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Why the Anger?
Monday, August 12, 2013
Why is the nation more bitterly divided today than its been in eighty years? Why is there more anger, vituperation, and political polarization now than even during Joe McCarthys anti-communist witch hunts of the 1950s, the tempestuous struggle for civil rights in the 1960s, the divisive Vietnam war, or the Watergate scandal?
If anything, youd think this would be an era of relative calm. The Soviet Union has disappeared and the Cold War is over. The Civil Rights struggle continues, but at least we now have a black middle class and even a black President. While the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan have been controversial, the all-volunteer army means young Americans arent being dragged off to war against their will. And although politicians continue to generate scandals, the transgressions dont threaten the integrity of our government as did Watergate.
And yet, by almost every measure, Americans are angrier today. Theyre more contemptuous of almost every major institution government, business, the media. Theyre more convinced the nation is on the wrong track. And they are far more polarized.
Political scientists say the gap between the median Republican voter and the median Democrat is wider today on a whole host of issues than its been since the 1920s. .....................(more)
The complete piece is at: http://robertreich.org/post/58082787864
xchrom
(108,903 posts)Vinnie From Indy
(10,820 posts)There is a great deal of money in selling hate by these people and businesses.
n2doc
(47,953 posts)They spew hate, and teach envy of everyone else, no mater how little they might have. The hate is constant on those channels. It is echoed by the GOP leadership. I have been amazed that there hasn't been a worse reaction to it.
SharonAnn
(13,771 posts)Dawson Leery
(19,348 posts)Safetykitten
(5,162 posts)Egalitarian Thug
(12,448 posts)Every point he thinks he's making is one of the reasons for the anger.
Solly Mack
(90,758 posts)I think everything he did threatened the integrity of our government. And a lot of people are still very angry about that.
tabasco
(22,974 posts)and a growing divide between rich and poor.
What are your questions?
WEALTH DISTRIBUTION IN THE UNITED STATES
onpatrol98
(1,989 posts)Sooooooooo, he thinks income inequality may be the reason, does he? Imagine that...
Reich Says NAFTA Will Bring Jobs
By Marshall Ingwerson / August 9, 1993
THE North American Free Trade Agreement is one of the administration's top priorities this coming fall, but it will be a "hard sell," says Labor Secretary Robert Reich.
http://www.csmonitor.com/1993/0809/09072.html
Bandit
(21,475 posts)Your post is a good example of exactly what his article is all about.
onpatrol98
(1,989 posts)This guy (like many others) participated in the continuation and expanding of this gap. He's not a messenger. He participated in one of the reasons why this gap has increased over the years. With me, he doesn't get to stand by and now pontificate on the wealth gap.
Robert was one of the many...convinced that NAFTA would bring us jobs!!! Good paying jobs.
Good democrats were thrown under the bus, by the likes of Reich and others to get NAFTA pushed through.
Robert was wrong. Now, being wrong didn't affect Robert negatively. Robert has become wealthier and wealthier over the years. But, being wrong did affect Americans now suffering without jobs. Those same Americans that Robert can't seem to figure out what they have to be so angry about.
So, yes. I'm perfectly okay with suggesting "hands caught in the cookie bowl" Robert has been part of the problem. He doesn't get to pretend to be an innocent bystander in this mystery. Some of us remember. And, forgetting is dangerous with this crew. He'll be trotting out support for the next American job killing notion before long. Just watch and see. I think these people should apologize for helping decimate the American workforce.
And, until then, I trust very little that proceeds from their mouth.
zeemike
(18,998 posts)And insist on 100% purity before you can take anyone serious...
I wonder whether you can live up to those same standards...have you always been right?...if not, can we dismiss what you say?
onpatrol98
(1,989 posts)First of all, this can't seriously be taken as an attack. He pushed bad policies. He pushed policies that exacerbated the wealth gap. Now, he's blaming the wealth gap for America's anger issue.
Am I really wrong to suggest that perhaps he has contributed to America's problem???
Okay! I'll take that.
But, I can insist on whatever I want before I take someone seriously. You can insist on whatever you want, before you take someone seriously. This is the wonderful way that the world works.
