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Rand Paul: Any attack on Israel will be treated as an attack on the United States
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022472458
Disappointing those who 'stand with Rand'
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022742805
Keep this on hand. The Rand Paul "could win" arguments will be as pervasive as the claims about Ron Paul.
Dawson Leery
(19,348 posts)Rex
(65,616 posts)Drones turning criminals into paste in front of the 7-11? In front of the family stopping off for a cold drink? Nah, not them either really.
"Danny, that was a bad guy exploding in front of you so it is okay and all American - now let's go get a soda!"
hlthe2b
(101,730 posts)equate to unequivocal support for Snowden, Greenwald, or even Weyden, Udall and the Guardian.
And it certainly does not equate to support of any degree at all, for Rand Paul (or Daddy Ron).
I, for one am really tired of thinly veiled efforts to conflate these and I know damned well, that I am not alone.
awoke_in_2003
(34,582 posts)We are supposed to be better than that. I disagree with the surveillance culture, but don't worship Snowden. I think we should stop meddling in the rest of the world, but I am not a Paulbot.
arcane1
(38,613 posts)No matter what I say, no matter which "side" I take, there will be a barrage of name-calling waiting for me.
Just like suspicion towards Greenwald and Snowden's motives does not equate support for a surveillance state either. I guess we can agree on that.
NuclearDem
(16,184 posts)But knowing Rand Paul is an asshole sure set me to right!
BumRushDaShow
(127,312 posts)What a twisted world he lives in.
Union Scribe
(7,099 posts)And, well, we know what he thinks about killing U.S. citizens.
Maybe you should have picked different issues?
NuclearDem
(16,184 posts)DevonRex
(22,541 posts)ProSense
(116,464 posts)"Maybe you should have picked different issues?"
No, that issue is ideal. Did you watch the clip and hear his views on foreign aid and Iraeli settlements?
I mean, fans like to claim Rand and his father are anti-war.
The drone thing is classic.
Union Scribe
(7,099 posts)If so, you're opposing the President. If not, you agree with the Pauls, and are by your own logic a Paul "fan". You really do like painting yourself into corners don't you?
ProSense
(116,464 posts)I don't. Do you?
Did you: Stand With Rand?
cherokeeprogressive
(24,853 posts)DevonRex
(22,541 posts)which he is not. But some people like to push that meme here. And you'd better believe it that if Israel were attacked and Rand Paul were president he'd have NSA running at full capacity and then some.
People who don't understand that are simply way out of their depth on this topic. Most don't even know who the main players are and what the best and worst outcomes are for them.
DevonRex
(22,541 posts)Just in case you missed it tonight, here it is:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=3474610
And that's why ProSense posted Rand Paul's words. He's NOT anti-war, as some like to say here on DU.
Union Scribe
(7,099 posts)because that one didn't say anything about Rand Paul being anti-war. It talked about "Ron Paul types"--that is, populist libertarians who sometimes, embarrassingly, have better stances on issues than Dem leadership does.
And no, Rand Paul isn't anti-war. He's pro-drone. Just like Obama.
DevonRex
(22,541 posts)The entire kerfuffle has been about people not wanting to be associated with Rand Paul. I'd say it was trying to be a bit too clever by half, using the phrase Ron Paul types instead of what was meant - Libertarians, period.
Well, Libertarians are NOT liberals. Not by any stretch of the imagination. I don't care what adjective you throw in front of the word. Populist? That's just a silly attempt to distract and deflect. Libertarians are RW.
Tarheel_Dem
(31,211 posts)I have absolutely no respect for Ms. Benjamin and her ilk.
Cha
(295,925 posts)According to stupid.
thanks PS
uponit7771
(90,225 posts)...of having the 4th when the 15th is under attack!?
I'd be screaming about votes etc that the GOP is marginalizing
Have 1 - 2 more million dems vote than kkkons but the house still stays kkkon!?
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ProSense
(116,464 posts)Savannahmann
(3,891 posts)Isn't that a little childish?
ProSense
(116,464 posts)"Kicking your own thread? Isn't that a little childish?"
...no.
Pretending this is an issue is, though.
Despite that, thanks for kicking the thread.
bunnies
(15,859 posts)greatauntoftriplets
(175,698 posts)(who said it about Daddy Paul) Fuck Rand Paul!
mstinamotorcity2
(1,451 posts)without the Jack.