If "PRESIDENT" Warren on Day 1 does NOT...

[uponit7771]

- Pardon Snowden and make him head of NSA
- Appoint Glen Greenwald to head of CIA
- Release every person who has ever smoked weed ever
- Put the WHOLE Bush admin in Gitmo (I mean everybody, even the police dogs and Bush's pet rabbit)
- Put EVERY ceo in jail except for COSTCOs ceo
- Implement universal health care with medical records kept by the Martians (can't trust HUMAN governments with any data)
- Make the minimum wage 12.50 an hour (with no CEOs to lead any company who's to say no?)
- Declare SYG unconstitutional
- Declare ALEC a terrorist organization
- Punch Mitch McConnell in the mouth twice (even if he loses his senate race 3 years before her inauguration)

Then... (EVEN if she tries, EVEN if she gives it her all, EVEN if she makes 11312 "strong" speeches, EVEN if she has "good will&quot

The professional left, bashers, fudr and wingers will call her a sell out..

.........................................................................too

Cause you know, that's a lot easier than getting her an 70% avg progressive congress like FDR had throughout his terms

I wouldn't want that job for nothin!!!

[Arkana]

1. I wonder what the Warren for President people will do when she says she doesn't

want the job.

[brooklynite]

15. What will they do when she campaigns for Hillary Clinton?

[JoePhilly]

28. If that happens ... I'm taking a vacation day, buying

a ton of popcorn, and bolting myself to DU for the day.

[Cal33]

68. I'd vote for Hillary if she should win the Democratic primaries. She would at least delay our

having a Republican president by 4 or 8 years -- if not anything else. Something is better
than nothing.

[Cal33]

66. You're behind the times. I've been told a couple of days ago that Warren did say on Fox News that

she wasn't interested in running for POTUS. What am I doing? I haven't given up the
hope that she might be persuaded to change her mind. We still have 3 years and 3
months before Nov. 2016. A lot of things could happen between now and then.

[MADem]

77. She already said that, out in Western MA the other day, when Faux ambushed her.

She's "not interested!"

She wants affordable housing, cheap loans for college kids, infrastructure improvement--stuff that will help the people of her state, and the nation....can you IMAGINE?

[Cal33]

86. Ha, ha! MADem, you're the one who told me! :)

[Capt. Obvious]

2. *yawn*

You must miss META

[uponit7771]

4. I miss rational expectations

[Just Saying]

27. +1

And rational discussion.

[cali]

3. your op is so silly and over the top that it's an embarrassment.

to see it here.

You intend to lampoon people you view derisively as "professional leftists". You fail at that miserably.

[uponit7771]

5. You forgot the /sarcasm tag...

this post from you needed it

[cali]

12. is that the best you can do?

rates low on the clever meter. No surprise considering the abysmal mess that your op is.

[uponit7771]

38. Is more needed? tia

[Hydra]

30. It was embarrassing enough the first time he posted it in a thread

He felt the need to do it again just in case nobody saw it.

And they say Greenwald does it for the attention...

[uponit7771]

39. For bashers and wingers yes

[Hydra]

52. *Holds a mirror up for him*

Who are you helping, pray tell?

[uponit7771]

53. People with irrational expectations hopefully

[HangOnKids]

126. How BIG of you.

My cat has those same expectations.

[Jim Lane]

92. Yes, I thought this had a very familiar ring, and I found it.

Here's the earlier version although he's managed to make it even sillier this go-round.

The basic idea is the fallacy of the excluded middle. EITHER you completely refrain from criticizing Obama from the left OR you must be an idiotic purist who will settle for nothing short of complete perfection (ignoring all political realities).

There are serious arguments to be made on both sides of such questions as whether Obama could have handled the health insurance reform bill better, so as to maybe get a public option. Reasonable people can differ. This OP, however, is not making a serious argument about anything.

[Hydra]

95. Nope, it's an attack on the Left and an attack on Senator Warren

From the Right of all places.

[HangOnKids]

128. Here is two smart people....enough said

"Here is two smart people who are working their asses off for the people, the people who have the final say in the fact that we have enough votes to put them there with a large enough margin that it would be next to impossible to steal the election away from them
Sanders/Warren for President/Vice President"

[Union Scribe]

6. Done with your meta tantrum now? nt

[MADem]

78. Nothing META about that post--unless you are saying that these comments ONLY appear on DU?

Which would mean that a bunch of perverse disruptors are trying to fuck with this website, and there are no people outside of a few who post here who hold the view that EW should run for the Presidency because they believe she's more liberal than she actually is.

