How many of you people who are stressed out about spying are on Facebook?

[we can do it]

[leftstreet]

1. We all unfriended you about an hour ago

I kid

[we can do it]

4. Wait a minute - I'm not on Facebook.......

[Politicalboi]

9. Yes YOU are

I kid of coarse.

[leftstreet]

10. Then you, sir or madam, are no patriot!

[we can do it]

11. Well, I guess you gotta call 'em like you see 'em.

[1StrongBlackMan]

12. Shouldn't the first frame read ...

I give classified information on GOVERNMENT to you for free, and I'm the villian.

What information on corporations has he released? I recall he was going to do a big dump on Bank of America ... that never happened.

[leftstreet]

14. That's actually a good point

I just thought the graphic was funny re: Facebook

But yeah, Assange was going to release info on pharmaceuticals, finance, energy companies...wtf happened?

[kentuck]

44. I think your picture is right on target.

Zuckerberg is probably the best friend of the NSA? And he donates big time to causes he believes in. He could set an example for everyone on the Internet if he wanted to, in regards to protection of privacy. That would be a great patriotic act, imo.

[we can do it]

46. I agree. He'd sell his mom for 50 bucks IMO.

[1StrongBlackMan]

71. Isn't that the corporate prime objective ...

make money; without any concern for citizenry?

[1StrongBlackMan]

70. Doesn't that give you reason for pause? ...

There clearly is an anti-government thing going on ... but when you take down governments, what does that leave? Corporations!

I, by far, trust governments more than corporations.

[sabrina 1]

56. Actually no. Wikileaks exposed the corruption of the Iceland Banks which led to the destruction of

their economy. Iceland, unlike the US went after the Crooked Bankers and the corrupt Politicians who enabled them, rather than Julian Assange and Wikileaks. They arrested the Bankers, kicked out and arrested their corrupt politicians, and unlike the rest of Europe and the US who chose to 'look forward' from Wall St Criminals' their were able to get their economy back on track and regulate their banks.

Apparently Americans didn't realize that Wikileaks had exposed many criminals and corrupt politicians around the world before they released anything from the US..

It was the leaks on the Banks though that really got them in trouble with this country. You cannot go up against the Banks here. Their exposures of Iceland's Crooked Banks and their promise to release more on Big Banks here instilled terror in the hearts of Wall St Criminals and that was when the campaign to silence them began.

[1StrongBlackMan]

72. I think you are mistaken ...

as to the course of events..

But be that as it may ... I, by far, trust governments (read: representative governance) more than corporations that have no public accountability.

[sabrina 1]

78. I am not mistaken, but you are free to point out where you think I am and if you are correct

I will be more than happy to say so.

As for trusting Corps and/or Government, you seem stuck on the notion despite the many times I have explained my position on both to you, that I 'trust' Corporations. Lol, it IS funny.

Put it this way, I do not trust Governments who depend on untrustworthy Corporations to get themselves elected.

Any alliance between Government and Corporations is dangerous to a democracy. That is where we are right now. Corporate influence, money, has corrupted our system of government.

Neither can now be trusted. Corporations write our laws. Who allows that to happen? Congress. Corporations run our elections, no one who is not backed by enormous amounts of money, will not make it in today's America. That is the sad fact. So, we the people are deprived of possible great Progressive Candidates because Corporations don't like Progressive Democrats.

I trust neither.

[1StrongBlackMan]

88. Wow n/t

[OnyxCollie]

81. These are not the droids you are looking for.

Dude, that only works in the movies.

[1StrongBlackMan]

89. What are you talking about? n/t

[JackRiddler]

48. Actually, you are in their database.

Guaranteed. Everyone on the Internet has an FB data profile. They know you through cookies, through tracking you by like buttons, through your associations with people on FB, etc.

So what's the point? FB should also be limited, just like the NSA should be.

[we can do it]

52. That IS the point.

[Katashi_itto]

96. Thats ok, just post your SSA #, phone, sexual orientation and address here.

It's all good, we won't do anything with it.

Just for our records.

[Fumesucker]

2. Agent Mike?

Is that you?

[we can do it]

6. Darn, you caught me

[NuclearDem]

3. Dictionary: voluntary, consent.

[we can do it]

5. I voluntarily consent to having my personal habits SOLD to anyone with cash......

OK if you want to....not for me.

[frylock]

65. how about personal, private conversations with close friends or members of your family?

I don't see too many of you surveillance state fans posting transcripts of your phone conversations with your doctor. what gives? surely you've nothing to hide?

