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zappaman

(20,606 posts)
Fri Feb 24, 2012, 01:16 AM Feb 2012

‘We’re the official OWS group!’ ‘No, we’re the official OWS group!’ and so forth

This is (almost) funny: So the upcoming OWS convention in Philly that we’ve been reading about all day? Another OWS group is publicly countering the legitimacy of that group now, claiming that the so-called 99% Declaration Group is not endorsed by the “official” group and blah blah blah blah blah blah blah.

What a bunch of pompous crybabies. Who gives a fuck? No one owns this movement. They can do it in their way, in their style and you can do it in your own way. Why try to hold this energy back in any way? What’s the point, you’re not on the same side?

http://www.dangerousminds.net/comments/were_the_official_ows_group_no_were_the_official_ows_group_and_so_forth

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‘We’re the official OWS group!’ ‘No, we’re the official OWS group!’ and so forth (Original Post) zappaman Feb 2012 OP
Is it possible that the ones protesting are just agitators and not true OWS people? shraby Feb 2012 #1
This TIRED excuse that gets trotted out every time OWS makes an ass of themselves..... Joe the Revelator Feb 2012 #3
+1. nt TheWraith Feb 2012 #6
Thank You! Tarheel_Dem Feb 2012 #38
But are they true Scotsmen? jberryhill Feb 2012 #5
No true Scotsman would ever admit to being a true Scotsman. cherokeeprogressive Feb 2012 #12
No, they are merely saying that they are unaffillated. joshcryer Feb 2012 #10
They're not OWS. EFerrari Feb 2012 #13
I knew they weren't OWS 2pooped2pop Feb 2012 #24
That's a good point. This is EXACTLY the sams as bashing girls scouts EFerrari Feb 2012 #34
the conservatives on this site give themselves away fascisthunter Feb 2012 #59
The people calling the convention are an entirely diffent group. Luminous Animal Feb 2012 #17
The 99% group has a plan they want the "Delegates" from OWS to endorse it. Vincardog Feb 2012 #68
It's really quite simple. The press keeps conflating the two, OWS has issued Luminous Animal Feb 2012 #69
Like someone else said... pipi_k Feb 2012 #30
The same thing happened to the tea party convention as they fell apart. Joe the Revelator Feb 2012 #2
they weren't really ever together 2pooped2pop Feb 2012 #25
The same problem exists for both movements grantcart Feb 2012 #71
Hah, you took the words out of my mouth. TheWraith Feb 2012 #4
Two different groups. Two different agendas. Not complicated at all. Luminous Animal Feb 2012 #19
Yeah, fuck Robert Reich! Hissyspit Feb 2012 #22
When he's wrong and having a temper tantrum, yes. TheWraith Feb 2012 #23
weren't you the guy who was not going to 2pooped2pop Feb 2012 #27
This is why I stopped going to lefty meetings alcibiades_mystery Feb 2012 #7
Really. Since you seem to know so much... tell me how the 99% Declaration Working Group Luminous Animal Feb 2012 #11
Every single lefty meeting that I've been a part of has gotten important things done.. Luminous Animal Feb 2012 #16
One wonders if the problem lies with "lefty meetings" or merely LanternWaste Feb 2012 #29
Seems like pipi_k Feb 2012 #32
Except when it isn't. EFerrari Feb 2012 #35
So why can't they work together since they have the same goal? n/t zappaman Feb 2012 #40
Do you know that they don't? EFerrari Feb 2012 #42
Do you know that they do? zappaman Feb 2012 #45
What goal would that be? Luminous Animal Feb 2012 #47
Here's one zappaman Feb 2012 #48
Any ideas on how to do that? randome Feb 2012 #49
I agree. zappaman Feb 2012 #50
While that is a worthy goal, OWS seeks to address issues through consensus Luminous Animal Feb 2012 #51
OWS will never change electoral politics by staying 'outside electoral politics'. randome Feb 2012 #52
+1 WilliamPitt Feb 2012 #41
Judean People's Front? Fuck off! We're the People's Front of Judea! backscatter712 Feb 2012 #53
This one... JSnuffy Feb 2012 #55
Interesting. Looks like some huckster is trying to hijack the Occupy name for himself. backscatter712 Feb 2012 #56
yeah, as if you ever did fascisthunter Feb 2012 #61
Oy vey alcibiades_mystery Feb 2012 #64
That kind of sums up this place. nt pintobean Feb 2012 #67
Oh yeah, the "The 99 Percent Working Group, LTD." corporation is clearly representative. joshcryer Feb 2012 #8
Um... the 99% Declaration Working Group is not OWS. They've said so themselves. Luminous Animal Feb 2012 #9
It's so cool the kinds of things you can find on the internet Bonobo Feb 2012 #14
Honestly, I've been told so many times by the same people Rex Feb 2012 #18
Why are you doing this? The 99% Declaration Group has admitted that they are not OWS. Luminous Animal Feb 2012 #15
But, but .. what about (GASP!) the 2 GROUPS WORK TOGETHER? 99th_Monkey Feb 2012 #20
That makes too much sense. nt zappaman Feb 2012 #36
The 99% Declaration Working Group is a non-transparent top down Luminous Animal Feb 2012 #46
I think each local, occupy group should be allowed to fuction independently. However... JNathanK Feb 2012 #21
lets see 2pooped2pop Feb 2012 #26
I thought the exact same thing. Odin2005 Feb 2012 #28
anyone ever think that this was purposely engineered? Javaman Feb 2012 #31
OIC, it's all a government conspiracy. Got it. Tarheel_Dem Feb 2012 #39
did I say that? no... Javaman Feb 2012 #54
"did I say that?" Tarheel_Dem Feb 2012 #57
yes and? Javaman Feb 2012 #65
"Yes and?" It just seems that you aren't a completely truthful individual is all. Perhaps that.... Tarheel_Dem Feb 2012 #66
nice try. Javaman Feb 2012 #72
I value consistency & truth, and you'd obviously rather be seen as winning the argument. Tarheel_Dem Feb 2012 #74
Winning what? Javaman Feb 2012 #75
Splitters!!... SidDithers Feb 2012 #33
OMG!!! greytdemocrat Feb 2012 #37
Oh god. Please don't let this become the liberal Tea Party. Arkana Feb 2012 #43
99er Convention in Philadelphia waterwatcher123 Feb 2012 #44
Welcome to DU Generic Other Feb 2012 #70
I don't get it. girl gone mad Feb 2012 #58
better question is... is the OP trying to confuse readers fascisthunter Feb 2012 #60
Thanks! zappaman Feb 2012 #62
I hope you get an answer. Luminous Animal Feb 2012 #63
Kinda like the "Real" Democrats vs DINOS or Fringe or Professional Leftists or... Tierra_y_Libertad Feb 2012 #73
 

