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Usual suspects - conservative Catholic and Evangelical organizations.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/07/01/russia-anti-gay-bill_n_3530050.html
"You admire some of the things they're doing in Russia against propaganda," said Austin Ruse, president of the U.S.-based Catholic Family and Human Rights Institute. "On the other hand, you know it would be impossible to do that here."
Ruse, whose institute is seeking accreditation at the United Nations, plans to travel to Russia this summer to meet with government officials and civic leaders.
"We want to let them know they do in fact have support among American NGOs (non-governmental organizations) on social issues," he said.
These bigots should not be allowed back into the United States - they are TERRORISTS.
spanone
(135,831 posts)fuck them
theHandpuppet
(19,964 posts)But with no rights. I think that's what they mean.
spanone
(135,831 posts)Last edited Mon Aug 12, 2013, 04:03 PM - Edit history (1)
fuck them
they should be banned from calling themselves christians....Jesus wept
gollygee
(22,336 posts)A group with "human rights" in its name working against human rights.
joeybee12
(56,177 posts)RKP5637
(67,108 posts)GiaGiovanni
(1,247 posts)When they have a drone, I'll worry.
dbackjon
(6,578 posts)It is mostly psychological in nature.
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dbackjon
(6,578 posts)I think you are on the wrong forum.
It is not about disapproval - it is about threats to OUR LIVES.
GiaGiovanni
(1,247 posts)Terrorism is defined in the Code of Federal Regulations as the unlawful use of force and violence against persons or property to intimidate or coerce a government, the civilian population, or any segment thereof, in furtherance of political or social objectives (28 C.F.R. Section 0.85).
Violence and force are part of the definition.
dbackjon
(6,578 posts)Those of us that have been terrorized know better.
spanone
(135,831 posts)theHandpuppet
(19,964 posts)They can be violent, but they are always intended to intimidate and terrorize. This is just a sampling from the Southern Poverty Law Center.
Louisville, KY
A swastika was drawn on a gay rights activist's car, which was also sideswiped.
Type: Vandalism
Reported: 03/23/2013
Davis, CA
A gay man was allegedly beaten on the street by a man who yelled anti- gay slurs. Clayton Daniel Garzón, 19, was charged with battery with serious bodily injury, assault with means of force likely to produce great bodily injury and threats to commit a crime resulting in great bodily injury.
Type: Assault
Reported: 03/20/2013
Hillsboro, OR
A man walking with his boyfriend and their pink poodle was allegedly attacked by a man who yelled anti-gay comments. George Allen Mason Jr., 22, was arrested for investigation of second-degree intimidation, second-degree assault, unlawful use of a weapon and reckless driving.
Type: Assault
Reported: 03/02/2013
New Orleans, LA
A group of people allegedly yelled anti-gay slurs at a man who was walking hand-in-hand with another man. The man was then allegedly attacked by Jamie Hebert, 19, who was later charged with second-degree battery and committing a hate crime.
Type: Assault
Reported: 02/23/2013
New York, NY
A man who was riding on the subway with his friend was allegedly attacked by three men and three women who used anti-gay slurs.
Type: Assault
Reported: 02/18/2013
Pace, FL
Swastikas and anti-gay slurs were spray-painted on a gay man's trailer.
Type: Vandalism
Reported: 02/03/2013
Muskegon, MI
A gay man was allegedly attacked by four men outside a karaoke bar.
Type: Assault
Reported: 02/03/2013
Daytona Beach, FL
A woman was allegedly attacked in a parking lot by a man who yelled anti-gay slurs. Adam Winterstein, 32, was charged with felony battery/hate crime, felony battery causing bodily harm and resisting an officer without violence.
Type: Assault
Reported: 01/23/2013
dbackjon
(6,578 posts)Jamastiene
(38,187 posts)sometimes murdering them, you don't consider that terrorism.
Nothing violent about this, right?
The bottom line is that these laws embolden people to commit anti-gay violence. It is not JUST the speech that is the problem, but the speech does lead to violence, all too often.
You are conveniently overlooking the part of the definition you quoted that is relevant: "or any segment thereof" The violence is directed at a segment thereof to "intimidate or coerce" the rest.
You are completely missing the point.
dbackjon
(6,578 posts)And scary video.
William769
(55,146 posts)bunnies
(15,859 posts)are being used as an excuse for vigilante shitheads to run around kidnapping and torturing gay kids with impunity. THAT is the kind of thing these RW assholes are a-ok with. And if YOU dont think thats terrorism then I think you need to revisit the meaning of the word.
gollygee
(22,336 posts)You have to make a group of people afraid to live their lives because of the terror you've created.