[sabrina 1]

7. It's amazing, isn't it? How people totally miss that point. Everything you sign up for

telephone co., internet server, fb et al, all have Privacy Statements that you get to read before you sign up. NONE of them say 'we will be sharing your data with the Government'.

For the record, I am not on FB because I never trusted them due to their demand for personal info. They were the first such social media corp that demanded so much info before signing up. So, I passed. Twitter operated the same way most other Internet forums operated, you could choose what to reveal or not.

[1StrongBlackMan]

15. And ...

Everything you sign up for telephone co., internet server, fb et al, all have Privacy Statements that you get to read before you sign up. NONE of them say 'we will be sharing your data with the Government'.

I'm thinking you are missing a very important point ... with the government, at least we have the illusion of democratic control, though our elected representatives ... on the other hand, and seemingly it's okay, we have been told repeatedly that we have no control of corporations.

Whom do you fear more?

[sabrina 1]

39. Who said anything about 'control' over Corporations? I am under no illusions about Government or

Corporations. But we still have a semblance of a judicial system, both Civil and Criminal. A contract broken in the Corporate World, can be taken to a Civil Court.

What is your recourse when a Politician makes promises then after s/he is elected, breaks those promises?


Many people have sued Corporations for violations of their agreements with them and won. So, there is a monitory incentive for a Corporation to be careful about such violations.

Politicians otoh, have no such incentive. They are free to break all the promises they make with no consequences.

It is a practical matter, not a matter of trust or a matter of morals. It is knowing your options.

Eg, I read Verizon's Privacy agreement to their Rep when I called to cancel them as a result of the revelations of spying on their customers. They did NOT say 'we have a right to do that'. They DENIED IT. They KNOW they will be facing lawsuits, in fact they are.

Five lawsuits have already been filed against Verizon so far, with many more expected.

So, no, it isn't a matter of trust, it is a matter of knowing that there are consequences for Corps who violate agreements.

[1StrongBlackMan]

69. You ...

Apparently trust corporations more than democracy.

What is your recourse when a Politician makes promises then after s/he is elected, breaks those promises?

Elections.

Many people have sued Corporations for violations of their agreements with them and won. So, there is a monitory incentive for a Corporation to be careful about such violations.

Are you kidding? You at once argue that government is controled by corporations and the courts (government) will protect you from corporations. Does that make any sense to you?

[sabrina 1]

75. Wrong again. You are confusing trust with the knowledge that the reality is there ARE tools that can

be used to hold one of those entities accountable.

The law has no jurisdiction over politicians who lie to get themselves elected. Maybe it should.

You are confusing 'trust' with a reality that is pretty obvious. I have tools with Verizon which I can use due their violation of their own Privacy Agreement with me. They published that agreement in order to help their business. They violated it. Now they can be held accountable.

I have no recourse with a politician who breaks an agreement in order to get my vote. It's simply my loss.

If you think that reading a Privacy Agreement to make sure that you are willing to agree with the practices of a business means you 'trust' them, then I can't help you.

I trust neither, which is why I read Privacy Agreements, Corporations or Politicians anymore. I used to, but not any more. But with one I can get accountability.

[1StrongBlackMan]

87. You're kidding, right?

No tools to hold politicians accountable? Then, that is wholly inconsistent with the, literally, hundreds of posts where you claim to be "holding this President's feet to the fire."

So that begs the question: do you believe what you are writing in this thread ... or on the other 99% of the threads where you take President Obama and Democrats to task?

Which leads to several other questions ...

[sabrina 1]

97. MY posts, hundreds of them, re 'holding this Presiden'ts feet to the fire'??? Then surely you can

produce at least ten such posts to jog my memory?

Let me ask you, are you seriously claiming that criticizing policies on the internet is 'holding them accountable' in the same way that taking a Corporation to court for breach of contract is??

Are you serious?

[1StrongBlackMan]

98. Well ...

you have no memory of "holding this Presiden'ts feet to the fire" (... Really?

That basic level of dishonesty means we have nothing further to discuss.

[sabrina 1]

99. So you can't. Didn't think so. Don't call someone dishonest if you are not prepared to prove it.

What this means is that YOU have nothing further to discuss. Hurling accusations with nothing to back them up generally does leave one with not much more to say when asked to prove those allegations.

Thank you.

[nadinbrzezinski]

45. Actually you can reveal what you want at FB as well

and it still nags me for NOT completing the profile.

I use it as a news paper add on. But because people reveal inane details at times... it is a boom for nosy reporters and cops alike... when people do that.

[we can do it]

47. FB sends cookies to your computer if you are not logged in.

[nadinbrzezinski]

58. Many servers do that, not just FB

America Online did that for over a decade. Cookies are a way to tell they world you have been on that site.