Joe the Revelator

(14,915 posts)
3. This TIRED excuse that gets trotted out every time OWS makes an ass of themselves.....
Fri Feb 24, 2012, 01:28 AM
Feb 2012

Is laughable at this point.

joshcryer

(62,279 posts)
10. No, they are merely saying that they are unaffillated.
Fri Feb 24, 2012, 02:20 AM
Feb 2012
http://press.nycga.net/2012/02/23/ows-pr-statement-on-99-declaration/

The OWS General Assembly is saying that it did not at any time sign on to the intents of the "99% Declaration."

"Any statement or declaration not released through the General Assembly and made public online at www.nycga.net should be considered independent of Occupy Wall Street."

EFerrari

(163,986 posts)
13. They're not OWS.
Fri Feb 24, 2012, 02:32 AM
Feb 2012
http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/02/17/idUS123615+17-Feb-2012+MW20120217

But the same TIRED OLD CRITICS WHO DON'T KNOW BETTER lol never waste an opportunity to launch dumb smears no matter how wrong they may be.
 

2pooped2pop

(5,420 posts)
24. I knew they weren't OWS
Fri Feb 24, 2012, 08:30 AM
Feb 2012

still looks like a good protest. OWS probably doesn't want people to think they are one in the same, because they are not.

Occupy may have their own protest in a different city on the same day. July 4th and all. THey just want people to be able to know which is which.

Yes the critics are quite laughable. They sound to me so much like the republicans hoping that shit will go wrong so they will look better. Makes no real sense to me. It's not quite as bad as bashing girl scouts, but it's a similar kind of thing. Why would anyone who is not on the Opposite side want to take time to bring down and insult the only people on this planet who are trying to make it change for a good way for the peoples? Just makes no sense.

EFerrari

(163,986 posts)
34. That's a good point. This is EXACTLY the sams as bashing girls scouts
Fri Feb 24, 2012, 11:21 AM
Feb 2012

for promoting abortion and just as accurate.