A law making you afraid to go outside in case someone can tell your gay and considers you to be committing the vague and subjective act of "propaganda" because you can be thrown in jail for two weeks would qualify as terrorism in my opinion.
GiaGiovanni
(1,247 posts)Really?
gollygee
(22,336 posts)If they said they thought I was committing "propaganda" and could convince someone to arrest me, then yes that's something to be afraid of.
dbackjon
(6,578 posts)Are afraid of their lives because of religious groups.
GiaGiovanni
(1,247 posts)That would be terrorism.
dbackjon
(6,578 posts)Evangelical Christians and Catholics in Africa
Muslims in the Middle East and Africa
Hindus in India
Orthodox Christians in Russia
Christians in the US
Jamastiene
(38,187 posts)Eric Rudolph is best known for bombing the Olympics in Atlanta and the abortion clinic in Alabama, but he also bombed a lesbian bar, injuring five.
From his statement read at his sentencing:
" The next attack in February was at The Otherside Lounge. Like the assault at the abortion mill, two devices were used. The first device was designed not necessarily to target the patrons of this homosexual bar, but rather to set the stage for the next device, which was again targeted at Washington's agents. The attack itself was meant to send a powerful message in protest of Washington's continued tolerance and support for the homosexual political agenda.
Despite the inherent dangers involved in timed devices, all of these devices used in both of these assaults functioned within the parameters of the plan, and I make no apologies."
This quote can be found on The Army Of God web site. I won't link to it here, because I consider that a hate group, but is is easy enough to find.
Christianity:
This one is tired directly back to religious conservatives in America.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uganda_Anti-Homosexuality_Bill
Islam, specifically Sharia Law:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homosexuality_and_Islam#Modern_day
Hanging is pretty violent, especially when done this way to inflict the most pain possible.
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http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/05/14/iran-gay-men-executed-hanging_n_1515207.html
These are very few examples. There are numerous others, all involving violence against gay people by religious authorities, theocratic governments, and individual religious people who feel the need to torture and/or kill gay people in the name of their deity.
Really, we shouldn't have to look all this up for you. Instead, when numerous people tell you this is how it is, you should take your head out of the sand and do some research yourself. Or will you still refuse to believe the truth even after it has been presented to you? I have a gut feeling I know the answer to this question already. You would have to have been living with your head in the sand not to know the ones I listed above, at the very least.
theHandpuppet
(19,964 posts)I can provide them. Here's one.
http://americablog.com/2013/05/catholic-rel-rt-anti-gay-march-in-paris-against-turns-violent.html
More violence in Paris as French anti-gay right co-opted by extremists, supremacists
5/27/2013 2:32pm by John Aravosis
Yet another anti-gay march in Paris, organized by the Catholic Church, the religious right, and Frances opposition conservative party UMP, has gone terribly violent, as the French anti-gay movement becomes increasingly taken over by white supremacists, and other violent far-right extremists.
The AP documents yesterdays violence in these vivid photos.
France recently legalized gay marriages, as part of a campaign promise made by French President François Hollande. The first marriage of a gay couple will take place this coming Wednesday.
The increasing violence at the ongoing anti-gay protests are more than just an embarrassment for Frances nascent religious right, which in France is run by the Catholic Church. Its also a shameful black eye for Americas religious right, which up until now took pride in its close ties to Frances anti-gay movement....
Here's one of the victims of their anti-gay terrorism:
Clement Meric, 18 year old pro-gay college student, France, murdered by skinheads, June 2013.
http://americablog.com/2013/06/french-religious-right-gay-kid-wouldnt-be-dead-from-hate-crime-if-you-hadnt-legalized-gay-marriage.html
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/06/06/clement-meric-dead-skinhead-attack_n_3397221.html
theHandpuppet
(19,964 posts)In Wake of Anti-Gay Violence, Catholic Cardinal Launches New Attack on Same-Sex Families
by Kilian Melloy
Tuesday May 28, 2013
2013 is only half over, but New York City has seen almost twice as many anti-gay hate crimes take place this year as in 2012. This, a May 26 New Civil Rights article noted, is part and parcel of a rising trend in recent years of violence targeting gays. But that worrisome uptick in brutal physical attacks against victims based on their sexual orientation didnt stop Cardinal Timothy Dolan for calling for Catholic priests nationwide to preach from the pulpit against family equality.
