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ZombieHorde

(29,047 posts)
Sat Aug 10, 2013, 09:26 PM Aug 2013

Can the NSA decrypt encrypted emails?

This poll is based off this thread: http://www.democraticunderground.com/1014561202#post3

German companies to automatically encrypt emails

BERLIN (AP) — Two of Germany's biggest Internet service providers say they will encrypt customers' emails by default following reports that the U.S. National Security Agency monitors international electronic communications.


10 votes, 0 passes | Time left: Unlimited
Yes, the NSA can decrypt encrypted emails.
9 (90%)
No, the NSA cannot decrypt encrypted emails.
1 (10%)
I don't know.
0 (0%)
I know, but I don't want to share.
0 (0%)
Gingers don't have souls.
0 (0%)
Goats are sexy and I want to marry one when I grow up.
0 (0%)
If I owned a catapult, I would finally be able to conquer Tennessee.
0 (0%)
I get anxiety when the phone rings, because that means I either have to talk with someone, or snub someone.
0 (0%)
When I was 13 years old, my mother told me that punching a horse in the face was good luck.
0 (0%)
If I only had one week to live, I would spend it watching Toddlers & Tiaras.
0 (0%)
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Can the NSA decrypt encrypted emails? (Original Post) ZombieHorde Aug 2013 OP
Can't find their own asses. NYC_SKP Aug 2013 #1
Some yes and some no. dimbear Aug 2013 #2
I say yes because no defense is perfect neverforget Aug 2013 #3
depends on how it is encrypted. PowerToThePeople Aug 2013 #4
Given enough time they could Recursion Aug 2013 #16
not while you are still alive. PowerToThePeople Aug 2013 #17
There's more to cryptanalysis than exhausting the keyspace Recursion Aug 2013 #20
Redundant computing power. Start several hundred thousand GPUs at separate fixed points... Gravitycollapse Aug 2013 #32
hahaha... nebenaube Aug 2013 #30
Not if encrypted correctly Sgent Aug 2013 #5
Well, don't know bout the rest of you, but I'm off to Tennessee NuclearDem Aug 2013 #6
Good luck on your righteous campaign! nt ZombieHorde Aug 2013 #12
Me and the Trebushit are off! NuclearDem Aug 2013 #21
I should have voted for the goats. shenmue Aug 2013 #7
You can change your vote on DU3. nt ZombieHorde Aug 2013 #8
You should be encrypting your own emails, not letting your ISP do it for you. backscatter712 Aug 2013 #9
Someone wants to talk to you. Rex Aug 2013 #10
Hey, I didn't vote for that option, I was just trying to help them make an enemies list. ZombieHorde Aug 2013 #11
NP I told them Cartman is a total poser. Rex Aug 2013 #13
Thank the gods! nt ZombieHorde Aug 2013 #14
Probably not quickly enough to do much good en masse Recursion Aug 2013 #15
They can probably decrypt a message, if it's worth the time. But they cannot decrypt all of them cthulu2016 Aug 2013 #18
I'd be shocked if they didn't have a back door into anything that's not open source Fumesucker Aug 2013 #19
Did you ever read about Richie's back door into the C compiler? Recursion Aug 2013 #22
I thought I may have been too optimistic Fumesucker Aug 2013 #23
There's very few encryptions that the NSA can't decrypt. eom millennialmax Aug 2013 #24
Yep. 1-Old-Man Aug 2013 #27
not with brute force techniques they can't ProdigalJunkMail Aug 2013 #25
Yep... PopeOxycontinI Aug 2013 #29
Send Greenwald a tweet & ask him. giftedgirl77 Aug 2013 #26
Clearly not Egnever Aug 2013 #28
Actually, yeah... nebenaube Aug 2013 #31
 

NYC_SKP

(68,644 posts)
1. Can't find their own asses.
Sat Aug 10, 2013, 09:29 PM
Aug 2013

If they want to, they can probably decrypt a few of the messages they come across.

If they are inside the encryption companies, they can probably read all messages encrypted by those companies.

But can is quite different from do. I think they can't and I think they don't.

 

PowerToThePeople

(9,610 posts)
4. depends on how it is encrypted.
Sat Aug 10, 2013, 09:35 PM
Aug 2013

If a person knows what they are doing, then I would vote NO. They can not decrypt the email.