It is not, in my humble opinion, "insisting on purity" to suggest that someone who has contributed to the wealth gap, comes across as somewhat disingenuous to me, as he mulls over the anger issues of average Americans as it relates to the wealth gap.
But, hey! That's just me. Feel free to simply ignore my posts, if you choose.
zeemike
(18,998 posts)But to discuss things with them right or wrong.
But then if you apply that evenly you cannot trust anything Bill Clinton said ether....or Hillary.....or even Jimmy Carter bless his soul....for they all fall short of perfection....as do we all.
I don't know that he did contribute to the wealth gap...all I know is that every time I read something by him it sounds right to me...and I respect what he has to say.
riderinthestorm
(23,272 posts)a great deal of culpability in fact, for the state of affairs and the wealth gap.
It can be both.
I believe that if Reich were honest with himself he'd agree as well.
Vinnie From Indy
(10,820 posts)Both are right!
I'm not aware if Reich has ever revisited his support of NAFTA since that time.
Cheers
markiv
(1,489 posts)faster than anyone i can think of
kelliekat44
(7,759 posts)of fear and hate through its media outlets on cable and radio.
Liberal_Stalwart71
(20,450 posts)1-Old-Man
(2,667 posts)How to explain that?
Marr
(20,317 posts)It boils down to wealth disparity.
ananda
(28,834 posts)And that is a real shame because we all
truly have more in common than not.
kelliekat44
(7,759 posts)Zoeisright
(8,339 posts)Dumbing down by repukes by slashing education = accomplished
Repukes stealing all of the money so most people are broke and angry = accomplished
Repukes pitting people against each other instead of being angry at the real crooks = accomplished
Repukes fueling racism because it's easier than thinking = accomplished
That's your answer.
Liberal_Stalwart71
(20,450 posts)That is clearer to me now that it has been in nearly 5 years.
Even with everything that Bush II and the Republicans did to (deliberately) destroy this economy and our reputation around the world, the majority of the anger, vitriol and pure hatred has been directed at THIS president.
Fuck Watergate! And there's always been income and wealth disparity, even though it's now more pronouced. Why weren't people up in arms about this during the Bush II era? Why? I tell you why: The black man is now in the White House and people are outraged! OUTRAGED!!!!
Some of the vitriol has its basis in latent racism. Some of it is subtle or implicit. Perhaps even on a subsconcious level, there's discomfort with seeing a black family in the White House. But, much of it is deliberate and explicit in terms of Republicans (and some Democrats who side with them) who are purposefully attempting to sabotage this economy and blame the president for it.
That's how I see it and it's going to take an awful lot to convince me otherwise.
Reich needs to tell the truth here.
ETA: For the poster who wrongly referred to Robert Reich as Robert "NAFTA" Reich, Robert was actually very much opposed to NAFTA, which was one of the reasons why he left the Clinton White House.
zeemike
(18,998 posts)Have we forgotten the Clinton years and the 24/7 outrage at Monica scandal?...I haven't...I remember it well because I was on the net arguing with them.
There would be the same level of anger if Hillary would have been president....or McCain.
Angry people can be manipulated and that is what they want....and racism is just the tool they are now using...but they have lots of tools in their box.
Liberal_Stalwart71
(20,450 posts)to throw him out of office. In fact, the more the Republicans tried to throw him out, the higher his job approval numbers increased.
For me, it was baffling why more Americans weren't angry with Bush II, his Republican criminal cabal (and the cooperating Democrats) for what they did to this country. Instead, their outrage has been reserved for this president--again, not directed at the Republicans who continue to get away with everything.
Just look here on DU and all the anti-Obama threads and rhetoric. For every Republican hate thread, there are at least a dozen anti-Obama threads. It's ridiculous. No one has held the Republicans accountable for anything they've done and continue to do to sabotage this nation's economy and regress this country to where it was since the Great Depression. Actually, the Republicans would love it if we regressed to pre-Civil War times!
Let me tell this story:
Last night I went to dinner with a group of friends. All of us work for the federal government. One of my friends works for the NSA. I work at HUD. A few others work for DOT, EPA, USDA. All of us have been able to get furlough days reduced or completely rescinded, and we think it is because Obama has been negotiating behind the scenes and directly with agency heads, OMB, and the federal unions, to stop cuts in S&E; instead, targeting any wasteful spending or getting rid of discretionary programs that are no longer effective. As a result, we have no additional furlough days, and many other agencies are in the same boat (for now, that is).
