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(331 posts)AppleBottom
(201 posts)DevonRex
(22,541 posts)Odd all the people cheering on a Russian spy turned defector.
delrem
(9,688 posts)DevonRex
(22,541 posts)Just a twenty-something spy working for Putin.
arely staircase
(12,482 posts)So far he has been Gandhi, MLK, Rosa Parks, Paul Revere (with coonskin hat, lol) and now Harriet Tubman. I'm sure I am forgetting someone.
DevonRex
(22,541 posts)I'm speechless.
arely staircase
(12,482 posts)MannyGoldstein
(34,589 posts)Sincerely yours,
The 1%
ProSense
(116,464 posts)http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023441345
Sen. Elizabeth Warren (D-MA) took to Twitter on Tuesday in praise of the Senate's vote to advance Richard Cordray's nomination to the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau, calling it a "historic day for working families."
Elizabeth Warren ✔ @elizabethforma
I couldn't be more pleased that Rich Cordray will finally get the vote that he deserves. This is a historic day for working families!
1:11 PM - 16 Jul 2013
47 Retweets 26 favorites
http://livewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/entry/elizabeth-warren-cordray-vote-historic-day-for-working
BlueStreak
(8,377 posts)Sincerely,
Your overlords
Just Saying
(1,799 posts)Definition of PATRIOT
: one who loves his or her country and supports its authority and interests
leftstreet
(36,078 posts)Tell this guy, he didn't get the memo...
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=3435877
arely staircase
(12,482 posts)crap pretty much sums up what sucks around here.
arely staircase
(12,482 posts)it isn't about patriotism but about scoundrels. In fact it assumes most people are patriotic, that is why scoundrels seek refuge in patriotism.
leftstreet
(36,078 posts)...although scholars have never agreed on what precisely Johnson meant when he said it, it's been loosely interpreted to slam false patriots who use the prevailing concept of patriotism for nefarious reasons
Another interesting quote:
arely staircase
(12,482 posts)I have heard it used by people who think it means being patriotic makes one a scoundrel.
NuclearDem
(16,184 posts)OnyxCollie
(9,958 posts)In 2007, he was going to filibuster any bill that gave retroactive immunity to the telecoms that helped the Bush administration illegally spy on US citizens.
Obama's wiretapping flip-flop? Yes
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2008/jul/14/obamas-wiretapping-flip-flop-yes/
In October 2007, Obama spokesman Bill Burton issued this unequivocal statement to the liberal blog TPM Election Central: "To be clear: Barack will support a filibuster of any bill that includes retroactive immunity for telecommunications companies."
...
But Obama knows how to drive a hard bargain, making he (and Rahm) the top recipients in the Senate and House of 2008 campaign contributions from AT&T employees and PAC.
Obama: $270,191
http://www.opensecrets.org/orgs/recips.php?id=D000000076&party=D&chamber=S&type=P&cycle=2008
Rahm: $50,650
http://www.opensecrets.org/orgs/recips.php?id=D000000076&chamber=H&party=D&cycle=2008&state=&sort=A
...
Obama supported an amendment that would have stripped telecom immunity from the measure. But after that amendment failed, Obama declined to filibuster the bill. In fact, he voted for it. It passed the Senate, 69-28, on July 9. The House passed the same bill last month, and Bush said he would sign it soon. (McCain missed the vote because he was campaigning in Ohio, but he has consistently supported the immunity plan.)
In a message to supporters, Obama defended his position, citing a phrase Democrats fought to include that the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act is the "exclusive" means of wiretapping for intelligence. The bill "is far better than the Protect America Act that I voted against last year... (because it) makes it clear to any president or telecommunications company that no law supersedes the authority of the FISA court."
Fumesucker
(45,851 posts)Oh, wait..
Cha
(295,907 posts)pa·tri·ot
1.A person who vigorously supports their country and is prepared to defend it against enemies or detractors. Foreign and Domestic.
