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SHRED

(28,136 posts)
Sun Aug 11, 2013, 01:16 PM Aug 2013

"White-on-white" crime


Nope...you never hear that term. Just "black-on-black" crime.

Why just "black-on-black"?
I think because it marginalizes and is demeaning. It is a racist and ugly phrase.

Fact is most person to person crime is perpetrated by like race.
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"White-on-white" crime (Original Post) SHRED Aug 2013 OP
I think there is a very important topic here but would love to see some more in depth KittyWampus Aug 2013 #1
I've been trying to make that term popular for a decade. bravenak Aug 2013 #2
You may not hear the term. Igel Aug 2013 #3
talking about this? PowerToThePeople Aug 2013 #4
actually no hfojvt Aug 2013 #5
 

KittyWampus

(55,894 posts)
1. I think there is a very important topic here but would love to see some more in depth
Sun Aug 11, 2013, 01:21 PM
Aug 2013

analysis. Maybe someone has some good links to help on this?


Here is a start> from first google link I found. I cannot verify any statistics or know viewpoints of author:

Black on Black Crime Facts

Black on black homicides have decreased by 67% in 20 years, a sharper rate of decrease than white on white homicide.
According to FBI statistics 7361 Blacks were killed by fellow African-Americans in 1991. In 2011, it dropped dramatically to 2447 African-Americans
Among black youth, rates of robbery and serious property offenses are the lowest in more than 40 years.


http://www.demos.org/blog/7/29/13/myth-black-black-crime-epidemic
Racial Inequality in the Criminal Justice System Facts

African Americans were 2 times as likely to be arrested and almost 4 times as likely to experience the use of force during encounters with the police.
In the federal system black offenders receive sentences that are 10% longer than white offenders for the same crime.
5 times as many Whites are using drugs as African Americans, yet African Americans are sent to prison for drug offenses at 10 times the rate of Whites
African Americans are incarcerated at nearly six times the rate of Whites
African American juvenile youth are about 16% of the youth population, 37% of their cases are moved to criminal court & 58% of convicted African American youth are sent to adult prisons.
Controlling for other factors, including severity of the offense and prior criminal history, white men aged 18-29 were 38% less likely to be sentenced to prison than their black male peers
African American women are 3 times more likely than white women to be incarcerated
African American defendants are 21% more likely to receive mandatory-minimum sentences than Whites and are 20% more like to be sentenced to prison

HERE IS A REBUTTAL
http://www.realclearpolicy.com/blog/2013/07/29/what_does_the_term_black-on-black_crime_imply_589.html

What Does the Term 'Black-on-Black Crime' Imply?
By Robert VerBruggen
Lately, most recently in this Demos post, there have been a few attempts to debunk the notion of "black-on-black crime."

Interestingly, though, none of these arguments actually deny that there's a lot more black-on-black crime than we would expect purely by chance. Using the same report I consulted earlier this month in analyzing justifiable-homicide rates (based on the Justice Department's crime-victimization survey), we can get a rough estimate* of the odds someone of a given race will face a violent crime by an attacker of a given race over the course of a year (race of victim first, offender second):

Black/black: 22 in 1,000
Black/white: 3 in 1,000
White/black: 3 in 1,000
White/white: 16 in 1,000

So, a randomly selected black person is about 38 percent more likely to face victimization from another black person than a random white person is to face victimization from another white person. The murder statistics are even more lopsided: In 2011 the FBI recorded 2,447 black-on-black murders and 2,630 white-on-white murders, similar numbers even though whites constitute a dramatically larger proportion of the population.

 

bravenak

(34,648 posts)
2. I've been trying to make that term popular for a decade.
Sun Aug 11, 2013, 01:28 PM
Aug 2013

It never catches on cause its not scary enough. Black sounds scary.

Igel

(35,300 posts)
3. You may not hear the term.
Sun Aug 11, 2013, 05:18 PM
Aug 2013

But if you read statistical compendia the term's about as common as BonB.

In the early '80s it was embarrassing to discuss AIDS. As a result, people died. Some find discussing BonB crime to be embarrassing.

For every TM there are 47-48 black corpses that we don't talk about.

For every white corpse there are 6-7 black corpses we don't talk about.

For stranger homicides--like GZ/TM, where they weren't known to be acquainted beforehand--about half of the killers are black. We don't focus on Latino-on-anybody murders. Black-on-white murders. Asian-on-anybody murders. All that matters is white-on-black murders.

And we tend to think of them as common, and the African-American community as under assault. I've read posts where parents had to instruct their kids about the dangers of being killed by a white guy. Yet for every black killed by a white guy there's one killed by a Latino/Asian and 48 or so killed by blacks--most of whom are known to the pre-corpse.

Here's one way of thinking about it. Some liked asking what would have happened if GZ were black and TM were white--how would the police have acted, how would the jury have decided.

So imagine that both GZ and TM were black. Instead of being a cause celebre, with posters and hagiographies, TM's case would be black-on-black murder. Uh-oh. Nobody on DU would give a flying fig about TM. And to mention TM would be humiliating, demeaning. Embarrassing. And utterly not useful for any good purpose. Unless it were a Stormfront post, but I repeat myself: not useful for any good purpose. TM would be, well, marginalized to the extent we even knew he existed.

Hey. Maybe if we don't talk about problems they'll go away. It worked well with AIDS in the early '80s. We didn't talk about it--and look at how many cases of AIDS just went away.

That is, before American manned up and decided that having people die was a problem that needed some sort of solution, that the silence about AIDS was far, far more offensive than the existence of AIDS.

hfojvt

(37,573 posts)
5. actually no
Sun Aug 11, 2013, 05:34 PM
Aug 2013

you hear the term black on black crime probably from reasonable, decent people.

Because there seem to be two groups of people trying to foment a race war. Two groups of racists, as it were.

There are those who are racists against black people and like always to talk about the scourge of black on white crime.

Then there are those who are racists against white people (or white hispanics) who like to talk about the scourge of white on black crime.

The fact of black on black crime is an antidote and rebuttal to the latter. For every Trayvon that Sharpton, et. al. want to wave around there are nine or ten Ranisha Joneses, Jalisa Reeds, Ramon Thomases that they are apparently willing to ignore.

The reason you probably do not hear so much about white on white crime is that there are no people speaking out for white victims and trying to stir excrement up every time a white person is killed by another white person.

And there is no need for much of a rebuttal against racists against black people because 80% of the white population already thinks those racists are ignorant a$$holes.

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