx4obama]

96. It is way too soon to tell about Warren. She's not on all committees that she needs to be on

Warren is not getting any foreign policy experience like Obama did while in the U.S. Senate

Warren's current Committee Assignments

Committee on Banking, Housing, and Urban Affairs
- - Subcommittee on Economic Policy
Committee on Health, Education, Labor, and Pensions
- - Subcommittee on Children and Families
- - Subcommittee on Employment and Workplace Safety
- - Subcommittee on Primary Health and Aging
Special Committee on Aging

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elizabeth_Warren#Committee_assignments

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Obama - Legislation as U.S. Senator

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Senator_Obama#Legislation

Committees Barack Obama was on while in the U.S. Senate

Obama held assignments on the Senate Committees for Foreign Relations, Environment and Public Works and Veterans' Affairs through December 2006. In January 2007, he left the Environment and Public Works committee and took additional assignments with Health, Education, Labor, and Pensions and Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs. He also became Chairman of the Senate's subcommittee on European Affairs. As a member of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, Obama made official trips to Eastern Europe, the Middle East, Central Asia and Africa. He met with Mahmoud Abbas before Abbas became President of the Palestinian National Authority, and gave a speech at the University of Nairobi in which he condemned corruption within the Kenyan government.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Senator_Obama#Committees

[1-Old-Man]

109. Its not too early for those of us who have been supporting her for years now.

The woman didn't just magically appear on the earth two years ago, she's been around for years - making sense and doing the right things. That's a lot more than I can say for the other choices who often make no sense at all and rarely do the right thing.

Anyone but Hillary ...

[limpyhobbler]

97. Liz Warren cuz she will clean up wall street and beat the bankers over the head with a broom.

er ... at least she will try.

[BainsBane]

99. What makes you think she's going to run?

I was actually thinking Ironman would be a great choice, but if not him, Wolverine.

[limpyhobbler]

100. It was in the poll so I just ran with it.

Wolverine wasn't in the poll. Ironman I would never vote for, that guy is a douche.

[1-Old-Man]

110. What makes anyone think Hillary will run either? 4 years at State wore her down to the bone.

The woman looked like warmed over death by the time she quit at State, why would anyone believe she is up to the pressures of the Presidency? That and when you think about it she has less experience in Government than most GS-9s.

[BainsBane]

111. Did I mention Hillary Clinton?

Why would you assume I assume she will run? There can be no nominee when there are no candidates. I didn't mention Secretary Clinton. I named Ironman and Wolverine, which makes as much sense as this mindless speculation about an election three years away.

Whoever I decide to support three years from now, I won't be asking your permission or your opinion. Your point about Clinton's qualifications say nothing about her but everything about you.

What I will do is waiting for the actual election to choose among candidates who actually run. In the meantime, there are local elections and congressional midterms. Since my goal isn't making sure the Republicans hold on to the House and as many state legislatures as possible, I will not be wasting time worrying about any hypothetical presidential nominee until there are actually candidates.

You obviously busy having your own dialog with yourself, so carry on. Your tirade has nothing to do with me or anything I have said.

[BainsBane]

98. There is no nominee without candidates

No one has declared, so what is the point of this? This is worse than cable news.

[Hekate]

101. What about 2014? Maybe a Congress who will work with a Democratic President?

[Fire Walk With Me]

102. I am as always for the 99% but would vote for a Warren/Sanders ticket. n/t

[LittleBlue]

103. I really want to love Warren

It's just that after Obama, I'm having a hard time putting faith in anyone with little legislative history.

He talked the talk, but ended up being a puppet for his paymasters, which is difficult to see without a long history of voting. I just can't get excited about this anymore.

[JVS]

104. I'd like more options.

[LostOne4Ever]

105. Russ Feingold

He has been my favorite politician since he voted against the Patriot Act, and now that he is out of office I can think of no better candidate.

[Deep13]

106. too early, not playing. nt

[Capt. Obvious]

114. Snowden/Greenwald!

[bobclark86]

116. Nobody ever gives Andrew Cuomo any love...

-He has DC experience, having run HUD under Clinton.

-He got the Senecas to cough up the tens of millions they were withholding from Buffalo, Niagara Falls and Salamanca, smoothing relations turned into a gigantic clusterfuck by his predecessors (including his father) which previously included Senecas blockading roads and sowing so much distrust the DOT refused to even work with them to fix some of the worst stretches of Interstate in the country for decades. Oh, and I-86 through Salamanca is getting redone this year, thanks to efforts by the state to smooth things over instead of the "Blow Me" responses sent by other governors.