Oakenshield
(614 posts)What we need is a liberal god damn it. I don't want someone obsessed with defending the image of a powerful America. Or someone obsessed with defending America's interests abroad. I want someone who champions social justice, the middle class and human rights. And on those counts the President comes up short.
arely staircase
(12,482 posts)bravenak
(34,648 posts)A class act.
Spitfire of ATJ
(32,723 posts)millennialmax
(331 posts)Spitfire of ATJ
(32,723 posts)Everyone acts like they couldn't do this without his okay.
millennialmax
(331 posts)The only rebuttal to that so far has been: "Bullshit."
Spitfire of ATJ
(32,723 posts)It's like everyone has blacked out of all the "loyal Bushies" were put into high places.
Many said Obama should beware that the ones left over were going to sabotage his administration from within and do a general purge but he didn't. He was doing all he could to keep from scaring the crap out of everyone because he was black and went super nice with them AND THEY USED THAT.
dkf
(37,305 posts)By denying requests to declassify information needed to discuss what was being done.
Action after action after action. And then the lies when asked.
http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20130810/09240524136/jennifer-hoelzers-insiders-view-administrations-response-to-nsa-surveillance-leaks.shtml
Go ahead and pretend no one knew a thing.
TxGrandpa
(124 posts)arely staircase
(12,482 posts)TxGrandpa
(124 posts)......and as such should be aware of the Fourth amendment. Additionally he wasn't he supposed to bring transparency in government? I still support him, but again, he isn't in touch with the American people. His comments since Snowden released information about the NSA has been more of CYA than seeming to open up legitimate discussion.
Spitfire of ATJ
(32,723 posts)TxGrandpa
(124 posts)Spitfire of ATJ
(32,723 posts)TxGrandpa
(124 posts).....wasn't Obama supposed to be a change from the Bush/Cheney administration? And bring more transparency to government? Yet he has continued practices from them.
So when was he planning on getting around to having a discussion about the Patriot Act, etc.? Was he just planning to bring it up, but Snowden beat him to revealing what information the government is collecting about us?
Spitfire of ATJ
(32,723 posts)Equal pay for women and passing a health care bill and getting us out of Iraq and Afghanistan was the main priorities.
Also stem cell research, climate change, fixing FEMA so it actually does it's job, caring for wounded vets and finding them work, patching things up with our allies.
I'm sure that last one is linked to both drones and the NSA as a priority.
The Bush Era was a nightmare that we didn't switch off like a light switch.
He's also had to deal with race relations more than anyone thought he would have to because Republicans decided to run as the Party of Rich White Male Rule.
TxGrandpa
(124 posts)..apparently his comments when Snowden told us what we had already guessed about this under the Bush/Cheney regime, showed that he had no problem with the government ignoring the Fourth Amendment.
But his comments effectively saying that we need to learn to live with the loss of privacy seems to indicate that he condones the overreach of the NSA. As a constitutional scholar shouldn't he know that the Fourth Amendment protects our privacy? Even if a secret court says a blanket warrant is legal and constitutional?
And yes the Bush Era was a nightmare to many of us, that is the reason those like myself supported Obama during the campaigns. And he is also in his second term of office [yes I voted for him and still support him as President] so he's had enough time to address most of the problems left over from the previous administration.
Spitfire of ATJ
(32,723 posts)Especially if Republicans decide to RUN on this in the mid-term?
TxGrandpa
(124 posts)His comments doesn't sound very encouraging.
Spitfire of ATJ
(32,723 posts)On NBCs Meet the Press Sunday, McCaul said that in the wake of leaks from former NSA contractor Edward Snowden, who has been given asylum by Russia, Obama was belatedly trying to come up with ways to salvage the program by window dressing . The problem fundamentally is hes failed to explain these programs, which are lawful, which have saved lives, (and) which have stopped terrorist plots. He has not adequately explained them or defended them.
http://nbcpolitics.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/08/11/19975169-top-gop-lawmaker-accuses-obama-of-not-defending-nsa-surveillance-program?lite
The GOP is split between it's dominant Authoritarian and it's minority Libertarian wing.