[sabrina 1]

49. Sure, you can give a fake name etc. But they asked for information no other forum was asking for

back then and I chose not to trust them. I was right, Zuckerman is not to be trusted though at the time I had no idea who he was. Call it instinct.

[nadinbrzezinski]

59. I gave them the exact same amount of detail I gave Twitter

[sabrina 1]

63. That was your choice. I gave them nothing, I gave Twitter nothing either but they didn't ask for

anything back when I joined.

[nadinbrzezinski]

67. Exactly, I gave them exactly the same

I gave Democratic Underground too... I post using my name. That is the extent they got...

You can give as much (and most do put insane amounts of details) or as little as you want.

[cherokeeprogressive]

8. Please tell me what I should be worried about concerning Facebook.

My Facebook profile contains my name, my date of birth, and the high school I attended.

?

[we can do it]

13. Is your google broke? - Oh never mind they sell your info, too.

[Union Scribe]

18. Can they arrest you? nt

[we can do it]

34. Can your phone arrest you?

[Union Scribe]

41. I can't tell if you really don't get it

or if you're just screwing around.

Edit: Reading your other replies tells me it's actually both. Tragic.

[we can do it]

50. Poor humor, possibly...tragedy - nope.

I haven't been kidding myself that I live with any sense of privacy. Your credit cards/ banks spy on you, your phone records have always been available, your bartender knows what drinks you like, your phone knows your location, ad infinitum. I am not the one who is pretending here.

[1StrongBlackMan]

91. Actually ...

Yes ... corporations can arrest you (but they call it "detain until the proper authorities arrive to take custody&quot .

But what corporations CAN do is d, and do, do is drop your credit score to 110; meaning no house, no car, no credit and no job ... but more troubling, no recourse.

[cherokeeprogressive]

28. Actually, it's much more likely I'd come under the microscope of your "Big Brother" for buying lamb

from a halal butcher than posting on Facebook.

Grok that?

[we can do it]

33. OMG111! They've bugged the meat now?11!? Glad I'm a vegetarian

Just have to remember to avoid the quinoa.

[cherokeeprogressive]

35. Look, I understand the thread isn't going quite the way you imagined...

I have to say though, I don't have much patience for people who think being obtuse is somehow akin to being witty.

Run along and play with someone else for a while...

[we can do it]

43. See ya then.......

wow my thought control must be working....

[Art_from_Ark]

32. Same with me

Just enough information to let people know I'm still alive.

[steve2470]

16. Hey, good point ! I think DHS should install chips in all of us, lovely idea.

[we can do it]

17. Maybe they could put cameras on street corners and keep track of where we drive.

[steve2470]

20. yep, cameras in our homes next, lovely idea also

[we can do it]

21. Maybe XBox could use it's camera to spy on you, too...

[steve2470]

22. yes splendid idea, I eagerly await my DHS-installed thought monitoring device

[we can do it]

29. And don't forget, if you are not a paid member of DU,

appropriate ads will be chosen for you that correspond to your browsing preferences.

[steve2470]

31. true ! I surrender to Scott McNealy who said in 1999 "You have zero privacy anyway.

Get over it".

Silly me !

[we can do it]

61. He was being honest - you can't have access to everything without being accessed.

[usGovOwesUs3Trillion]

76. He was wrong, too

No matter how much you privacy deniers, deny... the rest of us, citizens, business, and government, rely on online privacy daily.

Now, we know there are PIRATES out there, but they are operating outside the law, and the law-breakers will be held to account when caught.

well, that's how it used to work.

[Amonester]

26. Yep. Soon they'll secretly require all WALL manufacturers to imbed microscopic

Wireless cameras in every joint they make and sell.

Yep.

Paranoia will not save anyone.

[we can do it]

30. The Kinks were right - Paranoia may destroy ya

[Amonester]

42. Yes. Proverbial "bad luck" may get me...

But there's as much chances "bad luck" (getting arrested on BS charges made up from illegal-or-legal snoops) as there are odds of me winning the maxi-million jackpot...

No need to get paranoid about it.