-He started a restructuring of the state tax code with progressive increases for the wealthiest (pissed off Donald Trump and Rush, so it's good for me).

-Oh, yeah, and he got a Republican-controlled Senate to approve GAY MARRIAGE and an ASSAULT WEAPONS BAN that made the '94 federal legislation look like a gun humper's wet dream.

-He's been working on decriminalizing marijuana, strengthening pro-choice protections, and lots of other things.

[Ken Burch]

118. It's probably because he's been pro-austerity as governor

Cuomo's approach has always been to just cave on whatever cuts in the social wage Wall Street demanded. To my knowledge, he never EVER said "OK...that's far enough...the cuts stop here and they stop now".

That makes pot an an assault weapons ban. nice as they are, kind of side issues unless you're a yuppie.

[bobclark86]

127. Gee... Revenues from Wall Street drop like a rock...

leaving the state with no more money to spend, plus pension funds taking a crap. So, instead of just dumping pensions like governors in other states (which would have led to a shitstorm of epic proportions), they decide to tighten the belt for a couple years. Oh, no! Our primary and secondary state education system, with the highest school property taxes in the country with dick to show for it in performance, is told to look at cutting back on football programs and Astroturf for a few years, all while offering incentives to share $150k a year superintendents and elective courses with neighboring districts (which have a third of the student population of 10 years ago). The horror.

It's not like he has also helped increase green energy development, slowing down to actually STUDY Marcellus Shale hydrofracking (as opposed to people lighting their faucets on fire in the next state over), a new child tax credit, an industrial-only (i.e.: not Walmart) tax abatement for new businesses on the 20-some SUNY campuses, the Buffalo Billion stimulus, dropping unemployment...

But yeah, noting how he is the successful governor in the Empire State in decades (with on-time and early budgets, too.. which is, to quote Joe Biden, a "big fucking deal" for this state AS THEY HAVEN'T HAPPENED IN THREE DECADES) with a track record of reaching across the aisle to get progressive work done makes me a yuppie. Thank you!

[Ken Burch]

130. He could have at least proposed taxing the rich(instead of letting them totally off the hook)

And he didn't have to make the cuts from programs for the poorest of the poor first(the way his dad, the alleged liberal hero, always did). Worst of all, he bragged about it on the stump, as if any Democrat should EVER brag about making life harder for the poor.

Finally you're assuming it'll just be austerity for a couple of years.

In my experience, when they start cutting programs for the poor, they never, ever, stop.

Anywhere.

And the ones who make the cuts NEVER restore what they cut later.

It's a real test of who's side you're on. if you put cuts in the social wage BEFORE taxes on the rich(and you wouldn't even actually have to call it "taxing the rich", you could call it "Reparations for Reaganomics&quot , you're damn sure not on the people's side.

Sorry, I'm just not that impressed by the Cuomo brand.

I'll back him if nominated...but I'm not sure he'd run(he may have inherited his dad's allergy to actually entering presidential primaries).

[DemocratSinceBirth]

117. Joe Biden isn't getting any respect in this poll./nt

[nadinbrzezinski]

123. Perhaps you've missed this

But there is an election in 2014


Too damn early

[Butterbean]

124. I think it's too soon to call, and I'll wait until it gets closer to

get attached to any one candidate.

[LynnTTT]

128. O'Malley

I'd love the very most progressive, abrasive stick to your guns left winger ever. But more than that I want a Democrat to win. O'Malley is consistent, partially vetted as Gov of Maryland, young, looks and sounds good on camera, unflappable when representing the Democratic position against the GOP on news shows. Lets pick someone who can win. KeepWarren in the Senate, Kuchinich is too flakey, Clinton has too much baggage .

[Brewinblue]

131. Howard Dean

I will only support Democrats who belong to the democratic wing of the Democratic Party, and who know how to play the game of national politics.

[malthaussen]

133. Angela Davis. But I don't think she's running. n/t

[MNBrewer]

137. I'd still take John Edwards

[99Forever]

140. Reading these replies...

... what stands out to me, is that some Democrats never seem to understand the REAL importance of the Long Game, but instead, piss and moan about "why talk about 2016?"

No damn wonder Democrats keep getting their freakin' lunch money taken from them. The enemy has had strategic plans that span decades and they are WORKING for them.

Wake the fuck up.

[bhcodem]

141. Not sure of his chances, but...

I have always thought it would be nice to have Whitehouse in the Whitehouse. Otherwise O'Malley, Dean, or Hillary.