Luminous Animal

(27,310 posts)
17. The people calling the convention are an entirely diffent group.
Fri Feb 24, 2012, 02:49 AM
Feb 2012

Both groups recognize this fact. It is the lazy corporate press that keeps conflating the two.

Vincardog

(20,234 posts)
68. The 99% group has a plan they want the "Delegates" from OWS to endorse it.
Sat Feb 25, 2012, 07:35 PM
Feb 2012

As I undersand it OWS does not want to be played and have the people believe that whomever is pushing this agenda
actually represents OWS.

Luminous Animal

(27,310 posts)
69. It's really quite simple. The press keeps conflating the two, OWS has issued
Sat Feb 25, 2012, 10:45 PM
Feb 2012

a clarification. The media, always looking for a sensational spin, pretends that it is splinter.

pipi_k

(21,020 posts)
30. Like someone else said...
Fri Feb 24, 2012, 11:03 AM
Feb 2012

this argument really is getting pretty old and tired because, people being what they are, we would have to claim the same thing about, oh...religions...most of them thinking they're the only TRUE religion with the only TRUE god.

Even down to infighting within the same sects of a religion. So are religious malcontents also "agitators", or are they people who truly believe they, and only they, are "right"?


People are always going to argue over sovereignty, and to claim that those who do it are merely "agitators" put there by the opposition is just ridiculous.

 

2pooped2pop

(5,420 posts)
25. they weren't really ever together
Fri Feb 24, 2012, 08:32 AM
Feb 2012

no grass roots holding anything there, just more corporate cash and fox news support.

grantcart

(53,061 posts)
71. The same problem exists for both movements
Sat Feb 25, 2012, 11:48 PM
Feb 2012


They are united in their opposition but are not united for a specific policy.


Americans are united in wanting to see parts of the government reduced.


Some want the Defense Department reduced and some want assitance to the poor reduced.

TheWraith

(24,331 posts)
4. Hah, you took the words out of my mouth.
Fri Feb 24, 2012, 01:33 AM
Feb 2012

I was literally about to bring up the "people's front" bit when I clicked to reply, and you'd edited to add that. That's just about as good an indictment of that as any, and the left is particularly vulnerable to it. Oh, it happens on the right too, but not one hundredth as much as on the left. Just look at people like Robert Reich and company, and imagine if a right-wing commentator had been as loudly and frequently critical of Bush over issues of style rather than substance. You'd have to imagine, because there are no actual instances to point at.

Some people just don't get that the entire point of party politics is to have one cohesive entity that can actually do something, and where multiple small organizations can come together under the same umbrella. Anybody who doesn't get WHY we have political parties shouldn't be pretending like they know anything about politics.

Luminous Animal

(27,310 posts)
19. Two different groups. Two different agendas. Not complicated at all.
Fri Feb 24, 2012, 02:52 AM
Feb 2012

But the idiot lazy press can't be bothered to distinguish between them.

TheWraith

(24,331 posts)
23. When he's wrong and having a temper tantrum, yes.
Fri Feb 24, 2012, 05:11 AM
Feb 2012

I see no reason to pretend a person is right when they're wrong.

 

2pooped2pop

(5,420 posts)
27. weren't you the guy who was not going to
Fri Feb 24, 2012, 08:35 AM
Feb 2012

post on empty OWS threads like this one? Maybe it was your buddy.

 

alcibiades_mystery

(36,437 posts)
7. This is why I stopped going to lefty meetings
Fri Feb 24, 2012, 02:14 AM
Feb 2012

Every single one I ever went to descended into a farce of this kind. Every one.

A total fucking joke.

The "amateur" activists get their claws in a thing and it turns into their little obsession, and it's suddenly some silly ass high schoolish nonsense, who's doing what to whom, and so on.

Luminous Animal

(27,310 posts)
11. Really. Since you seem to know so much... tell me how the 99% Declaration Working Group
Fri Feb 24, 2012, 02:24 AM
Feb 2012

who have repeatedly announced that they are not officially affiliated with OWS has descended into any kind of farce.

Both groups recognize that they have different methods and goals to achieve those methods.

It is the lazy press and their lazy readers who seem to have an investment of conflating the two.