Moreover, Dolan chose the month of June -- traditionally the month when cities around the country and around the world celebrate Pride -- to launch this latest attack on same-sex families by the Catholic Church.
"Dolan, who is the President of the United States Conference of Catholic Bishops (USCCB), and thus the top representative of the Roman Catholic Church in America, is also the Archbishop of New York, but has said not one word about the skyrocketing anti-LGBT violent hate crimes in his own back yard," the New Civil Rights Movement article noted.
"According to police, they have seen a 70 per cent spike in violent incidents targeting the LGBT community, from 14 last year to 29 in 2013," a Daily Mail article said, going on to report on the response from local GLBT equality leaders....
theHandpuppet
(19,964 posts)Monday, April 15, 2013
Quote for the Day: Catholic Hierarchy and Responsibility for Anti-Gay Violence
"It was not Frigide Barjot who was hitting my head, or the bishop of Avignon lurking in that street to attack us. But they are responsible."
The statement is by Wilfred de Bruijn, a gay man savagely beaten along with his partner in Paris a week ago yesterday by several thugs shouting homophobic slogans as de Brujin and his boyfriend were walking in their neighborhood. Thomas Adamson at Huffington Post, John Aravosis at Americablog Gay, and Janine di Giovanni at Daily Beast describe the attack, in which de Bruijn's face was shattered with multiple fractures.
As John Aravosis notes, this attack comes on the heels of a promise by anti-gay religious right groups in France to spill blood after the French government approved marriage equality. And as Aravosis also notes, those groups have very close ties to the anti-gay (and strongly Catholic) group National Organization for Marriage in the U.S., which has been collaborating with (and, according to some commentators, helping orchestrate and fund) demonstrations against marriage equality in France that have already resulted in violent actions by demonstrators.
What's going on with the fascist backlash against gay rights in France puts Janine di Giovanni in mind of the rise of Nazism in Germany in the 1930s. As she notes, "I cannot help but think about the rise of Fascism in Europe in the 1930s and the shocking way in which even the most gentrified people suddenly turned insane in the face of something they considered different. Human beings resist change, and in those days, it was socialism or communism or the rise of the common worker, which turned gangs of thugs loose on the streets. Now it is gay rights."
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theHandpuppet
(19,964 posts)04/16/2013
France's Top Catholic Bishop Says Gay Marriage Will Cause Violence
By Andy Towle
Cardinal Andre Wingt-Trois, France's top Catholic bishop told a meeting of French bishops that the government risked inciting more violence by "rushing" a marriage equality law through the legislature, Reuters reports:
Vingt-troisVingt-Trois, the archbishop of Paris, said the difference between the sexes was a basic human trait and denying it by legalizing marriage and adoption for homosexuals would weaken society's ability to manage its differences peacefully.
"This is the way a violent society develops," he told the spring meeting of the French bishops' conference. "Society has lost its capacity of integration and especially its ability to blend differences in a common project." ...
...Vingt-Trois accused the government of rushing the law through parliament without sufficient public debate...
theHandpuppet
(19,964 posts)Anti-Gay Christian Group Freedom Fighters On Marriage Equality
By David Volz On 1 Jul, 2013 At 08:50 PM
An anti-gay Christian group published an open letter to the public, vowing to refuse gay marriage even it is legalized. The group which calls themselves Freedom Fighters, consists of over 200 anti-gay conservatives.
The open letter which was posted online, The Freedom Federation, who boast Real hope, Real change, Real freedom, promise to ignore the Supreme Courts ruling if it changes the definition of marriage to include same-sex couples. The letter was co-drafted by Mathew Staver, chairman of legal ministry Liberty Counsel Action, who has said that gay marriage will lead to polygamy and civil war.
The letter in the defense of marriage was also signed by Tony Perkins, head of the Family Research Council who has said Google is trying to destroy family values with gay rights.
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The two-page letter concludes with a warning not to test the groups by legalizing gay marriage. Seven pages of anti-gay conservative Christians signatures end with the statement;Make no mistake about our resolve. While there are many things we can endure, redefining marriage is so fundamental to the natural order and the true common good that this is the line we must draw and one we cannot and will not cross.
theHandpuppet
(19,964 posts)Salvation Army says Gays Need to Be Put to Death
By David Volz on 6 Jun, 2013
(excerpt)
Ryan: According to the Salvation Army gay parents deserve death. How do you respond to that, as part of your doctrine?
