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babylonsister

(171,059 posts)
Tue Aug 13, 2013, 07:52 PM Aug 2013

Rand Paul Face Plants On Fox News By Not Knowing What The President Actually Does

http://www.politicususa.com/2013/08/13/rand-paul-face-plants-fox-news-knowing-president.html

Rand Paul Face Plants On Fox News By Not Knowing What The President Actually Does

By: Jason Easley
Aug. 13th, 2013


Sen. Rand Paul tried to convince America that Obama is committing a crime, but instead he fell flat on his face and showed the world that he doesn’t know what the president actually does.

Video from Fox News @ link~

Sen. Paul was trying to build the case that it is illegal for President Obama to delay parts of the ACA when his intellectual choo-choo went off the tracks. Paul said, “The way our country works is that legislation is written by Congress, passed by your representatives, the president doesn’t get to write legislation, and it’s illegal and unconstitutional for him to change legislation himself.”

Rand Paul doesn’t understand what the role of the president is. The Executive Branch is in charge of implementing the law. The whole problem with Sen. Paul’s argument is that he referred to the ACA as legislation, but it isn’t legislation. The Affordable Care Act is the law, and Executive Branch has been constitutionally given the power to implement the law. These sorts of delays in implementation are common. Both Democratic and Republican administrations have used them.

The Supreme Court has found that it is constitutional for the Executive Branch to delay the implementation of a law, “As held by former Chief Justice William Rehnquist in a leading case on this subject, Heckler v. Chaney, courts must respect an agency’s presumptively superior grasp of “the many variables involved in the proper ordering of its priorities.” Chief Justice Rehnquist suggested that courts could lose their deference to Executive Branch judgment if an “agency has consciously and expressly adopted a general policy that is so extreme as to amount to an abdication of its statutory responsibilities.” The Obama Administration has not and is not about to abdicate its responsibility to implement the statute on whose success his historical legacy will most centrally depend.”

This means that Rand Paul exhibited not only an ignorance of the constitution, but I think the Kentucky senator doesn’t know what the Executive Branch actually does.
The president doesn’t write or change legislation. He implements the law. The law is not legislation. The Executive Branch can’t rewrite it. How can President Obama be both breaking the law, and rewriting legislation at the same time on the ACA? The ACA can’t be both legislation and a law, so which is it? As soon as President Obama signed it, the ACA was a law.

Rand Paul’s ignorance of the how the government that he is supposed to be serving in works is astounding. Rand Paul wants to be president. He will be running for the Republican nomination in 2016, and lots of Republicans will probably vote for him.

Paul symbolizes the ignorance of a political opposition that is completely clueless about how their government operates. Anybody who stands with Rand should be forced to wear an I’m With Stupid t-shirt.
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Rand Paul Face Plants On Fox News By Not Knowing What The President Actually Does (Original Post) babylonsister Aug 2013 OP
Maybe he can tag-team with Sarah "President of the Senate!" Palin Scootaloo Aug 2013 #1
What does a VP do anyway? Politicalboi Aug 2013 #5
RP kardonb Aug 2013 #13
also 90-percent Aug 2013 #16
Or work for her in the Dept. of Law... truebluegreen Aug 2013 #18
To be fair Summer Hathaway Aug 2013 #2
+100. So true. n/t FSogol Aug 2013 #3
To be fairer....the whole world isn't gonna know what he said because the real world doesn't winterpark Aug 2013 #33
And this man wants to be president??? greatauntoftriplets Aug 2013 #4
What did you expect he had to form his own... Ophthalmology Board. Historic NY Aug 2013 #38
He doesn't know what is in the Constitution either. livetohike Aug 2013 #6
For his base, that's no problem. Turbineguy Aug 2013 #7
This evening, CNN's Erin Burnett gave this highly ignoramus partisan hack several minutes to spout indepat Aug 2013 #8
In the teevee biz, it is the Producers who make the decision Link Speed Aug 2013 #10
I don't think he'd recognize the truth if it bit him on the ass. Blue Idaho Aug 2013 #9
"Any publicity is good publicity." JohnnyLib2 Aug 2013 #11
Rand Paul doesn't live in the same space time continuum as the rest of us. He wants us to FOAD. freshwest Aug 2013 #12
When I started reading "Rand Paul faces plants......" I had an image of Rand Paul debating a..... LongTomH Aug 2013 #14
He probably would lose a debate to a house plant! Initech Aug 2013 #17
I heard him talk about "class" in the USA Iliyah Aug 2013 #15
This whole article presupposes mindwalker_i Aug 2013 #19
He could also be playing on the ignorance of the Fox News audience. gulliver Aug 2013 #20
Why should we expect him to know how the government works? Marie Marie Aug 2013 #21
He's an anti-government ideologue in a time of Republican obstructionism struggle4progress Aug 2013 #22
You're actually giving ideologues a bad name by elevating a demagogue and HardTimes99 Aug 2013 #23
Rand Paul Face Plants DainBramaged Aug 2013 #24
"Anybody who stands with Rand should be forced to wear an I’m With Stupid t-shirt." alp227 Aug 2013 #25
medea haz a sad; dionysus Aug 2013 #28
Doh, I should have read the thread... SidDithers Aug 2013 #32
I'm not saying Rand Paul is a smart cookie but... cui bono Aug 2013 #26
Actually, it doesn't matter what paul believes ... 1StrongBlackMan Aug 2013 #39
Exactly. n/t cui bono Aug 2013 #44
AynRand Paul got his degree from Pep Boys BumRushDaShow Aug 2013 #27
Preaching to his choir. mountain grammy Aug 2013 #29
he should just go ahead and put a tomato plant on the back of his head due to the face Javaman Aug 2013 #30
Code Pink's favourite... SidDithers Aug 2013 #31
K & R Scurrilous Aug 2013 #34
Is he hitting on the ol' bong? Huffing Nitrous? What? This is the Constitution "expert" of the.... marble falls Aug 2013 #35
This is how I used to explain it................ mrmpa Aug 2013 #36
"The judicial branch interprets the law" Botany Aug 2013 #41
I should have further stated.......... mrmpa Aug 2013 #42
Rand Paul should pay more attention to how the government actually Cha Aug 2013 #37
DU trolls do a better job of bashing Obama than Rand Paul Coyotl Aug 2013 #40
Don'tcha know Obama is spose to step and fetch it? Spitfire of ATJ Aug 2013 #43
 