And the word "tantrum" is a personal insult to the OP. You have the power to ignore this post--what prevented you from using that power?

[Union Scribe]

83. Why didn't you ignore my post?

Physician, heal thyself.

[MADem]

87. I really don't care about you, I am simply correcting your false assertion.

You're not entitled to your own facts, you see. Particularly when they have the potential to affect others and perhaps get a thread closed down unfairly.

The post is not META. It's a wry commentary on how Democrats--even those who don't spend any time at all on DU--might approach the issue of "President" Warren's achievements.

For you to claim it is META is just not accurate, and not supported by the OP, either. No mention of the "DU club" of posters is present in the OP, and the individual who made the comments specifically and quite deliberately cast a much wider net.

[Union Scribe]

90. I can see how little you care

by how much you've typed in fervent reply to me

[MADem]

93. I care about correcting your false impression.

[Egalitarian Thug]

7. Bitter much?

[Cali_Democrat]

8. Bitter about what?

[CakeGrrl]

41. What bitterness?

I see an observation about a ridiculous set of "benchmarks" by which the current POTUS is measured.

Would a President Warren be measured by the same standards? Not to speak for the OP's intent: I myself would fully anticipate total hypocrisy as she is given every excuse under the sun for not producing miraculous results. Because she means well, has a good heart, is really trying (we can tell!), and so on and so on.

[uponit7771]

50. No, happy with a reasonable expectations and a damn good president.. next?! regards

[Scuba]

9. If "PRESIDENT" Warren on Day 1 ...

... names Eric Holder as Atty General ...

... names Larry Summers head of the Fed ...

... tells Wall Street crooks we're going to "look forward" ...

... orders drone strikes against civilian targets ...


Then I'll be mighty disappointed.

[Cali_Democrat]

10. I don't think you have to worry about that because she won't be President. n/t

[SammyWinstonJack]

121. heh.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

11. In a democracy, it is the peoples' responsibility to hold public servants accountable.

Of course, politicians and brown nosers tend to find people fulfilling their responsibility inconvenient and alarming and call them "professional leftists", "bashers", "fudr", and "wingers".

[demwing]

13. its easy to say you wouldn't want a job

When there's so little chance you would ever get the offer

[PowerToThePeople]

14. Progressive does not mean "moderately right leaning."

[Jamaal510]

16. You have to admit, though--

equating a president's powers with those of a king or dictator is much easier than brushing up on basic civics.

[HangOnKids]

124. Really? Can you post a link that shows a DUer equated Obama to a king or dictator?

I'm befuddled because I just have not seen that Jamaal.

[Hekate]

130. All the time, when posters insist that POTUS can create laws and fund them...

... when those powers rest with the Legislative Branch, i.e. Congress.

Just because said posters don't use the words "king" and "dictator" doesn't mean that's not their expectations.

No matter how many times it's pointed out to them that the President has certain powers in the Executive Branch, while the unused powers they are so bitterly disappointed about reside with the Congress, they still insist daily that Obama SHOULD do what they want him to do, and he COULD, but he WON'T.

One wonders how many people slept through high school Civics classes?

[HangOnKids]

132. Sorry Hekate I Asked For A Link

And actually I wasn't asking you. Thanks for the chime in though.

[Hekate]

136. Here's five -- recent long, contentious threads

Obviously I was among those who kept trying to explain why POTUS couldn't do everything by himself without Congress. You'll have to pick through them to see who-all believes he can, could, should.

Much discussion here about disappointments and how the OP and supporters want POTUS to just make
it all right: http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023410042
Explanations of how the govt works.

Yet more attempts to explain in this thread: http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023357502

And this thread here: http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=3351356

And this one: http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=3339427

Long and contentious thread: http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=3175647

Perhaps we can all get focused on the 2014 elections and try to send a more co-operative Congress to Washington. But I'm not holding my breath.







i

[treestar]

155. good collection, Hekate

thank you! All of those are full of it!

