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WilliamPitt

(58,179 posts)
Fri Aug 16, 2013, 01:23 PM Aug 2013

If you or anyone you know shops at Forever 21, read this immediately.



From US Uncut:

Retail company Forever 21 sent this letter to all full time/non-management employees informing them that they will be demoted to part time, they and their families will lose their health and dental benefits, and they will no longer qualify for paid time off. Employees believe the company is punishing them to retaliate against Obamacare.

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If you or anyone you know shops at Forever 21, read this immediately. (Original Post) WilliamPitt Aug 2013 OP
Wow....that is seriously messed up... truebrit71 Aug 2013 #1
I posted on my FB page and a RW 'friend' said 'Obamacare effects' I deleted her comment. CurtEastPoint Aug 2013 #2
You're surprised that large retailers would take this action Flatulo Aug 2013 #13
Greatest Page for this very important story. n/t CaliforniaPeggy Aug 2013 #3
"Employees believe the company is punishing them to retaliate against Obamacare." no_hypocrisy Aug 2013 #4
They blame it on Obama care and hope everyone will believe that. Posted to FB. nt kelliekat44 Aug 2013 #38
It so happens there is a Forever 21 overlooking the cable car turnaround in San Francisco KamaAina Aug 2013 #5
Matthew 6:5-6, please. WilliamPitt Aug 2013 #6
Peyton Got A Gift Card For Her 12th Birthday From "21" HangOnKids Aug 2013 #16
christian - fleece the flock in the name of mammon nt msongs Aug 2013 #10
Almost every "Christian" business I know is RW and anti-employeed. nt kelliekat44 Aug 2013 #39
LOL...I don't even know what kind of store it is, I've never seen one... ms liberty Aug 2013 #7
Ivy Tech Community College in Indiana did the same thing kiawah Aug 2013 #8
This is happening every day. NCTraveler Aug 2013 #9
We told them again and again. I posted personal examples. Still non-belief. Safetykitten Aug 2013 #19
K & R !!! WillyT Aug 2013 #11
Get used to it...(i.e. find a way to survive)... jtuck004 Aug 2013 #12
Thanks for posting both charts. I was about to call out on the dubious use of the second chart, but Bernardo de La Paz Aug 2013 #21
Yeah, I kinda had the same thoughts, but together they make more sense. jtuck004 Aug 2013 #24
We need to change our labor laws pronto. Initech Aug 2013 #14
Making examples put the fear of the market into the cold hearts of companies contemplating Bernardo de La Paz Aug 2013 #15
The only people who shop at Forever 21 are MineralMan Aug 2013 #17
it's so sad olddots Aug 2013 #22
Yah, we were, but there were lots more that age at that time who just MineralMan Aug 2013 #23
We knew this would happen. You can't boycott everyone doing it. You will have to grow... Safetykitten Aug 2013 #18
kick Liberal_in_LA Aug 2013 #20
And the bonus, they know that many will not be able to afford COBRA. What a deal! Safetykitten Aug 2013 #25
It's also likely that only a few at any location were even working more than 29.5 hrs SoCalDem Aug 2013 #27
Uh, really don't have a response right now for your post. Just wow. Safetykitten Aug 2013 #30
fixed an obvious typo & posted the ACA chart SoCalDem Aug 2013 #33
Sadly, this is a small wave, the big waves will be coming in the next year, as it will be a tidal Safetykitten Aug 2013 #26
In agreement with all of the above... TinkerTot55 Aug 2013 #28
I mostly buy my clothes at Costco. Warren DeMontague Aug 2013 #29
Never heard of it either. I usually buy clothes at Kohl's. RebelOne Aug 2013 #31
Next time you're in there, ask around for a full time employee. Egalitarian Thug Aug 2013 #44
Forever 21 is not your style, unless you are a cross-dresser. Quantess Aug 2013 #41
Another example of why health care should not depend on employment. MotherPetrie Aug 2013 #32
CORRECT Skittles Aug 2013 #34
Sure. Unless you want people at the complete mercy of their employer for their family's health care. Warren DeMontague Aug 2013 #35
This kind of bullshit could have been avoided with a public option. B Calm Aug 2013 #36
Don't you just love the presumptuous tone? Shankapotomus Aug 2013 #37
This is no longer unusual - lynne Aug 2013 #40
Boycott TomClash Aug 2013 #42
I'd never heard of the place before, but I'll kick this thread anyway. nt. MH1 Aug 2013 #43
Hey Will, there's a Forever 21 at the Arsenal Mall MannyGoldstein Aug 2013 #45
This post is full of BS oberliner Aug 2013 #46

CurtEastPoint

(18,639 posts)
2. I posted on my FB page and a RW 'friend' said 'Obamacare effects' I deleted her comment.
Fri Aug 16, 2013, 01:33 PM
Aug 2013

Bullshit blaming ACA for this. Simple greed.

