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cali

(114,904 posts)
Thu Aug 8, 2013, 08:17 AM Aug 2013

Are We So Inured To War That When A New Front Opens, We Just Shrug

and turn away, or ignore that it's happening altogether?

Do we feel so completely helpless to stop something as vague and amorphous as the war on terror that we'd rather not even talk about it?

The War On Terror is flaring up again, but why? What's the deal with AQAP? Are they resurgent? Why? Cui bono?

It seems like the War on Terror is just background noise for the vast majority of Americans, including DUers. Granted there are other real issues and lots of distractions, like penises in wine bottles in Australia. This is alarming stuff. I'm sure there are lots of fat cats quietly celebrating over it; more weapons systems for them to sell. For the rest of us, it's anything but good.

Maybe we should start calling it the Decades War. We're already into the 2nd decade. It's good news for the military-industrial complex.

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Are We So Inured To War That When A New Front Opens, We Just Shrug (Original Post) cali Aug 2013 OP
war is peace PowerToThePeople Aug 2013 #1
A briliant passage from a novel becomes a cliche and then leaps to life cali Aug 2013 #2
Yes and yes. djean111 Aug 2013 #3
Yes. The WOT replaced the Cold War. The PTB are working on Cold War II.... Junkdrawer Aug 2013 #4
yes, that's it. the new Cold War- except it's a hot war cali Aug 2013 #6
Second thought, they may merge... Junkdrawer Aug 2013 #7
oh fuck. gee thanks. hadn't thought of that. what a cheerful way to cali Aug 2013 #8
That's probably the single most discouraging thing about being on DU for the last four years or so Fumesucker Aug 2013 #9
Yes it is. this morning someone posted, re Yemen cali Aug 2013 #14
I've been watching the demonizing of China and Russia in the media for some time now... Junkdrawer Aug 2013 #13
It's far more fucked up than that. We're aligned with Al Qaeda in Syria, while Russia supports Assad JVS Aug 2013 #15
I know Junkdrawer Aug 2013 #16
William Blum notes we've been at war pretty steady since 1950. Octafish Aug 2013 #5
how can anyone watch the Manning video dtom67 Aug 2013 #10
The one where the helicopter shot a group of armed men out after curfew? Recursion Aug 2013 #12
Curfew, in the middle of the day? Shooting up a van with children in it? RC Aug 2013 #19
I think he means the one that shows all the war crimes. reusrename Aug 2013 #20
it appears that you don't understand, or really know much about this incident at all frylock Aug 2013 #22
Are we talking about "Collateral Murder"? Recursion Aug 2013 #23
yes, the collateral murder video.. frylock Aug 2013 #24
Edit: sorry, it was 9:30 am Recursion Aug 2013 #25
night vision w/shadows????? Junkdrawer Aug 2013 #26
You get shadows from the dawn in the east Recursion Aug 2013 #27
night vision at 09:53 no less.. frylock Aug 2013 #32
the two helicopters left Camp Taji at 9:24am.. frylock Aug 2013 #28
9:30 AM is after curfew...and it's night vision....and.... Junkdrawer Aug 2013 #31
yeah, you get those long shadows in the dawns early light.. frylock Aug 2013 #33
Edited above. I was wrong about the time Recursion Aug 2013 #35
the two kids lit up by the 30mm double-tap.. frylock Aug 2013 #29
No, they were in a van that had stopped to help one Recursion Aug 2013 #36
Hey, we're in the Tenth Millennium of War Amonester Aug 2013 #11
Sorry for my cynical comment....But...We've been "Baited and Switched." KoKo Aug 2013 #17
You're right. They have been institutionalized and that's such bad news cali Aug 2013 #18
+1 leftstreet Aug 2013 #21
It's certainly sad to see the democrats just sit back and let it happen. We've known all along that liberal_at_heart Aug 2013 #30
You don't think Democrats supported war in the past? Drunken Irishman Aug 2013 #34
 

cali

(114,904 posts)
2. A briliant passage from a novel becomes a cliche and then leaps to life
Thu Aug 8, 2013, 08:22 AM
Aug 2013

over and over and over again.

We have always been at war with Eastasia.