[treestar]

149. Dozens and dozens of posts saying that

Presidents should "lead" - which implies Presidents should have enough cult of personality that Congress won't dare disagree with them.

Millions of posts scoffing at Congress not going along with something as an "excuse."

Thousands of posts complaining that Obama did not do this or that which would never pass Congress.

Jillions of posts complaining that Obama "caved" when he tries to compromise to get Congress to pass something he can sign.

[Hekate]

154. Oh, but he wants links

Yet you are entirely right, treestar.

[sabrina 1]

17. If 'Preident Warren':

Makes promises during her campaign to:

1)To Protect SS from marauding Right Wing lunatics and she ends up proposing 'cuts' to a program that does not belong to the Federal Govt she will be ripped apart by the 'Professional Left' .

2) If she appoints REPUBLICANS to her Cabinet or Monsanto or Booz Allen CEOS to positions of power, she will be ripped apart by the Professional Left.

3) If she forgets who elected her, and her top spokespersons begin bashing the Profession Left, she will be ripped apart by them.

4) If she even considers any of the architects of the deregulation of Wall St that led to the Crash, for any position in Economics, she can expect to be fiercely criticized by the 'Professional Left'.

5) If she calls backing away from her stated commitment to implement Progressive Democratic Policies 'bi-partisanship', then she clearly doesn't understand that the WINNER gets to set the terms, lead the party towards winning more in the deal than the losers, then she will receive the criticism she would richly deserve.

etc. etc ...

Otoh, if she FIGHTS and doesn't make excuses for what she was elected to do, avoids attacking those who elected her, doesn't boast about how 'angry she has made her supporters' etc etc, even if she fails, she will have the full support of the 'Professional Left'.

And one more thing, if she avoids the derogatory term used by the far right to attack Democrats with, 'The Professional Left', she will be on the right path.

I doubt she will sink to that level, she is far too intelligent a woman for that kind of grade school level garbage.

Signed, considering the source of that infantile terminology,

Sabrina, proud member of the Professional Left ...

[Hydra]

32. *sizzle*

That's going to leave a mark...nicely done!

[Marr]

34. +1

[uponit7771]

40. ...and to establish my point ^^^^

[sabrina 1]

46. Well, 'establishing your 'point' was my intention!

Or rather, 'exposing it' ... I think everyone 'got that'. Everyone who matters that is, iow, the 'professional left', so thank you!

[uponit7771]

56. Yes, my point being there are people with irrational expectations. Those who thought 100% of what..

...Obama promissed was going to be done without question or caution.

[Hydra]

58. Or at all?

Let's just have no expectations. After all, we didn't vote for a Democrat who made promises to us, right?

[uponit7771]

98. Yeap, Obama aint done shit...fuck facts, what do they know hunh?! Best to bitch on internet vs get..

...a progressive congress

[Hydra]

106. Why would he want a Progressive Congress?

He needed the Repubs to save him when things get dicey:

- The 217-205 roll call Wednesday by which the House rejected a challenge to the National Security Agency's secret collection of hundreds of millions of Americans' phone records.

A "yes" vote was a vote to halt the NSA program; a "no" vote was a vote to allow the program to continue.

Voting yes were 111 Democrats and 94 Republicans.

Voting no were 83 Democrats and 134 Republicans.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/07/24/amash-amendment-roll-call-vote_n_3648737.html

Funny, one of the Ministry of Truthiness actually suggested the Repubs would vote against it to hurt the President. Turns out The GOP had more in common with him than is generally advertized.

[uponit7771]

162. Cause he sucks ass, best to have voted for Bush....this gets silly

[TheKentuckian]

161. Oh he has done plenty. That is the problem.

He has placed a little fig leaf over the Bush/Cheney surveillance state and kept on rocking.

He has kept the global war on terror shit, uncut.

He pushing the proliferation and use of drones.

He is repeatedly and consistently shoving various austerity commissions, gangs, and budget cliffhangers.

He vigorously pursues the drug war.

He fails to ever number the American people among the exalted "stakeholders".

Big Business, Big Carbon, Big Finance, and Big Politicians are all too big to prosecute but the little people and those few that on occasion speak up for them get the hammer.

Gone after whistleblowers more than shady ass Bush (or anyone).

Deported shit loads of unauthorized migrants.

