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madville

(7,404 posts)
Sat Aug 10, 2013, 12:35 AM Aug 2013

I remember mandatory overtime at work

20 years ago, I worked for a corporation and we were required to work 70-80 hours a week or we knew where the door was. It was hourly and time-and-a-half after 40 hours so at least we were making money.

Another job back then in that same era was about 60 hours required a week. I remember hating it back then but now I see how people would love to have those hours today for financial reasons.

Nowadays it's mandatory part-time for many, almost seems like a complete reversal.

I know my current full-time job (have a part-time one as well) is very strict about no overtime these days, no comp time, nothing. I hit 40 hours last Friday at 9am after being there two hours and went home.

How is it for others out there, those lucky enough to still be employed or those tryingto get back into it, what are you seeing in the job market?

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Cleita

(75,480 posts)
1. I had a six day a week job, but I got paid time and a half for the extra day,
Sat Aug 10, 2013, 12:40 AM
Aug 2013

time and a half for every hour worked over eight hours in a day and time and a half if I worked Sundays, double time on holidays. I resented having to work so many hours too, but the pay checks were nice.

 

B Calm

(28,762 posts)
2. I worked 60 hours a week for the past 6 years with no time and half
Sat Aug 10, 2013, 12:44 AM
Aug 2013

at all. Truck driving has different rules than the rest of our population. Thank god I retired in April, I was getting pretty tired of going to work.

madville

(7,404 posts)
3. Paid by the mile?
Sat Aug 10, 2013, 12:47 AM
Aug 2013

I remember our driver's at one company in the 90's would run multiple log books, they were probably driving over 100 hours a week easily.

 

SheilaT

(23,156 posts)
4. I was an airline ticket agent from 1969 to 1979.
Sat Aug 10, 2013, 01:09 AM
Aug 2013

There was lots of mandatory overtime. Flights would be late. Another agent would call in sick. Someone had quit and a new person hadn't been hired yet. I often tell people that there were times when we called up morning shift at 3 o'clock in the morning (when we should have all gone home at 10pm the night before) and asked them if they could please come in a couple of hours early so we could go home. They always came in for us. We did get time and a half for going over 8 hours in a given day -- we were not union in my job, but we benefitted from the unions in other areas. I repeat: we got time and a half whenever we went over 8 hours in the day, not just 40 hours in the week. Thank you, unions.

On the other hand, we (outside of the overtime) worked five days a week, fifty weeks a year. Two weeks paid vacation. We NEVER got holidays off. Never. We did get time and a half for working on a holiday, plus 8 hours of straight time, so the money was good. But it did tend to make us very irritated at the office workers who got ten paid holidays a year. That's two extra weeks off. Sigh.

The other up side was that for the first few years I had a work schedule we called a rotating shift -- we worked various shifts, but our genius of a shift supervisor had it figured out so that we got a four day weekend every four, five, or six weeks, depending on how many people, four, five or six, were on the schedule. Plus, we were free to trade days off, so it wasn't very hard to get five or six days off in a row. With the travel benefits (basically free travel anywhere in the world) it was heaven. Yeah, you might work ten days in a straight, but then you got a four day weekend plus you'd trade with another agent and get two more days off and go to London. Or Paris. Or wherever. There was one time in that job when for an entire year if I had more than two days off in a row I could not be found within the continental United States. But in the long haul, we still got less time off than a regular office worker.

Because of the work habits I acquired from that time in my life, I tend not to think I'm entitled to any time off beyond my weekends and maybe two weeks vacation a year. As a consequence, I've been in my current job for a little over three years and I currently have 31 days in my leave bank. I'm still paid hourly, and I do get paid for all of the time I put in. This year I've actually taken almost all my accrued leave time, and it feels incredibly luxurious.

I want to tell those who put up with being required to work extra hours they're not being paid for, to refuse to do so. I do understand that I'm not in your shoes, and I don't know the realities of your situation, but if you give them an inch they'll take a mile.

Where I currently work, an administrative assistant told me a few weeks ago, when she stopped by my work station to give me some instructions on a small project I needed to do, that she was off the clock. I told her she should NEVER work off the clock. If she can't get everything done while on the clock then they need to pay overtime or maybe hire a temp. A couple of days ago, when she was again giving me instructions for a small project, she told me she was on the clock and she would not work off the clock again. If some of the work doesn't get done, then management needs to understand they pay her overtime or hire more people. Good for her.