Luminous Animal

(27,310 posts)
16. Every single lefty meeting that I've been a part of has gotten important things done..
Fri Feb 24, 2012, 02:42 AM
Feb 2012

I am a proud (ex-current) member of ACT UP, the Women's Action Coalition SF, Food Not Bombs, Houses Not Jails, Cop Watch Oakland, and Lesbian Avengers and Occupy SF.

The 99% Declaration Working Group has publicly announced that they are not OWS.

Why do you have a problem with that?

 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
29. One wonders if the problem lies with "lefty meetings" or merely
Fri Feb 24, 2012, 10:50 AM
Feb 2012

"Every single one I ever went to descended into a farce of this kind..."

One wonders if the problem lies with "lefty meetings" or merely your ability to discern the genuine from the frivolous, as the meetings I attend are serious, effective, and experienced in evaluating, laying out and then realize an objective or agenda.

However, I can certainly empathize with laying all the blame at the feet of the one while dismissing or even denying the other.

pipi_k

(21,020 posts)
32. Seems like
Fri Feb 24, 2012, 11:14 AM
Feb 2012

that's the way is usually is, though...

If you don't believe 100%...don't lockstep with the group...then you're not a REAL _______ (fill in the blank).

It applies to just about anything...politics...religion, etc.

That even applies here at DU, where one would think intelligent people would be able to agree to disagree on some things and get along with each other. One can't be a "real" Democrat/Liberal/whatever unless all the "rules" are followed.

Stray just a bit from those "rules" and risk being called anything from an "apologist" to a "Republican troll".

EFerrari

(163,986 posts)
35. Except when it isn't.
Fri Feb 24, 2012, 11:31 AM
Feb 2012

These are two different group who have only been yoked together in this article so the author could insult OWS.

EFerrari

(163,986 posts)
42. Do you know that they don't?
Fri Feb 24, 2012, 01:33 PM
Feb 2012

Maybe time to read up before you keep posting more misinformed attacks on OWS.

 

randome

(34,845 posts)
49. Any ideas on how to do that?
Fri Feb 24, 2012, 02:20 PM
Feb 2012

Because 'get the corporate money out of elections' sounds pretty open to interpretation.

Do you mean that anyone who works for a corporation cannot contribute?

Do you mean that corporations should not be consulted on legislation that affects them?

It's always more complicated than it seems.

zappaman

(20,606 posts)
50. I agree.
Fri Feb 24, 2012, 02:21 PM
Feb 2012

But I was responding to a poster who wanted to know a goal.
As far as I can see, this is one of many.
Maybe he can give you the answer.

Luminous Animal

(27,310 posts)
51. While that is a worthy goal, OWS seeks to address issues through consensus
Fri Feb 24, 2012, 02:32 PM
Feb 2012

and outside of electoral politics. The 99% Declaration Working Group seeks to change the system from within (i.e., running candidates for office.)

Also, the 99% Declaration Working Group is exclusionary. OWS is not.

The People of Color Working Group of OWS has addressed this:

https://www.facebook.com/permalink.php?story_fbid=306742022713249&id=335809589775158

Note these are SOME concerns that have been raised, and does not
represent a collective response from the PoC group or any other group:

"Must be a U.S. citizen or Lawful Permanent Resident and reside in the
Congressional District for which you are running on the date the polls
open in March."
This language is exclusionary to many in the immigrant community,
including undocumented immigrants.

"Delegates must not have been convicted of a violent felony offense in
the past 10 years."
This is exclusionary to some members of the formerly incarcerated
community, and alienating to presently incarcerated individuals,
formerly incarcerated individuals, their friends, family, and allies,
and those who are dedicated to Prison-Industrial Complex organizing
and activism.

"Elected Delegates MAY have to provide their date of birth for a
criminal background check ONLY if a name-search flags a violent felony
conviction within the past ten years."
SEE ABOVE. Also, this perpetruates the onslaught of stigma and shaming
that many formerly incarcerated individuals experience. It is not
conducive to organizing and activism dedicated to Prisoner Solidarity
and ending Mass Incarceration. (The 21st Grievance "[Curtailing
Private Prisons]" on the site barely touches upon the depth of the
racist Prison-Industrial Complex and comes across as a half-hearted
after thought.)

"Delegates must provide home address, a phone number and zip code (not
to be made public)."
Exclusionary to homeless individuals.


backscatter712

(26,355 posts)
56. Interesting. Looks like some huckster is trying to hijack the Occupy name for himself.
Fri Feb 24, 2012, 03:30 PM
Feb 2012

Not the first time this has happened, and won't be the last.

joshcryer

(62,279 posts)
8. Oh yeah, the "The 99 Percent Working Group, LTD." corporation is clearly representative.
Fri Feb 24, 2012, 02:17 AM
Feb 2012

They even use "Red, white, and Blue" imagery.