 

djean111

(14,255 posts)
3. Yes and yes.
Thu Aug 8, 2013, 08:27 AM
Aug 2013

We casually read about a drone strike on "suspected" militants, click on the next story after reading that children were killed accidentally, and attack truth to power, demanding punishment - not to the power, but to the truth teller.

In today's world, the child who pointed out that the emperor has no clothes would be in deep trouble.

Junkdrawer

(27,993 posts)
4. Yes. The WOT replaced the Cold War. The PTB are working on Cold War II....
Thu Aug 8, 2013, 08:29 AM
Aug 2013

and, when that's fully in place, I expect the WOT to be benched until needed again.

 

cali

(114,904 posts)
6. yes, that's it. the new Cold War- except it's a hot war
Thu Aug 8, 2013, 08:51 AM
Aug 2013

I don't see CWII taking its place any time soon.

Junkdrawer

(27,993 posts)
7. Second thought, they may merge...
Thu Aug 8, 2013, 09:10 AM
Aug 2013

Proxy wars on terror with Russia on the side of the terrorists.

Is there no end to Vlad's evil?

 

cali

(114,904 posts)
8. oh fuck. gee thanks. hadn't thought of that. what a cheerful way to
Thu Aug 8, 2013, 09:12 AM
Aug 2013

begin the day.

And people will support it. Hell, look at all the people supporting the WoT right here on DU because there's a D in the White House.

Fumesucker

(45,851 posts)
9. That's probably the single most discouraging thing about being on DU for the last four years or so
Thu Aug 8, 2013, 09:17 AM
Aug 2013

All of a sudden "nuance" about war became remarkably popular.

 

cali

(114,904 posts)
14. Yes it is. this morning someone posted, re Yemen
Thu Aug 8, 2013, 09:37 AM
Aug 2013

that it was justified because of the U.S.S. Cole and the Kenyan Embassy bombings.

It's not just nuance about war that's become remarkably popular, it's war itself. And lots of other issues that folks were opposed to when a repub admin was in the White House.

Talk about it and one is an Obama hating firebagger professional leftist racist. Here's the thing: I like President Obama but I can't just ignore this stuff because he's a democrat.

Junkdrawer

(27,993 posts)
13. I've been watching the demonizing of China and Russia in the media for some time now...
Thu Aug 8, 2013, 09:37 AM
Aug 2013

Ever since China had the temerity of out-bidding us on war spoils.

Then China turned to Russia to get a jump start on the Arms Race.

About this time, Snowden shows up.....

JVS

(61,935 posts)
15. It's far more fucked up than that. We're aligned with Al Qaeda in Syria, while Russia supports Assad
Thu Aug 8, 2013, 09:40 AM
Aug 2013

Octafish

(55,745 posts)
5. William Blum notes we've been at war pretty steady since 1950.
Thu Aug 8, 2013, 08:30 AM
Aug 2013
http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Blum/KillingHope_page.html

Then the War Party's George W Bush gave us this at a press conference:

"Money trumps peace." Not even one reporter dared ask a follow-up on what he meant.

http://election.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=3208027

dtom67

(634 posts)
10. how can anyone watch the Manning video
Thu Aug 8, 2013, 09:19 AM
Aug 2013

Of the "helicopter assassination attempt" and not see the sheer injustice? You cannot fight terrorism by killing innocents. What if one of those killed in such an attack( or a drone attack ) was your wife, husband, or child? Would Vengence not be your Due?
If you watch the Movie "Red Dawn", do you see the "Wolverines" as freedom fighters or terrorists? I believe many feel patriotic sentements when seeing this film. It isn't hard to feel empathy for those innocents killed in our clumsy drone strikes. All it requires is seeing them as Human beings.......

Recursion

(56,582 posts)
12. The one where the helicopter shot a group of armed men out after curfew?
Thu Aug 8, 2013, 09:22 AM
Aug 2013

I've never really understood the freak-out about that one, personally

 

RC

(25,592 posts)
19. Curfew, in the middle of the day? Shooting up a van with children in it?
Thu Aug 8, 2013, 10:19 AM
Aug 2013

By a military that invaded THEIR country? A country that can't harm us? So that makes it OK by you?
Can't understand the freak out? Maybe it was the mass murder, of people (children are people too) that lived there by invaders, from a safe distance. That video is yet more evidence of war crimes by us. And you condone what the crew did? What is wrong with you?

