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Zorra

(27,670 posts)
Sat Aug 10, 2013, 05:16 PM Aug 2013

Thoreau: "It is not desirable to cultivate a respect for the law, so much as for the right.

The only obligation which I have a right to assume is to do at any time what I think right... Law never made men a whit more just; and, by means of their respect for it, even the well-disposed are daily made the agents of injustice."



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Thoreau: "It is not desirable to cultivate a respect for the law, so much as for the right. (Original Post) Zorra Aug 2013 OP
Warren 2016 (nt) NYC_SKP Aug 2013 #1
This. lumberjack_jeff Aug 2013 #2
But not everybody is born with the same moral code. Igel Aug 2013 #3
We can get into a long, complicated philosophical discussion about moral relativism, but it is Zorra Aug 2013 #4
^ Wilms Aug 2013 #5
Now THAT is some Thoreau. n/t DirkGently Aug 2013 #6
And this is why I find transcendentalism puerile Recursion Aug 2013 #7
The quote was actually relative to slavery. Zorra Aug 2013 #8
Which was also the government that ended slavery at immense cost of lives Recursion Aug 2013 #9
 

lumberjack_jeff

(33,224 posts)
2. This.
Sat Aug 10, 2013, 06:52 PM
Aug 2013

Everyone is born with a moral code. Injustice only requires us to replace that code with written by those who profit from injustice.

Igel

(35,274 posts)
3. But not everybody is born with the same moral code.
Sat Aug 10, 2013, 08:08 PM
Aug 2013

Heck, psychology's only just started to replicate cross-culturally some of the standard "games" that have been used to determine psychological universals. Some of these are core ideas about what's just or fair.

They're finding that some of the hard-core "this is part of how all humans" think just isn't so. In some cases the trait is common, and different only in a few marginal groups. In others, the differences are more widespread.

It's a nice conceit that there's a universal set of moral judgments and that we--whether you think "Westerners", "Americans", "Democrats", "DUers," "progressives", or some other nicely bordered group--pretty much have all the "right" judgments and none of the wrong ones. Not much more than a nice conceit.

Zorra

(27,670 posts)
4. We can get into a long, complicated philosophical discussion about moral relativism, but it is
Sat Aug 10, 2013, 08:58 PM
Aug 2013

easiest to just say for the sake of facilitating communication that different societies and cultures generally have their own commonly agreed on institutionalized and accepted evolving set of mores.

And it appears that each individual is generally responsible for their own moral choices, despite cultural mores.

Recursion

(56,582 posts)
7. And this is why I find transcendentalism puerile
Sat Aug 10, 2013, 11:08 PM
Aug 2013

I don't know how many Brook Farms have to fail, but clearly at least one more...

Zorra

(27,670 posts)
8. The quote was actually relative to slavery.
Sat Aug 10, 2013, 11:24 PM
Aug 2013

His very next words, that finish the quote in the OP, were

"I cannot for an instant recognize as my government [that] which is the slave's government also."

Recursion

(56,582 posts)
9. Which was also the government that ended slavery at immense cost of lives
Sat Aug 10, 2013, 11:29 PM
Aug 2013

Which it couldn't have done if people picked and chose the duty they owed to it.

Thoreau didn't live to see the draft riots, but I've always been curious what his reaction would have been.

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