Mon Aug 12, 2013, 04:08 PM

kentuck (108,826 posts)

Why I am hesitant to vote for Hillary for President in 2016?

In my opinion, she would be much like Bill Clinton and Barack Obama, in that she would appoint the usual suspects to positions of power and would be dependent on their thinking to govern. Just the idea of being the "first" would be the historic legitimacy to govern. In that respect, she would be handicapped as President, in my opinion.

That does not mean that an established male candidate would be any better. It is just that Hillary Clinton would be more inclined to appoint people to her Cabinet like her husband and President have done. That is the last thing our country needs at this time, in my opinion.

The ideal candidate would not be tied to the Washington and Wall Street establishment. They would not be adverse to the radical reforms that are needed. They would not be tied to the ideas of people like Larry Summers or Tim Geithner or numerous others that advise the present Administration. Perhaps you think a continuation of present policies and ideas would be a good idea?

(edited by reason of persuasion of other DU'ers)

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Why I am hesitant to vote for Hillary for President in 2016? (Original post)	kentuck	Aug 2013	OP
Or any woman?	Demit	Aug 2013	#1
At this time...	kentuck	Aug 2013	#4
Elizabeth Warren?	KamaAina	Aug 2013	#57
+ infinity!	cascadiance	Aug 2013	#61
She's my candidate!	Scuba	Aug 2013	#131
Warren/Wyden 2016 would get my vote.	Coyotl	Aug 2013	#137
Old Story	Jeff In Milwaukee	Aug 2013	#139
Even Bush played the outsider against the Beltway. It is a necessity today	Coyotl	Aug 2013	#141
There's a difference between playing the outsider and being the outsider	Jeff In Milwaukee	Aug 2013	#146
Erm....what?	Oakenshield	Aug 2013	#107
She's a former Republican with a background in banking.	MelungeonWoman	Aug 2013	#115
No offense...	Oakenshield	Aug 2013	#118
No offense taken.	MelungeonWoman	Aug 2013	#122
I like Dean too.	LuvNewcastle	Aug 2013	#152
I'm also a "former Republican". The fact she left that party is a plus for her.	Scuba	Aug 2013	#132
Tell that to us Hillary supporters. We're sick of hearing.....	Little Star	Aug 2013	#140
It sounds like you don't want anyone in the cabinet who could make any headway	Recursion	Aug 2013	#2
So I guess the only solution is to vote for someone who hasn't any experience in any area of	lumpy	Aug 2013	#14
No, his solution would to be to vote for more 3rd Way, DLC, DINO that is working so well now.	RC	Aug 2013	#63
C'mon, that's really lame. How about Krugman? He'd be a nice start.	Scuba	Aug 2013	#133
That's not a reason to pre-emptively be against her. We don't know who she would appoint because	CTyankee	Aug 2013	#3
I have not seen any indication that she would be an independent thinker...	kentuck	Aug 2013	#9
Well, she's never been president so we just don't know, do we?	CTyankee	Aug 2013	#17
We disagree.	kentuck	Aug 2013	#19
This message was self-deleted by its author	ieoeja	Aug 2013	#81
and this is documented how?	CTyankee	Aug 2013	#90
Where did you pull that from, a RW site?	Beacool	Aug 2013	#101
.	Little Star	Aug 2013	#144
Have you ever seen any that she wouldn't be an independent thinker?.....	Little Star	Aug 2013	#32
My point is my opinion.	kentuck	Aug 2013	#35
Okie dokey. What ever "my point is my opinion" means.	Little Star	Aug 2013	#43
You asked?	kentuck	Aug 2013	#52
Kentuck, would you be averse to voting for a black candidate for president as well ?	lumpy	Aug 2013	#5
I voted for Obama twice.	kentuck	Aug 2013	#120
so don't get your hesitation about 'any' woman.	elleng	Aug 2013	#6
Elizabeth Warren might be the exception?	kentuck	Aug 2013	#12
PERHAPS!!!	elleng	Aug 2013	#15
But...	kentuck	Aug 2013	#21
top echelon being whom?	elleng	Aug 2013	#23
Hillary, Gillibrand, Napolitano...	kentuck	Aug 2013	#25
According to new Quinnipiac poll she's third only to Chris Christie and Hillary Clinton now...	cascadiance	Aug 2013	#67
Why not a Clinton/Warren ticket?	theHandpuppet	Aug 2013	#142
Many others here have said the same thing...	cascadiance	Aug 2013	#149
