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This New Yorker article is a real eye opener. (Original Post) ballardgirl Aug 2013 OP
legal theft G_j Aug 2013 #1
Making law enforcement a profit making venture is insane Vinnie From Indy Aug 2013 #2
But at least we're better than Russia... AppleBottom Aug 2013 #3
How? n/t MattSh Aug 2013 #8
How to what? AppleBottom Aug 2013 #15
Wow. How is this not indicative of a police state? Democracyinkind Aug 2013 #4
Nothing but thugs. Solly Mack Aug 2013 #5
Kick for asset forfeiture reform. Stop legalized thievery. Comrade Grumpy Aug 2013 #6
I wonder if there are any "safe" states in the US. God knows the whole South is a cesspool valerief Aug 2013 #7
F.E.A.R. ballardgirl Aug 2013 #10
Thanks! Maine looks like the ONLY state that won't screw you. nt valerief Aug 2013 #14
HUGE K & R !!! WillyT Aug 2013 #9
'The Good Wife' had a story line about this last year. progressoid Aug 2013 #11
So, what's the difference between giving your money to the police in exchange for...... W T F Aug 2013 #12
i don't see any difference. it *is* bribery -- and extortion. HiPointDem Aug 2013 #13
they use to call it Cryptoad Aug 2013 #20
it's interesting to me that government &/or corporations have taken over so many former mafia HiPointDem Aug 2013 #27
Wow Stargazer09 Aug 2013 #16
Worcester, Ma has been confiscating vehicles for many years. Flatulo Aug 2013 #17
How does that not violate this: elehhhhna Aug 2013 #18
I guess you are unaware of the shadow Constitution that goes with our shadow government. nm rhett o rick Aug 2013 #34
This is what the lost of "Real" Rights Cryptoad Aug 2013 #19
Next up, cash sniffing dogs. Spitfire of ATJ Aug 2013 #21
LOL! You crack me up! Flatulo Aug 2013 #22
My husband says ballardgirl Aug 2013 #23
From the article: whttevrr Aug 2013 #24
The War On Drugs turns police into just another gang of thugs. nt RedCappedBandit Aug 2013 #25
If the police in Tenaha were honest, they'd fly pirate flags on their antennas. Shrike47 Aug 2013 #26
+1 leftstreet Aug 2013 #28
WOW!! that is a chilling story - Douglas Carpenter Aug 2013 #29
It astounds me that these laws are still on the books. surrealAmerican Aug 2013 #30
My father used to say that the only thing we own is our education. Now he would add that this was jwirr Aug 2013 #31
This is the result of the War on Drugs RainDog Aug 2013 #32
glad this issue is getting lots of attention Liberal_in_LA Aug 2013 #33

G_j

(40,366 posts)
1. legal theft
Sat Aug 10, 2013, 01:21 PM
Aug 2013

“The protections our Constitution usually affords are out the window,” Louis Rulli, a clinical law professor at the University of Pennsylvania and a leading forfeiture expert, observes. A piece of property does not share the rights of a person. There’s no right to an attorney and, in most states, no presumption of innocence. Owners who wish to contest often find that the cost of hiring a lawyer far exceeds the value of their seized goods. Washington, D.C., charges up to twenty-five hundred dollars simply for the right to challenge a police seizure in court, which can take months or even years to resolve."

 

AppleBottom

(201 posts)
3. But at least we're better than Russia...
Sat Aug 10, 2013, 01:25 PM
Aug 2013

You see these actions are legal because some worthless politicians got together to write a law that stripped Americans of their rights. So you shouldn't complain you should just change the law. With MAGIC!

Or you could raise awareness about such injustices, protest across many different avenues, form a consensus and organize. Just like you're starting to do here. Thank you very much for posting this.

valerief

(53,235 posts)
7. I wonder if there are any "safe" states in the US. God knows the whole South is a cesspool
Sat Aug 10, 2013, 02:25 PM
Aug 2013

of civil liberty corruption.

ballardgirl

(145 posts)
10. F.E.A.R.
Sat Aug 10, 2013, 02:36 PM
Aug 2013

Forfeiture Endangers American Rights - http://www.fear.org/

I haven't checked out this organization but they do grade each state on the severity of their laws.