Craibe: Well, thats a part of our belief system.
Ryan: So they should die.
Craibe: You know, we have an alignment to the Scriptures, but thats our belief.
Ryan: Youre proposing in your doctrine that because these parents are gay, that they must die.
Craibe: Well, well, because that is part of our Christian doctrine
Ryan: But how is that Christian? Shouldnt it be about love?
theHandpuppet
(19,964 posts)I don't want to hog all the bandwidth, so to speak. There are just so many examples of faith-based terrorism I have a hard time picking and choosing, being a Libran and all.
totodeinhere
(13,058 posts)that have struck fear in the hearts of LGBT's.
dbackjon
(6,578 posts)totodeinhere
(13,058 posts)own twisted political reasons for this quite part from any religious motives but he does find religious conservatives to be a useful ally.
GiaGiovanni
(1,247 posts)Has the Catholic League said they are going to beat you senseless?
gollygee
(22,336 posts)If they got their way and we did have similar laws, people would get arrested, which can create terror whether or not there is physical violence, although certainly people often suffer violence when they're arrested and incarcerated.
TinkerTot55
(198 posts)Religious folk ( to be distinguished from truly good and spiritual people ) may smile at you and mouth the "love the sinner, hate the sin" platitudes, but the real terror comes from not knowing if the people you love ( partners, children ) will have your job benefits to cover them, or if they'll be able to be with you in a hospital if you're ill or dying, and all the other basic rights that most of us straight folk take for granted.
RKP5637
(67,108 posts)are psychological terrorists.
GiaGiovanni
(1,247 posts)lest they be accused of "hate crimes"
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dbackjon
(6,578 posts)atreides1
(16,077 posts)And take all of their bigoted members with them!
Where exactly do they get the nerve to use the words "Human Rights" in their organization's title?
ProdigalJunkMail
(12,017 posts)and just make any ole thing we want terrorism!
sP
(hint : words have NO meaning when they have ALL meanings)
dbackjon
(6,578 posts)ProdigalJunkMail
(12,017 posts)dbackjon
(6,578 posts)The American ones kill gays in Africa, hoping to do it here.
theHandpuppet
(19,964 posts)Exporting the Anti-Gay Movement
REV. DR. KAPYA KAOMA
APRIL 24, 2012
How sexual minorities in Africa became collateral damage in the U.S. culture wars
In October 2010, a banner headline ran on the front page of the Ugandan newspaper Rolling Stone: 100 Pictures of Ugandas Top Homos Leak. Subheadings warned of these peoples dark designs: We Shall Recruit 1,000,000 Kids by 2012, and Parents Now Face Heartbreaks as Homos Raid Schools. One of the two men pictured on the front page was David Kato, an outspoken leader of Ugandas small human-rights movement. Inside the newspaper, his name and home address, along with those of other LGBT Ugandans, were printed. The article called for the homos to be hanged.
Three months later, after numerous threats, Kato was bludgeoned to death in his Kampala home. Police said the motive was robbery, but human-rights advocates did not believe the official story. At Katos funeral, an Anglican priest condemned homosexuality. Katos death was international news, making him the highest-profile victim of the anti-gay hysteria that has enveloped much of sub-Saharan Africa over the past decade. Although U.S. Secretary of State Hillary Clinton has joined other Western diplomats in being openly critical of African political leaders who fail to defend the rights of their LGBT populations, the crisis afflicting sexual minorities on the continent has its origins in the United States. Pejorative attitudes toward LGBT people in Africa have long been widespread. But the recent upsurge in politicized homophobia has been inspired by right-wing American evangelicals who have exported U.S.style culture-war politics.
The best-known example of these efforts is Ugandas Anti-Homosexuality Bill. Introduced in the fall of 2009, the bill imposed the death penalty for certain homosexual acts and criminalized human-rights advocacy on behalf of sexual minorities. It grew directly out of a well-attended conference, the Seminar on Exposing the Truth behind Homosexuality and the Homosexual Agenda, that took place in the capital, Kampala, in March. To put on the conference, the Uganda-based Family Life Network, which is supported by U.S. Christian-right groups, teamed with two leading anti-gay activists from the States, Holocaust revisionist Scott Lively and Dan Schmierer of the ex-gay group Exodus International. The seminar attracted high-profile religious leaders, parliamentarians, police officers, teachers, and concerned parents. I videotaped the proceedings.