Politicalboi

(15,189 posts)
5. What does a VP do anyway?
Tue Aug 13, 2013, 08:11 PM
Aug 2013

But she passed the "beauty contest" and that's enough for the males of the GOP. Too stupid to look up the job she was accepting. That's how low they've gone. You need no qualifications at all unless of coarse your a Democrat. Only then, it matters.

Summer Hathaway

(2,770 posts)
2. To be fair
Tue Aug 13, 2013, 08:00 PM
Aug 2013

there are millions of Americans who don't have a clue about how the US government works.

They are called "Republicans".

winterpark

(168 posts)
33. To be fairer....the whole world isn't gonna know what he said because the real world doesn't
Wed Aug 14, 2013, 03:55 PM
Aug 2013

watch fox nuz.

Historic NY

(37,449 posts)
38. What did you expect he had to form his own... Ophthalmology Board.
Wed Aug 14, 2013, 05:45 PM
Aug 2013

Except the American Board of Ophthalmology, the board that certifies ophthalmologists, says he isn’t one.

Rand Paul, however, likes to tell people he is “board-certified.” Though he isn’t board-certified by the American Board of Ophthalmology, he is certified by the National Board of Ophthalmology. That latter “group” though is an organization led by Rand Paul.


Read more at http://wonkette.com/416013/is-rand-paul-a-board-certified-opthamologist#dQ84oLBdikOFO3JA.99

Turbineguy

(37,324 posts)
7. For his base, that's no problem.
Tue Aug 13, 2013, 08:21 PM
Aug 2013

Because if he's President and he has no clue, he'll disband the government. Corporations will fall in line with market forces. If the pedophile that runs a daycare center molests your child, you'll send the child elsewhere for care! That's how market forces work. Rapists who run for-profit homeless shelters will remind women why they became homeless in the first place. They like fresh air! Financial predators who steal your entire retirement will only do so once!

indepat

(20,899 posts)
8. This evening, CNN's Erin Burnett gave this highly ignoramus partisan hack several minutes to spout
Tue Aug 13, 2013, 08:32 PM
Aug 2013

his insanity. Way to go, Erin.

 

Link Speed

(650 posts)
10. In the teevee biz, it is the Producers who make the decision
Tue Aug 13, 2013, 08:39 PM
Aug 2013

not some talking head such as Erin Burnett.

She simply regurgitates the questions provided by staff.

Blue Idaho

(5,049 posts)
9. I don't think he'd recognize the truth if it bit him on the ass.
Tue Aug 13, 2013, 08:32 PM
Aug 2013

Rand is just a typical republican. Just like Uncle Ronnie - all they know how to do is look right in the camera's lens and lie their asses off.

freshwest

(53,661 posts)
12. Rand Paul doesn't live in the same space time continuum as the rest of us. He wants us to FOAD.
Tue Aug 13, 2013, 08:40 PM
Aug 2013


That's gonna leave a mark. But don't stop now, Rand. And we're not going away. We'll be smiting your lying, whiny ass from Here to Eternity.