Recursion

(56,582 posts)
16. Given enough time they could
Sat Aug 10, 2013, 11:10 PM
Aug 2013

I mean, given enough time anybody could. But they can't do it in anything like real time or on anything like a large scale.

 

PowerToThePeople

(9,610 posts)
17. not while you are still alive.
Sat Aug 10, 2013, 11:13 PM
Aug 2013

There was a thread on another post going over the numbers. They could not do it without physically taking the key from your possession. They could not crack it.

Recursion

(56,582 posts)
20. There's more to cryptanalysis than exhausting the keyspace
Sat Aug 10, 2013, 11:27 PM
Aug 2013

I'm assuming they have the kind of known plaintexts that you normally use for stuff like this.

Gravitycollapse

(8,155 posts)
32. Redundant computing power. Start several hundred thousand GPUs at separate fixed points...
Sun Aug 11, 2013, 05:01 AM
Aug 2013

And even through brute force alone, super computers could crack a 64 bit encryption in just a couple days. I am nearly certain your email is not that secure.

 

nebenaube

(3,496 posts)
30. hahaha...
Sun Aug 11, 2013, 04:52 AM
Aug 2013

There's a shiny black building that contains something that acts like a billion crays all linked together.

Sgent

(5,857 posts)
5. Not if encrypted correctly
Sat Aug 10, 2013, 09:36 PM
Aug 2013

which is a bit harder than it sounds.

They can however look at meta-data much as in phone calls.

backscatter712

(26,355 posts)
9. You should be encrypting your own emails, not letting your ISP do it for you.
Sat Aug 10, 2013, 10:04 PM
Aug 2013

When they go to the ISP, they'll simply give them a National Security Letter and take the decryption key.

If you encrypt yourself with something like GnuPG, it'll be much harder.

ZombieHorde

(29,047 posts)
11. Hey, I didn't vote for that option, I was just trying to help them make an enemies list.
Sat Aug 10, 2013, 10:09 PM
Aug 2013

They have no reason to use their ginger magic against me.

Recursion

(56,582 posts)
15. Probably not quickly enough to do much good en masse
Sat Aug 10, 2013, 11:10 PM
Aug 2013

Given a focus on a specific person and some time, yes.

cthulu2016

(10,960 posts)
18. They can probably decrypt a message, if it's worth the time. But they cannot decrypt all of them
Sat Aug 10, 2013, 11:15 PM
Aug 2013

If encryption was the norm it would be quite difficult to handle

Fumesucker

(45,851 posts)
19. I'd be shocked if they didn't have a back door into anything that's not open source
Sat Aug 10, 2013, 11:15 PM
Aug 2013

And you had best compile your own code too.

Recursion

(56,582 posts)
22. Did you ever read about Richie's back door into the C compiler?
Sat Aug 10, 2013, 11:45 PM
Aug 2013

Even compiling your own code isn't always enough...

ProdigalJunkMail

(12,017 posts)
25. not with brute force techniques they can't
Sun Aug 11, 2013, 12:06 AM
Aug 2013

AES256 allows for 1.1X10^77 permutations. With a computer operating at 10 pFLOPS it would take 3.3X10^56 years to explore all the combinations. That's to break ONE key...

they have to have something else to work with. do they have a fancy higher math that makes this process shorter? maybe, but the thing is, the whizzes over at the NSA and CIA aren't the only smart people around. our gov't relies on classified and unclassified encryption algorithms to protect their conversations but they are all based on the same concepts. if they trust them to protect THEIR data, then you KNOW breaking those keys in nigh-on impossible.

sP

PopeOxycontinI

(176 posts)
29. Yep...
Sun Aug 11, 2013, 12:42 AM
Aug 2013

it's a matter of math. 2 to the power of the length of your key. So, up to a certain key length, like maybe 128bit tops.

 

giftedgirl77

(4,713 posts)
26. Send Greenwald a tweet & ask him.
Sun Aug 11, 2013, 12:36 AM
Aug 2013

Snowden supposedly gave him eleventy million different pages worth of documents, maybe that was one of them.

If he gives you a response ask him if we could see the evidence as well. Maybe we'llget lucky & it will actually be a document in it's entirety.

 

Egnever

(21,506 posts)
28. Clearly not
Sun Aug 11, 2013, 12:40 AM
Aug 2013
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/08/09/silent-circle-shutting-down-encripted-email_n_3732779.html

These guys would have no reason to shut down if they could.

Poll results on this are a perfect example of all the woo on this subject.


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