The marquee speaker was Lively, head of the anti-gay Abiding Truth Ministries in Massachusetts and author of The Pink Swastika, which claims that homosexuals invented Nazism and were instrumental in the Holocaust. Lively began his anti-gay campaigning in the early 1990s as communications director of the Oregon Citizens Alliance (OCA), which sponsored a spate of ballot initiatives to deny civil rights and state benefits to LGBT people. The OCA warned of the alleged homosexual threat to children. Ballot Measure 9, which failed in 1992, would have added this text to the states constitution: All governments in Oregon may not use their monies or properties to promote, encourage or facilitate homosexuality, pedophilia, sadism or masochism. All levels of government, including public education systems, must assist in setting a standard for Oregons youth which recognizes that these behaviors are abnormal, wrong, unnatural and perverse and they are to be discouraged and avoided. . MORE at link
LostOne4Ever
(9,288 posts)Conservatives have been wrong on EVERY SINGLE FUCKING ISSUE SINCE THIS COUNTRY BEGAN.
Slavery
sufferage
segregation
Civil and equal rights for women and minorities
The New Deal
Social Security
WWI and WWII
Vietnam
Iraq war
Evolution
etc.
etc.
etc.
Patriot act
AND now gay rights. They go out of their to stand on the side of hatred, bigotry and intolerance EVERY SINGLE TIME. Its almost tempting to not even think about issues as you know that if they take a side on it....it will be the wrong side.
But, being a liberal...i like thinking. Too bad the same can't be said about those morons.
RZM
(8,556 posts)It's pretty lame to praise Russia's troubling anti-gay laws. But so what? It's also protected speech.
This loser has every right to jabber all day long. Criticize as much as you want. But once you start talking about using state power to sanction speech like this, you're in the authoritarian club.
dbackjon
(6,578 posts)But when speech is used to promote terrorism, hate, killings and beatings, the 1st Amendment doesn't qualify.
And I find it ironic that you want THEIR speech covered by the first Amendment, when the law they are applauding would make MY Speech illegal.
RZM
(8,556 posts)It IS covered by the first amendment.
Russia's law wouldn't fly here for the same reason. It would be unconstitutional and struck down by the courts real fast. And the dumbass even acknowledged that in his statement.
totodeinhere
(13,058 posts)places. But here we bend over backward to protect the 1st Amendment and there has been an ongoing debate over whether the 1st Amendment should allow hate speech or not. The courts have been all over the map on this by the way.
http://www.gvpt.umd.edu/gvpt339/Street.htm
Lordquinton
(7,886 posts)The OP and yuou and I can say whatever we want, and say that they are in the wrong.
Hate speech is also not covered by the first.
RZM
(8,556 posts)Of course we can say whatever we like. But I get the impression the OP desires something more.
Bluenorthwest
(45,319 posts)Monet? Precursor for dental work? You get the impression?
RZM
(8,556 posts)No idea what you're talking about.
napkinz
(17,199 posts)napkinz
(17,199 posts)I know Leno is probably on the right, but EVEN HE GETS IT!
He said, this is how it started in Germany. First they come for one group, then it's another, and another and another.
I'm with George Takei ... boycott the Olympics.
RKP5637
(67,108 posts)looking at him gives me the creeps, and IMO he is so KGB looking.
Zorra
(27,670 posts)spiritual emptiness and lovelessness that extends infinitely within their lost, miserable being.
What an absolutely horrible life they have. I am soooo glad I have been blessed by the universe by not being them. I hope things get better for them some day.
"God bless us, every one."
RKP5637
(67,108 posts)voids with hatred and persecutory behavior. They are godless creatures from hell.
Zorra
(27,670 posts)Or is it just a hateful lifestyle that they chose?
RKP5637
(67,108 posts)and life experiences.
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iandhr
(6,852 posts)Bernardo de La Paz
(49,001 posts)It's generally representative of the christian republicans, especially dominionists who are a particularly vile bunch.
dbackjon
(6,578 posts)RKP5637
(67,108 posts)NuclearDem
(16,184 posts)How backwards is that?!
matt819
(10,749 posts)ck4829
(35,070 posts)Dawson Leery
(19,348 posts)Cha
(297,196 posts)totodeinhere
(13,058 posts)country we see a major world power with 140 million people going in the opposite direction. The battle for LGBT rights is obviously a world-wide one and it will continue for a long time.
AverageJoe90
(10,745 posts)And I suspect that the majority of them are the latter.....WTF is wrong with American conservatives today, dammit?!?!?
blkmusclmachine
(16,149 posts)Fixed it for you.