Appoints the hell out of some TeaPubliKlans and corporate Turd Wayers.

Refused to simply immediately relocate, place on trial, or as appropriate release prisoners in our Guantanamo Bay gulag he elected to thread the needle by simply relocating the prison to internal US territory which required allocation from Congress and instead was shut down on the whole concept and actually signed his own unconstitutional hand cuffs into law restricting the Executive from handling its province.

He is pursuing more anti-worker free trade deals.

He is the one working all of these horrible deals.

He is opening up oil and gas leases in deep water and arctic areas.

He is the privatization advocate.

He put "No Child Left Behind" on the steroids.

He is the one that allows brown folks to be slaughtered and make it a thing to be celebrated by just defining "combatants" as anyone who might be male between early teens and retirement age.

He authorizes "double taps" and "signature strikes".

Seems to love the revolving door and despises transparency in government.

Made most of the Bush tax cuts permanent.

On and on it goes.

[sabrina 1]

60. Your 'point' was clear and trust me, the 'Professional Left' got it. Put it this way, it's an old an

and probably very harmful to the Democratic Party 'point' by now. Maybe that's the 'point' which some of us have wondered.

Not to worry, your 'point' was crystal clear.

[HangOnKids]

127. Promissed

Yes he did PROMISE a lot and missed quite a bit.

[CakeGrrl]

43. The POTUS did NOT use the term "Professional Left".

That was Robert Gibbs.

They are two different people. Get over it.

So, if Warren "FIGHTS" but doesn't produce any results, she'll get credit for fighting.

I called that up above.

But it's all academic. It's far more likely that she'll support Clinton than being the candidate herself. As someone alluded upthread, that might make this place lurk-worthy.

[sabrina 1]

51. Pssst ...

3) If she forgets who elected her, and her top spokespersons begin bashing the Profession Left, she will be ripped apart by them.

Gibbs would be a 'top spokesperson, no?

[uponit7771]

54. no

[sabrina 1]

62. Omg. You can't make this stuff up. I suggest people just read the exchange above.

Press Secretary, the ULTIMATE Presidential Spokesperson, no longer a top spokesperson!!

When you are caught misquoting someone, demote the top presidential spokesperson, the Press Sec. to, what??

Thanks!

[emulatorloo]

61. No. And BTW, "Professional Left" meant Paid Opinion Writers

Editorial writers, TV personalities, bloggers whose sole income is from their blogs, et cetera.

People who are paid for their opinions, and who therefore have some stake in making sure as many eyeballs read or ears hear what they write or say.

Not activists and people who post on DU.

[sabrina 1]

63. I would expect a top spokesperson like the Press Secretary for a Democratic President to

attack the Professional Right, (although I'm told now that the Press Sec. is speaking for someone other than the President??) but that's just me, 'member of the Professional Left'.

[emulatorloo]

64. So you are saying Gibbs promoted Limbaugh, Hannity, and Glenn Beck?

Interesting . . .

[sabrina 1]

67. Lol, keep going. But, it's easier if you READ what people say and then respond to WHAT

say. That is how a discussion works.

When you do the old 'Sooooo you are saying etc etc it is simply amusing. And boring.

To quote someone famous, or infamous maybe: 'I say what I mean and I mean what I say'. And all you have to do is respond to what I say, UNLESS you simply can't and then you resort to the old 'so you are saying' what you didn't actually say, routine.

When I can't respond factually to something I have read I either admit it, or ignore it until I gather more info. I stopped playing the old 'so you're saying' routine at around age 10.

No one was buying it.

[emulatorloo]

89. Glad to hear you hate "willful misinterpretation" as much as I do.

Perhaps you'll think twice about doing it from now on. As in your willful misrepresentation of the phrase "Professional Left"

[sabrina 1]

100. Well, can you give us the names of who some of the 'professional Left' writers are?

We have a long list of very credible writers who have earned that credibility over many years.

I prefer to judge people's reputations based on their records. It is hard to do that without knowing who they are.

[CakeGrrl]

74. EXACTLY. I love how some of these people think they're the "Professional Left"

while they accuse people who disagree with them of being

PAID PROFESSIONAL APOLOGISTS for the President.

There is no logic around here.