As first lady she sure did think independently regarding health care....	Little Star	Aug 2013	#46
She voted for Bush's tragic war and has never admitted it was an enormous error, to put it mildly.	sabrina 1	Aug 2013	#123
That's a commendable thought, Sabrina...	kentuck	Aug 2013	#125
Yes, if I support a Democrat for the WH, I am NOT supporting a Republican Cabinet. This is something	sabrina 1	Aug 2013	#128
I couldn't agree with you more. And I think more women in TOP Cabinet offices such as SoS and DoJ	CTyankee	Aug 2013	#134
It is strange that there has still never been a woman in the WH and even more strange, that it is	sabrina 1	Aug 2013	#150
Any woman?	bravenak	Aug 2013	#7
Plus the chicks get all crazy once a month, right?	NightWatcher	Aug 2013	#8
Better read up on the human body, kinda sounding like Todd Akin in your remark.	Thinkingabout	Aug 2013	#99
that and they have super powers to control the weather during menopause	NightWatcher	Aug 2013	#113
You still need to do some research, you missed again.	Thinkingabout	Aug 2013	#119
She obviously has been influenced by both, but I'm more concerned that she or any other FIRST female	hlthe2b	Aug 2013	#10
"or any woman"	sufrommich	Aug 2013	#11
heh heh, we have one!	quinnox	Aug 2013	#16
D'oh! So we do.	sufrommich	Aug 2013	#22
You have ruled out any woman	Egnever	Aug 2013	#13
Edited...	kentuck	Aug 2013	#18
I definitely agree that things need to be changed.	Initech	Aug 2013	#20
Why do I get the feeling that we are starting to see some male discomfort here with the idea of a	CTyankee	Aug 2013	#24
I think you are mistaken to call it "sexism"?	kentuck	Aug 2013	#29
Ok, deal. I want to be wrong, as I said.	CTyankee	Aug 2013	#31
Another woman that has been mentioned by the MSM?	kentuck	Aug 2013	#40
Is there a male mentioned by the MSM that you would support?	CTyankee	Aug 2013	#45
To be clear.	kentuck	Aug 2013	#49
Of those mentioned, I would prefer a Warren/O'Malley ticket.	kentuck	Aug 2013	#121
I hope you were thinking the same thing about Barack Obama back in 2008: would he have the courage	CTyankee	Aug 2013	#135
Maybe if you stopped saying "woman candidate" people wouldn't be mistaking you.	Demit	Aug 2013	#50
Because we are talking about "firsts"..	kentuck	Aug 2013	#53
No, you're talking about your dislike of Hillary Clinton	Demit	Aug 2013	#80
I'm talking of my dislike of Hillary as a candidate...	kentuck	Aug 2013	#88
You're not even sure what your point is. "Woman candidates", "firsts," now just plain	Demit	Aug 2013	#89
Don't get me wrong I am all for having a woman president.	Initech	Aug 2013	#30
I agree.	kentuck	Aug 2013	#33
That's what you should have said to begin with because that's obviously what you were getting at....	Little Star	Aug 2013	#54
Just for clarification, what does " I am hesitant to vote for Hillary" mean to you?	kentuck	Aug 2013	#59
Well.....	Little Star	Aug 2013	#84
Any other woman on your list for president?	CTyankee	Aug 2013	#34
Good question, I may have to do some research.	Initech	Aug 2013	#98
She's just another 3rd Way, DLC, New Democrat, Centrist politician.	Tierra_y_Libertad	Aug 2013	#26
+1000	forestpath	Aug 2013	#96
She's a hawk.	broiles	Aug 2013	#27
Yes, she is...	MrMickeysMom	Aug 2013	#124
I barely knew who Barack Obama was before 2008.	Just Saying	Aug 2013	#28
Considering the usual DLC people she hired to run her 08 campaign	DJ13	Aug 2013	#36
/facepalm	JTFrog	Aug 2013	#37
I figured it would be misintepreted...	kentuck	Aug 2013	#44
I think she'd be worse than Obama.	Atman	Aug 2013	#38
So what? Our candidate will never get the support of the GOP folks anyway.	CTyankee	Aug 2013	#48
I don't agree.	Atman	Aug 2013	#74
Oh, please, white RW men won't vote for a woman? Boo hoo. They're not going to vote for a Dem	CTyankee	Aug 2013	#76
It's not ridiculous at all.	Atman	Aug 2013	#82
So what? Are you going to throw up your hands and give up?	CTyankee	Aug 2013	#92
And STILL miss the point!	Atman	Aug 2013	#94
My goodness, calm down! Please.	CTyankee	Aug 2013	#97
I never liked Hillary prior to Obama's Presidency.	DrewFlorida	Aug 2013	#39
.	Little Star	Aug 2013	#145