 

Flatulo

(5,005 posts)
13. You're surprised that large retailers would take this action
Fri Aug 16, 2013, 03:41 PM
Aug 2013

as a response to the ACA? I recall dozens, if not hundreds of posts predicting this exact outcome.

no_hypocrisy

(46,081 posts)
4. "Employees believe the company is punishing them to retaliate against Obamacare."
Fri Aug 16, 2013, 01:34 PM
Aug 2013

It won't work. Employees are pissed at their employer, not Obamacare and they don't likely believe that their healthcare and paid sick days will return if Obamacare were repealed. It's gone, forever gone.

 

KamaAina

(78,249 posts)
5. It so happens there is a Forever 21 overlooking the cable car turnaround in San Francisco
Fri Aug 16, 2013, 01:35 PM
Aug 2013

I couldn't think of a better site for direct action.

Also, Forever 21 proudly bills itself as a Christian company. It must be true, 'cause they put "John 3:16" on their bags. Never mind Whose Benefits Would Jesus Cut?

 

WilliamPitt

(58,179 posts)
6. Matthew 6:5-6, please.
Fri Aug 16, 2013, 01:37 PM
Aug 2013

"And when you pray, do not be like the hypocrites, for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and on the street corners to be seen by others. Truly I tell you, they have received their reward in full. But when you pray, go into your room, close the door and pray to your Father, who is unseen. Then your Father, who sees what is done in secret, will reward you."

 

HangOnKids

(4,291 posts)
16. Peyton Got A Gift Card For Her 12th Birthday From "21"
Fri Aug 16, 2013, 03:42 PM
Aug 2013

The store we went to was filthy and most of the clothes looked they were from "Sluts are Us." She bought 25 plain tees from the sale rack and we took them to Glide Memorial as a donation.

ms liberty

(8,572 posts)
7. LOL...I don't even know what kind of store it is, I've never seen one...
Fri Aug 16, 2013, 01:46 PM
Aug 2013

Mainly because I live way out in the BFE. It sounds like some dress shop for "mature women" to buy clothes that are way too young for them to actually be wearing in public - and since I quit dressing like that when I became a forty-something (some time ago now) I wouldn't go there anyway. The name alone is too cute by half for me, so it will be an easy boycott for me to join!

 

kiawah

(64 posts)
8. Ivy Tech Community College in Indiana did the same thing
Fri Aug 16, 2013, 02:19 PM
Aug 2013

They are the largest community college system in the U.S. They are cutting the hours of their adjunct faculty so that they do not have to pay for health care. They basically came right out and said they were doing it because of the ACA.

 

NCTraveler

(30,481 posts)
9. This is happening every day.
Fri Aug 16, 2013, 02:23 PM
Aug 2013

People on this very board saw it coming from the beginning. I am not sure why there is any "shock" that many companies are doing this.

 

jtuck004

(15,882 posts)
12. Get used to it...(i.e. find a way to survive)...
Fri Aug 16, 2013, 03:33 PM
Aug 2013

Last edited Fri Aug 16, 2013, 04:15 PM - Edit history (1)

Third time in history part-time jobs are exceeding full-time, but it's the largest. Economics and the trend suggests that it may last for another decade or two, at a minimum.




...since the December 2007 start of the depression, full time jobs have declined by 6.9 million while part-time jobs have increased by 3.1 million.
Here.


Bernardo de La Paz

(48,997 posts)
21. Thanks for posting both charts. I was about to call out on the dubious use of the second chart, but
Fri Aug 16, 2013, 03:51 PM
Aug 2013

Thanks for posting both charts. I was about to call out on the dubious use of the second chart, but then I saw the first one (same data set) and the context is perfectly placed. Together they work much better than either one alone.

The second chart of course suffers from the "stealth interrupted axis" defect, but the first chart shows it in context and all is good.

Thanks.

 

jtuck004

(15,882 posts)
24. Yeah, I kinda had the same thoughts, but together they make more sense.
Fri Aug 16, 2013, 03:55 PM
Aug 2013

I might wear them both at Halloween - it oughta scare the crap outa people who think we are recovering...

Initech

(100,063 posts)
14. We need to change our labor laws pronto.
Fri Aug 16, 2013, 03:41 PM
Aug 2013

A boycott of just one company isn't going to cut it. We're a first world country with third world labor laws, and our health care expenses dwarf the next 40 countries combined. Our workers get treated like absolute shit and one thing that comes along to benefit gets torn down (well, 40+ attempts, anyway ) by those in power, and it needs to be dealt with. Of course our chicken shit teabagger Congress will not cooperate.

Bernardo de La Paz

(48,997 posts)
15. Making examples put the fear of the market into the cold hearts of companies contemplating
Fri Aug 16, 2013, 03:42 PM
Aug 2013

Making examples of companies by boycotting when these egregious actions arise will put the fear of the market into the cold hearts of companies contemplating similar actions and save many workers jobs and benefits.