W T F

(1,146 posts)
12. So, what's the difference between giving your money to the police in exchange for......
Sat Aug 10, 2013, 02:40 PM
Aug 2013

not filing any charges, and bribery?

 

HiPointDem

(20,729 posts)
13. i don't see any difference. it *is* bribery -- and extortion.
Sat Aug 10, 2013, 02:43 PM
Aug 2013

a kind of 'legal' protection racket.

 

HiPointDem

(20,729 posts)
27. it's interesting to me that government &/or corporations have taken over so many former mafia
Sat Aug 10, 2013, 10:08 PM
Aug 2013

rackets. loan sharking, lotteries ("the numbers&quot , on-line gambling, prostitution in a semi-legal way (look at people like spitzer & the use of media to advertise). now the police with protection rackets.

all that's left is drugs. & imo, government & corporations have a big hand in those above the street level, too.

 

Flatulo

(5,005 posts)
17. Worcester, Ma has been confiscating vehicles for many years.
Sat Aug 10, 2013, 03:58 PM
Aug 2013

If you are even suspected of trying to buy drugs or solicit a streetwalker in the seedier parts of town, bye-bye Mercedes ES500. Or whatever.

The only legal hurdle to confiscation is probable cause. That's it.

These are the FBI's own guidelines on asset forfeiture.

http://m.fbi.gov/#http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/investigate/white_collar/asset-forfeiture

 

elehhhhna

(32,076 posts)
18. How does that not violate this:
Sat Aug 10, 2013, 04:06 PM
Aug 2013

The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.[1]

Cryptoad

(8,254 posts)
19. This is what the lost of "Real" Rights
Sat Aug 10, 2013, 04:16 PM
Aug 2013

looks like,,,,,,,this is the face of your real enemy, the RightWing,,,,,,, this should be your outrage ,,, yet the far left had rather worry about whether their email are being read by some computer somewhere!

LMAO

whttevrr

(2,345 posts)
24. From the article:
Sat Aug 10, 2013, 09:36 PM
Aug 2013
In 2011, he reports, fifty-eight local, county, and statewide police forces in Georgia brought in $2.76 million in forfeitures; more than half the items taken were worth less than six hundred and fifty dollars. With minimal oversight, police can then spend nearly all those proceeds, often without reporting where the money has gone.



During my time in East Texas, a police officer told me that if I ventured beyond Shelby County I’d learn that Tenaha was far from an outlier in the region. When I looked through courthouse records and talked with local interdiction officers in nearby counties, I saw what he meant. In Hunt County, Texas, I found officers scoring personal bonuses of up to twenty-six thousand dollars a year, straight from the forfeiture fund. In Titus County, forfeiture pays the assistant district attorney’s entire salary. Farther south, in Johnson County, I came upon a sheriff’s office that had confiscated an out-of-state driver’s cash, in the absence of contraband, in exchange for a handwritten receipt that gave the traveller no information about who had just taken his money, why, or how he might get it back


EDIT: Excerpt added

surrealAmerican

(11,360 posts)
30. It astounds me that these laws are still on the books.
Sat Aug 10, 2013, 10:41 PM
Aug 2013

Surely, there must have been numerous legal challenges. Why were they upheld?

jwirr

(39,215 posts)
31. My father used to say that the only thing we own is our education. Now he would add that this was
Sun Aug 11, 2013, 12:38 AM
Aug 2013

true only after we pay for it! But that is the one thing they cannot take from us.

RainDog

(28,784 posts)
32. This is the result of the War on Drugs
Sun Aug 11, 2013, 01:21 AM
Aug 2013

We need to entirely overhaul our criminal justice and sentencing system - starting with bullshit like this.

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