Luminous Animal

(27,310 posts)
9. Um... the 99% Declaration Working Group is not OWS. They've said so themselves.
Fri Feb 24, 2012, 02:18 AM
Feb 2012

It is an entirely different organization that the media, in their lazy ignorance, can't report properly.

Bonobo

(29,257 posts)
14. It's so cool the kinds of things you can find on the internet
Fri Feb 24, 2012, 02:33 AM
Feb 2012

Especially when you try to dig up things to defame an important social movement.

There's all sorts of cool stuff!!!

 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
18. Honestly, I've been told so many times by the same people
Fri Feb 24, 2012, 02:52 AM
Feb 2012

that this is just the internets and DU and no one cares or reads this place. Fine. I agree and laugh when they post stuff like in the OP. Monty Python is pretty dam funny.

They are right, none of it matters...it won't do one thing to the OWS movement.

Luminous Animal

(27,310 posts)
15. Why are you doing this? The 99% Declaration Group has admitted that they are not OWS.
Fri Feb 24, 2012, 02:35 AM
Feb 2012

The fact that the lazy ignorant press refuses to recognize that doesn't mean that we have to buy into their frame.

MLK disavowed the tactics of the Black Panthers. That did not mean that they did not have similar goals.

 

99th_Monkey

(19,326 posts)
20. But, but .. what about (GASP!) the 2 GROUPS WORK TOGETHER?
Fri Feb 24, 2012, 04:33 AM
Feb 2012

Nah, that would be too simple and too true to the Occupy movement's true spirit.

nevermind.

Luminous Animal

(27,310 posts)
46. The 99% Declaration Working Group is a non-transparent top down
Fri Feb 24, 2012, 02:09 PM
Feb 2012

led organization. OWS is not. Here is what the "leader", Michael Pollock thinks of OWS...

“OWS is a failure and there is no backup plan. it is antidemocratic and censors people outside of the narrow agenda of the small elite oligarchy that runs it; I have been down there and I saw them in action; they are a star chamber made up of anarchists and other antidemocratic movements who want everything and nothing. it cannot succeed; it has consumed it’s own oxygen and now the flame is out what a waste. we will press on with the nationwide election of delegates to a National General Assembly”


http://news.infoshop.org/article.php?story=20111217130645347

JNathanK

(185 posts)
21. I think each local, occupy group should be allowed to fuction independently. However...
Fri Feb 24, 2012, 04:37 AM
Feb 2012

...If they want to form a national, occupy group, there needs to be a list of objectives the majority of all Occupy communities agree on that everyone can be free to endorse or nod endorse.

 

2pooped2pop

(5,420 posts)
26. lets see
Fri Feb 24, 2012, 08:34 AM
Feb 2012

one group goes by OWS and the other goes by 99%. You see. Not the same. Why would anyone older than 3 need an explanation?

Javaman

(62,534 posts)
31. anyone ever think that this was purposely engineered?
Fri Feb 24, 2012, 11:11 AM
Feb 2012

It's been the long running mission of OWS not to have leaders.

However, that hasn't stopped self proclaimed leaders from trying.

since it is well known by now that OWS has been infiltrated by various police and government agencies, I wouldn't put it past them to try prop up some agent provocateur as being the "official" this or that of the OWS.

All of this smells like bullshit.

Javaman

(62,534 posts)
54. did I say that? no...
Fri Feb 24, 2012, 03:01 PM
Feb 2012

however, if you have been following the OWS, you would know of what I'm talking about.

It's apparent you do not.

cheers!

Tarheel_Dem

(31,245 posts)
57. "did I say that?"
Fri Feb 24, 2012, 05:37 PM
Feb 2012


"since it is well known by now that OWS has been infiltrated by various police and government agencies, I wouldn't put it past them to try prop up some agent provocateur as being the "official" this or that of the OWS."


Tarheel_Dem

(31,245 posts)
66. "Yes and?" It just seems that you aren't a completely truthful individual is all. Perhaps that....
Sat Feb 25, 2012, 06:35 PM
Feb 2012

isn't all that important to you as long as your argument is bolstered.