I'd bet good money that people have been walking around butthurt for SEVERAL YEARS, stewing in resentment at this administration since Gibbs' statement because they thought it was about THEM, a bunch of non-paid posters on a message board.

This is some "Al Gore invented the Internet" crap.

[uponit7771]

79. yeap, VERY similar

[sabrina 1]

102. Well, since since this is wild speculation, I wouldn't bet any kind of money on

it. I prefer to bet money on something, speculation or otherwise, that has some basis in fact. But it's not my money, so bet away.

[treestar]

156. We all elected him

Not just you.

Once elected, he works for the country. Not just one segment of it that thinks it is superior.

[sabrina 1]

158. Did someone say the President doesn't work 'for the country'? What does

THAT mean? Are you saying that Republican ideas and Republicans in top, Cabinet Positions are better for the country than Democratic ideas and Cabinet members?

I never understand this common phrase.

OF COURSE the Government, not just the POTUS, 'works for the country'.

We elect DEMOCRATS because their ideas are better FOR THE COUNTRY, not just US, than Republican ideas.

That statement makes zero sense. If we wanted Repubs in the Cabinet and if we wanted to keep Bush policies in effect, we would elect REPUBLICANS.

[treestar]

159. The president can appoint anyone to the cabinet

and if they are confirmed, they serve.

It is not such a big deal who is in the cabinet. I understand there were reasons for having Gates remain on. I don't know of any other Republicans in the cabinet.

Still they are running the Executive Branch and they don't have authority to change the law in any way.

[sabrina 1]

160. It IS a very big deal and will be in the next presidential election.

This is one question people are going to be demanding an answer to during the next election.

This cabinet is stuffed with Republicans. It is ridiculous and explains a whole lot about the policies that are in place.

'Vote Democratic, get a Republican Cabinet'. Let's see how successful a campaign slogan like that will be.

[treestar]

150. And "fighting" just means using certain words

It doesn't matter if millions more get healthcare. It's better to "fight" and lose than compromise one iota. And this in a government designed to require compromise so no one gets all they want.

[LondonReign2]

65. Thank you sabrina

[avaistheone1]

70. What you said sabrina.

k&r

[NCTraveler]

72. +1 nt

[bigtree]

145. nice reply

very nice.

[SidDithers]

18. DU rec...nt

Sid

[woo me with science]

19. I pine for the old days when the Third Way

at least put on a facade of caring about corporate predation and the struggling millions in this country.

I suppose as our corporate government has more and more abandoned even the facade of standing for the issues it once claimed to care about and has assumed a "fuck you" stance toward the people instead, the talking points were sure to follow...

[sabrina 1]

73. I pine for the older days when they belonged to their OWN PARTY!

Woo ...

[Hydra]

108. Hey Woo, I had a moment today

One of them defended torture to me today as "not torture." Kinda like how waterboarding is "enhanced interrogation" and not torture.

3rd Way is an Elephant pretending to be a Donkey.

[G_j]

20. ah..ok

"professional left"

sounds familiar...

[cascadiance]

21. So if we are all the "jerks" of the "professional left", are you a part of the "professional right"?

... of the Democratic Party? Seems like you certainly don't want to be identified with the "left" of the Democratic Party.

BTW... You forgot pardoning Manning And Don Siegelman. Snowden is still not living here or incarcerated yet to be "pardoned".

[Wilms]

22. Leave Bush's pet rabbit out of it.

The pet goat is another story.

[pediatricmedic]

69. Wanting to Gitmo the rabbit means the OP is a right wing fundie

Everything else is cool

[Duer 157099]

23. Well you may not want that job, but I'd vote for YOU!!!

And I'll even give you 6 months to get those things done!

[bravenak]

24. I like you.

I almost drowned on my ice tea.

[The Link]

25. She'll support gay civil rights on day 1. Thats a huge step up.

[Hekate]

135. A lot of the heavy lifting will already have been done by then, making it easy.

http://www.equalitygiving.org/Accomplishments-by-the-Administration-and-Congress-on-LGBT-Equality

[WI_DEM]

141. Wow as if President Obama hasn't been the best president on gay rights ever

and accomplished a lot already.

[Recursion]

26. Bingo

Sadly

[DJ13]

29. I think people expect her to try and follow through on campaign promises

Unlike.....