Beats me, but it sounds like you've mostly decided not to.	lamp_shade	Aug 2013	#41
Unicorn 2016!	FSogol	Aug 2013	#42
My big concern with Hillary is the Bush-Clinton-Bush-Obama-Clinton link	AndyA	Aug 2013	#47
Did you say that in 2008 about Barack Obama?	CTyankee	Aug 2013	#55
No, Barack Obama was new and is the only thing breaking the Bush-Clinton link. n/t	AndyA	Aug 2013	#56
what exacxtly WAS the Bush/Clinton link? I never heard of it...	CTyankee	Aug 2013	#58
Perhaps chain would have been a better word	AndyA	Aug 2013	#65
Then I guess it's up to Hillary to break the chain in a BIG way: she'll be the first WOMAN!	CTyankee	Aug 2013	#69
Still same family, and she did play a role in Bill's years in the White House	AndyA	Aug 2013	#72
Forget Nancy Reagan. She wasn't President, simple as that.	CTyankee	Aug 2013	#73
Did you notice the winking smilie?	AndyA	Aug 2013	#77
I'm willing to give her that chance...she earned her chance as SoS and U.S. Senator.	CTyankee	Aug 2013	#78
A BIGGER way would be to have Warren as president... the first WOMAN who's not a corporatist too!!	cascadiance	Aug 2013	#75
OK, if Warren is the candidate I'll work my heart out for her. I love that woman...	CTyankee	Aug 2013	#79
Some think she might be too "liberal" to attract voters outside the party. I think she'd surprise..	cascadiance	Aug 2013	#83
Yes. I think you are right!	CTyankee	Aug 2013	#91
I love Warren also, she's my senator and I am proud of her...	Little Star	Aug 2013	#86
I am going to support her and hope that she wins the nomination.	hrmjustin	Aug 2013	#51
I already voted for her for President! In 2008 I voted for her in our Primary, along with my husband	CTyankee	Aug 2013	#60
Glad to hear it. I voted for her in the senate twice.	hrmjustin	Aug 2013	#66
good for you! I'd do the same if I were in NY, not CT...but we've got Blumenthal and	CTyankee	Aug 2013	#70
Yes two great men.	hrmjustin	Aug 2013	#71
Hillary 45 will win in 2016 and 2020. Michelle Obama will be elected in 2024 and 2028...	madinmaryland	Aug 2013	#62
Nicely done	DainBramaged	Aug 2013	#64
You know, as annoying as those two could be..	madinmaryland	Aug 2013	#68
+1. and many experiences....	FSogol	Aug 2013	#100
Honestly...	RudynJack	Aug 2013	#85
I understand where you're going..that you feel it's "too early"...BUT...	KoKo	Aug 2013	#87
The Hillary-phobia here is amazing.	RudynJack	Aug 2013	#102
Hey...Sorry...I don't watch Cable News...I watch International News...	KoKo	Aug 2013	#106
You got me on what?	RudynJack	Aug 2013	#114
I want to vote for a woman for President so much, but there's just flat-out no way	Egalitarian Thug	Aug 2013	#93
She'll win, and she'll take us closer.	gulliver	Aug 2013	#95
Because you are entitled to you own opinion	liberal N proud	Aug 2013	#103
I did not try to make my post an attack on Hillary...	kentuck	Aug 2013	#104
I didn't see it as one either.	liberal N proud	Aug 2013	#112
The 2016 election is more than 3 years away.	Beacool	Aug 2013	#105
My guess would be that there are as many posts praising Hillary as there are against her?	kentuck	Aug 2013	#108
Here???????????	Beacool	Aug 2013	#109
Nah...we all love the Clintons...but nothing in a Democracy should be	KoKo	Aug 2013	#110
Liz Warren is my first choice.	mick063	Aug 2013	#111
1) She is more liberal on economic policy than Bill. 2)	BootinUp	Aug 2013	#116
Every candidate for President will need tons of cash (sadly).	Amonester	Aug 2013	#117
because you don't really like Democrats.	MjolnirTime	Aug 2013	#126
I've fallen and I can't get up...	kentuck	Aug 2013	#129
you have relegated your vote to the dustbin of history.	MjolnirTime	Aug 2013	#147
I am a woman, I agree with you	peacebird	Aug 2013	#127
There are only two effective choices right now	customerserviceguy	Aug 2013	#130
Grammar police. OP is NOT a question.	Coyotl	Aug 2013	#136
It's about time we heard from a voice of reason! (nt)	Jeff In Milwaukee	Aug 2013	#138
I am a woman and I agree with you	Marrah_G	Aug 2013	#143
She will be Obama II	Safetykitten	Aug 2013	#148
Some will recognize this woman as being the first woman President (or functional President).	AnotherMcIntosh	Aug 2013	#151