Javaman

(62,534 posts)
72. nice try.
Sun Feb 26, 2012, 01:47 PM
Feb 2012

I don't know what you are fishing for but you are looking in the wrong pond.

Tootles.

I stand by what I said and you have a problem with that. It appears, and I will state it yet again, you have obviously not been following the OWS movement, otherwise you would understand what I am saying.

But alas, you do not and choose not to research.

Have fun. We are done.

And best yet, you may now have the last word because it appears as if you desperately need that.

Cheers!

Tarheel_Dem

(31,245 posts)
74. I value consistency & truth, and you'd obviously rather be seen as winning the argument.
Sun Feb 26, 2012, 02:44 PM
Feb 2012

Honesty matters. So you have a nice day now, ya hear?

Javaman

(62,534 posts)
75. Winning what?
Mon Feb 27, 2012, 10:20 AM
Feb 2012

you really are that childish.

I made a statement regarding the OWS and you don't like it. It's really that simple.

I asked you a question regarding OWS and you never answered it.

We are done.

You may now have the last word again, because it appears as if you desperately require it.

waterwatcher123

(144 posts)
44. 99er Convention in Philadelphia
Fri Feb 24, 2012, 01:42 PM
Feb 2012

Hi,

This is my first post on DU. So, you will have to excuse me if I violate some of the conventions. I would say that, as a whole, you folks are really an incredible and generous group of people. I guess I never imagined that a community of "like minded" individuals could fight like family and then somehow support each other through such difficult times (bravo to you all).

With that said, I just wanted to mention that I watched this idea of holding the equivalent of a Continental Congress unfold during the OWS occupation of Zuccotti Park. From my vantage point (at the computer), it looked like the 99er Declaration organizer was a lawyer or journalist in the New York City area who had all kinds of energy and ideas. The 99er Declaration Committee worked with this fellow to draft a set of grievances that they hoped to use as starting point for the convention idea. This organizer then brought the idea of the convention and a draft list of grievances to the General Assembly in Zuccotti Park. It was not well received and the fellow behind the energy of the convention idea burned out and quit. Perhaps he is back (not sure if it is the same guy).

In any case, I think the idea is a great way to use the trappings of our democracy to raise some very important issues. What could be more fun that actually hammering out a list of grievances that represent the dreams of people from all walks of life? If enough people showed up and participated, the media would have no choice but to cover it. It would also be fun to take advantage of symbolism of Philadelphia on the 4th of July. Heck, it would even be possible to take a page from the Tea Party and dress the part.

I think we are all indebted to OWS for having the courage to challenge a system that increasingly favors the wealthy and well connected over everyone else. I just think that is impossible to ignore the "system" in bringing about this social change. The well connected use the system all the time to their advantage. It is about time that everyone else does the same.

Have a good one. I am for FDR's second bill of rights as a starting point for a list of grievances.

Waterwatcher123

Generic Other

(28,979 posts)
70. Welcome to DU
Sat Feb 25, 2012, 11:36 PM
Feb 2012

Thanks for the eyewitness report. Consensus building is a difficult, and maybe impossible goal. It takes cooperation, compromise and mutual respect all easily lost in the heat of the moment.

Do you think the time has come to go with a majority vote and elected representatives?

girl gone mad

(20,634 posts)
58. I don't get it.
Fri Feb 24, 2012, 06:05 PM
Feb 2012

The 99% Declaration person specifically stated: "We are not the official OWS group."

OWS has said repeatedly: "Any statement released outside of the movement's official website, "should be considered independent of Occupy Wall Street."

If it isn't reported on the official web site, it's not endorsed by OWS. When the leader of an independent group claims they are an independent group, they are not OWS.

What part of this is confusing to you?

 

fascisthunter

(29,381 posts)
60. better question is... is the OP trying to confuse readers
Fri Feb 24, 2012, 06:24 PM
Feb 2012

I'm sure the 1% appreciates the effort though.

Luminous Animal

(27,310 posts)
63. I hope you get an answer.
Fri Feb 24, 2012, 06:30 PM
Feb 2012

I really can't see the problem with these 2 groups clarifying an issue that the press is too lazy to figure out themselves.

 

Tierra_y_Libertad

(50,414 posts)
73. Kinda like the "Real" Democrats vs DINOS or Fringe or Professional Leftists or...
Sun Feb 26, 2012, 01:52 PM
Feb 2012

Pigeon holes are for pigeons.

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