LongTomH

(8,636 posts)
14. When I started reading "Rand Paul faces plants......" I had an image of Rand Paul debating a.....
Tue Aug 13, 2013, 09:31 PM
Aug 2013

......house plant......and losing!

mindwalker_i

(4,407 posts)
19. This whole article presupposes
Tue Aug 13, 2013, 09:50 PM
Aug 2013

that knowing how government work, or caring, has anything to do with how Republicans work.

gulliver

(13,180 posts)
20. He could also be playing on the ignorance of the Fox News audience.
Tue Aug 13, 2013, 10:11 PM
Aug 2013

Playing dumb and being dumb are the life's blood of Republicanism.

Marie Marie

(9,999 posts)
21. Why should we expect him to know how the government works?
Tue Aug 13, 2013, 10:11 PM
Aug 2013

He doesn't believe in government. A true Libertarian a-hole. What scares me is that there are too many other Libertarian a-holes that worship him.

struggle4progress

(118,282 posts)
22. He's an anti-government ideologue in a time of Republican obstructionism
Tue Aug 13, 2013, 11:39 PM
Aug 2013

Ignorance has nothing to do with this one way or the other: he'd make glib anti-administration jibes under most circumstances, and he's especially fast and loose with the facts right now because the Republicans' current game is Pizz-on-Obama

 

HardTimes99

(2,049 posts)
23. You're actually giving ideologues a bad name by elevating a demagogue and
Tue Aug 13, 2013, 11:59 PM
Aug 2013

charlatan like Paul into their hallowed ranks.

Like most demagogues and charlatans, Paul stands for nothing more than the raw exercise of power, devoid of ideas, morality and ethics and reliant solely upon the base emotions of his followers.

alp227

(32,020 posts)
25. "Anybody who stands with Rand should be forced to wear an I’m With Stupid t-shirt."
Wed Aug 14, 2013, 12:08 PM
Aug 2013

Sadly, including Medea Benjamin?

cui bono

(19,926 posts)
26. I'm not saying Rand Paul is a smart cookie but...
Wed Aug 14, 2013, 12:20 PM
Aug 2013

this OP only makes sense if you think these goons believe what they say. I believe they don't and they say these things to get their stupid, ignorant base riled up. Now you're going to hear Paul and Fox' minions repeating this over and over again. And they'll believe it to be true.

Republicons will say whatever they like as long as it gets them to their end game. They're not necessarily eve hypocrites since they don't believe what they are saying, they are intentionally lying to manipulate their base and the general public, and to create a false narrative in the media.

 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
39. Actually, it doesn't matter what paul believes ...
Wed Aug 14, 2013, 09:11 PM
Aug 2013

He said the words “(President) Obama”, “illegal” and “Unconstitutional” … the rest of the words don’t matter to the fox audience.

Javaman

(62,521 posts)
30. he should just go ahead and put a tomato plant on the back of his head due to the face
Wed Aug 14, 2013, 02:52 PM
Aug 2013

that his face is just about in the dirt all the time.

marble falls

(57,080 posts)
35. Is he hitting on the ol' bong? Huffing Nitrous? What? This is the Constitution "expert" of the....
Wed Aug 14, 2013, 04:31 PM
Aug 2013

conservative Congress? Just cause he says it and believes it don't make it so.

mrmpa

(4,033 posts)
36. This is how I used to explain it................
Wed Aug 14, 2013, 04:56 PM
Aug 2013

to my US Government students in high school

1. The legislature branch passes law
2. The executive branch enforces the law
3. The judicial branch interprets the law

Botany

(70,501 posts)
41. "The judicial branch interprets the law"
Thu Aug 15, 2013, 10:21 AM
Aug 2013

It was upheld by the SCOTUS so it aka Obamacare or the Affordable Care Act, is
THE LAW OF LAND.

I don't know if Paul is stuck on stupid or if he and the other republicans know that
the A.C.A. will work and will be popular so they must try to stop it.

mrmpa

(4,033 posts)
42. I should have further stated..........
Thu Aug 15, 2013, 11:47 AM
Aug 2013

the Judicial Branch interprets the law & judges it constitutional or not.

Cha

(297,196 posts)
37. Rand Paul should pay more attention to how the government actually
Wed Aug 14, 2013, 05:38 PM
Aug 2013

works than trying to trash it. Otherwise he just ends up looking stupid.

Anyone who does stand with rand is stupid.

 

Coyotl

(15,262 posts)
40. DU trolls do a better job of bashing Obama than Rand Paul
Thu Aug 15, 2013, 12:35 AM
Aug 2013

Kidding. We all know there are no trolls on DU, just diverse opinions

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