 

reusrename

(1,716 posts)
20. I think he means the one that shows all the war crimes.
Thu Aug 8, 2013, 12:39 PM
Aug 2013

Civilians armed with cameras are shot, then rescuers are gunned down.

Clearly a war crime under US law.

The fact that they also killed a couple of little kids that were with the rescuers, well, that's really just collateral damage. As one of the helicopter guncrew says: "serves 'em right for bringing their kids to a war."

Recursion

(56,582 posts)
25. Edit: sorry, it was 9:30 am
Thu Aug 8, 2013, 03:05 PM
Aug 2013

The journalist was in a group of armed men, which is still why they had permission to fire

Recursion

(56,582 posts)
27. You get shadows from the dawn in the east
Thu Aug 8, 2013, 03:16 PM
Aug 2013

So I guess "extremely early morning" is more accurate than "night", but it was after curfew. And the men were armed. The video (and remember Assange cut the 20 minutes of it where men are firing at the helicopter) corroborated the initial report the DoD had done on the incident.

frylock

(34,825 posts)
28. the two helicopters left Camp Taji at 9:24am..
Thu Aug 8, 2013, 03:24 PM
Aug 2013

According to Tom Cohen, a reporter at CNN, "the soldiers of Bravo Company 2-16 Infantry had been under fire all morning from rocket-propelled grenades and small arms on the first day of Operation Ilaaj in Baghdad". Al Jazeera stated that the Army had received "reports of small arms fire", but were unable to positively identify the gunmen. Apache helicopters were called in by a soldier in the Humvee (Hotel 2/6) under attack from the same position used by Namir Noor-Eldeen to photograph the vehicle. According to a military review, soldiers in that company "had been under sporadic small arms and rocket propelled grenade fire since" the operation—described as "clearing their sector and looking for weapons caches"—began.

The Air Weapons Team (AWT) of two Apache AH-64s (part of the 1st Cavalry Division) had been requested by the Army's 2–16 Infantry Battalion, under the command of Lieutenant Colonel Ralph Kauzlarich, before July 12 to support Operation Ilaaj. Tasked to conduct escort, armed reconnaissance patrols, counter-IED and counter-mortar operations, the two helicopters left Camp Taji at 9:24am. They arrived on station in New Baghdad at 9:53am, where, according to the official report, sporadic attacks on coalition forces continued.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/July_12,_2007_Baghdad_airstrike#Incidents

Recursion

(56,582 posts)
36. No, they were in a van that had stopped to help one
Thu Aug 8, 2013, 03:32 PM
Aug 2013

Vans picking up legal targets are legal targets.

KoKo

(84,711 posts)
17. Sorry for my cynical comment....But...We've been "Baited and Switched."
Thu Aug 8, 2013, 10:00 AM
Aug 2013

Those of us who thought the Bush policies (Neo-Con/Neo-Lib) would be overturned.

They have now been institutionalized. And, it ain't over...gonna get worse. And, that so many cheer this on...their gleefulness get's a bit ott.

 

cali

(114,904 posts)
18. You're right. They have been institutionalized and that's such bad news
Thu Aug 8, 2013, 10:06 AM
Aug 2013

so much harder to root out institutionalized policies.

The support for these policies from dems and supposed liberals cements this institutionalization.

liberal_at_heart

(12,081 posts)
30. It's certainly sad to see the democrats just sit back and let it happen. We've known all along that
Thu Aug 8, 2013, 03:26 PM
Aug 2013

the republicans love war, but now the democrats do too. We are in big trouble. We are a young country. Our violent founding is still very fresh in our minds and part of our national pride. We associate national pride with war. It may take many decades before we get tired of war.

 

Drunken Irishman

(34,857 posts)
34. You don't think Democrats supported war in the past?
Thu Aug 8, 2013, 03:30 PM
Aug 2013

America's involvement in World War I came under a Democratic president. America's involvement in World War II came under a Democratic president. America's involvement in Korea came under a Democratic president. America's escalation in Vietnam came under a Democratic president.

Let's stop with the revisionist history. Every Democratic president since Wilson has invested in war.

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