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kentuck

(111,079 posts)
Fri Aug 16, 2013, 06:37 PM Aug 2013

President Obama is sitting on the horns of a dilemma.

The NSA debate is a no-win for the President.

If he acknowledges there are problems within the NSA and intelligence organizations, there is the likelihood that the story will explode into a full-blown scandal.

If they ignore it or attempt to minimize it, it could drip-drip-drip until it forces the political opposition to ask for an investigation.

If the latter were to happen, it could distract the American voters from everything else with an upcoming election. With the blame and finger-pointing all directed at the White House, it could help the right-wing extremists take over the Senate and further neutralize the Obama agenda. It could be a devastating blow for our Party and our country.

So, the President is sitting in a very precarious position. What should he do? Perhaps fire Clapper and Alexander and try to get the story behind him? Or just continue paddling the boat down the river of denial? There may be less time to make a decision than we realize?

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President Obama is sitting on the horns of a dilemma. (Original Post) kentuck Aug 2013 OP
Throw the bum out and vote for Warren/Sanders. It's too late for Obama Fire Walk With Me Aug 2013 #1
Sounds like youre advocating for impeachment... bunnies Aug 2013 #3
He and all involved are blatantly unConstitutional and deserve indefinite detention with neither Fire Walk With Me Aug 2013 #6
I appreciate your honesty. nt bunnies Aug 2013 #9
I'm not here to be popular (obviously). I voted for Obama, then he went way off the charts Fire Walk With Me Aug 2013 #12
You think Obama deserves to be detained? Cali_Democrat Aug 2013 #13
How do you propose throwing Obama out? Cali_Democrat Aug 2013 #7
I still have a fear that the President has a proverbial gun to his head... Cooley Hurd Aug 2013 #2
Then he is a coward and worthless to the citizens of this country. Manning and Snowden are Fire Walk With Me Aug 2013 #8
Self-preservation, and the preservation of one's family is not cowardly. Cooley Hurd Aug 2013 #11
I don't see this as a partisan issue. BlueCheese Aug 2013 #4
The plan appears to be "Speak loudly and carry a soft stick." DirkGently Aug 2013 #5
No, he's sitting on a lawn chair vacationing leftstreet Aug 2013 #10
I think we need an investigation. Autumn Aug 2013 #14
I agree. nt Demo_Chris Aug 2013 #22
Appoint an independent special prosecuter to investigate the NSA/CIA/et al with full powers. Tierra_y_Libertad Aug 2013 #15
^^^^THIS^^^^^ Autumn Aug 2013 #19
He put himself in this pickle Hydra Aug 2013 #16
Pretend to fix it with some symbolic tinkering NoOneMan Aug 2013 #17
I concur. nt bemildred Aug 2013 #18
If he cared he'd be ALL OVER THIS...Fire Clapper, Alexander...and get Holder KoKo Aug 2013 #20
he should command the high road and become the public face of opposition... mike_c Aug 2013 #21
 

Fire Walk With Me

(38,893 posts)
1. Throw the bum out and vote for Warren/Sanders. It's too late for Obama
Fri Aug 16, 2013, 06:39 PM
Aug 2013

but presenting a positive choice NOW would go a long way with the American people. Obama is far too complicit with the NSA and surveillance state to survive, and this is as it should be. Such monstrosity must be eliminated no matter which party is in office supporting it.

 

Fire Walk With Me

(38,893 posts)
6. He and all involved are blatantly unConstitutional and deserve indefinite detention with neither
Fri Aug 16, 2013, 06:45 PM
Aug 2013

trial nor representation, just like the NDAA section 1021 Obama twice signed, and then sent lawyers to reinstate after Chris Hedges et al. sued him over it and got it struck down as unConstitutional (which it is). Doesn't this destroy the 4th and 6th Amendments in a single blow? From a Constitutional scholar?

Good for the goose, good for the gander. You DO have a problem with the blatantly illegal long-term surveillance of US citizens, yes?