Our collective ancestors literally fought and died for an 8 hour day, overtime, paid vacation, and so on. I hope we don't lose sight of that.

hfojvt

(37,573 posts)
6. I sorta work off the clock all the time
Sat Aug 10, 2013, 01:30 AM
Aug 2013

If there is a wedding reception tomorrow, then things MUST be done tonight. Or if the base commander is having a reception tomorrow then the floor MUST be waxed tonight.

But I keep track of it. I am on my 2nd sheet with 3 columns of numbers showing +3 hours, -2 hours, +.25 hours and so on. Four weeks ago, I had worked 10.5 hours that I had not gotten paid for, but I chipped away at that and got it back down to zero.

Even today though, I put in a long day. Went in at noon, worked until 6, went home, came back at 7:45 and worked until 9:45. Technically an 8 hour day, but it took about ten hours of my time before the damned thing was over.

Just another one of the things I hate about this job, but I am stuck with it until I get a better one, which I have only been looking for these last eleven years. Or until I pass through the 3 years, seven months and two weeks until I can take early retirement (not that anybody is counting or holding their breath).

hfojvt

(37,573 posts)
5. I never had a job that required that kind of hours
Sat Aug 10, 2013, 01:12 AM
Aug 2013

I would not have tolerated it. I hate even working 40 hours a week. One job where I worked as a temp required some ten hour days and also an extra half day, but I was only there for 6 days. I interviewed for a position there after I was there for 3 days, and didn't get hired. Talked to HR and they said "we will hire more people when we need them" and I was thinking "how are you going to need them when you have temps working 44 hours a week?"

My thinking was that I will work as a temp-to-hire, but not as a temp-to-be-jerked-around.

But then I basically ended up working as temp at another factory for three years before I left Iowa, the land of no jobs. At that factory, they worked 12 hour days, so there was basically 8 hours of overtime every week.

But they only paid half of it. With a four day work week, it cycled every 7 weeks
Su-M-Tu-W (Th,F,Sa, Su off) 48
M-Tu-W-Th (F,Sa, Su,M off) 48
Tu-W-Th-F (Sa, Su, M, Tu off) 48
W-Th-Fr-Sa (Su, M, Tu, W off) 48
Th-Fr-Sa-/Su 36
F-Sa-/Su-M 36/36
Sa-/Su-M-Tu 36

but their payweek was Sunday through Saturday so you would get 4 paychecks of 48 hours and then 4 paychecks of 36 hours (no overtime).

For the non-temps though, they would pay the overtime. Those people would get paid 40 hours instead of 36, but the company acted like it was a gift. I told some co-workers that the 4 hours was just the half from the 1.5 that they SHOULD have been paying on the 8 hours of overtime - so it was NOT a gift at all.

That company also had LOTS of overtime, there would probably be two or three people working overtime on every shift. They had a mandatory list (where they would go through the alphabet every week with 5 people being on the mandatory list) but if you did not want to take it you could always find somebody else who would.

My first factory job had very little overtime. I weaseled a few hours out on a snow day once when many on first shift did not make it. They used to play the dirty trick during holiday weeks, they would make us work 9 hour days that whole week since the extra hour would not be paid time and a half. That pissed me off so much that I slowed down my crew of three, trying to make sure we only produced 8 hours worth of output for the nine hours we worked.

Since I started working for the city in 2002, the city budget has been pretty tight, so I never got overtime. As a part-timer though, I did pick up a fair amount of extra hours because I was the goto guy for filling in for the full timers when they were sick or on vacation.

Since I took over as supervisor, I have been very tight with the hours. Payroll costs for part timers were down about $10,000 from the previous two years before I was supervisor. They also have been saving money by using part-timer temps to cover what once was a full time job. The temps don't get the benefits that even the regular part-timers get.

The city recently slashed the budget by $300,000 so they wouldn't have to raise the mil rate.

 

peace13

(11,076 posts)
7. At the assisted living unit where I frequent the nurses can only work a 32 hour per week schedule..
Sat Aug 10, 2013, 01:32 AM
Aug 2013

Because their charting or emergencies MAY take them over forty paid hours. They do not want to pay overtime. On the other hand when someone calls off and they are short staffed the admin comes in and says that someone from the shift WILL stay over and fill the void. These folks don't get overtime and pretty much their home life is determined by the powers that be at work. It is a bad situation all around. Minimum wage and most weeks short of 40 hours...go figure?

tabbycat31

(6,336 posts)
10. I work 60+ hours a week
Sat Aug 10, 2013, 10:49 AM
Aug 2013

However, I am on salary and overtime is unheard of in my field (I'm a political consultant, but I'm working at a nonprofit now).

This is the lightest work week I've seen since starting to work in my field.

Political work is not typical of most jobs. Most jobs don't require you to relocate on 36 hours notice.

