The latest growing meme about Hillary Clinton

[Stinky The Clown]

She should have won against Obama, but she didn't. How can she possibly win against whatever repubican gets their party's nod for '16?

Sparkly and I have now heard this from the mouths of a variety of talking heads.

There is also a sub-meme that's growing. It holds that she has to get out from the shadow of two presidents, her husband and her former boss.

Never in my life have I seen one person so beset by haters as Hillary Clinton.

[femmocrat]

1. Well, St. ronnie of reagan didn't beat Ford.

And Nixon lost to Kennedy. It's politics.

[liberal N proud]

2. Because what ever the republicans can dig out of the darkest depths of hell isn't as good as Hillary

Even on her worst day, she is better than a Republican.

[HardTimes99]

11. I was never and am not currently a Hillary supporter, but the only Republican who comes even

close to Hillary, imho, is Chuck Hagel. (Maybe also Dick Lugar, although he has retired.) Remarkable that the Republicans have only a single figure who is in the same league as Hillary and a sign of how far the Republicans have fallen in national stature.

[MADem]

3. Those teabaggers and Paulfans are relentless, aren't they?

Pity they didn't have a sustainable brain to go along with their aggressive nastiness.

[DetlefK]

4. So, if one player on the team is worse than his teammate...

then he will automatically loose against somebody from another team?

[CrispyQ]

5. I'm not a big Hillary fan, but I agree with your last sentence.

My mother was a right winger in her later years, & she loathed Hillary even more than Bill. If Clinton wins the presidency, the hate you will see toward her will equal the hate toward Obama, maybe even surpass it.

[KoKo]

6. Huh? Haters?

That's a "meme" in itself. What's up with that? Are you wanting DU'ers to be concerned that the "Haters" are coming or that some of us who hope for a fresh candidate will be considered Haters if we are critical of Hillary.

I don't watch MSM Cable News....so maybe I missed whatever it is or misinterpreted what you said.

[Little Star]

7. I think you did misinterpret. TV talking heads are at this 24/7....

Lot's of Hillary hater's all over the internet too. That's just my take on the OP & I think it was spot on.

[KoKo]

12. I was wondering if "criticism" is now called "Hating."

If you are talking about Faux News...then we know they are paid to promote "Dem Hate"...but I worry that saying "Haters" without referencing where the hate is coming from is extreme. Confusing criticism over policy difference with "hate" sounds like what Faux News does and would hate to see this "meme" spread here on DU.

[RC]

13. It is.

Anything short of praise. 3rd Way, DINO, DLC is black/white thinking here.
What we need is some Progressive/Liberal thinking, with shades of grey in it. Not every choice in the real world is Heaven/Hell.

[Stinky The Clown]

26. The OP did "reference" the source of the hate: Right Wing talking heads

For the record, the world is bigger than DU and no DUers were the target of the word "hater".

[KoKo]

27. Thanks for that clarification. But, some of us Democrats have been

called "Haters" here on DU for criticizing when we feel a Dem politician isn't upholding Dem Policies and so we are sensitive to something like a "meme" getting started about "Hillary Haters."

[Stinky The Clown]

28. :sigh: Yes, that is sadly all too true. There is a cadre of people with a common POV . . . .

. . . . who see people who offer anything negative regarding one subject or another up for comment as the enemy.

I have been called a hater more than once by that cadre.

[Cleita]

8. I never understood the hate either. I'm not in agreement with her politics as I am far

to the left of her, so I probably am not in agreement with the politics of many who might run in the primary against her. However, I don't hate her and would vote for her, if she is the candidate, against any Republican.

[reformist2]

9. She can win, but I don't know what she stands for anymore.

[hootinholler]

10. I don't hate Hillary...

I hate the corporate policies that she will bring. I can't stand the Turd Way, and didn't much care for the DLC before they rebranded as the turd way.

It's that shadow she has to get out from under and I don't see how she could possibly pull that one off.

Give me someone like Warren or Dean that I can vote for instead of voting against some asshole republican.

[RC]

14. +10

Here is the real problem:

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[Recursion]

17. Meh. Activists always think that

There's a mirror image of that posted on a lot of conservative discussion boards. Personally I like that Venn diagram somebody posted of OWS and the Tea Party: what both really don't like is that corporations have captured the regulatory apparatus. But "weaken both government and corporations in a measured way based on empirical evidence" isn't a very good rallying cry.

[RC]

23. I wouldn't know.

I'm not far enough Right to care what is on conservative discussion boards. Apparently you are, so you don't see the actual problem. Too many people calling themselves Democrats, that at are Right of Center.

[OilemFirchen]

15. I'm not a big fan of disclaimers,

but as it seems to be de rigueur in this thread, I'll make an exception.

[Recursion]

16. Does she want to run?

That's kind of important to this question.

[spanone]

18. because reTHUG candidates have about four brain cells each.

[millennialmax]

19. She's unstoppable if she wants it and everyone knows it.

I'm going to enjoy watching the reactions of the people that don't like the Clintons when she ascends to the presidency.

[winter is coming]

22. We were told she was unstoppable in the run-up to 2008.

That wasn't true then, and I see no reason to believe it's true now. A strong candidate? Sure. Inevitable? Ludicrous.

[okieinpain]

20. you haven't SEEN ANYTHING YET.

People think its been hard on president Obama, just you wait and see what they do to hillary. Lol.

[n2doc]

21. Nixon, Reagan...lots of counter examples from history.

Anyway, I tend to think that the 'hate' comes from those who don't want her anointed as the next president. If she wins it in a fair and honest fight, fine. But to say "I'm Next" or "Ready" is to portray an arrogance that doesn't go down well. I think some are very worried that the billionaires will buy the primary nomination for her, in return for a continuation of the status quo.

[RC]

24. +10

We have had plenty enough governance from the Right. 20 years, so far.

[Martin Eden]

25. What office is Hillary running for, and when is the election?

This isn't about the presidential election of 2016, is it?

If so, it's a distraction from more immediate and more important matters -- like the 2014 mid-terms.

Presidential campaigns are already far too lengthy, and the focus becomes centered on the person rather than the crucial issues.

I would be pleased as punch if no attention was paid to the 2016 presidential election until 20-friggin-16

[LearningCurve]

29. The reason this meme is junk ...

Is it implies Hillary would have lost against McCain. Had Hillary gotten the nomination, she would be president. Whether her margin of victory would have been equal or not is up for debate, but I can't imagine anyone seriously thinks the Democrats would have lost if Clinton had been the nominee.