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Mon Aug 12, 2013, 11:18 AM Aug 2013

To Noel Willmett from Geo. Orwell: "Whether totalitarianism, leader-worship, are on the up-grade..."

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George Orwell’s Letter on Why He Wrote ‘1984’

In 1944, three years before writing and five years before publishing 1984, George Orwell penned a letter detailing the thesis of his great novel. The letter, warning of the rise of totalitarian police states that will ‘say that two and two are five,’ is reprinted from George Orwell: A Life in Letters, edited by Peter Davidson and published today by Liveright.




To Noel Willmett

18 May 1944
10a Mortimer Crescent NW 6

Dear Mr Willmett,

Many thanks for your letter. You ask whether totalitarianism, leader-worship etc. are really on the up-grade and instance the fact that they are not apparently growing in this country and the USA.

I must say I believe, or fear, that taking the world as a whole these things are on the increase. Hitler, no doubt, will soon disappear, but only at the expense of strengthening (a) Stalin, (b) the Anglo-American millionaires and (c) all sorts of petty fuhrers° of the type of de Gaulle. All the national movements everywhere, even those that originate in resistance to German domination, seem to take non-democratic forms, to group themselves round some superhuman fuhrer (Hitler, Stalin, Salazar, Franco, Gandhi, De Valera are all varying examples) and to adopt the theory that the end justifies the means. Everywhere the world movement seems to be in the direction of centralised economies which can be made to ‘work’ in an economic sense but which are not democratically organised and which tend to establish a caste system. With this go the horrors of emotional nationalism and a tendency to disbelieve in the existence of objective truth because all the facts have to fit in with the words and prophecies of some infallible fuhrer. Already history has in a sense ceased to exist, ie. there is no such thing as a history of our own times which could be universally accepted, and the exact sciences are endangered as soon as military necessity ceases to keep people up to the mark. Hitler can say that the Jews started the war, and if he survives that will become official history. He can’t say that two and two are five, because for the purposes of, say, ballistics they have to make four. But if the sort of world that I am afraid of arrives, a world of two or three great superstates which are unable to conquer one another, two and two could become five if the fuhrer wished it. That, so far as I can see, is the direction in which we are actually moving, though, of course, the process is reversible.

As to the comparative immunity of Britain and the USA. Whatever the pacifists etc. may say, we have not gone totalitarian yet and this is a very hopeful symptom. I believe very deeply, as I explained in my book The Lion and the Unicorn, in the English people and in their capacity to centralise their economy without destroying freedom in doing so. But one must remember that Britain and the USA haven’t been really tried, they haven’t known defeat or severe suffering, and there are some bad symptoms to balance the good ones. To begin with there is the general indifference to the decay of democracy. Do you realise, for instance, that no one in England under 26 now has a vote and that so far as one can see the great mass of people of that age don’t give a damn for this? Secondly there is the fact that the intellectuals are more totalitarian in outlook than the common people. On the whole the English intelligentsia have opposed Hitler, but only at the price of accepting Stalin. Most of them are perfectly ready for dictatorial methods, secret police, systematic falsification of history etc. so long as they feel that it is on ‘our’ side. Indeed the statement that we haven’t a Fascist movement in England largely means that the young, at this moment, look for their fuhrer elsewhere. One can’t be sure that that won’t change, nor can one be sure that the common people won’t think ten years hence as the intellectuals do now. I hope they won’t, I even trust they won’t, but if so it will be at the cost of a struggle. If one simply proclaims that all is for the best and doesn’t point to the sinister symptoms, one is merely helping to bring totalitarianism nearer.

Two and two could become five if the fuhrer wished it.

You also ask, if I think the world tendency is towards Fascism, why do I support the war. It is a choice of evils—I fancy nearly every war is that. I know enough of British imperialism not to like it, but I would support it against Nazism or Japanese imperialism, as the lesser evil. Similarly I would support the USSR against Germany because I think the USSR cannot altogether escape its past and retains enough of the original ideas of the Revolution to make it a more hopeful phenomenon than Nazi Germany. I think, and have thought ever since the war began, in 1936 or thereabouts, that our cause is the better, but we have to keep on making it the better, which involves constant criticism.