Response to kentuck (Original post)

Mon Aug 12, 2013, 04:10 PM

Demit (11,238 posts)

1. Or any woman?

Explain.

Why I am hesitant to vote for Hillary for President in 2016?

1. Or any woman?

4. At this time...

57. Elizabeth Warren?

61. + infinity!

131. She's my candidate!

137. Warren/Wyden 2016 would get my vote.

139. Old Story

141. Even Bush played the outsider against the Beltway. It is a necessity today

146. There's a difference between playing the outsider and being the outsider

107. Erm....what?

115. She's a former Republican with a background in banking.

118. No offense...

122. No offense taken.

152. I like Dean too.

132. I'm also a "former Republican". The fact she left that party is a plus for her.

140. Tell that to us Hillary supporters. We're sick of hearing.....

2. It sounds like you don't want anyone in the cabinet who could make any headway

14. So I guess the only solution is to vote for someone who hasn't any experience in any area of

63. No, his solution would to be to vote for more 3rd Way, DLC, DINO that is working so well now.

133. C'mon, that's really lame. How about Krugman? He'd be a nice start.

3. That's not a reason to pre-emptively be against her. We don't know who she would appoint because

9. I have not seen any indication that she would be an independent thinker...

17. Well, she's never been president so we just don't know, do we?

19. We disagree.

90. and this is documented how?

101. Where did you pull that from, a RW site?

144. .

32. Have you ever seen any that she wouldn't be an independent thinker?.....

35. My point is my opinion.

43. Okie dokey. What ever "my point is my opinion" means.

52. You asked?

5. Kentuck, would you be averse to voting for a black candidate for president as well ?

120. I voted for Obama twice.

6. so don't get your hesitation about 'any' woman.

12. Elizabeth Warren might be the exception?

15. PERHAPS!!!

21. But...

23. top echelon being whom?

25. Hillary, Gillibrand, Napolitano...

67. According to new Quinnipiac poll she's third only to Chris Christie and Hillary Clinton now...

142. Why not a Clinton/Warren ticket?

149. Many others here have said the same thing...

46. As first lady she sure did think independently regarding health care....

123. She voted for Bush's tragic war and has never admitted it was an enormous error, to put it mildly.

125. That's a commendable thought, Sabrina...

128. Yes, if I support a Democrat for the WH, I am NOT supporting a Republican Cabinet. This is something

134. I couldn't agree with you more. And I think more women in TOP Cabinet offices such as SoS and DoJ

150. It is strange that there has still never been a woman in the WH and even more strange, that it is

7. Any woman?

8. Plus the chicks get all crazy once a month, right?

99. Better read up on the human body, kinda sounding like Todd Akin in your remark.

113. that and they have super powers to control the weather during menopause

119. You still need to do some research, you missed again.

10. She obviously has been influenced by both, but I'm more concerned that she or any other FIRST female

11. "or any woman"

16. heh heh, we have one!

22. D'oh! So we do.

13. You have ruled out any woman

18. Edited...

20. I definitely agree that things need to be changed.

24. Why do I get the feeling that we are starting to see some male discomfort here with the idea of a

29. I think you are mistaken to call it "sexism"?

31. Ok, deal. I want to be wrong, as I said.

40. Another woman that has been mentioned by the MSM?

45. Is there a male mentioned by the MSM that you would support?

49. To be clear.

121. Of those mentioned, I would prefer a Warren/O'Malley ticket.

135. I hope you were thinking the same thing about Barack Obama back in 2008: would he have the courage

50. Maybe if you stopped saying "woman candidate" people wouldn't be mistaking you.

53. Because we are talking about "firsts"..

80. No, you're talking about your dislike of Hillary Clinton

88. I'm talking of my dislike of Hillary as a candidate...

89. You're not even sure what your point is. "Woman candidates", "firsts," now just plain

30. Don't get me wrong I am all for having a woman president.

33. I agree.

54. That's what you should have said to begin with because that's obviously what you were getting at....

59. Just for clarification, what does " I am hesitant to vote for Hillary" mean to you?

84. Well.....

34. Any other woman on your list for president?