MineralMan

(146,286 posts)
17. The only people who shop at Forever 21 are
Fri Aug 16, 2013, 03:42 PM
Aug 2013

skinny teens and 20-somethings who don't mind cheap sweatshop clothing that falls apart after two wearings. They don't do boycotts. They don't read. They don't think. They just shop.

Sad but true.

MineralMan

(146,286 posts)
23. Yah, we were, but there were lots more that age at that time who just
Fri Aug 16, 2013, 03:54 PM
Aug 2013

looked at us blankly and went shopping. We always were a minority, really.

 

Safetykitten

(5,162 posts)
18. We knew this would happen. You can't boycott everyone doing it. You will have to grow...
Fri Aug 16, 2013, 03:44 PM
Aug 2013

your own food. The law needs changing. We have to bat cleanup for the devotees of this HC disaster.

SoCalDem

(103,856 posts)
27. It's also likely that only a few at any location were even working more than 29.5 hrs
Fri Aug 16, 2013, 04:21 PM
Aug 2013

per week.

The business model for the Mall/Big Box economy is precisely that.. 20-25 hrs per week (keep 'em hungry for hours, so they'll come in at a moment's notice).

If you schedule someone six 4's, they will almost always come in early,stay late, but if you give them three 8's, they will find an extra job to fill their days off.

These companies hire lots of people who make so little that most cannot afford to buy into the insurance even if they are eligible.. They have little or no interest in the welfare of their employees, since they are all infinitely replaceable.

This company has actually done their employees a favor. If the employees are relatively young (as I suspect most are at this chain), the will fit the heavily subsidized plans soon to be available to them. At $10 an hour, their gross is only $295 a week to start with & after taxes, they now may pay even less than what F21 was "offering" some of them.

 

Safetykitten

(5,162 posts)
26. Sadly, this is a small wave, the big waves will be coming in the next year, as it will be a tidal
Fri Aug 16, 2013, 04:07 PM
Aug 2013

wave of this. Boycotts will not work, nor anything else as the amount of companies will overwhelm any action.

Only changing the law. That is the only solution.

TinkerTot55

(198 posts)
28. In agreement with all of the above...
Fri Aug 16, 2013, 04:23 PM
Aug 2013

...plus would add: all cuts are for "non-management."

So, the actual staff who deal with customers are being shafted, but there are no plans to cut management, who probably will continue with their higher pay and full benefits.

My teenage daughters shopped there...but no more.
Our family will boycott them.

 

Egalitarian Thug

(12,448 posts)
44. Next time you're in there, ask around for a full time employee.
Sat Aug 17, 2013, 09:56 AM
Aug 2013

When they opened in Portland, they were very open about there being no full-time positions.

Quantess

(27,630 posts)
41. Forever 21 is not your style, unless you are a cross-dresser.
Sat Aug 17, 2013, 07:37 AM
Aug 2013

Their angle is trendy clothing for young women, at super cheap prices.

I remember a "Bad Girls" reality show participant said that she likes to shop at Forever21 for something cute & trendy, then go out for a wild night on the town, and get wasted. She doesn't care if her outfit gets trashed because it didn't cost her very much.

Warren DeMontague

(80,708 posts)
35. Sure. Unless you want people at the complete mercy of their employer for their family's health care.
Sat Aug 17, 2013, 04:35 AM
Aug 2013

but who would want that?

Shankapotomus

(4,840 posts)
37. Don't you just love the presumptuous tone?
Sat Aug 17, 2013, 06:59 AM
Aug 2013

They've already concluded that their employees WILL be hanging around for this crap. Oh, really now?

lynne

(3,118 posts)
40. This is no longer unusual -
Sat Aug 17, 2013, 07:20 AM
Aug 2013

- my own part-time hours were capped at 29 per week so as to avoid being eligible for health insurance. People are now working 2 and 3 part time jobs as there are few to none full time jobs available and they still get no insurance.

Part time jobs with no benefits will continue until the law changes.



TomClash

(11,344 posts)
42. Boycott
Sat Aug 17, 2013, 07:45 AM
Aug 2013

This is why there are UNIONS. This doesn't happen if you have a right to strike, a right to bargain collectively, a right to file grievances.

 

MannyGoldstein

(34,589 posts)
45. Hey Will, there's a Forever 21 at the Arsenal Mall
Sat Aug 17, 2013, 12:00 PM
Aug 2013

Last edited Sat Aug 17, 2013, 01:31 PM - Edit history (1)

How about you and I set up a picket or leafleting or something? I'd expect it would cause some pain for them.

 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
46. This post is full of BS
Sat Aug 17, 2013, 12:08 PM
Aug 2013

The letter was not sent to all full time/non-management employees.

The cuts affect less than 1% of of all U.S. store employees.

Around 300 out of over 30,000.

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