[LWolf]

31. What a mountain of bullshit. nt

[Hydra]

33. It was so nice, he had to say it twice, just in case

I miss unrec.

[LWolf]

37. On the whole,

I don't miss unrec. It allowed a single faction to keep dissent off the greatest page.

For some, though...I'm using the trash thread and the auto-trash by keyword features a whole bunch, and actually added someone to my ignore list last week, which I haven't done in years.

[1StrongBlackMan]

104. Funny, you …

You criticize the OP for stating the same thing twice, in two different threads … and here you say the same thing in the same thread.

I miss irony recognition.

[Hydra]

107. Should I go make an OP about it in order to influence the upcoming primaries?

Then I might be a awesome poster like the OP

[1StrongBlackMan]

109. Influence the primaries? ...

First, they are very few posts/posters that have the weight to influence the primaries. But that said, I fail to see how that post would influence the primaries even if it got enough eyes?

[Hydra]

111. Why do you think we're on a discussion board?

And a Political one at that? The OP poster was upset in another thread about a suggested Sanders/Warren ticket and felt the need to go disrupting in favor of Clinton or other DLC ticket, and insult a large block of the Dem voters in the process.

The fact that he actually said illegal actions by a President shouldn't bother anyone further down pretty much killed any credibility he had, so I'm glad we had this discussion about the finer points of expecting things from the people you vote for.

Primary Season started early- get your raincoat out!

[1StrongBlackMan]

117. Wow ...

Surely, you jest! Or, you have a seriously over-inflated sense of self-importance if you truly belief that your posting on an anonymous message board, political or otherwise, will have the least effect on national primaries. But I guess that explains the whole "speaking truth to power/holding their feet to the fire" vibe around here as of late.

While I haven't taken a poll, I'd say the vast majority of DUers here are here because they enjoy discussing politics. There once was a time that I would have said the vast majority were here to gather information on politics, but that all changed with the whole "Democrats aren't Democrat enough", "must call someone an authoritarian" posting that now is all the rage.

[uponit7771]

42. Bullshit = Obama bailed out banks, that's what Bashers are pushing...that's some bullshit but

... people with reasonable expectations are supposed to have rational discussions with them!?

[Douglas Carpenter]

35. If one wants to keep the country pretty much the way it is and keep heading in the same direction

we are heading - then a vote for Hillary Clinton would be the most logical vote.

[uponit7771]

47. Yes, towards recovery from a major financial heart attack...I'll take that...what bashers wingers et

....don't understand is we can of course get better but not by pick a more liberal president.

That's irrational given the facts

regards

[Douglas Carpenter]

59. if one is against real Wall Street regulaton like we had pre-Reagan/Clinton and would like the Wall

Street bankers to keep running the Treasury and if one is content with a casino economy as opposed to a productive economy and if one is against single payer universal healthcare and if one is against expanding the economic safety net and perhaps would favor some modest cuts and if one wants to keep the same basic foreign policy in the Middle East and around the world - and if one has no particular problem with an ever expanding concentration of wealth and political power in few and fewer hands - then a vote for Hilary or some other mainstream media and political class anointed candidate would make a lot of sense.

[grahamhgreen]

36. Tired of the BS - stop it. Obama is a real sell out - face the facts.

[uponit7771]

44. SEE !! ^^^^

[millennialmax]

45. Hahahahahahahahahaha!

[bvar22]

48. Making Stuff up again?

The Real World is tough when your Political Philosophy has fallen apart.
Fantasies from the imagination offer some comfort.
but it is a bad symptom of approaching despair.

Adler called them "Final Fictionalisms,"
where failures in the Real World resorted to their imaginations where they became the hero winning some imaginary victory,
and were finally proved RIGHT!....but, sadly, only in their imaginations.

Please Proceed with your fantasy fight with your imaginary demons.
Like other cartoons, it is great entertainment for the rest of us.

[uponit7771]

49. Like Obama bailed out the banks?! Yes, that's what bashers have come down to

[bowens43]

55. when use the term 'professional left' you lose all credibility but keep trying

[uponit7771]

57. So all of it would be credible if "professional left" would be taken out?!

[LondonReign2]

71. On Day 1?

Probably a pretty tall order for Day 1.

