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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsAre We So Inured To War That When A New Front Opens, We Just Shrug
and turn away, or ignore that it's happening altogether?
Do we feel so completely helpless to stop something as vague and amorphous as the war on terror that we'd rather not even talk about it?
The War On Terror is flaring up again, but why? What's the deal with AQAP? Are they resurgent? Why? Cui bono?
It seems like the War on Terror is just background noise for the vast majority of Americans, including DUers. Granted there are other real issues and lots of distractions, like penises in wine bottles in Australia. This is alarming stuff. I'm sure there are lots of fat cats quietly celebrating over it; more weapons systems for them to sell. For the rest of us, it's anything but good.
Maybe we should start calling it the Decades War. We're already into the 2nd decade. It's good news for the military-industrial complex.
PowerToThePeople
(9,610 posts)cali
(114,904 posts)over and over and over again.
We have always been at war with Eastasia.
djean111
(14,255 posts)We casually read about a drone strike on "suspected" militants, click on the next story after reading that children were killed accidentally, and attack truth to power, demanding punishment - not to the power, but to the truth teller.
In today's world, the child who pointed out that the emperor has no clothes would be in deep trouble.
Junkdrawer
(27,993 posts)and, when that's fully in place, I expect the WOT to be benched until needed again.
cali
(114,904 posts)I don't see CWII taking its place any time soon.
Junkdrawer
(27,993 posts)Proxy wars on terror with Russia on the side of the terrorists.
Is there no end to Vlad's evil?
cali
(114,904 posts)begin the day.
And people will support it. Hell, look at all the people supporting the WoT right here on DU because there's a D in the White House.
Fumesucker
(45,851 posts)All of a sudden "nuance" about war became remarkably popular.
cali
(114,904 posts)that it was justified because of the U.S.S. Cole and the Kenyan Embassy bombings.
It's not just nuance about war that's become remarkably popular, it's war itself. And lots of other issues that folks were opposed to when a repub admin was in the White House.
Talk about it and one is an Obama hating firebagger professional leftist racist. Here's the thing: I like President Obama but I can't just ignore this stuff because he's a democrat.
Junkdrawer
(27,993 posts)Ever since China had the temerity of out-bidding us on war spoils.
Then China turned to Russia to get a jump start on the Arms Race.
About this time, Snowden shows up.....
JVS
(61,935 posts)Octafish
(55,745 posts)Then the War Party's George W Bush gave us this at a press conference:
"Money trumps peace." Not even one reporter dared ask a follow-up on what he meant.
http://election.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=3208027
dtom67
(634 posts)Of the "helicopter assassination attempt" and not see the sheer injustice? You cannot fight terrorism by killing innocents. What if one of those killed in such an attack( or a drone attack ) was your wife, husband, or child? Would Vengence not be your Due?
If you watch the Movie "Red Dawn", do you see the "Wolverines" as freedom fighters or terrorists? I believe many feel patriotic sentements when seeing this film. It isn't hard to feel empathy for those innocents killed in our clumsy drone strikes. All it requires is seeing them as Human beings.......
Recursion
(56,582 posts)I've never really understood the freak-out about that one, personally
RC
(25,592 posts)By a military that invaded THEIR country? A country that can't harm us? So that makes it OK by you?
Can't understand the freak out? Maybe it was the mass murder, of people (children are people too) that lived there by invaders, from a safe distance. That video is yet more evidence of war crimes by us. And you condone what the crew did? What is wrong with you?
reusrename
(1,716 posts)Civilians armed with cameras are shot, then rescuers are gunned down.
Clearly a war crime under US law.
The fact that they also killed a couple of little kids that were with the rescuers, well, that's really just collateral damage. As one of the helicopter guncrew says: "serves 'em right for bringing their kids to a war."
frylock
(34,825 posts)Recursion
(56,582 posts)Or is there another video?
frylock
(34,825 posts)broad daylight, journos and civilians double-tapped.
Recursion
(56,582 posts)The journalist was in a group of armed men, which is still why they had permission to fire
Junkdrawer
(27,993 posts)Recursion
(56,582 posts)So I guess "extremely early morning" is more accurate than "night", but it was after curfew. And the men were armed. The video (and remember Assange cut the 20 minutes of it where men are firing at the helicopter) corroborated the initial report the DoD had done on the incident.
frylock
(34,825 posts)you know, the wee early hours of almost 10 in the morning.
frylock
(34,825 posts)According to Tom Cohen, a reporter at CNN, "the soldiers of Bravo Company 2-16 Infantry had been under fire all morning from rocket-propelled grenades and small arms on the first day of Operation Ilaaj in Baghdad". Al Jazeera stated that the Army had received "reports of small arms fire", but were unable to positively identify the gunmen. Apache helicopters were called in by a soldier in the Humvee (Hotel 2/6) under attack from the same position used by Namir Noor-Eldeen to photograph the vehicle. According to a military review, soldiers in that company "had been under sporadic small arms and rocket propelled grenade fire since" the operationdescribed as "clearing their sector and looking for weapons caches"began.
The Air Weapons Team (AWT) of two Apache AH-64s (part of the 1st Cavalry Division) had been requested by the Army's 216 Infantry Battalion, under the command of Lieutenant Colonel Ralph Kauzlarich, before July 12 to support Operation Ilaaj. Tasked to conduct escort, armed reconnaissance patrols, counter-IED and counter-mortar operations, the two helicopters left Camp Taji at 9:24am. They arrived on station in New Baghdad at 9:53am, where, according to the official report, sporadic attacks on coalition forces continued.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/July_12,_2007_Baghdad_airstrike#Incidents
Junkdrawer
(27,993 posts)so full of shit his eyes are brown
frylock
(34,825 posts)where so proudly we hailed.....
Recursion
(56,582 posts)The armed men were still armed
frylock
(34,825 posts)were they too in a group of armed men?
Recursion
(56,582 posts)Vans picking up legal targets are legal targets.
Amonester
(11,541 posts)Where have you been?
KoKo
(84,711 posts)Those of us who thought the Bush policies (Neo-Con/Neo-Lib) would be overturned.
They have now been institutionalized. And, it ain't over...gonna get worse. And, that so many cheer this on...their gleefulness get's a bit ott.
cali
(114,904 posts)so much harder to root out institutionalized policies.
The support for these policies from dems and supposed liberals cements this institutionalization.
liberal_at_heart
(12,081 posts)the republicans love war, but now the democrats do too. We are in big trouble. We are a young country. Our violent founding is still very fresh in our minds and part of our national pride. We associate national pride with war. It may take many decades before we get tired of war.
Drunken Irishman
(34,857 posts)America's involvement in World War I came under a Democratic president. America's involvement in World War II came under a Democratic president. America's involvement in Korea came under a Democratic president. America's escalation in Vietnam came under a Democratic president.
Let's stop with the revisionist history. Every Democratic president since Wilson has invested in war.