 

Fire Walk With Me

(38,893 posts)
12. I'm not here to be popular (obviously). I voted for Obama, then he went way off the charts
Fri Aug 16, 2013, 06:49 PM
Aug 2013

on these matters and more. I value the Constitution and the founding principles of this country, and will call bullshit on ANYONE who attacks them.

 

Cooley Hurd

(26,877 posts)
2. I still have a fear that the President has a proverbial gun to his head...
Fri Aug 16, 2013, 06:40 PM
Aug 2013

...and that he cannot do otherwise for fear that he could "go the way of JFK" if he deviates from the script (i.e. the NSA/CIA has been threatening him). I just don't think he's the Authoritarian type. Call it a "vibe".

 

Fire Walk With Me

(38,893 posts)
8. Then he is a coward and worthless to the citizens of this country. Manning and Snowden are
Fri Aug 16, 2013, 06:46 PM
Aug 2013

heroes in comparison.

 

Cooley Hurd

(26,877 posts)
11. Self-preservation, and the preservation of one's family is not cowardly.
Fri Aug 16, 2013, 06:48 PM
Aug 2013

Manning and Snowden are both to be commended for coming forth, but they aren't surrounded by a bunch of guys with guns on a 24/7 basis.

On edit, Manning certainly is, come to think about it.

BlueCheese

(2,522 posts)
4. I don't see this as a partisan issue.
Fri Aug 16, 2013, 06:42 PM
Aug 2013

Most Republican leaders sound quite happy with what the NSA is doing. Some more libertarian-minded ones are against, but didn't the Amash-Conyers amendment get more votes from Democrats than Republicans?

leftstreet

(36,106 posts)
10. No, he's sitting on a lawn chair vacationing
Fri Aug 16, 2013, 06:47 PM
Aug 2013

He needs to A) stop talking B) charge Clapper with perjury

He needs to STOP making statements and START making it at least look like he's taking action

 

Tierra_y_Libertad

(50,414 posts)
15. Appoint an independent special prosecuter to investigate the NSA/CIA/et al with full powers.
Fri Aug 16, 2013, 07:00 PM
Aug 2013

So far, they've muddied the waters so thoroughly that what's needed is someone(s) who can get past all the whimpers of "National Security", congressional CYA, and past the lies, to get at the truth.

Or, a lot more whistle blowers to open the windows and turn on the lights.

Hydra

(14,459 posts)
16. He put himself in this pickle
Fri Aug 16, 2013, 07:02 PM
Aug 2013

He managed to look innocent until he decided to back Clapper and the NSA without reservation.

Before that, he could have sacrificed Clapper and then said he was going to clean house. That would have fixed it, even if the clean up was faked.

KoKo

(84,711 posts)
20. If he cared he'd be ALL OVER THIS...Fire Clapper, Alexander...and get Holder
Fri Aug 16, 2013, 07:14 PM
Aug 2013

out there finding out who stopped the NSA AUDIT from getting to the Senate Intelligence Committee and he'd get this STUFF CLEANED UP on EXECUTIVE ORDER.

Instead "PBO" is acting similar to NIXON who had John Mitchell (sychophant) as his Attorney General...and the Damned thing played out for months ...and Nixon was Eventually Impeached...but, never served time (Like the Wall Street Crooks) and the Broom swept clean and he was "Outta There."

PBO should have read more HISTORY when he was in College and at Harvard getting his Law Degree. He seems to not have a sense of what Presidents went through before him.

That's worrysome. Particularly since what he's involved in SMACKS of NIXON with this Sychophant Attorney General...John Mitchell.

Don't want to live through that horror again. Obama needs to "GET HIS ACT TOGETHER" or he will put America through a HORROR that NONE of us EVER WANT TO SEE AGAIN!

mike_c

(36,281 posts)
21. he should command the high road and become the public face of opposition...
Fri Aug 16, 2013, 07:35 PM
Aug 2013

...to the NSA and the "war on terrorism." He should work hard and very transparently to dismantle the security state. THAT is how he could turn this into a win.

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