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cthulu2016

(10,960 posts)
Wed Aug 14, 2013, 01:32 PM Aug 2013

Why America is so Angry

Well, a big chunk of the nation (60% of white people is a big chunk of the nation) expresses anger that there is a black president and anger at the real or extrapolated decline in their socially preferred status and majority status.

But most of those people are really angry for the same underlying reason everyone else is angry.

Everyone is angry because the American dream, in economic terms, is dead. People do not feel secure. They are fearful, trying to hang onto their standard of living. They do not feel that their lives will improve going forward. They feel their children's lives will be poorer and less secure than their own.

As to how people process that anger... that depends on what attitudes one has.

I am very angry, and thus more of a socialist than I was. I was a socialist and scary times have made me a Socialist(!) My feelings have been intensified.

Republican voters take the phenomenon (the American Dream is a thing of the past) and scapegoat whoever they are inclined to scapegoat. Their nascent racism provides one pathway for their discontent, as does their nascent sense that liberalism (lessening of authoritarianism, rising secularism, reduction of social control and conformity) is responsible for their ills.

Democratic voters take the phenomenon (the American Dream is a thing of the past) and process it as something the Republicans did.

But America, as a whole, is dealing with the fact that the American Dream is dead. (Even if the old American Dream was unsustainable and/or not available to all, whatever it was, it is still dead.)


Economic insecurity and dislocation increase discontent. Social factors, often peculiar to a group of class, dictate what form discontent will take.

Consider that both Communists and Nazis gained votes in Greece when their economy blew up. This is typical... hard times and broken dreams are consistent with polarization. And populism usually has a scapegoat enemy, but that enemy will be whoever the populism-inflamed group is inclined to see as an enemy.

In the Middle Ages they didn't kill the Jews all the time, or even most of the time. Christians would go burn down the Jewish neighborhood whenever something really bad happened. Like the Black Death, for instance. Or a drought or a bad winter or losing a war... whatever amped up negative feeling, one well-trod pathway of expression of anxiety was violence against local jewery.


A lot of people HATED Bill Clinton in 1994. By 1997 people liked Clinton, despite a pretty offensive scandal.

The economy in 1997 was very strong. If the economy in 1997 had ben very weak the majority would have supported the impeachers.

I know this big picture stuff is anathema to the news and opinion industry because it isn't much of a day-to-day story. It is more engaging if the world is driven by singular events, but broad economic trends are often the real driver. Decrease the number of jobs per capita and ultra-nationaism and communism will both become more popular. It is just what happens.

Surely everyone knew when the long American economic arc turned down that there would be effects, including racism and class-ism and regionalism, as well as a decline in faith in capitalism and more people taking a second look at socialism.

Disappointment and anger find different expressions in different groups, but they will be expressed.

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Why America is so Angry (Original Post) cthulu2016 Aug 2013 OP
yup, economic forces underlie a lot of anger and other attitudes. you see this at work. unblock Aug 2013 #1
This message was self-deleted by its author CJCRANE Aug 2013 #2
It's the right issue and it's dangerous. Democrats_win Aug 2013 #3
So well put. cilla4progress Aug 2013 #4
You ain't seen nothing yet pscot Aug 2013 #5
Iraq. We have never owned up to our Illegal and Unnecessary Invasion with its concomitant deaths WinkyDink Aug 2013 #6

unblock

(52,095 posts)
1. yup, economic forces underlie a lot of anger and other attitudes. you see this at work.
Wed Aug 14, 2013, 01:47 PM
Aug 2013

in many companies, if the company is having a great year, everyone is all smiles, people get along, minor brushes get shrugged off, very few inter-personal conflicts, etc.

if the company is having a bad year, those exact same minor brushes turn into "personnel conflict" that management needs to step in and resolve, people are depressed and irritable, etc.


on the economic scale, similarly, few presidents are well-liked during sucky economic times. we like to pretend that the president has enormous sway over the economy, and sure, he has more power than any other individual (save perhaps for the fed chair) but mostly it is the reverse: the economy has enormous sway over the presidency.

carter and the bushes presided over weak economies and reagan and clinton over boom times. guess which ones are the most popular. under obama, the economy has significantly improved relative to the point in time he took office, but the perception is that the economy is still worse than even through most of shrub's time in the white house, in part because the improvement at the aggregate level is highly concentrated. the rich have recovered, but the rest of us, not so much.

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Democrats_win

(6,539 posts)
3. It's the right issue and it's dangerous.
Wed Aug 14, 2013, 01:55 PM
Aug 2013

I've seen the Republican party as angry for 35 years! It's their nature.

They are angry over things that their party has created and they're too stupid to see it. The danger is that this anger will be very useful in getting them elected.

My solution is simple: massive government spending. We've seen it at every level. The neighbor's lawn is getting brown and then they get a new line of credit. All is well! Same with the American malaise of the '70s. Reagan spent like never before. All is well! Democrats and Republicans know the truth. Government spending is the answer. Everyone also knows that the Tea party is the biggest fraud in American history. Government spending! And why not, we print the money!

cilla4progress

(24,703 posts)
4. So well put.
Wed Aug 14, 2013, 02:58 PM
Aug 2013

I also think that climate change has a huge role.

We all know (though some won't admit) that the condition we have put our natural environment into, due to excessive resource-raping, greed, etc., has put our way of life at risk in the short term, and our very survival at risk in the long-term - no - more than at risk - is forever changing and sacrificing them. The poop has overtaken the cage.

So, I guess I am one of those "we are in the last days"* types - despite being a pagan agnostic!

*That's last days in terms of the natural systems we have come to rely on - that we co-evolved with.

 

WinkyDink

(51,311 posts)
6. Iraq. We have never owned up to our Illegal and Unnecessary Invasion with its concomitant deaths
Wed Aug 14, 2013, 03:17 PM
Aug 2013

including suicides back home.

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