And still, the guy who works for NSA--who concidently had NO furlough days at all and therefore had no cause to complain--blamed Obama for sequestration. The rest of us sat there at the dinner table looking dumbfounded and having to explain to him what happened and how the Republicans held budget negotiations hostage until we had no choice but to have sequestion.
Anyway, it's been like this now for damn near 5 years.
Case in point: Our agency and most agencies just completed and submitted our FY15 budget requests to OMB. So now, OMB (headed by the president) is reviewing that budget. Now mind you, we have submitted an FY12, FY13, FY14 and now FY15 budget request. The president, in return, has submitted an FY12, FY13, FY14 and will submit an FY15 budget request to Congress. What have we gotten in return? We did get a reduced budget for FY12 after nearly shutting down the government, but most of the negotiations thereafter have resulted in Continuing Resolutions up to this point. FY13, the latest budget, resulted in a Continuing Resolution, and of course FY14, which Congress will fight over when they get back, will likely result in yet another Continuing Resolution. (Not to mention, there's another debt ceiling fight before the FY14 budget fight begins, which means we could face another government shutdown along with another possible sequestration.) This has NEVER happened before---NEVER!! Not until the black Muslim from Kenya dared showed his face in the White House!!
But rest assured, the first thing the Republicans will do when they get back is not work on a jobs bill or pass the $5 billion infrastructure jobs bill that is ready for Obama's signature and being held up by the Republicans in the House. Hell, no! That would mean more jobs and a better economy and we can't have the black Muslim from Kenya receiving ANY credit for that. As Boehner would say, HELL NO WE CAN'T!!!
No, what the Republicans will do instead is run to the cameras and the corporate media and complain that the president has not submitted any budget request; that the president has no plan for jobs, and has not put together anything. And sure enough, watch as many Democrats--even the ones here on DU--fall in line, sucumbing to the Republican (and Corporate Media) false meme that the president has no plan.
Damnit I just explained that we submitted all these budget requests and that those requests were reviewed and submitted to Congress from the president!! And yet, there are STILL people here on DU who listen to the Republican Party, a recalcitrant corporate media, and some liberal commentators that Obama hasn't done anything!!
UGH!! It's so frustrating!! We're working our asses off here. We do all this work to put this shit together and get nothing in return but ridicule from Americans about how horrible government is and how lazy and awful government workers are.
And now you know why I believe in my heart that this is about race. It *IS* about race. Plain and simple.
No other president in the history of this great Republic has EVER been asked to submit his birth certificate and PROVE that he is a legitimate American president, duly elected by the American people. TWICE!!
No other president in the history of this great Republic has EVER been held hostage in terms of deliberately not raising the debt ceiling as punishment for having alternative ideas!!
No other president in the history of this great Republic has EVER been forced to work with an opposition party where NOT ONE member wanted to work with him or compromise in some way. Even Bill Clinton, as much as the Republicans despised him, was able to get SOME Republicans onboard and get things done. Bill was never faced with debt ceiling challenges or constant Continuing Resolutions instead of the required Appropriations Bills. George Bush II never vetoed any spending bill, always raised the debt ceiling, and was always able to sign infrastructure project bills, Appropriations bills that are, by the way, required by the U.S. Constitution!!
With all that said, I really appreciate your response and the candor with which you express your thoughts.
However, I stand by my main point: No one can convince me that the maltreatment of this president is due to anything else besides the color of his skin.
I won't believe it. I never will. I see it with my own two eyes. I live and work in this city and it's right before my own two eyes. It's there and it's destroying this country.
zeemike
(18,998 posts)And the right wing noise machine got it's start then...that was the heyday of Limbaugh and Fox news, when they pounded away at the anger day after day and poisoned any hope of working together.
But the reason they did not do it with Bush is obvious...they owned the media, and all of this is media driven.
But DU gives me hope...yes we do criticize Obama and that is what makes us right and the right wingers wrong...we are not authoritarians and they are, for it is the authoritarians that will not criticize the leader.
Does his race play a part?...yes it does, but if it would have been Hillery it would have been gender....don't mistake the tool used for the one that uses it.