Let's hope they decide to go with their Authoritarian side.
TxGrandpa
(124 posts)...attempting to put a lid on the situation hoping it will blow over. And as much as I hate to say, it does seem as this is an attempt at window dressing. Guess we'll just have to wait and see.
Spitfire of ATJ
(32,723 posts)That server farm in Utah wasn't funded with petty cash.
The weeping Boner got the votes for it.
uponit7771
(90,225 posts)TxGrandpa
(124 posts)...and voted for him both times. I supported him when he was running for the nomination and the general elections. But that doesn't mean that I can't disagree with him when I feel that he is wrong.
I look upon him as supposed to be our President, not infallible nor as the 'boss' that I have to rubber stamp his actions. Basically I am more independent thinking than following the party line.
arely staircase
(12,482 posts)Union Scribe
(7,099 posts)Spitfire of ATJ
(32,723 posts)Doesn't MATTER if it was all stuff cooked up by the likes of John Yoo.
Bonobo
(29,257 posts)rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)Spitfire of ATJ
(32,723 posts)rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)point. It appears you mean the Republicans are the "they" in the "they finally found the issue to get the Left to turn on him." So you are saying the Republicans "found" the NSA spying issue and are using it to turn the Left on him. OMG. First if you would pay attention, the Republicans love the NSA and their spy programs. Gen Clapper and others are f'in Republicans.
So why would the Republicans try to turn the Left?
Besides as I mentioned, the Left hasnt been happy for a long, long time. Do you need the list?
Funny but I doubt the Republicans could turn the Left as easily as f'head Rahmbo.
Pres Obama doesnt like the Left, in fact I could show you how he has intentionally alienated the Left. He aligns with the Republicans like Gen Clapper, Gen Alexander, Bernanke, etc.
I cant speak for the Left, but I want to undo Bush's attacks on our civil liberties. So far Pres Obama doesnt agree.
Spitfire of ATJ
(32,723 posts)AgingAmerican
(12,958 posts)nt
Art_from_Ark
(27,247 posts)A member of the New England professional football team.
AgingAmerican
(12,958 posts)Is because those gun idiot types refer to each other as, "Patriots".
I don't see Obama as one of those.
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Waiting For Everyman
(9,385 posts)That person would be an opportunist and a traitor.
AgingAmerican
(12,958 posts)And they trash the constitution like no other.
babylonsister
(170,962 posts)He now has trashed the Constitution?
AZ Progressive
(3,411 posts)99Forever
(14,524 posts)Bet the Rah Rah Crowd won't touch it.
Progressive dog
(6,861 posts)and President of the USA.
Logical
(22,457 posts)PowerToThePeople
(9,610 posts)Seriously? Are we on FR now? Has it come to this?
KG
(28,749 posts)Rowdyboy
(22,057 posts)K&R
mick063
(2,424 posts)To permit irresponsible authority is to sow disaster; to hold a man responsible for anything he does not control is to behave with blind idiocy. The unlimited democracies were unstable because their citizens were not responsible for the fashion in which they exerted their sovereign authority . . . other than through the tragic logic of history. The unique 'poll tax' that we must pay was unheard of. No attempt was made to determine whether a voter was socially responsible to the extent of his literally unlimited authority. If he voted the impossible, the disastrous possible happened insteadand responsibility was then forced on him willy-nilly and destroyed both him and his foundationless temple.
Robert A. Heinlein
NoMoreWarNow
(1,259 posts)morningfog
(18,115 posts)Drunken Irishman
(34,857 posts)KarKar
(80 posts)and a musket?
Scurrilous
(38,687 posts)KarKar
(80 posts)It's kind of misogynist. How about matriot?
bowens43
(16,064 posts)rug
(82,333 posts)Edward Abbey, A Voice Crying in the Wilderness (Vox Clamantis en Deserto) : Notes from a Secret Journal