Lurker Deluxe

(1,036 posts)
11. I've been here ten years now.
Sat Aug 10, 2013, 10:58 AM
Aug 2013

I average 650 hours of overtime a year.

I have 600 already this year. We've been busy as hell and currently are working 7 days a week, between 10-12 hours a day. It is very common for service jobs to run these kinds of hours. We have been trying to hire people for two years and have serious issues finding and keeping people who are willing to work in this industry.

I have already done my time and do not travel much anymore, and even more seldom do I find myself offshore, but when you are hired on you have to expect you will travel 250 days a year and spend 200+ of it in some miserable ass place.

But, it pays very well. I have not made under 6 figures in the 10 years here, and have hit the SS cap a couple times.

skip fox

(19,356 posts)
12. In 1968 I worked for a major auto company and when we were
Sat Aug 10, 2013, 11:01 AM
Aug 2013

behind in parts (power-steering pumps), even in UAW we hd to work overtime depending on seniority.

Avalux

(35,015 posts)
13. I have a salaried job, overtime isn't ever compensated.
Sat Aug 10, 2013, 11:11 AM
Aug 2013

In my position the expectation is that if the work needs to be done, it gets done. That means working evenings and weekends sometimes.

On a different note, my company has eliminated vacation time. I will no longer accumulate time off with the guarantee of a certain amount of vacation time every year. Now if I want time off I simply ask my boss, who decides if being absent will or will not adversely impact the business. Luckily I have a good boss, but if I didn't, could be a nightmare.

This move will save the business money since they will no longer be required have to funds in the bank to back up accrued vacation time, and if a tenured employee is let go, won't have to pay out for accrued vacation time.

LWolf

(46,179 posts)
14. My contract
Sat Aug 10, 2013, 11:46 AM
Aug 2013

says that I work a certain number of days a year, a certain number of hours a day, for my salary.

Of course, it also says that I fulfill all contractual duties in that time, and that simply can't be done. There are more duties than hours in the work day.

So I work an average of 4 weeks or so for free, counting the non-contract days I show up to set up, keep up, and take down, and I work at least 2 extra unpaid hours every actual work day, sometimes 3 or 4.

That's mandatory overtime with not only no "time and a half," but no pay at all.

I also spend significant time and $$ outside the contract keeping my license current.

And then I get told by the public that I'm on a gravy train, working only 6 hours a day and getting all of that time off.



Populist_Prole

(5,364 posts)
15. Where I work there's no need for mandatory OT because so many voluntarily take it
Sat Aug 10, 2013, 01:03 PM
Aug 2013

And "voluntarily" is putting it mildly. They'll claw each other's eyes out to get to work it.

Unionized hourly place. OT is in 8 hour blocks at 1.5 time, so working OT ( before or after your normal shift ) means a 17 hour day, though some will be called and can work it on their regular days off ( it's a 24/7/365 operation ). The way it works, that is, to make it fair, is when they need x number of bodies, someone is called from home or on their cell or asked verbally if they want OT. If they work and accept it they are "charged" that amount of time in hours and descend the list, leaving the next person a crack at it. Declining it charges you the same. So many here try to live beyond their means, are hard up financially, or are single earner's in a greedy family that the number of people wanting overtime far exceeds the company's need for it, hence "the list". It can be very hotly contested with many arguing with each other over how their hours were calculated or other restrictive eligibility requirements and lots of accusations of people manipulating the list for their personal advantage. Throw a quarter in against the wall and 20 people will butt their heads into the wall and each other to chase it.

Me, I don't work it. It's everything I can do to get through a 40 hour week in all weather with middle of the week days off and working all the holidays. I live comfortably but modestly. The "OT whores" are all exhausted, ashen faced people that look like shit. Gotta have the McMansion on golf community, boat, flashy cars, and every gadget known to man. As far as I know the only people that can enjoy all that crap is their families. No Danke.

TBF

(32,004 posts)
16. Sure - I was a litigation paralegal in the 90s
Sat Aug 10, 2013, 01:10 PM
Aug 2013

trial work was often mandatory, but we were well compensated by the large firms. O/T (time and a half) after 40 hrs, double time on weekends, triple time on holidays (yes, it was good - many of us routinely made 6-figures). I hired clerks to take extra work when I got to the 80 hr point because that was enough for me - I was already more than doubling my salary.

The lawyers wouldn't give most of us true salaried position because they wanted us to be staff. We weren't licensed in any way so they didn't want us taking on too much and getting accused of practicing law without a license etc.

It was good $$$ for the time that I did it. Now I would guess a lot of that work we did is computerized and/or outsourced.

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