No one expected Obama to accomplish everything on Day 1 either. He's had 1,661 days, however.

Are you suggesting he hasn't had ample time to implement his "true" agenda?

Or are you irked that progressives that voted for the wonderful agenda laid out by Candidate Obama are dispappointed that President Obama no longer supports those things?

[morningfog]

75. Today is day 1659 of the Obama presidency.

[uponit7771]

80. Yeap, 1650 or 1234 12;4on1 same thing with GOP congress, get Obama 70% congress and then

...there are no practical reasons why a more progressive agenda can't be pursued

[LondonReign2]

81. Oh Woe is Our Powerless President!

[uponit7771]

82. That's a winger meme you know that right? To act as if congress is not in the way of the president i

...what wingers want Ameicans to believe ...

Either way, Obama isn't a dictator and when he does act outside of the constitution even following the law, bashers still bash....

regards

[LondonReign2]

84. Yes, yes

Anything that casts Obama as not The Most Awesomest Perfectest President EVER is a "winger" meme.

Congratulations, in a single thread you've managed to call critics or the administration both the "professional left" and "wingers" at the same time. Excellent logic. Any port in a storm for you, eh?

Your entire OP is reductio ad absurdum

And let me just say..."when he does act outside of the constitution even following the law" WTF

[HangOnKids]

131. The post has been edited but it is a hoot to read the original

I am laughing my ass off here. Hi London

[Hydra]

110. LMAO

Did you really just say "and when he does act outside of the constitution even following the law,"?

The Constitution IS "THE LAW." If you're the President and you're not following the Constitution, you are committing *Treason.*

I have to hand it to you, that was beyond the beyond. Thank you for stating so clearly how much you don't understand about how our Gov't works.

[Egalitarian Thug]

85. The multi-dimensional, Jedi chess master, constitutional scholar, powerless President

that would really, really like to do a better job if only there wasn't such a huge backlog at the rainbow unicorn factory.

[uponit7771]

96. You forgot the, " and Obama has a majority of congress" part...might as well be complete with R meme

[Egalitarian Thug]

99. Sorry Charlie. This is what the experts in the actual health care field, not the insurance

industry, told all of us and the thieves that pushed this through, would result long before the republicans latched onto it.

I know you would like to ignore it, but this is still a bad, 17 year old republican plan with a paint job and a big 'D' emblem pasted on it, and like every other bad republican idea that Democrats have implemented over the last quarter century or so, will end up costing those with nothing much more so that those with too much can have even more,

[Fumesucker]

101. I really have to stop drinking while reading DU

Either that or put a spray shield on my monitor, you really tickled me with that.

[MADem]

76. This is funny.

You forgot "Knee Boehner in the jewels, take his cigarettes, and douse them in one of his bottles of Merlot!"



No wonder EW said "I'm NOT INTERESTED!!!!!!!" just a few days ago when she was out in western MA.

She understands how fickle acolytes can be!!

Smart woman. I'm glad she's my Senator!

[YoungDemCA]

88. Oh look, a snarky troll thread attacking the Left

Move along, folks.

[tritsofme]

94. Hit a little too close to home?

[Number23]

91. Well, you got some to admit that they're a pro in this thread

Though that truly speaks volumes about the publication that would pay even a mud covered nickle for their pontifications.

But hey, I guess it's good that Pete's Pickled Pork and Political Punditry took in enough last year to be able to swing an employee and plonk them on DU. Good for them.

K&R

[LittleBlue]

97. ... trash thread

Thank you for wasting 10 seconds of my life with this drivel.

[Octafish]

103. The Professional Left

Sounds like a term of derision that only serves to reinforce negative emotions towards liberals and progressives, the same people who thought they were electing a fellow liberal and progressive in Barack Obama. Odd, that's exactly how he described himself in the campaign in 2008 and promised in 2012 he'd return.

[raouldukelives]

105. 80/20! nt

[Bonobo]

115. 80-20 lives!!!! G4A! GWA! Reverend Sharpton never lied to me! nt

[Bonobo]

112. Anyone that uses the term "professional left"

Well, I don't think much of them.

[uponit7771]

113. Would it make a difference if that phrase was taken out of the OP?! No, come on...

[Bonobo]

114. Oh no, the rest is fairly shitty too.

But the fact that you would adopt the mindset of the rightwing punditry is pretty disturbing.