Liberal_Stalwart71
(20,450 posts)office with an approval rating in the mid-60s, despite Monica.
I agree that Hillary's gender does matter, but why are we comparing injustices here? My discussion was about race. Why are you dismissing this? I am a woman, so obviously I understand the reality of sexism. Again, my post was not about that.
winter is coming
(11,785 posts)There's no doubt that Fox and hate radio are obsessed with the President's ethnicity, but anger isn't coming exclusively from the backwash. Income disparity is the 800lb gorilla in the living room and it's gotten a lot worse since the '08 crash: unemployment is worse, and underemployment is becoming the "new normal". During the Bush II era, we had hope that things would get better after he was finally gone, but that hasn't happened. Race is one of the focal points for the anger, but economic despair is the fuel underneath that fire.
Liberal_Stalwart71
(20,450 posts)Perhaps we view events from different lenses.
Perhaps not ALL these events reflect our attitudes towards race. However, I truly believe that most of the hatred and vitriol, the deliberate attempts to sabotage the economy, the disrespect...most of it--NOT ALL--can be explained by pure racism.
You may not agree and that's fine. I respect your views. But I stand by what I believe and that's not going to change no matter what names or personal insults are hurled at me.
jwirr
(39,215 posts)survival for both sides. The rethugs have the white voters who are afraid of becoming a minority and not having enough money (the 1%ers) to face the coming disasters that the realize are real but that they want to ignore. We Democrats are much the same. Our way of life is threatened by outsourcing and the anti-jobs measures. The balance that FDR put in place is falling to pieces and we are seeing our own survival threatened.
IMO the country is lucky that it is only anger it faces. We could be having a remake of the French revolution.
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)Well done though
Brigid
(17,621 posts)Non-DUers are the ones who really need to be reading this.
Auggie
(31,133 posts)abelenkpe
(9,933 posts)Yet for the last three and a half decades, the middle class has been losing ground. The median wage of male workers is now lower than it was in 1980, adjusted for inflation.
In addition, all the mechanisms weve used over the last three decades to minimize the effects of this descent young mothers streaming into paid work in the late 1970s and 1980s, everyone working longer hours in the 1990s, and then borrowing against the rising values of our homes are now exhausted. And wages are still dropping the median is now 4 percent below what it was at the start of the so-called recovery.
Meanwhile, income, wealth, and power have become more concentrated at the top than theyve been in ninety years.
As a result, many have come to believe that the deck is stacked against them. Importantly, both the Tea Party and the Occupier movements began with the bailouts of Wall Street when both groups concluded that big government and big finance had plotted against the rest of us. The former blamed government; the latter blamed Wall Street.
(more at link)
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The deck is stacked against the working class.
Caeser67
(156 posts)Brigid
(17,621 posts)"Was in the 1920s, which was the last time income, wealth, and power were this concentrated."
And such circumstances never end well.
90-percent
(6,828 posts)OUR INSTITUTIONS ARE INFESTED WITH CORRUPT SOCIOPATHS.
All the mechanisms our society had created to allow opportunity and a level playing field have been purchased outright by corporations.
Americans know "the system" is more unfair than it's been in almost 80 years and they know they are powerless to change it.
An example of modern "taxation without representation" is the gun control debate. Earlier this year, some form of background checks to purchase a gun was favored by the public by over 90%. When 90% of the people in a democracy can't get their elected representation to follow the will of the people, our democracy clearly isn't working as intended.
-90% Jimmy
RC
(25,592 posts)Just what does he think the continuing brouhaha about the NSA is all about, but being and example of a continuing Congressional scandal, because they are doing very little to noting to actually deal with it, to make it fit the Constitution. Making "legal" the unconstitutional. This is far worse than Watergate. We are only steps away from being a full blown dictatorship.
Spitfire of ATJ
(32,723 posts)FarCenter
(19,429 posts)Now entering a period of imperial overreach, military spending excesses, and economic decline.
MisterP
(23,730 posts)there's no alternative for the 70-80% of us who want stronger SS, Medicare, and education, who don't want to be in debt to cheating bankers and putrid HMOs, who don't want perpetual, ever-roving warfare
this vituperativeness is entirely rhetorical and on the ground level, to give the illusion of competition and thus clear choice