Yours sincerely,
Geo. Orwell


read: http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2013/08/12/george-orwell-s-letter-on-why-he-wrote-1984.html


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To Noel Willmett from Geo. Orwell: "Whether totalitarianism, leader-worship, are on the up-grade..." (Original Post) bigtree Aug 2013 OP
K&R DJ13 Aug 2013 #1
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The man saw so clearly what was happening and where it inevitably ends. Egalitarian Thug Aug 2013 #4
This message was self-deleted by its author ieoeja Aug 2013 #6
In retrospect we view Ghandi as a transformative figure promoting pacifism Maedhros Aug 2013 #13
Inevitably. You yourself wrote potential, but even so the course has not wavered and consequences Egalitarian Thug Aug 2013 #17
K&R freshwest Aug 2013 #5
"there is no such thing as a history of our own times which could be universally accepted" Spitfire of ATJ Aug 2013 #7
This message was self-deleted by its author bigtree Aug 2013 #8
I'd have to go back to the Cold War and Wilsonian restrictions on speech for a recognizable origin bigtree Aug 2013 #9
I attibute it to the self interest of those who served in his administration... Spitfire of ATJ Aug 2013 #14
Ollie North was certainly a BS champ bigtree Aug 2013 #15
They consider Ollie to be a "respected expert" where the rest of the world considers him a criminal. Spitfire of ATJ Aug 2013 #16
The leader-worship on display today is especially troubling. n/t Puzzledtraveller Aug 2013 #10
I think Orwell sees that as inevitable - he makes his own choices 'between evils' bigtree Aug 2013 #12
Wow. Nice find! nt Zorra Aug 2013 #11
Bkmd to read entire article. Thanks for posting. snagglepuss Aug 2013 #18
Thanks for the post. I wonder if his views on Gandhi changed... Eleanors38 Aug 2013 #19
 

Egalitarian Thug

(12,448 posts)
4. The man saw so clearly what was happening and where it inevitably ends.
Mon Aug 12, 2013, 01:17 PM
Aug 2013

Just another bleeding heart, commie-pinko, pony wanting, idealistic dreamer...
& R

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Maedhros

(10,007 posts)
13. In retrospect we view Ghandi as a transformative figure promoting pacifism
Mon Aug 12, 2013, 02:24 PM
Aug 2013

and peaceful resistance. We forget that he generated his own Cult of Personality which had the potential to take the legend of Ghandi and twist it into a force for nationalism.

 

Egalitarian Thug

(12,448 posts)
17. Inevitably. You yourself wrote potential, but even so the course has not wavered and consequences
Mon Aug 12, 2013, 04:08 PM
Aug 2013

have been consistent. Shrub certainly had the potential to become a dictator, is the fact that he didn't justify his actions?

 

Spitfire of ATJ

(32,723 posts)
7. "there is no such thing as a history of our own times which could be universally accepted"
Mon Aug 12, 2013, 02:06 PM
Aug 2013

The Reagan Years comes to mind.

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bigtree

(85,989 posts)
9. I'd have to go back to the Cold War and Wilsonian restrictions on speech for a recognizable origin
Mon Aug 12, 2013, 02:11 PM
Aug 2013

. . . and, I'd attribute much of the outrageous doublespeak that came out of Reagan's mouth during his presidency to Peggy Noonan.

 

Spitfire of ATJ

(32,723 posts)
14. I attibute it to the self interest of those who served in his administration...
Mon Aug 12, 2013, 02:46 PM
Aug 2013

The Reagan Administration was one of the most criminal administrations in history and everyone associated with it would be labelled a crook. They HAD to spin the Reagan Years as a huge success or none of them would have ever been able to work in Washington ever again.

The PROBLEM with these MORANS is they actually BELIEVE their own spin. Add to that a whole new crop of Limbaugh weaned assholes who were too young to remember those times and you have a recipe for frustration on the part of the sane.

 

Spitfire of ATJ

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16. They consider Ollie to be a "respected expert" where the rest of the world considers him a criminal.
Mon Aug 12, 2013, 03:13 PM
Aug 2013

bigtree

(85,989 posts)
12. I think Orwell sees that as inevitable - he makes his own choices 'between evils'
Mon Aug 12, 2013, 02:17 PM
Aug 2013

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. . . and concludes here that vigilance and 'constant criticism' is the way to make our choices 'the better'.

 

Eleanors38

(18,318 posts)
19. Thanks for the post. I wonder if his views on Gandhi changed...
Mon Aug 12, 2013, 05:33 PM
Aug 2013

I read a critical Orwell essay on Gandhi's non-violent strategy, to wit How effective would such a strategy be in general. But I didn't pick up on his criticism that Gandhi was a potential fascist. The essay was written after the war and after the "end" of British imperialism (1948) in India.

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