[uponit7771]

116. good honest humor, do you REALLY think the "Obama is spying on us" isn't repeated ad nausea in

...freeperlund?

REALLY?!

[HangOnKids]

133. ad nausea

Is that additional barfing?

[MFM008]

118. I just dont see a Warren president.

I think many voters want a centrist. Just because we democrats think shes great, many goppers think Palin and Bachmann are terrific.

[99Forever]

119. What pure, unmitigated stinking bullshit.

To the trash with this POS post.

I detest status quo tools.

[uponit7771]

137. Thx for that well thought throw explanation of your position

[99Forever]

153. You're welcome.

It was far more than the putrid pile of natural fertilizer OP actually deserved.

[SammyWinstonJack]

120. ...

[limpyhobbler]

122. I don't expect it to be raining ponies.

But Liz Warren would probably at least know which way to run with the ball.

She won't grab the ball and run in the wrong direction to score for the other team.

[HangOnKids]

134. Exactly! Why so many here think playing for TEAM 1% is crazy great boggles my mind

Yeah the rich got richer and we are fucking stuck and sinking. Is that the pom pom cheer?

[uponit7771]

138. ...doesn't matter, I said even if she tries... To say Obama hasn't tried is not even rational.

[limpyhobbler]

143. ...it completely does matter... To say Obama has tried is not even rational.

[uponit7771]

144. Obama has NOT tried immigration reform?! Obama has NOT tried a more rational approach to

...the middle east?!

Again, I like facts...there are plenty that discount your assertion

http://whatthefuckhasobamadonesofar.com/

[limpyhobbler]

147. oh sorry I thought we were talking about some other issues that were also very important to me

He probably did awesome on immigration reform, so that's nice

[liberal_at_heart]

125. at this point I would settle for a politician who does not take money from corporations and who

fights. I want someone who is willing to fight whether we win or not, just show the people you stand with them and are willing to go into battle with them. Please. There are so many people who are just so desperate for a leader who will stand with them and not with the corporations. That's all I ask of Warren or of any of them.

[uponit7771]

140. K, so the SECOND.. the SECOND Warren takes a slick penny from ANYONE related to a corp you'd

...have outlook on her?!

NO!

Come on, again...lets set the expectations REASONABLE.

I don't expect a greedy money grabber but to say ALL cash has to be UNRELATED (ie no money from corps) isn't reasonable.

There has to be a middle ground.

Also, Obama "fighting" whether we win or not is useless and symbolic

Obama having a 83% progressive congress like FDR did is MORE constructive

[liberal_at_heart]

152. no, no middle ground for me. I'm tired of middle ground. We've had middle ground since Reagan.

If politicians want to take money from corporations I will stay home or vote third party. The entire system is broken and I'm sick of it. I'm sick of the whole damn thing.

[treestar]

157. How did she finance her Senate campaign?

[WI_DEM]

139. If Hillary Clinton runs, Warren will no doubt support her fellow New Yorker.

[bigtree]

142. pretty funny

. . . cause it has a ring of truth to it.

Although, I think Warren will continue to impress with her independence, integrity, and commitment to progressive ideals and initiatives.

[treestar]

146. AMEN! This is absolutely true!

She should also CLOSE GITMO with use of personal funds while putting Bushco into it.

They just don't get it. They don't want a separation of powers. They want a dictator who will do what they want. This is why they ignore 2014 and are looking for a new savior. Even if she could and does win, they will be disappointed within the year 2017 and start looking for a new savior.

Or just a show. They want her to speechify and say the things they want said no matter what happens. They will be happier with that show than with progress of any kind.

[uponit7771]

148. Exactly, it'll take about 9 months for the human Warren to show extreme no purity and they throw

...her under the bus too.

Also, if she throws her support towards Hillary then look what happens ... they'll STILL throw EW under the bus

[treestar]

151. Indeed. Only a corporatist would support Hillary!

Something about power. Being in the Senate, EW sold out!

I've been saying that if EW won, we'd be the ones supporting her as Democratic, and first female President. We'd be teased for "worshipping" her in the EWG (Elizabeth Warren Group) on DU. That's where we'd have to go to get away from the silly, unjustified, hair-on-fire attacks.