[HardTimes99]

51. Since you mention the Kinks, I want to live like an

Ape Man:

|

]

I think I'm sophisticated
cos I'm living my life like a good homosapien
But all around me everybodys multiplying
Till theyre walking round like flies man
So I'm no better than the anI'mals sitting in their cages
In the zoo man
cos compared to the flowers and the birds and the trees
I am an ape man

I think I'm so educated and I'm so civilized
cos I'm a strict vegetarian
But with the over-population and inflation and starvation
And the crazy politicians
I dont feel safe in this world no more
I dont want to die in a nuclear war
I want to sail away to a distant shore
and make like an ape man

I'm an ape man, I'm an ape ape man
I'm an ape man I'm a king kong man I'm ape ape man
I'm an ape man

Cos compared to the sun that sits in the sky
Compared to the clouds as they roll by
Compared to the bugs and the spiders and flies
I am an ape man

In mans evolution he has created the cities and
The motor traffic rumble, but give me half a chance
And I'd be taking off my clothes and living in the jungle
cos the only time that I feel at ease
Is swinging up and down in a coconut tree
Oh what a life of luxury to be like an ape man

I'm an ape, I'm an ape ape man, I'm an ape man
I'm a king kong man, I'm a voo-doo man
I'm an ape man

I look out my window, but I cant see the sky
cos the air pollution is fogging up my eyes
I want to get out of this city alive
And make like an ape man

Come and love me, be my ape man girl
And we will be so happy in my ape man world

I'm an ape man, I'm an ape ape man, I'm an ape man
I'm a king kong man, I'm a voo-doo man
I'm an ape man

I'll be your tarzan, you'll be my jane
I'll keep you warm and youll keep me sane
And well sit in the trees and eat bananas all day
Just like an ape man

I'm an ape man, I'm an ape ape man, I'm an ape man
I'm a king kong man, I'm a voo-doo man
I'm an ape man.

I dont feel safe in this world no more
I dont want to die in a nuclear war
I want to sail away to a distant shore
And make like an ape man.

La la la la la la la.

[usGovOwesUs3Trillion]

19. Apples and Oranges

[we can do it]

25. So now it's apple's fault

[usGovOwesUs3Trillion]

27. the deniers got nothing but childish schoolyard insults

and walls of smilies.

lame

[we can do it]

37. Who's a denier? I never lived in a fantasy world thinking I had privacy.

Are you honestly shocked that this is happening? There have been spies all through history.

[usGovOwesUs3Trillion]

54. Oh, I get it now

[UTUSN]

23. R#1 & K for, is this a trick question?!1 n/t

[we can do it]

24. For some people it could be.

[La Lioness Priyanka]

36. i know what i reveal on facebook. however i dont assume that level of exposure

when i talk on the phone or write emails

[we can do it]

38. And those who you connect to reval about you.

[we can do it]

40. We've all been up for sale in one way or another since birth.

[forestpath]

53. I'm not on Facebook.

[we can do it]

55. Welcome to our small club.

[forestpath]

66. LOL, thanks.

[Union Scribe]

68. ...or reactivate old DU accounts

to insult people with...

[ohheckyeah]

73. One has nothing to do with the other. n/t

[TransitJohn]

74. Where does Facebook fit in with the other branches and checks and balances?

I missed that Schoolhouse Rock.

[Bonobo]

93. This.

Facebook does not have the power to jail you.

If anyone thinks that is a small difference, they need to buy a vowel.

[winter is coming]

77. I'm not "stressed out" about spying; I'm pissed off. I don't do Facebook. n/t

[JoeyT]

79. I'm not.

But consenting to have your data mined because you want to post pictures of the sandwich you're eating in real-time isn't the same as having your data mined without your consent. Especially when the people doing it without your consent have the power to arrest you.

[Warren DeMontague]

80. How many cancer grannies has Facebook thrown in prison for smoking pot?

[pansypoo53219]

82. i feel like facebook is spying.

or stalking.

[Atman]

83. Where is this "demand" for information from FB?

They frequently request info from me, such as where I went to school, or my address, etc. Simply don't give it to them. It's entirely your choice, even down to what name you provide. Then, install one or two anti-tracking plug-ins in your browser...problem (mostly) solved. But if you're online and somehow worried about privacy, you're pretty foolish or not being careful.

[PowerToThePeople]

84. what is this "facebook" you talk about

is it a DU group?

[Electric Monk]

85. Your username doesn't suit you very well. 'Just sayin. nt

[davidpdx]

86. Don't expect the schizoids

to give you a direct answer. They are too busy reapplying the tinfoil every 15 minutes.

[hobbit709]

90. what my FB profile says is 90% inaccurate.

i deliberately set it up that way.

[Coyotl]

92. Where is your beef?

Err, content?

[damnedifIknow]

94. She would have loved FB

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[TalkingDog]

95. Under which of my 3 pseudonyms?

complete with wildly varying "personal" information and different sets of "friends".

Cause I might use Facebook, but I've never been an idiot.